Arrest Bush and Blair right now.

[loco12]

With the hanging of Saddam, its time now to go after two more war criminals, Bush and Blair, who have done far more murders than Saddam ever did.


saddam was hanged for the murder of several hundred vilagers.

So far in this illegal war, Bush and Blair have killed over 600,000 Iraqis. Over half a million innocents, becaue Bush wanted revenge.

Whats it like in the USA to be ruled by a man no better than Hitler?

I can tell you what its like under Blair. Fucking crap and the guy should be locked up and the key thrown away. He wanted to go down in history as a great. He goes down as a total toss pot, and an embarissment to the UK. Get the fucker out.

Saddam Hussien was a bad man. Of that there is no doubt. But a kangeroo puppet court, put in place by Bush and Blair, acted in a way no better than Saddam in the first place. It was an illegal war, and an illegal murder.

Hypocrisy rules in the US and UK. And as a citizen of the UK, this moring I am totally ashamed to be a Brit.

[maxcarter101]

K thanks for the rant. Bye.

[cyber_ninja]

Originally Posted by loco12

Whats it like in the USA to be ruled by a man no better than Hitler?

we dont get "ruled" here

[bizman2960]

Originally Posted by loco12

Whats it like in the USA to be ruled by a man no better than Hitler?

Bush is nothing like Hitler. Bush L-O-V-E-S Jews!!!!

[the Shemp]

the difference between a war criminal and a hero ?
depends which side won....

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

Originally Posted by the Shemp

the difference between a war criminal and a hero ?
depends which side won....

so so true.

[Adultnet]

Originally Posted by the Shemp

the difference between a war criminal and a hero ?
depends which side won....

You see mostly a war criminal is some one who did crimes against humanity on propose and its not an easy task to define this but in sadam's case you are talking about some one who did order killing of his own people in masses so its a pretty simple to understand that this person did crimes against humanity and his own people. Crimes for which he was judged and received his punishment according to the rules at his own country.

[CC]

Oh lord...

[Vigilante]

Crimes for which he was judged and received his punishment according to the rules at his own country.

... AFTER the glorious USA brought them the "right" rules and justice

[Michaelious]

Yeah lets see them hang too

[Scootermuze]

Originally Posted by loco12

..................
saddam was hanged for the murder of several hundred vilagers.
................

Several hundred? How 'bout well over a million.. possibly 2 million+..

But I agree about Bush war crimes... and I have a feeling someone will try to pursue it in the near future...

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Scootermuze

Several hundred? How 'bout well over a million.. possibly 2 million+..

My god, that number grows every day ....

Then, Americans killed many millions of Vietnamese in the 60's-70's ....

[ronbotx]

Originally Posted by loco12

With the hanging of Saddam, its time now to go after two more war criminals, Bush and Blair, who have done far more murders than Saddam ever did.


saddam was hanged for the murder of several hundred vilagers.

So far in this illegal war, Bush and Blair have killed over 600,000 Iraqis. Over half a million innocents, becaue Bush wanted revenge.

Whats it like in the USA to be ruled by a man no better than Hitler?

I can tell you what its like under Blair. Fucking crap and the guy should be locked up and the key thrown away. He wanted to go down in history as a great. He goes down as a total toss pot, and an embarissment to the UK. Get the fucker out.

Saddam Hussien was a bad man. Of that there is no doubt. But a kangeroo puppet court, put in place by Bush and Blair, acted in a way no better than Saddam in the first place. It was an illegal war, and an illegal murder.

Hypocrisy rules in the US and UK. And as a citizen of the UK, this moring I am totally ashamed to be a Brit.

Why don't you take this crap to the Democratric Underground. All the "terrorist cheerleaders" and "blame America first crowd" are crying over Saddam's death at their website.

Personally I'm happy that this douchebag, who is responsible for hundreds of thousands deaths, many by cruel and tortuous methods, is D-E-A-D....

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by loco12

With the hanging of Saddam, its time now to go after two more war criminals, Bush and Blair, who have done far more murders than Saddam ever did.


saddam was hanged for the murder of several hundred vilagers.

So far in this illegal war, Bush and Blair have killed over 600,000 Iraqis. Over half a million innocents, becaue Bush wanted revenge.

Whats it like in the USA to be ruled by a man no better than Hitler?

I can tell you what its like under Blair. Fucking crap and the guy should be locked up and the key thrown away. He wanted to go down in history as a great. He goes down as a total toss pot, and an embarissment to the UK. Get the fucker out.

Saddam Hussien was a bad man. Of that there is no doubt. But a kangeroo puppet court, put in place by Bush and Blair, acted in a way no better than Saddam in the first place. It was an illegal war, and an illegal murder.

Hypocrisy rules in the US and UK. And as a citizen of the UK, this moring I am totally ashamed to be a Brit.

You guys are making me sick to my my stomach by forcing me to defend Bush. I didn't vote for him already.

- Bush doesn't arrest anyone who speaks against him and then kills them. I wonder how many people "disappeared" during Saddam's 35 year rule of Iraq.
- Bush didn't start a pointless eight year war against Iran which resulted in billions of dollars in debt, a million deaths, only to end up in a draw. Saddam did.
- Bush didn't invade a smaller country unable to defend itself, Bush didn't kill all the men of military age in this smaller country, didn't loot it, rape it's women, or set fire to 600 oil wells. Saddam and his army had a blast in Kuwait, no?
- Bush didn't drop chemical weapons on Vermont killing thousands. How many Kurds did Saddam kill?
- Bush didn't surrender, fail to obey any of the terms of the surrender, and doesn't fire missiles at Canandian war planes on a daily basis. Saddam did all of this.

Jesus Christ people. Saddam came to power and on the very first day had 180 people executed. Imagine if Bush walked into Congress on his first day and selected 180 Congressmen, called them traitors, and had them killed?

[emthree]

Hang Him!

[r34lg33k]

well said Rochard

[Minte]

Originally Posted by Rochard

You guys are making me sick to my my stomach by forcing me to defend Bush. I didn't vote for him already.

- Bush doesn't arrest anyone who speaks against him and then kills them. I wonder how many people "disappeared" during Saddam's 35 year rule of Iraq.
- Bush didn't start a pointless eight year war against Iran which resulted in billions of dollars in debt, a million deaths, only to end up in a draw. Saddam did.
- Bush didn't invade a smaller country unable to defend itself, Bush didn't kill all the men of military age in this smaller country, didn't loot it, rape it's women, or set fire to 600 oil wells. Saddam and his army had a blast in Kuwait, no?
- Bush didn't drop chemical weapons on Vermont killing thousands. How many Kurds did Saddam kill?
- Bush didn't surrender, fail to obey any of the terms of the surrender, and doesn't fire missiles at Canandian war planes on a daily basis. Saddam did all of this.

Jesus Christ people. Saddam came to power and on the very first day had 180 people executed. Imagine if Bush walked into Congress on his first day and selected 180 Congressmen, called them traitors, and had them killed?

The conservative estimate at how many people died from non natural causes during Saddam's 30+ years of dictatorship is close to 2 million.

[interracialtoons]

Originally Posted by Adultnet

in sadam's case you are talking about some one who did order killing of his own people in masses

And so did Abraham lincoln...maybe it needed to be done.

[interracialtoons]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Saddam came to power and on the very first day had 180 people executed.

Are you claiming that none of the 180 people deserved to executed?

Is there a possibility that Sadam killed 180 totaly fucked up people that the likes of have never existed in the United States and we therefore could never imagine our governmant having to do such a thing?

Not saying it's true, but where is the proof that these people deserved to live. If Sadam deserved to die then maybe other people do also.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by interracialtoons

Are you claiming that none of the 180 people deserved to executed?

Is there a possibility that Sadam killed 180 totaly fucked up people that the likes of have never existed in the United States and we therefore could never imagine our governmant having to do such a thing?

Not saying it's true, but where is the proof that these people deserved to live. If Sadam deserved to die then maybe other people do also.

They were Shiites, trying o breakup and join Iran, their ennemy.
To occidentals, the killings may seem harsch, but to them it is usual...

BTW, how many women, children and men did the US gov kill in Waco, because of exactly what ?

[Lykos]

i agree on that,bush and bler should get the same.

[RawAlex]

The "600,000 iraqis" number always makes me laugh. It is one of those numbers tossed out there with little or no hope of verification, and with really little basis in fact.

At this point, almost all of the deaths in Iraq in the last 3 years have been Iraqi on Iraqi. The US and british forces didn't kill 600,000 people invading Iraq, but rather, large numbers of people (including about 100 today alone) have been killed by car bombs, suicide bombings, and other violence by Iraqis against Iraqis.

Loco12, you really need to get your news and information from somewhere else, because people are lying to ya!

[Splum]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

They were Shiites, trying o breakup and join Iran, their ennemy. To occidentals, the killings may seem harsch, but to them it is usual... BTW, how many women, children and men did the US gov kill in Waco, because of exactly what ?

76 men, women and children died in the Waco siege that President Bill Clinton and Attorney General Janet Reno ordered.

It isnt just Bush thats evil in this country, we are all evil stay the fuck away from us. kthxbye.

[needlive]

Rochard you have some points for it...still not saying you're absolutely right

[Webby]

Originally Posted by Lykos

i agree on that,bush and bler should get the same.

Any leader who takes his nation into a war based on lies and deceit and engages in mass bombings/killings of innocent people, not forgetting their own forces - needs to be accountable for their actions. Lies as a defense don't work.

It is also reasonable to have financial reparation of all damages caused - that includes medical care of generations who will suffer (and are suffering) thru the use of depleted uranium which will exist long after any occupying forces have gone.

To dream of just hanging those responsible for that level of suffering and death is not even remotely just. No penalty could be high enough.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Webby

Any leader who takes his nation into a war based on lies and deceit and engages in mass bombings/killings of innocent people, not forgetting their own forces - needs to be accountable for their actions. Lies as a defense don't work.

You are blaming America for mass bombings and killing of civilians in Iraq? Are you fucking serious? Also your point about "lies and deceit" hold no water as Iraq violated over 19 UN resolutions over a period of ten years and violated the US-Iraq ceasefire agreement of 1991 over 12 times. STFU with your misinformation.

[Rhino22]

I completly agree

[PMdave]

Originally Posted by Scootermuze

Several hundred? How 'bout well over a million.. possibly 2 million+..

But I agree about Bush war crimes... and I have a feeling someone will try to pursue it in the near future...

He was hanged fo the death of 150. The other 1999850 he never recieved a trial for. In the end he may have killed 2 million but his sentence was only for 150. Since we all believe in a fair justice system where you are innocent untill a judge and/or jury find you guilty, he officially killed 'only' 150 up to now.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by Splum

You are blaming America for mass bombings and killing of civilians in Iraq? Are you fucking serious? Also your point about "lies and deceit" hold no water as Iraq violated over 19 UN resolutions over a period of ten years and violated the US-Iraq ceasefire agreement of 1991 over 12 times. STFU with your misinformation.

Stupid assumptions from a retard don't count either.

Get your facts straight - the US was never granted any "rights" to invade any other nation. The US freely elected to invade Iraq - and then engaged on what was declared proudly as "shock and awe" and is responsible for that action.

Note: Iraq is not the first occasion the US engaged in a war based on contrived incentives - but, you prob chose to ignore that.

Like all nations, the US is responsible for their actions. So far the track record of the US in it's "wars" is below the level of swamplife.

What exactly was your point??

[PMdave]

Originally Posted by Splum

You are blaming America for mass bombings and killing of civilians in Iraq? Are you fucking serious? Also your point about "lies and deceit" hold no water as Iraq violated over 19 UN resolutions over a period of ten years and violated the US-Iraq ceasefire agreement of 1991 over 12 times. STFU with your misinformation.

Strange how you refer to UN resolutions and yet defend the war. The UN never approved the ivasion in Iraq.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by PMdave

Strange how you refer to UN resolutions and yet defend the war. The UN never approved the ivasion in Iraq.

I'm surprised the UN has not been an excuse to blame for the Iraq invasion

All other excuses have since been found to have no foundation....

[Splum]

Originally Posted by PMdave

Strange how you refer to UN resolutions and yet defend the war. The UN never approved the ivasion in Iraq.

The United States did not need "permission" to further invade Iraq. Iraq had violated the US-Iraq ceasefire of 1991, but even the UN agreed there would be serious consequences for Iraqs continuing violation of UN resolutions. Even the document all you US-haters champion states this quite clearly.

UN resolution 1441 http://www.un.int/usa/sres-iraq.htm

Recalls, in that context, that the Council has repeatedly warned Iraq that it will face serious consequences as a result of its continued violations of its obligations;

[PMdave]

Originally Posted by Splum

The United States did not need "permission" to further invade Iraq. Iraq had violated the US-Iraq ceasefire of 1991, but even the UN agreed there would be serious consequences for Iraqs continuing violation of UN resolutions. Even the document all you US-haters champion states this quite clearly.

UN resolution 1441 http://www.un.int/usa/sres-iraq.htm

free translation; "we don't need the UN but will use it when it fits us."

[Webby]

Originally Posted by Splum

The United States did not need "permission" to further invade Iraq. Iraq had violated the US-Iraq ceasefire of 1991, but even the UN agreed there would be serious consequences for Iraqs continuing violation of UN resolutions. Even the document all you US-haters champion states this quite clearly.

Pulling out the ceasefire excuse now??

Gawd - you are so full of fucking excuses, you would try and justify whoring your grandmother.

I'll repeat - The US is totally responsible for it's own actions - the same as any other nation.

So far, it has engaged in serveral contrived wars, responsible for assassinations of other democratically elected leaders, funded and trained dictators of oppressive regimes, trained the military of oppressive regimes in torture techniques, bribing the electoral system of other democracies, blah blah - the list is endless. All these actions happened in the last few decades and the effects of them still exist today.

You should be really proud that your nation has been a blot on the landscape of the planet for decades as the world's main arms trader, and, if not top of the list, at least has a good placement on the list of terror and torture states.

The US govt is a fucking disgrace to the human species.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Webby

The US govt is a fucking disgrace to the human species.

...and the single most powerful modern nation this world has ever known. Dont hate the player hate the game.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by PMdave

free translation; "we don't need the UN but will use it when it fits us."

Exactly, isnt that the way the world treats the USA?

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Splum

76 men, women and children died in the Waco siege that President Bill Clinton and Attorney General Janet Reno ordered.

It isnt just Bush thats evil in this country, we are all evil stay the fuck away from us. kthxbye.

Did I ever say it was Bush ? If so please quote... You are defending him like a good loyalist, even when not attacked... Good boy

I said : " US gov " ... The one of Bush is not the first gov of USA or did I miss something....

and let me correct you on the total of deads:

The FBI took the place of the ATF and returned on April 19, lobbing tear gas and bulldozing into the building. Suddenly, a fire consumed it. Eighty-nine people were killed, including Koresh and the children."

http://www.counterpunch.org/leon06052003.html

[Splum]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Did I ever say it was Bush ? If so please quote... You are defending him like a good loyalist, even when not attacked... Good boy I said : " US gov " ... The one of Bush is not the first gov of USA or did I miss something....

Yes it is a well known fact that you hate America.

Originally Posted by directfiesta

and let me correct you on the total of deads:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_Siege

On February 28, 1993, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) raided the Branch Davidian ranch at Mount Carmel, a property located 9 miles east-northeast of Waco, Texas. The raid resulted in the deaths of four agents and six Davidians. The subsequent 51-day siege by the FBI ended on April 19 when fire completely consumed the complex, killing 76 people, including 21 children and Davidian leader David Koresh

[PMdave]

Originally Posted by Splum

Exactly, isnt that the way the world treats the USA?

countdown till "if it wasn't for the usa whole Europe would be speaking german now...": 10 - 9 - 8 - 7 - 6 - ....

[PMdave]

Originally Posted by Splum

Yes it is a well known fact that you hate America.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_Siege

You really can't see the difference between dissagreeing on a (foreign) policy and hating a whole nation?

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Splum

Yes it is a well known fact that you hate America.

I live in America ....

[RawAlex]

Webby, what, do you expect the US to just leave and give Saddam a pat of the bakc and say "Hey, heres your country back, sorry for that invasion, you are an all right guy and you can keep on killing your people, threatening the world, no problem, you are all cool?"

I hate the idea that the US attacked Iraq, but it is really clear that the world is a better place with Saddam in it.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by cyber_ninja

we dont get "ruled" here

Is that what you think?

[DWB]

Originally Posted by Webby

Pulling out the ceasefire excuse now??

Gawd - you are so full of fucking excuses, you would try and justify whoring your grandmother.

I'll repeat - The US is totally responsible for it's own actions - the same as any other nation.

So far, it has engaged in serveral contrived wars, responsible for assassinations of other democratically elected leaders, funded and trained dictators of oppressive regimes, trained the military of oppressive regimes in torture techniques, bribing the electoral system of other democracies, blah blah - the list is endless. All these actions happened in the last few decades and the effects of them still exist today.

You should be really proud that your nation has been a blot on the landscape of the planet for decades as the world's main arms trader, and, if not top of the list, at least has a good placement on the list of terror and torture states.

The US govt is a fucking disgrace to the human species.

I concur.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by Splum

...and the single most powerful modern nation this world has ever known. Dont hate the player hate the game.

There is no game unless there is a player with enough greed and selfishness.

Some may call it immaturity - the US is not a first, tho others have learned thru their history and the US will not be the last, but will go the same way as all the other "players" (that's prob already started).

"Players" have little to offer anyone - they leech off other nations to maintain their perceived credibility and status. They power-dress and mess in the affairs of as many other nations as possible, but strip the dress and there is nothing. There is no level of abuse they will go to in an effort to hang on to their status - even tho they may be economically/socially/culturally defunct on many levels.

Sure, ya can blame a series of governments (it takes more than one session of government), but they were elected - and the electorate is equally guilty of the actions taken in their name.

Hate? Na.. don't hate anyone, but prob despise hypocracy, the selfish, abusers and liars - and prob why a few governments are at the top of the queue

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Webby, what, do you expect the US to just leave and give Saddam a pat of the bakc and say "Hey, heres your country back, sorry for that invasion, you are an all right guy and you can keep on killing your people, threatening the world, no problem, you are all cool?"

I hate the idea that the US attacked Iraq, but it is really clear that the world is a better place with Saddam in it.

dont want to answer for Webby, but the proper actions would have been to turn him over to the justice of an international court, as with Milosevic... and let him rot in jail for the rest of his life.

But the US , disguised under morality, religion, democracy and rightness, wanted him executed ....
BTW, how many people were killed by Khadafi, your new friend in Libye ....

That is what is wrong.

[PMdave]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

dont want to answer for Webby, but the proper actions would have been to turn him over to the justice of an international court, as with Milosevic... and let him rot in jail for the rest of his life.

That would mean recognizing those courts.... and once you've recognized them... well who knows they will go after next.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by interracialtoons

Are you claiming that none of the 180 people deserved to executed?

Is there a possibility that Sadam killed 180 totaly fucked up people that the likes of have never existed in the United States and we therefore could never imagine our governmant having to do such a thing?

Not saying it's true, but where is the proof that these people deserved to live. If Sadam deserved to die then maybe other people do also.

Your joking, RIGHT?

Where is the proof these people deserved to live? These 180 people had rights; They did nothing wrong other than not belong to the correct party. This is like President Bush walking into Congress and killing all of the Democrats only because they aren't Republicans.....

[Webby]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Webby, what, do you expect the US to just leave and give Saddam a pat of the bakc and say "Hey, heres your country back, sorry for that invasion, you are an all right guy and you can keep on killing your people, threatening the world, no problem, you are all cool?"

I hate the idea that the US attacked Iraq, but it is really clear that the world is a better place with Saddam in it.

Hear ya Alex... It's not a matter of the US leaving blah - the US should never have been there in the first place.

It's also not an issue over the evils or otherwise of Saddam - he was only one thug in power on this planet. There are plenty more - the US going to invade their countries with another "Shock and Awe"?

The purported reasons for US involvement was.. well.. everything from WMD, "war on terror" to "spreading freedom and democracy". All of these reasons are false and only an idiot would believe any one of them. Who knows the real reason - tho there are profits from war and the US sure needs some profits. Killing never stepped in the way in pursuit of a dollar - why stop now?

The US seriously needs to attend to US issues and stay the fuck out of the affairs of other nations. It may also be appropriate that the US starts reparations to all nations where it caused serious and long lasting damage - Iraq and it's people are only a grain of sand in that pile of damage. That said, the US does not have the funds to even begin to restore that damage.

The US has nothing to offer anyone and has been a leech for decades - it's time to quit the bullshit and stand up with whatever honor is left and make an attempt to be ecomonically sustainable and quit living off plastic cards from other nations.

Only my - it is so fucking sad that any, allegedly civilized, western nation should conduct itself so badly that it becomes so despised by the international community. It's also damned sad that there is a total inability in leadership to communicate internationally on a balanced level. It is also damned sad for the victims of such a government - with emphasis on the masses who suffered or were killed on foreign territories, but not forgetting those who were expected to fight the wars of this idiot government. It is also damned sad that the ecomonics of a nation could be so badly screwed on pointless war adventures - especially when a fraction of that cost could have done so many other positive things at all levels, both for US folks and for others on an international level. Disgust is too mild a word.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

dont want to answer for Webby, but the proper actions would have been to turn him over to the justice of an international court, as with Milosevic... and let him rot in jail for the rest of his life.

But the US , disguised under morality, religion, democracy and rightness, wanted him executed ....
BTW, how many people were killed by Khadafi, your new friend in Libye ....

That is what is wrong.

Feel free You said it quicker and summed up several issues