Alec Helmly personally Supports .XXX

[mikesouth]

Efforts to get a statement directly from him on the xbiz boards back this up.

Basic Rules of GFY

1. No spamming other boards! We don't spam other boards about GFY. We need the same courtesy!


Now we know why he is buddy buddy with Lawley...wanna bet theres money involved?

[Pointless]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

Efforts to get a statement directly from him on the xbiz boards back this up.

edited by your friendly Neighborhood moderator

Now we know why he is buddy buddy with Lawley...wanna bet theres money involved?

hate the game buddy

[mikesouth]

I do hate the game specially when people are playin it with my life and my money.

[Pointless]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

I do hate the game specially when people are playin it with my life and my money.

[mikesouth]

I dunno, I kinda think that if XBiz is in ICMRs pocket...that's relevant. Specially when XBiz is falling all over themselves to APPEAR to be against .XXX

Can you say Agent Provacateur?

[cpt. insaino]

bump u up

[edgeprod]

Aren't A) spreading a false accusation, and B) posting links to another board BOTH bannable offenses here on GFY?

[mikesouth]

if the link is an offense I apologize and am fine with a mod removing it but as far as a false accusation....the fact is that alec refuses to answer personally and from what I see it seems obvious that he supports .XXX which is FINE by me...but he should at least have the balls to say he supports it.

[Vendzilla]

read the GFY rules, I do

[polish_aristocrat]

Don't know who supports what, but looking at that thread there, it's obvious that .xxx is perceived in a better way at the Xbiz board than it is on GFY.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

Efforts to get a statement directly from him on the xbiz boards back this up.

Now we know why he is buddy buddy with Lawley...wanna bet theres money involved?

Alec's track record is well known and very transparent how he plays his games

The lack of any response from Helmy is no surprise - it must be a very difficult to give a "Yes" or "No" answer when money is at stake....

[Webby]

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

Don't know who supports what, but looking at that thread there, it's obvious that .xxx is perceived in a better way at the Xbiz board than it is on GFY.

A possible comparison is listening to most other news media, then listening to FoxNews

Oddly, Alec reminds me of FoxNews

[edgeprod]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

the fact is that alec refuses to answer personally and from what I see it seems obvious that he supports .XXX which is FINE by me

You crack me up with this. If I answered every thread where some idiot has DEMANDED an answer on something, it's all I'd do. I'd imagine Alec feels the same way about how ridiculous you're acting.

Fuck .XXX, fuck Lawley, but this "calling people out" bullshit is EXACTLY what divides the industry and makes things like .XXX possible.

[edgeprod]

Originally Posted by Webby

A possible comparison is listening to most other news media, then listening to FoxNews

I think it's just that less bullshit is tolerated over there, because it's a much smaller board. GFY is *huge*, so the kids just get ignored. It's hard to miss a post over at the other place, because so few posts are made every day.

If someone comes into the other place spouting off nonsense backed up by a cheering section of one-post-wonders, it doesn't have as much of an impact. Just how we roll, I guess.

[mikesouth]

Originally Posted by edgeprod

You crack me up with this. If I answered every thread where some idiot has DEMANDED an answer on something, it's all I'd do. I'd imagine Alec feels the same way about how ridiculous you're acting.

Fuck .XXX, fuck Lawley, but this "calling people out" bullshit is EXACTLY what divides the industry and makes things like .XXX possible.

Gee I have only suggested that Alec answer a question that someone else posted. Mayber y'all have me confused with someone else. dont seem it would take that long for Alec to simply say no I do not support passage of .XXX

Or even Yes I do.

[edgeprod]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

Mayber y'all have me confused with someone else.

How do you figure? You weren't the child that created THIS thread? My mistake, then, and I sincerely apologize. GFY error, I guess.

[edgeprod]

P.S., I'm going to go for a run and then hop in the shower. I won't be back to this thread, you can beat your dead horse in peace. Get a bigger stick, though, it's more amusing to watch.

[polish_aristocrat]

Originally Posted by edgeprod

Fuck .XXX, fuck Lawley, but this "calling people out" bullshit is EXACTLY what divides the industry and makes things like .XXX possible.

not really

If everyone was against .xxx and everyone voiced their opinion and said clearly that he is against, then .xxx wouldn't happen.

What could make .xxx possible (personally I still think it will be rejected rather than approved) would be when some people (I don't know who) are silently supporting it as it is apparently the case now... and it looked to me like MikeSouth asked for a clarification that everyone from Xbiz is strongly opposed to .xxx

(if EVERYONE in this biz viewed .xxx in the same way like the US looks at terrorists then everyone would be happy to admit that they are a part of the "War against .xxx" - in which you are either "with us" or "against us" )

thats just some logic here, but I can't comment on the personal aspects since I don't know the people in question on such level.

edit:

P.S., I'm going to go for a run and then hop in the shower. I won't be back to this thread, you can beat your dead horse in peace.

shit, I was 1 minute too late

[Webby]

Originally Posted by edgeprod

I think it's just that less bullshit is tolerated over there, because it's a much smaller board. GFY is *huge*, so the kids just get ignored. It's hard to miss a post over at the other place, because so few posts are made every day.

If someone comes into the other place spouting off nonsense backed up by a cheering section of one-post-wonders, it doesn't have as much of an impact. Just how we roll, I guess.

Sure edge.. there is definately more substance on the other place including a number of very good articles and less "would you hit it?" threads.

Only my but also see a "contest" there and an attempt at arrogance with the assumption "we know best" coupled with a strong desire to lead the whole industry *somewhere*.

Why do I think XBiz exists for Alec and as a "tool" to portay a face of "righteousness" - along with several other things where he has a finger in the pie? There is nothing wrong with many of these "projects" - in fact, can be the reverse - but coming from a guy in the porn biz, exudes an aura of someone trying to be something they are not.

Can't help but think Lawley and Helmy would make and handsome couple and hot bedmates - they both have similar motivation factors and playing a role as instigators, accompanied by the usual assumptions of being relevant to the adult industry - and with, of course, the industry's welfare in mind. Who could resist this charming couple?

[mikesouth]

gee edgeprod you sure are defensive...reckon why? Did we hit a sore spot maybe??

I bet if you followed this to its end...youd find money in the hands of XBiz.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

Don't know who supports what, but looking at that thread there, it's obvious that .xxx is perceived in a better way at the Xbiz board than it is on GFY.

EVERY business issue is "perceived in a better way at the Xbiz board than it is on GFY"

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by edgeprod

If I answered every thread where some idiot has DEMANDED an answer on something, it's all I'd do. I'd imagine Alec feels the same way about how ridiculous you're acting.

*I* gave Mike a response, and to paraphrase the way one of our mods put it, "if Tony Snow tells you something, you can be sure it came from Bush; the President doesn't need to directly respond to idiots."

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

I bet if you followed this to its end...youd find money in the hands of XBiz.

I'm not saying anything about Alec's personal viewpoints, but the fact is that business is about making money, so yes, you'll always "find money in the hands of XBiz" – but that doesn't mean there's some sweetheart deal...

As a side note, I know some of the people behind the .xxx deal (which was a done deal two years ago) – but that info did NOT come from anyone at XBIZ. If I told you the names and details I have heard, then you'd really have a shit for yourself...

It's the names I've heard, BTW, that make me believe that .xxx is inevitable – and if you're smart, you'll be thinking about how you'll respond when it comes – not waste your time pointing and whining about things you know nothing about.

[mikesouth]

I dunno about Y'all but my BULLSHIT detector just redlined.

[jayeff]

Originally Posted by Stephen

EVERY business issue is "perceived in a better way at the Xbiz board than it is on GFY"

That is an extremely feeble response. Someone may have his own personal agenda for wanting XXX to pass, but for the industry as a whole, the application as it stands can only be bad news. That is the core, regardless of whether the issue is discussed in a measured manner or cluttered with GFY's usual sigwhores and juveniles.

No-one in this industry can seriously believe XXX will do anything to exclude minors from porn sites.

No-one can welcome the possibility, however remote they may perceive it to be, that we might one day be ghettoized.

There isn't s single, solitary benefit to be gained from XXX except by those involved directly with the would-be registrar or who plan to speculate in the domain names the TLD will allow.

Even this latter group would do well to see past their anticipated short-term gains and consider that they are helping put potential control over who does business and how, into the hands of someone who has cynically distorted his motives and intentions, to get this far. They are damn fools if they think that past acquaintance or present deals guarantee that in future they will not be in as much trouble as the rest of us, if our fears about XXX play out.

[devilspost]

even if they get it passed it wont mean shit. just another .whaterver whogivesashit.

[Webby]

Stephen:
So far... it took three posts - one to praise XBiz, one to imply Alec can be compared to a "leader" and the third to convey, "mind your own busineess - you are an idiot".

In answer to each...

(a) Fine.. agree.

(b) Helmy is Helmy - he sure as hell is no leader. He was blessed with a mouth and like everyone else, can use it to say "Yes" or "No".

(c) Suppose this is a demonstration of the arrogance in the "XBiz team" - of course you know better and others are all idiots.

I never noticed baddog actually asking you for your opinion on whether Helmy supported .XXX TLD's or not Stephen - he asked Helmy, who obviously he is going thru a dumb phase and unable to respond.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by devilspost

even if they get it passed it wont mean shit. just another .whaterver whogivesashit.

Yes, UNLESS it becomes mandatory (legislated) that (domestic) adult sites migrate to .xxx – then you'll see a serious re-shuffling of the deck – which is the real reason why so many people are opposed to .xxx

As a side note, that re-shuffling might not change too much, since the same folks that were "big names" when I got into adult in '96 will be the same "big names" to profit.

[devilspost]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Yes, UNLESS it becomes mandatory (legislated) that (domestic) adult sites migrate to .xxx

That will never happen. Just a wet dream of some scammer.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Webby

I never noticed baddog actually asking you for your opinion on whether Helmy supported .XXX TLD's or not Stephen - he asked Helmy, who obviously he is going thru a dumb phase and unable to respond.

Not at all. Lloyd is one of our longest term members and moderators and he knows *exactly* how things work at XBIZ. If you ask Alec something and I'm the one that responds, it's the same as if it came from his lips. Baddog knows this and all of this bullshit drama is just that, "bullshit drama"

Don't you people have something more profitable to do with your time?

[Stephen]

Here's an idea: what if all of you that so streneously oppose .xxx don't buy any .xxx domains when they become available? Put your money where your mouth is and refuse to support this initiative ? after all, since this is just a money scam, what better way to thwart it than to not play along?

Oddly, I bet that the loudest squakers will be the first to pay up...

[Webby]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Not at all. Lloyd is one of our longest term members and moderators and he knows *exactly* how things work at XBIZ. If you ask Alec something and I'm the one that responds, it's the same as if it came from his lips. Baddog knows this and all of this bullshit drama is just that, "bullshit drama"

Don't you people have something more profitable to do with your time?

I never asked you about "how things work at XBiz" - it's a topic that could not be of less interest.

OK.. So Helmy needs a mouthpiece to speak for him? That's your burden.

Obviously you having nothing more profitable to do than spend time here attempting to speak for your 'leader" - quit whining about others making comment and making pathetic attempts to decry them as being "idiots" and playing the role of drama queens.

It's very easy Stephen - there is more than good reason to consider Helmy has his finger in the .XXX pie and his "personal views" are more relevant than any staff at XBiz. Your "leader" was asked for a two or three character response - nothing more, nothing less - but failed.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Not at all. Lloyd is one of our longest term members and moderators and he knows *exactly* how things work at XBIZ. If you ask Alec something and I'm the one that responds, it's the same as if it came from his lips. Baddog knows this and all of this bullshit drama is just that, "bullshit drama"

Not sure, but I think I said pretty much the same thing in another thread. I can't imagine Stephen, Tom or anyone else from XBiz speaking on behalf of Alec without his blessing.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Stephen

*I* gave Mike a response, and to paraphrase the way one of our mods put it, "if Tony Snow tells you something, you can be sure it came from Bush; the President doesn't need to directly respond to idiots."

I understand Alec is your boss so you have to lick his ass. He is not President of the United States he is not even the President of IBM,he is just a guy. I always saw you as a standup guy. I have a feeling if you weren't collecting a paycheck, you would be speaking differently. Also you know who supports this, be a real newspaper and out them. It's very sad, I thought with Xbiz we had a chance at a real industry newspaper, nope just a another tool to sell ads. Very sad Xbiz isnt a more serious place than GFY its just a place that everyone agrees more with the staus quo.

[seeric]

"i have a meat torpedo in my pants."


~posted for Juicy D. Links

(He couldn't make it and asked me to post this)

[tony286]

also what is the link to cancel both my subscriptions, Stephen

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Webby

Your "leader" was asked for a two or three character response - nothing more, nothing less - but failed.

Although I've been there since day one, I'm not "an employee" of XBIZ and Alec is not my "leader" he's my friend. I invest in him because I believe in his vision, drive and capability. If he asks me to do something like answer a question that he's too busy making money to deal with, then I'm more than happy to do that for him.

He didn't "fail" he provided a clear and specific response that I posted for him.

This whole "issue" is the same as a telemarketer being pissed off because when he called at dinner time to sell some aluminum siding, he got hung up on...

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Although I've been there since day one, I'm not "an employee" of XBIZ and Alec is not my "leader" he's my friend. I invest in him because I believe in his vision, drive and capability. If he asks me to do something like answer a question that he's too busy making money to deal with, then I'm more than happy to do that for him.

He didn't "fail" he provided a clear and specific response that I posted for him.

This whole "issue" is the same as a telemarketer being pissed off because when he called at dinner time to sell some aluminum siding, he got hung up on...

So you write all those articles for free? Alec is too busy making money to post yes or no himself? it would of took less effort then telling you to do it lol

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by tony404

So you write all those articles for free? Alec is too busy making money to post yes or no himself? it would of took less effort then telling you to do it lol

I didn't say that I wasn't paid, I said I wasn't "an employee"

And, yes, Alec is too busy; but even if he wasn't, why do you think he is obligated to respond to "demands"?

What I don't understand is why all the focus on Helmy?

I don't see demands that Joe, Ron, the folks behind the biggest cash contest currently running on this site, or anyone else what their stance is, yet, those folks (and others) are the ones you should be asking...

We give you an opportunity to discuss the matter with the guy behind it all and we get to be the bad guys?

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Stephen

I didn't say that I wasn't paid, I said I wasn't "an employee"

And, yes, Alec is too busy; but even if he wasn't, why do you think he is obligated to respond to "demands"?

What I don't understand is why all the focus on Helmy?

I don't see demands that Joe, Ron, the folks behind the biggest cash contest currently running on this site, or anyone else what their stance is, yet, those folks (and others) are the ones you should be asking...

I will tell you why, he owns what has become the paper of record for the adult industry. Also his company invited ICM to speak at a adult event on the assumption .xxx will passed . I dont think this will show well for the industry with icann. I personally held Alec to a higher standard because of his work founding ASACP and the great paper that his organization created.
I guess I was wrong and I feel alittle sad actually.
Also this .xxx coming back and reactions has shown me what a short sighted whore industry I work in.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by tony404

his company invited ICM to speak at a adult event on the assumption .xxx will passed . I dont think this will show well for the industry with icann.

Tony, this is where I think folks misunderstood the very premise of what was going on and things snowballed from there: Sure, we invited Lawley to speak because there's two real issues facing the online adult industry right now: 2257 inspections (which we're bringing in the inspectors to discuss) and .xxx (which we're bringing in the principals to discuss).

There was NO "XBIZ demands that you move to .xxx and here's how!"

It was just "Here's the two main players in the two main issues impacting us, let's hear what they have to say..."

This is important stuff, whether you like it or not, and XBIZ is the only one bringing it to you, because, as you said, we're "the paper of record for the adult industry" – and now "the show of record for the adult industry."

As far as ICANN goes, that's another story. They're not worried about what XBIZ is writing; they're worried about the Bush administration, the United Nations, all the family groups and everyone else that's against "legitimizing" porn by giving it its own TLD.

As a side note, many of you bitch about the religious right trying to close you down, but they are dead set AGAINST .xxx – Have you ever considered the issue deep enough to wonder why your enemies don't want you to have it?

[Fizzgig]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Have you ever considered the issue deep enough to wonder why your enemies don't want you to have it?

I haven't checked out their arguments. It's almost enough that they're against it!

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Tony, this is where I think folks misunderstood the very premise of what was going on and things snowballed from there: Sure, we invited Lawley to speak because there's two real issues facing the online adult industry right now: 2257 inspections (which we're bringing in the inspectors to discuss) and .xxx (which we're bringing in the principals to discuss).

There was NO "XBIZ demands that you move to .xxx and here's how!"

It was just "Here's the two main players in the two main issues impacting us, let's hear what they have to say..."

This is important stuff, whether you like it or not, and XBIZ is the only one bringing it to you, because, as you said, we're "the paper of record for the adult industry" ? and now "the show of record for the adult industry."

As far as ICANN goes, that's another story. They're not worried about what XBIZ is writing; they're worried about the Bush administration, the United Nations, all the family groups and everyone else that's against "legitimizing" porn by giving it its own TLD.

As a side note, many of you bitch about the religious right trying to close you down, but they are dead set AGAINST .xxx ? Have you ever considered the issue deep enough to wonder why your enemies don't want you to have it?

Now the way you just said it makes it a very different thing. Im confused Im done posting on .xxx. What happens, happens I cant stop it one way or another. This is causing too much stress for me. I have something unique I feel we offer the market and I will just focus my energies on that.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by tony404

What happens, happens I cant stop it one way or another.

To be honest, that's where I'm at now: The wheels have been set in motion but the fat lady hasn't sung yet – the decision of whether or not we have a .xxx TLD won't be up to the industry at this point, IMHO, but up to the commerce department – even if it's done behind the scenes.

The question is "IF .xxx passes, then what next?" and "How do I respond / adapt / profit?"

That's all we're trying to address, including the concerns over domain pecking orders (I believe that current dot-com owners have first rights for the .xxx version of their names), traffic redirection, and other ancillary factors that Lawley can sit in the hot seat over.

You're a reasonable guy, Tony, I'd hope that you'd make it to the show and put in your questions / opinions.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by Stephen

As a side note, that re-shuffling might not change too much, since the same folks that were "big names" when I got into adult in '96 will be the same "big names" to profit.

of course because the people at the top got there mostly by scammy methods and continue to stay at the top by fucking more people over. when the laws stop them from fucking the surfer over, they move on to the webmasters.

xxx is total bullshit and is nothing but a way for a handful of people to fill their pockets. if it wasn't domains wouldn't be 75/piece. which makes no sense at all, do they just assume adult sites make more money than mainstream? give me a break. and protecting the kids, hahahaha. yeah, please protect the children but pay 10 times more per domain for no reason at all because of it. these guys are nothing but theives and selling out their own industry, cannibals.

[mikesouth]

Alec is about to get a royal assreaming compliments of mikesouth.com

[Webby]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

Alec is about to get a royal assreaming compliments of mikesouth.com

The responses on this thread are pointless.

We got a "friend" (not an employee, but someone who gets paid) to speak for an ass who can't speak for himself (Helmy) and who entertains another ass (Lawley) and gives him a platform to spew his irrelevant crap to an audience of those who actually pay for the privilege of listening to it.

I thought some threads on GFY were pointless, but the concept of paying to listen to garbage from another greedy wannabee (and his friends) is something Xbiz and Helmy have excelled themselves in. Congratulations to all involved - you make good partners

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Webby

the concept of paying to listen to garbage from another greedy wannabee (and his friends) is something Xbiz and Helmy have excelled themselves in.

First, I?m appalled at the hypocrisy demonstrated by some so-called ?businessmen? (and women), that despite making a living from an industry dependent upon tolerance and an all-inclusive acceptance of differing viewpoints, demand that this person not be allowed to speak. It reminds me of the disgusting displays that are commonplace today on college campuses where idiots shout-down speakers whose viewpoints they disagree with.

What happened to freedom of speech? What happened to your ?no censorship? ideals? Or do these ideals only apply to you and your porn-peddling needs? Hypocrites! Seriously, what do you have to fear from listening to a service provider explain his wares? If you think that your position is so superior, you should welcome the opportunity to debate him ? not adopt the methods of the book-burners trying to squelch dissenting ideas.

Beyond that, I believe that much of the furor has been caused by a misunderstanding of what the seminar is about. Whether or not you agree with a .xxx TLD, or have misgivings about its implementation, efficacy or expenses, it remains a very distinct possibility that despite the opposition of the U.S. Government, the United Nations, many family groups and indeed, many adult webmasters, that .xxx will be passed.

If .xxx is passed, and I believe it will eventually be passed, it will have a profound impact on the online adult landscape. What then? How will you respond? Having a discussion on this subject is vital, in the same sense that fire drills are conducted in schools; just so everyone knows what to do in case the ?what if? scenario plays out.

Businesspeople account for predictable contingencies; they develop mitigation plans and respond to the changing market conditions before them. For these planned measures to be effective, accurate intelligence needs to be amassed and questions need to be answered. XBIZ is providing a venue for those questions to be asked and information disseminated, allowing businesspeople to gain an advantage over the ostriches that would rather bury their heads in the sand.

And that, in the end, is what this is all about: businesspeople gaining an advantage. I?ve said before that the have?s need to shed the have not?s if we?re to continue operating into the future, and this is one mechanism by which this process will progress. But regardless of the politics, patrons, publicity or possibilities of .xxx, it is a matter that professionals need to discuss ? whatever the outcome. Will you be part of that discussion, or will you be one of the kids making noise in the other room while the adults are trying to talk?

[seeric]

Originally Posted by Stephen

As far as ICANN goes, that's another story. They're not worried about what XBIZ is writing; they're worried about the Bush administration, the United Nations, all the family groups and everyone else that's against "legitimizing" porn by giving it its own TLD.

i'm not gonna get into all this, but the bush administration and everyone else knows that .xxx is not going to stop anything that lawley says it will.

the only TLD that can even remotely help to keep kids off of adult sites is .kids

any computer a child uses could be configured with software to only allow .kids domains to resolve.

MONEY is the motivator here. Lets not forget that. ICANN likes money too. The issues arising here are because people feel that there are cogs turning behind the scenes, and they are. I myself talk to people who do know some of those that are going to fuck us if they can get this pushed through. Fortunately for them, they are smart enough to not give me the names or details because I wouldn't hesitate for one second to blow a hole in this thing bigger than the one that sank the Titanic.

i do not intend to argue with anyone, I just want to make sure everyone stays aware, Stuart Lawley can give two shits about kids, and I just might tell him myself at the seminar.

i personally do no think that xbiz is pro .xxx, if i did i wouldn't support them like i do.

carry on all.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by Stephen

First, I’m appalled at the hypocrisy demonstrated by some so-called “businessmen” (and women), that despite making a living from an industry dependent upon tolerance and an all-inclusive acceptance of differing viewpoints, demand that this person not be allowed to speak.

It never was about listening to greedy wannabees expounding their theories and plans for this industry Stephen. I'm sure most involved have better things to do than listen to crap which is supported by XBiz and, of course, the quiet Mr Helmy in the background who is unable to utter a two or three character word.

If anyone needs to be heard, it's Alec - not the messenger boy. At least Alec is in this industry which is more than can be said for the righteous Mr Lawley - the protector of the world's children - at a price.

It's also not an issue of "this person not being allowed to speak" - let him pay for his own propaganda bullshit. Why should this industry enable him by entertaining his views and webmasters having to tolerate sitting thru his slippery money-making spewage disguised as a effort towards righteous aims of protecting children ad nausea?

This whole issue is based on total hypocracy and greed - and that extends to those who associate with swamp life.