To everyone who is in favor of going to war: Go To HELL!!

[Lane]

The Leaders fight, civilians and soldiers die.
War means MORE DEAD PEOPLE!!
are you fucking nuts? you want more people to die!! i dont give a shit if it is American People or Afghan. There is gonna be tons of innocent people dead. Nations are gonna spend their money on this shit and people who survive will suffer poverty.

War is not revenge. It wont stop the terrorism. Its nothing different than what these brainwashed terrorists did.

Get Real People!!


Edited to add this:
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PEACE doesnt mean leaving the terrorists alone. Justice is a must!
But war is not justice.
please read this article of USIP (United Institution of Peace)

How terrorism ends:
http://www.usip.org/oc/sr/sr990525/sr990525.html



[This message has been edited by Lane (edited 09-15-2001).]

[12clicks]

well, there's one idiots opinion. how many more will we see.

[12clicks]

once you remove afgahnistan from the face of the earth, NO ONE will harbour terrorist. They will be choked off because of fear of US retaliation.
THAT is how you handled it. Not thru any method sissy britches lane may propose.

[eRock]

Waaaaa! Waaaaa! Tell it to your mother!

Originally posted by Lane:
The Leaders fight, civilians and soldiers die.
War means MORE DEAD PEOPLE!!
are you fucking nuts? you want more people to die!! i dont give a shit if it is American People or Afghan. There is gonna be tons of innocent people dead. Nations are gonna spend their money on this shit and people who survive will suffer poverty.

War is not revenge. It wont stop the terrorism. Its nothing different than what these brainwashed terrorists did.

Get Real People!!

[Hot Tropical Babes]

What are you, a Puss? When you got your ass whipped in the first grade, What did you do? Lay in the dirt and cry? What the fuck do you think we have a military for? Step back you lil puss and let the big boys take care of business. Whatever they choose needs to be done, whether they go on a individual headhunt or bomb the country aiding these freaks.

[Lane]

Originally posted by 12clicks:
once you remove afgahnistan from the face of the earth, NO ONE will harbour terrorist. They will be choked off because of fear of US retaliation.
THAT is how you handled it. Not thru any method sissy britches lane may propose.

you undereducated dumbo. you think afghanistan is the only country supporting terrorist. You are wrong!! try watching some world news next time.

fear of US killing them? you think terrorist are afraid of death? how do you explain the suicide attacks then?

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[Lane]

Originally posted by Hot Tropical Babes:
What the fuck do you think we have a military for?

for national security. not for bombing and killing people.


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[Speedy26]

maybe we should send them some cookies & milk.

[shunga]

He has a right to that opinion. But then millions went off to fight during 1939-45 so he could have that right. We were forced to fight then, and we're forced to fight now, with the same goal; a better, safer, tomorrow.

[Lane]

Originally posted by shunga:
He has a right to that opinion. But then millions went off to fight during 1939-45 so he could have that right. We were forced to fight then, and we're forced to fight now, with the same goal; a better, safer, tomorrow.

bombing them will not make anything safer.
terrorist are not afraid to die and they arent only located in or supported by afghanistan.

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[This message has been edited by Lane (edited 09-15-2001).]

[Amputate Your Head]

I'm sorry Lane, I don't know how it is today in the military, but when I was in, they specifically taught us many different ways to KILL PEOPLE. Didn't have a damn thing to do with national security when they said "strap on your bayonets and stab the fuck out of the enemy!". Grenades, bombs, missles, claymores, and machine gun ammunition are all designed to KILL PEOPLE.

Might be ugly, but we live in an ugly world.

[eRock]

Let's just level the WHOLE middle east! Except Saudi & Kuwait of course! The rest of them do NOTHING for the rest of the world 'sides cause problems!

Originally posted by Lane:
you undereducated dumbo. you think afghanistan is the only country supporting terrorist. You are wrong!! try watching some world news next time.

fear of US killing them? you think terrorist are afraid of death? how do you explain the suicide attacks then?

[eRock]

Thought it will make it safer w/ none of them alive! Duh! Doesn't matter if they're afraid to die or not, when they're dead, that's it, my friend!

Originally posted by Lane:
bombing them will not make anything safer.
terrorist are not afraid to die and they arent only located in or supported by afghanistan.

[kong]

Lane, by bombing afgahnistan, you not only bring fear to other terrorists, but more importantly it will bring fear to other countries that support these terrorists.

Bomb afgahnistan and no other country will risk harboring or supporting terrorists.


-Kong

[12clicks]

Originally posted by Lane:
you undereducated dumbo. you think afghanistan is the only country supporting terrorist. You are wrong!! try watching some world news next time.

fear of US killing them? you think terrorist are afraid of death? how do you explain the suicide attacks then?

dear halfwit, once you make an example of one, the rest think twice. Start hurting the states sponsoring terrorist and terrorists will disappear. terrorists don't fear death, state leaders do. Go back under the lilly you crawled out from under.

[12clicks]

Originally posted by Lane:

for national security. not for bombing and killing people.

hahaha, fucking dope! did he really type that or did his dog do it?

[Lane]

the thing that i dont believe is that war stops or slows down terrorism. its all about security and military is there for our security.

the results of war is horrible. i just cant stand people wanting more people to die.

[Red7]

Lane what are you thinking? I have to agree with 12Clicks 100% if we did not go to war these terrists would do about 20 times so far what they have allready done.. use your head- hell my dog has more Balls then your statement.

[eRock]

LOL...exactly! And all the Afgan leaders are in hiding!

Now...new report, Afganistan is WARNING Pakistan NOT to abide by what our demands are. They're REALLY scared and for a good reason! They know they're goin' down. The terrorists fucked up as well as the Afgans, no they will pay!

[eRock]

I mean, "NOW they will pay!"

[shunga]

Originally posted by Lane:
bombing them will not make anything safer.
terrorist are not afraid to die and they arent only located in or supported by afghanistan.

You could argue that winning WW2 didn't make the world safer. We'll never know what the alternative would have been like, and I'm glad we never found out. What would have happened if Iraq had won the Gulf War? With a dominant position in the world oil market, the West would have been held to ransom. We fight now because we hope we can make a positive difference to the future. What is the alternative for us? Hoping international terrorism goes away? Hoping they limit their attacks to the kind we saw this week? Praying they don't use chemical, biological or nuclear devices? Where do we draw the line? When DO we fight? You're right about one thing. It's not just Afghanistan, they may be on top of the list, but that list has a few countries on it, and all of them will be dealt with, by people who are generally reluctant to fight, but who are determined to win.

[Lane]

I am all for PEACE.

in short words:
Defense is good, attack is bad.

[eRock]

Once again! Ma, Ma! Tell it to your mother!

Originally posted by Lane:

I am all for PEACE.

in short words:
Defense is good, attack is bad.

[Sex4it]

I totally agree with Lane
You people think that you'll go with some planes and no american will ever die.
Well will die more if you want war.
Hope for peace!
Fight the terrorism not some Country

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[Lane]

http://www.usip.org/
try surfing this site a little

they have nice articles about "how to stop terrorism"

[CDSmith]

Originally posted by Lane:
you think terrorist are afraid of death? how do you explain the suicide attacks then?

I'm starting to wonder if it wasn't just horribly bad flying on the part of the arabs. I mean, 2 years of flight training and all we hear from the terrorist arabs is...
"whoops, crashed one"
"Camelshit! Crashed another one!"
"Allah's butt-hair!! We crashed another!!"

and so on. Real talented bunch of flyboys over there

Lane, seriously, do criminals get caught and punished in your country? If so, do you protest that judicial process?
What? You don't?
Then why are you objecting now? You are about the 10th guy to come on here and pretty much say "leave the ciminals alone!"

As I said, I'm sure every country involved with terrorists will be given every chance to give up the bad guys first. The countries that comply and help the cause will have minimal problems from the USA I'm sure. The ones that say "fuck you" will have major ones, of the lasting kind, and rightly so.

We are all sick to death of hearing about war and fighting and terrorism and car bombing and missile-sending and all the other shit that the fucking assholes in the middle-east seem to love to do to each other (and now us). We usually leave you alone to kill one another, but when you invade a country that can't defend it'self (Kuwwait) or you blow up our own buildings, it's time to kick ass and rain down some justice. Anyone that doesn't see that is either retarted or ignorant.

CD

[DarkJedi]

I agree with peace too. CIA's budges is $27 billion. They should have taken out Bin Laden quiet. SpecOps should deal with terrorists.

[Amputate Your Head]

Being all for peace is fine. But it's not reality. Peace is a pipe dream. Humans have been fighting since we crawled out of Darwin's soup.

Two basic reasons:

1. Hatred.
2. Justice.

You can extrapolate and add to that list, but it basically can be boiled down to that. To cry "PEACE!" is fine. But it's the same as putting a pillow over your head and hoping it will all be fine in the morning. Realizing that is what separates us from childrens minds.

[Jedito]

Any act of terrorism is deplorable, without concerning its magnitude and the amount of victims who have perished or suffered in them.
But lamentably, some people think that to put under the slavery groups or ethnoses it is the solution, to impose puppet governments in countries with the purpose of delaying the " advance of opposite ideologies to their economic interests " in their hemisphere or in another one he is so " terrorist " as the one of yesterday.
The attack to the WTC of NY is completely inadmissible and I believe that that nobody can feel proud or with joy by similar massacre, but now the North Americans, in their own territory, have suffered what they goverment caused in diverse countries: in Iran Shah de Persia put under during decades his town with the aid of the USA; Saddam Hussein " was invented " to stop the Islamic revolution in Iran; talibanes was armed by the USA to expel to the URSS of Afghanistan; Fidel Castro went an answer to the dictatorship of Batiste, maintained by the USA, that he had sunk in the misery to the Cuban town whereas the Mafia and the High Society of the USA enjoyed the goodness of the island; military governments in Central America and South America during the decade of ' 70 and ' 80 were fomented, helped and " armed " by the USA, only remember to Somoza in Nicaragua, the civil war in El Salvador, Pinochet in Chile, Videla and the military juntas in Argentina, Stroessner in Paraguay, Noriega in Panama. How many Latin American died in conflicts created by the company and the government of the USA with the purpose of imposing their economic interests and selling arms to fight with our neighboring countries? Hundreds of thousands. How many people died and die by the blockade to Iraq? Thousands. How much people died in Dominican Republic in the ' 65 when she was invaded by the USA? How much people died in Panama? Obvious, all these conflicts and/or governments count on the complicity of " favored " groups within the country. This can be naif but if much of the money that uses to design and to develop arms were used in improving the quality of life in many of the regions in where there is conflicts, diseases and hunger; if that money were used to establish a dialogue and real approach, the history of Latin America and the Middle East would be different. The one of is yesterday a demonstration that the company, like the pathetic Latin American agencies of intelligence, only serve to create conflicts instead of preventing them.
Like all, I also believe that the guilty of the attack of must yesterday be punished, but want that also Pinochet is punished that it assassinated more than 3000 people in Chile, that is revoked I pardon the Argentine military who assassinated 30000 people in Argentina, that is punished to Stroessner of Paraguay, that is punished to the assassins of Romero and tens of thousands of people in El Salvador, etc, etc. Justice is justice when it reaches the same to all, not only to weak and unprotected. The excrement fanatics are as much those that put a pump like that they sign with a pen a cut in a health system and education that prevents the access to the public health and to the school to which less they have. The excrement fanatics are those that speculate in the stock markets, do not pay taxes by their gains and make colapsar to countries

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[Lane]

PEACE doesnt mean leaving the terrorists alone. Justice is a must too!
But war is not justice.

please read this article of USIP (United Institution of Peace)

How terrorism ends: http://www.usip.org/oc/sr/sr990525/sr990525.html

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[Amputate Your Head]

"... and you will know my name when the hand of vengeance is upon thee..."

[SixNine]

Lane,
You'r thinking as if the world is perfect... this isn't a "best case scenario".

These animals communicate via violence so that's how we have to communicate back.

Take off the rose tinted glasses brother.

SixNine

[Amputate Your Head]

I read it Lane. Typical tree hugger propaganda.

[SixNine]

Fuckin' dope smokers.

[Lane]

i wouldnt be this much against war if i would believe that it would solve all the problems with terrorism.

people can sacrifice lives to protect the future ones. this is what you do when you are defending your country against attackers.

but war is not what can stop terrorism. i believe that there are some real solutions. the job of our leaders is to find those.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally posted by Lane:
people can sacrifice lives to protect the future ones. this is what you do when you are defending your country against attackers.

Is this not what we are doing? Have you been under a rock this week? Our country was ATTACKED.

[Lane]

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head:

Is this not what we are doing? Have you been under a rock this week? Our country was ATTACKED.

this is while you are under attack, not after attack.
now we are gonna be the attacking ones and they will have to die trying to defend themselves.

[Jedito]

Originally posted by SixNine:

These animals communicate via violence so that's how we have to communicate back.

Take off the rose tinted glasses brother.

SixNine

Aren't they answering you with violence? as you do with them?
Or is not violence made childrens die for economical reasons?
Perhaps it is not violence to only impose DICTATORSHIPS (the defender of the world-wide liberties) in others countries by its economicas pretenciones, doing that these DICTATORSHIPS kill thousands of people?
That is not violence? or perhaps you think that this is only born of crazy minds to which single it interests to them to kill people?
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[CDSmith]

Anyone who buys into shit propaganda reporting is very gullible indeed.

Sometimes in life you have to get up your gumption and face your enemy and drop him where he stands.

Tell me, are you peace-sticles fond of chirping the same useless song over and over an over, because I have to tell you, one definition of insanity is to do exactly that. So, are you insane? Okay, serious here, the peaceful talking way has been tried and tried and tried again over the last several decades. Don't you think that U.S., Canadian, British, French, Soviet and other countries have sent wave upon wave of diplomats to the middle east over the past 30 years alone? Has it done anything to curb the tide of terrorsm in the world?
no, it hasn't.
It's time to try it the other way, the "might" way, because Might is right. Criminals will be brought to justice (and given a fair trial before they're executed), and countries that stand in the way of that justice will be made to know some penalties too for the shit they cause.

As far as I'm concerned, only a naive fool would want peace right now, so the rat-infested countries that nurture terrorists can have an easy time of it.

Thankfully many many world leaders are stepping forward and voicing their support to the US on this one. That tells me that people on this earth who actually can effect large-scale changes are in agreement.

CD

[Lane]

my final post on this thread cuz i gotta go.


i just believe War is not a solution, furthermore its gonna cost lives and money. The justice has to be done with other ways. The terrorists and their supporters shouldnt get away with this. We are developed enough to find better solutions for this. Iraq/Iran or other middle east countries are the ones who try to solve the problems with wars.

we are modern people, this is how we should act too.

PEACE i am outta here

regards,
Lane

[eRock]

Lane...are you on drugs at this moment? The U.S. is not the strongest country in the world for playin' tiddley winks w/ our enemies! We make sure it's known that we are NOT to be fucked with! Whining & crying about world oeace will get you or anyone else NOwhere!

I think maybe your next vacation should be Afganistan. Write us...tell us how it was!

[eRock]

Okay...what's your solutiuons? It's already cost lives & money!

Originally posted by Lane:

my final post on this thread cuz i gotta go.


i just believe War is not a solution, furthermore its gonna cost lives and money. The justice has to be done with other ways. The terrorists and their supporters shouldnt get away with this. We are developed enough to find better solutions for this. Iraq/Iran or other middle east countries are the ones who try to solve the problems with wars.

we are modern people, this is how we should act too.

PEACE i am outta here

regards,
Lane

[Tanker]

As a veteran recently leaving the military I have a few words myself!

1. as a former security forces serving in the marines. you have to let the countries that harbor terrorist know that we are not going to tolorate it.. if we bomb the Afgans we are not going to launch strikes on hosptals and non military or terrorist targets we are going to hit the terrorist and the military hard though! there will be one hell of a lot less innocents dieing in afganistan then died on the 11th in NYC...

And by bombing them it will make other terrorist harboring assholes realize that it will not be worth it to harbor them...

2 as a former Tanker in the Marines and Army
in some of the most deployed units in the service...

Lane the military is designed as a deterent designed to make another country or organization think twice about attacking.. however when attacked it should be able to strike back fast and hard to once again become a deterent.. seeing that we were attacked and they got away with it so far they dont see attacking as a hard thing to do.. we now have to attack back and let them see that we can kick there asses....

As for we should just be a defense NO NO NO
if we just become a defense that means they have to come back here and attack again and again on our home turf!! they know where we are and how to get to us if we go on the offense they have to become the ones on the move constantly trying to keep from getting there asses stomped... we cannot sit back like cowards and watch them bomb us when ever they feel like it and being terrorist we are not going to know all the time where they are..

They come to the country become citezens and live amongst us for years some join the military some become police officers some are teachers and doctors and then because of there beliefs and training befor they got here many years ago.. Instantly turn and attack and we have no clue about it untill its happened

We are not watching them, they are productive members of society only deep down they are covert and just waiting for the signal....


anyway I thing sitting back in a defense is not the way to go we should take offensive measures Soldiers are not innocent people they are soldiers airman sailors Marines Sworn to uphold and defend this great nation against all enemies and they do a hell of a good job with what little they get some make less then 1200 dollars a month with families.. I know I was there and they will defend us and our way of life... and they will go into that country and kick ass and ensure that terrorist harboring nations will think twice before knowingly let terrorist hide within there borders

Sorry for the ranting and who knows how much I just said 2 or 3 times over But I had to say it

I am proud to be an american as I know are the rest country





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[Jedito]

CDSmith I don't know if that answer was for me.
But do you really think that is paceful arm them to attack another country?
Like USA do with Irak to attack Iran, or to Osama Ben Ladem to Attack Russians in afghanistan.
Is that a peaceful way?
If so, Wow! I must be really insane!

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[hartman]

if the WTC attack was carried out when US was at peace with the terrorists, wonder what will happen when you start attacking them..

havent you (US) people learned anything from your history? what happend when you tried to kill off communism in Vietnam? the VC used gerilla warfare tactics. what happend? you lost.

what do you think will happen when the enemy have a whole world to use for their gerilla warfare? do you think that you will win that?

now this post may seem anti-american to the witchhunters, but im just stating facts. if GW decides to attack afganistan, the terrorists will go underground and counterattack. then what?

thats one of the resons that im against a conventional war...

[shunga]

I quote:

"...the end of terrorism may result from one or more of the following situations:

Success. The terrorists may have accomplished their objectives...

Preliminary success. A corollary to achieving objectives is having at least achieved public recognition for an organization and the cause it espouses...

Organizational breakdown. Terrorist organizations, like any organizations, must constantly work to maintain themselves. If recruiting dries up, or if funding becomes unavailable, the organization may be unable to sustain itself...

Dwindling support. Organizations may lose the support of their various constituencies--the populations they seek to represent or the governments or other organizations that support them...

New alternatives. At times, other options for political change emerge. They can include more traditional forms of warfare or revolution, mass protests, or political negotiations..."

Do you believe any of those apply to Bin Laden, in particular? They might apply to Western terrorists, but I'm afraid they have no relevance to the issue at hand.

And I don't believe for a moment that this will be a conventional war. It has to be unconventional because the threat itself is unconventional. The term "war" is being used loosely. We'll all have to see what that means in practise.

[eRock]

Damn Swedes! Ergen, sporgen, dirgen, dorken!
Relax everyone...I'm Swedish (by decent, but American 100%)
Think before you speak my fellow Scandinavian friend!

Originally posted by hartman:
if the WTC attack was carried out when US was at peace with the terrorists, wonder what will happen when you start attacking them..

havent you (US) people learned anything from your history? what happend when you tried to kill off communism in Vietnam? the VC used gerilla warfare tactics. what happend? you lost.

what do you think will happen when the enemy have a whole world to use for their gerilla warfare? do you think that you will win that?

now this post may seem anti-american to the witchhunters, but im just stating facts. if GW decides to attack afganistan, the terrorists will go underground and counterattack. then what?

thats one of the resons that im against a conventional war...

[Hot Tropical Babes]

Is this guy for real?
ok lane, what do you think would be the ideal way to handle this? Host a pot luck dinner and invite ladin and his followers. Maybe even say "Please, dont do this again"

Are you afraid of being drafted? Is this the real fear you have?

I do not like war, but we dont have alot of choices right now, they drew first blood (more than once).

How many of our own have died in "Peace Keeping"? Many have.

Our troops have been all over the world in the name of "Peace Keeping"

Our military men and woman are trained to protect and keep America free. How free do you feel right now?

I think we should of started a campaign after the uss cole bombing. Why they didnt is beyond me.

There are a few things we need to change within our borders. First is to look who is living among us. We have housed these asswipes for years it seems, unfortunately the very state I live in. Matter of fact the very town my husband grew up in.

If and When you fly Old Glory, you need to think about what the stars and stripes stand for exactly. I hope apple pie and baseball dont come to your mind first, as sadly it does to so many.

Dont think I am sitting back just spewing hot air. I have a 19 year old son that may be on his way there. He chooses to fight for his country, and I am damned proud of him. Wonder if your mamma thinks the same of you?

[porn is good]

remember those 2 crackers at columbine

that was great

americans killing americans

just like oklahoma

and just like millions of ******s doing it everyday