Does anyone believe they actually found Jesus' tomb?

[ADL Colin]

Any believers?

[SpacedDog]

No. Jesus is pure fiction.

[ADL Colin]

Originally Posted by SpacedDog

No. Jesus is pure fiction.

You think there was never a man named Jesus who inspired the stories?

[cool1]

It maybe jesus's tomb but not the one they are thinking about

[BVF]

Originally Posted by ADL Colin

You think there was never a man named Jesus who inspired the stories?

There's a lot of stories in different religions that has the same story of Jesus...It's a myth...

Now there was probably a man named Jesus walking around but that's about it.

[ADL Colin]

Originally Posted by BVF

There's a lot of stories in different religions that has the same story of Jesus...It's a myth...

Now there was probably a man named Jesus walking around but that's about it.

Agreed. I would go with ... the story of a small-time cult leader blown all out of proportion.

There's an interesting book written by the psychologist Leon Festinger on a UFO cult that believes the end of the world is at hand. He infiltrated the cult. When the end doesn't come at the expected time instead of dropping the belief the group proceeds to try and convince other people of "the truth".

"Newspapers are called; interviews are sought. In a reversal of its previous distaste for publicity, the group begins an urgent campaign to spread its message to as broad an audience as possible."

[Paul Markham]

He must of lived and he must of been a very powerful person. Because after his death too many of his followers carried on his work with a lot of conviction.

But what we must never forget is what we know about him was told to us by people with a vested interest.

But we believe what Peter mainly and a few of the other disciples tell us to believe. Peter at the time was in Rome while Jews were killing Roman soldiers and citizens. Would you believe what an Iraqi told you about fundamental Islam?

Or would he have to change the message to suit the people and place he was preaching to?

Then with all the politicians who followed on do we really want to accept what they tell us to accept?

In todays media filled educated society people like Bush, Blair, and many others still think we are stupid enough to swallow their lies. Now take it back 1900 years and go forward. Where do you think you get to when people started to really question what they were told to believe?

[aico]

I don't think it matters if they found it or not, no one will believe it, it's human nature.

[Scott McD]

People will believe any shit you tell them...

[wielco]

YES i got my flight booked to check it out!

[spacedog]

How do they know it's his if it's empty?

[Historic Erotica]

Originally Posted by BVF

There's a lot of stories in different religions that has the same story of Jesus...It's a myth...

Now there was probably a man named Jesus walking around but that's about it.

exactly correct..religion is used to manipulate people to be worried about tomorrow and what will happen after there body dies..easy, think about tomorrow probably not worrying or doing anything about today..

[wizhard]

Originally Posted by BVF

There's a lot of stories in different religions that has the same story of Jesus...It's a myth...

Now there was probably a man named Jesus walking around but that's about it.

Yes, the mythology of the resurecting God predates Christianity by thousands of years and probably has it's roots in ancient Egypt ,( where Jesus spent time in his youth ).

The key to understanding the historical figure of Jesus Christ is to understand why he went to such great lengths to convince people he was "The comming of the messiah" as prophesised in the Old Testament.

[wizhard]

He must of lived and he must of been a very powerful person. Because after his death too many of his followers carried on his work with a lot of conviction.

Well you are half right there Paul.

Jesus Christ definately wasn't the son of a poor carpenter, and neither was he himself a poor fisherman. He was in fact a quite wealthy and influential figure to his contemperaries, ( that's partly why people flocked him hear him speak and why he was afforded the highly exclusive education that he undoubtedly recieved ), and there is plenty of evidence to suggest he was in fact of royal blood.

In fact it wasn't the followers of Jesus inner ministry that eventually carried on his "church" but a relative outsider in the person of Sual, ( Paul ), who with the help of the Roman authorities helped spread an altered version of Jesus's strictures after years of deriding him as being a "false prophet"

[Linkster]

There were thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people with that name back then - very common name which is the argument most religious people are questioning the tomb story

Of course to answer the original question - if you believe in religion then I guess you would have an opinion one way or the other - but since I believe religion is just a good way to keep the sheep tended to and only those without a mind to think for themselves are stupid enough to believe in the fairy tales - I will continue to not give a shit one way or the other - although it will be fun watching the idiots fall all over themselves on both sides

[MidnightJackson]

It makes sense that it maybe the coffin of Jesus, because Jesus was never labled " The Son of God " until after the council of Nicea 325 A.D at which time the roman emperor Constantine a pagan, formed what is now modern day christianity, the first bible wasnt even written til after this event and every decision on what to include in the bible was political, to prevent further war between the christians and romans. Christianity is the most pagan religion in the world. Pagan festivals were replaced with christian stories to keep the peace. Ever wonder where easter comes from? has nothing to do with Jesus, the pagan goddess of fertility Ishtar, eggs??? symbol of fertility.
Anyway Jesus was more than likely a very great prohet and very mortal. Somewhere between Christianity and Islam is the truth.

[xcitecash]

and just a few weeks before Easter... .....NICE

[teg0]

Who cares. It doesn't even matter because no matter what religious leaders will denounce it.

[Agent 488]

read up on it. most scholars think it's a joke for a variety of reasons.

[Connor]

Originally Posted by aico

I don't think it matters if they found it or not, no one will believe it, it's human nature.

I think it's true that we will never know... unless relics from a variety of sources pop up and somehow they are able to match DNA in all cases to the DNA in this tomb. THAT would be a compelling case. I saw in the Time article that they did in fact perform some DNA tests on the remains in this tomb to determine probablilities about the relationships between some of the buried. I'm not sure how accurate that information is at this point, or if there are any other supposed relics that contain body fluids or tissue. But if I had to bet, I'd say we'll never know for sure if this was the tomb of the man who inspired Christianity.

That said... even if it COULD be proven scientificilly that this is THAT Jesus and his family... why do I get the feeling the church would STILL deny it, and most if its followers would willfully choose to disbelieve the facts in front of them? Delusions do not die easily.

[wizhard]

Anyway Jesus was more than likely a very great prohet and very mortal. Somewhere between Christianity and Islam is the truth.

Again you are half right Midnightjackson.

The historical figure of Jesus Christ most definately was a mortal person, but as for him being a great prophet then I'm afraid the evidence points in the oppostite direction. History has obviously proven that Jesus's reputed fundamental prophesy of his return within the lifetime of his own diciples and the subsequent day of judgement for mankind never came to pass.

As this prophesy is one of the main tenents of Christianity then LOL, I suppose you could say that Christianity is a non-prophet making organisation.

[Connor]

Originally Posted by budsbabes

read up on it. most scholars think it's a joke for a variety of reasons.

When someone makes a claim that is rather sensational -- and let's face it, right or wrong if you say you found the tomb of Jesus Christ that is sensational -- scholars tend to error on the side of caution. Few in the academic world want to lose credibility by being associated with sensational claims. I've read both sides of the coin on this one, and best I can figure, neither side can claim conclusively that theirs is correct. For example, the doubters claim that one of the names was not associated with Mary Magdalane until something like 138 AD, and that it is traced to a scholar at that time who first used it to refer to her -- well after this tomb would have been created and its inhabitants buried. But scholars should also know that sometimes they THINK the root of something starts at one time, but later find out the roots go back further. On the other hand, the whole thing certainly could be just a big coincidence. But it makes for interesting reading nonetheless.

[Phoenix]

he was a tall smart guy...spoke a bunch of languages and would tell villages not to drink water from wherer they shit

wollah miracle worker

[Got Porn?]

They found a mural of Jesus on the wall. It must be his tomb!

[pornguy]

There was a person named Jesus, and he was put up on a cross, and he did have followers. There is proof of that. But what they followed him for, and what he was preaching/teaching, there is no docs on.

There is even a copy of an arrest warrant for him. It is in Rome, and protected by the church, because it gives his description, and they dont want that getting out.

Check out the book Hyram Key. it talks about all of it.

[Splum]

Regardless of what you think you are in the minority because 2000+ years later half the population on this planet believe in him in a religious context. Simply put there are many geniuses around the world with intellects far superior to any of you that believe in Jesus.
Whatever you think or believe it doesnt matter because Jesus is greater and more powerful than any of us, whether he be mere mortal or not is not the question he still shapes this planet this very day.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Splum

Regardless of what you think you are in the minority because 2000+ years later because half the population on this planet believe in him in a religious context. Simply put there are many geniuses around the world with intellects far superior to any of you that believe in Jesus.
Whatever you think or believe it doesnt matter because Jesus is greater and more powerful than any of us, whether he be mere mortal or not is not the question he still shapes this planet this very day.

now i understand how you are so keen to bleieve bush and his bible thumpers

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

now i understand how you are so keen to bleieve bush and his bible thumpers

How does half the worlds population believe in Jesus apply to me?

Simply put as the great Jack Nicholson said once "you cant handle the truth"

[StuartD]

Yeah... whether he had any divine powers or not, what it comes down to was that he was/is the biggest cult leader that the planet has ever seen.

Was he real? Who knows, but why not?
Was he really the son of a God? Very doubtful but again, who knows.

So the question is, does proving that he existed really prove that he was the son of a God? No. Infact, in my mind... finding his rotted corpse somewhere kinda proves the opposite. No son of a God should be reduced to worm food.

Did they find his tomb? Possibly yes, possibly no... will society be convinced of anything any more either which way? No, I don't think much would change.

[RawAlex]

The problem with all of this is simple. If you believe in "Jesus" and bought all that comes with it (Christian version) then you have to say this isn't true. Accepting this as Jesus' final resting place would be a direct admission that he didn't "return", but rather was just a man like other men, who died and was buried.

If you don't believe in Jesus, god, and all the Christian hoo-ha, well, then you just don't really give a shit what they found.

As a result, there is very little interest in the world for this to be a true find, because it helps nobody, and won't change the minds of the religious one bit.

Do you think that 30% of the world population wants to know that they might as well have been praying to their dog's ass for the last 2000 years?

[SxDx]

yes. i also believe in the easter bunny and the tooth fairy.

[wizhard]

Originally Posted by Splum

Regardless of what you think you are in the minority because 2000+ years later half the population on this planet believe in him in a religious context. Simply put there are many geniuses around the world with intellects far superior to any of you that believe in Jesus.
Whatever you think or believe it doesnt matter because Jesus is greater and more powerful than any of us, whether he be mere mortal or not is not the question he still shapes this planet this very day.

What a strange post. You seem to be saying contradictory things here.

Jesus was a great person with an education in wisdom and esoteric subjects that even by modern standards was quite awsome, but rememeber he is dead and gone. It is in fact only the manipulated facts of him and his life that have carried his reputation through to the modern era.

For those that blindly belive the ridiculous fairy tale of propogander about him peddled for centuries by a cynical and manipulative church, then I can only hope that as more and more evidence emerges regarding the truth about him it will eventually lead to a worldwide enlightenment and maybe a little more peace and tolerance.

[pornpf69]

who is jesus?

[bizarredollars]

Jesus is my favourite fictional character.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by wizhard

What a strange post. You seem to be saying contradictory things here.

The statistical fact that more than half the worlds population believes in Jesus is a strange and contradictory post? I fail to see how you can dispute the fact that a man 2000+ years passed from this earth has greater influence on this world than even its greatest leaders. Simply put Jesus has wielded more powers in his life and death than any person ever to exist, good AND bad. You seem to simply dismiss the good will that comes from MOST religious organizations and focus on the extremism. To most of the rest of the world people like YOU are the ones that are strange and contradictory.

[TBrown]

Jesus, Maria and Joseph were the most popular names that time (70-20BC)

they made statistics and there was a few hundred jesus with a dad called Joseph......

[Splum]

Originally Posted by adpayoutbrown

Jesus, Maria and Joseph were the most popular names that time (70-20BC) they made statistics and there was a few hundred jesus with a dad called Joseph......

Indeed and one of the tombs they associate with the name Mary Magdalene had only a nickname on it that people called her hundreds of years after her death. I suspect this is an ancient hoax. Antiquities were popular items in the years following Christianities rise, seems like it may have come from someone trying to cash in on Jesus fame at the time.

[Azoy?]

who gives a flying fuck ?
his mom was a whore who was embarrassed to say she was fucking around all the guys in town so she said it was a miracle and at the end of the day he was if you like it or not a jewish guy so all those who pray to him actually are praying to a jewish guy.
i guess jewish people are the chosen once and are better then everyone else after all most of the world's population prays to one.
i don't as i don't believe in him, his view or what he stood for but to each his own as their is freedom of religion.
at the end of the day we are all left wondering, was she a good fuck as everyone in town did her and did his mother spit or swallow and would she do DP in a porno ?

[wizhard]

Originally Posted by Splum

The statistical fact that more than half the worlds population believes in Jesus is a strange and contradictory post? I fail to see how you can dispute the fact that a man 2000+ years passed from this earth has greater influence on this world than even its greatest leaders. Simply put Jesus has wielded more powers in his life and death than any person ever to exist, good AND bad. You seem to simply dismiss the good will that comes from MOST religious organizations and focus on the extremism. To most of the rest of the world people like YOU are the ones that are strange and contradictory.

Erm yeah, probably best if answer this in sections..

The statistical fact that more than half the worlds population believes in Jesus is a strange and contradictory post? I fail to see how you can dispute the fact that a man 2000+ years passed from this earth has greater influence on this world than even its greatest leaders.

I never disputed your quoted statistics. What I found contradictory in your post was these two statements ;

Regardless of what you think you are in the minority because 2000+ years later half the population on this planet believe in him in a religious context.

Whatever you think or believe it doesnt matter because Jesus is greater and more powerful than any of us

"Is" more powerfull Splum ? - first you seem to aknowledge the fact that he is dead and gone and next you seem to be saying that he is still with us in some way.

Jesus has wielded more powers in his life and death than any person ever to exist, good AND bad.

Tell me then Splum - what powers has Jesus wielded since his death ? - or are you saying that he is still with us in some way ?

whether he be mere mortal or not is not the question he still shapes this planet this very day.

Sorry but you are totally wrong here splum. The question of the claimed resurection and acension is one of the fundamental tenents of Christianity. If Jesus's mortal remains are found on this planet then it throws a huge and very embarrasing spanner in the works of Christianity.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by wizhard

"Is" more powerfull Splum ? - first you seem to aknowledge the fact that he is dead and gone and next you seem to be saying that he is still with us in some way.
Tell me then Splum - what powers has Jesus wielded since his death ? - or are you saying that he is still with us in some way ?

You deny Jesus powerful influence in the modern era? I would say that he is "still with us in some way". YOU just contradicted yourself in the statement above.

Originally Posted by wizhard

Sorry but you are totally wrong here splum. The question of the claimed resurection and acension is one of the fundamental tenents of Christianity. If Jesus's mortal remains are found on this planet then it throws a huge and very embarrasing spanner in the works of Christianity.

Dude you make no fucking sense lol how does your "rant" even apply to the statement I made above? Sounds to me like a bunch of simple mindless hatred coming from you and not looking at the facts. Jesus IS more powerful than anyone on this earth even to this day, over HALF of the WORLDs population reveres him 2000 years after his death. What part of that dont you understand?

[wizhard]

You deny Jesus powerful influence in the modern era? I would say that he is "still with us in some way". YOU just contradicted yourself in the statement above.

No I did'nt Splum. I mererly asked for you to clarify a part of your post that I found somewhat contradictory. The only way Jesus is still with us today is by two means ;

A. The christian church's teachings on his life and deeds.

B. The written historical record by his contemperaries and solid archealogical evidence.

Whilst answer A is being proven steadly wrong, answer B is being proven steadly wright. The problem here for many christians is that the facts that answer B is turning up doesn't suit their belifes and dogma's and tends to upset their lazy sensibilities.

Dude you make no fucking sense lol how does your "rant" even apply to the statement I made above? Sounds to me like a bunch of simple mindless hatred coming from you and not looking at the facts. Jesus IS more powerful than anyone on this earth even to this day, over HALF of the WORLDs population reveres him 2000 years after his death. What part of that dont you understand?

LOL, now here you are making very little sense at all and are probably letting your imagination run away with itself. Maybe you need to take a little break from the debate and calm down a little.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by wizhard

A. The christian church's teachings on his life and deeds.
B. The written historical record by his contemperaries and solid archealogical evidence.
Whilst answer A is being proven steadly wrong, answer B is being proven steadly wright. The problem here for many christians is that the facts that answer B is turning up doesn't suit their belifes and dogma's and tends to upset their lazy sensibilities.
LOL, now here you are making very little sense at all and are probably letting your imagination run away with itself. Maybe you need to take a little break from the debate and calm down a little.

I am not speaking LITERALLY about Jesus power, but Jesus(which is the BASIS of Christianity) still remains omnipotent in this day and age.
How would you know what is and isnt a problem for Christians? Christians have something called faith which you know very little about. It explains everything instantly without need for "physical scientific evidence".
See you are coming from the viewpoint of a "science" which is also a religion(but I digress thats another argument) and obviously you seem to think that with scientific evidence you can disband Christianity and make Christians atheists. What you fail to understand is that Christianity is such a perfect religion that nothing can physical can disprove it to its believers.
Learn what faith is and what it means then continue this conversation with me when you can acknowledge its power.

[wizhard]

Don't think I'm ignoring your last post splum but have to go out for a couple of hours and I will get back to this debate when I come back.

[Adultnet]

no idea...

[DutchTeenCash]

[ADL Colin]

Originally Posted by Splum

I am not speaking LITERALLY about Jesus power, but Jesus(which is the BASIS of Christianity) still remains omnipotent in this day and age.
How would you know what is and isnt a problem for Christians? Christians have something called faith which you know very little about. It explains everything instantly without need for "physical scientific evidence".
See you are coming from the viewpoint of a "science" which is also a religion(but I digress thats another argument) and obviously you seem to think that with scientific evidence you can disband Christianity and make Christians atheists. What you fail to understand is that Christianity is such a perfect religion that nothing can physical can disprove it to its believers.
Learn what faith is and what it means then continue this conversation with me when you can acknowledge its power.

FAITH, n.
Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel.

[EroticyChrissy]

Wow touchy subject. I didn't know religion has a place in this forum. Everyone believes something different. I accept that. For me, ignorance is unaccepting of something different. To each their own.

[cherrylula]

Yes, but let's not kill the largest industry ever now. Christianity sells.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by Historic Erotica

exactly correct..religion is used to manipulate people to be worried about tomorrow and what will happen after there body dies..easy, think about tomorrow probably not worrying or doing anything about today..

I always looked at religion as being a way to tell people how to think and act much like the bill of rights and the constitution, etc. I feel that it was probably useful before there was government, police, and laws to control the masses.

[Lacerto]

Jesus was a man, but he was not the son of god. There is no god. Something that doesnt exist cant have a son...