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maddox · 02-26-2007, 11:59 AM

I hear rumors that Epassporte can get into trouble for processing gambling, I heard it from many sources. I was told that some affiliate programs already stopped paying affiliates with epassporte because they are worried to loose money loaded to their epass account (the programs include but are not limited to GTS, SubmitPass). I make a lot of epassporte payments from my affiliate program and I always keep a lof of money on epass, so I am worried. did you hear anything about these problems?

jimthefiend · 02-26-2007, 12:00 PM

There is no money in Epass.

Agent 488 · 02-26-2007, 12:00 PM

go to google news and search "epassporte".

JD · 02-26-2007, 12:01 PM

i get my $ out just as fast as it goes in

Tat2Jr · 02-26-2007, 12:02 PM

Get ur money out while you can

maddox · 02-26-2007, 12:03 PM

OMG it really looks bad

((

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ne...nG=Search+News

I am worried now, can any aff program owners chime in? Will you stop paying with epassporte?

Jman · 02-26-2007, 12:05 PM

Hummm does this mean Chris Mallick is risking Jail time

Agent 488 · 02-26-2007, 12:06 PM

i love epass but US law makers are being asses.

maddox · 02-26-2007, 12:10 PM

it's hard for me to believe that such a trusted program like epass would be so stupid

and it seems nobody else heard such rumours here (beside me)

Agent 488 · 02-26-2007, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maddox

it's hard for me to believe that such a trusted program like epass would be so stupid

and it seems nobody else heard such rumours here (beside me)

search gfy - there was a lot of chatter a few days ago about such subjects.

Shoehorn! · 02-26-2007, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maddox

OMG it really looks bad

((

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ne...nG=Search+News

I am worried now, can any aff program owners chime in? Will you stop paying with epassporte?

Not good.

I recently offered Epassporte as an option for affiliates to get paid by, but now I am considering not having it. Espescially with the recent problems DukeDollars encountered with it.

maddox · 02-26-2007, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by budsbabes

search gfy - there was a lot of chatter a few days ago about such subjects.

I read GFY daily, all threads I remember were about stolen and missing money from the accounts, not about epass and gambling

fr0gman · 02-26-2007, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMan

Hummm does this mean Chris Mallick is risking Jail time

Loose the funds of the right person and he could be risking hospital time.

BlackCrayon · 02-26-2007, 12:29 PM

if epass gets fucked because of gambling i am going to be so pissed. i use them every fucking day! why risk so much when you making so much money to begin with?

Barefootsies · 02-26-2007, 12:32 PM

themonk · 02-26-2007, 12:33 PM

they work with adult payments .. what is wrong with gambling

PornMySex · 02-26-2007, 12:43 PM

I hear they kept 250.000 dollars from an honest gambling site.

Also, for example you can use epassporte to deposit money to Absolute Poker.

If they still accept doing business with gambling companies, Us gov will get them down. I hope Chris Mallick will make a statement very soon.

adultchica · 02-26-2007, 01:04 PM

Where is epassporte based out of?

I love epassporte, hope they can keep things under control

maddox · 02-26-2007, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adultchica

Where is epassporte based out of?

I love epassporte, hope they can keep things under control

Curacao, Netherland Antilles, however it does not matter, I am sure US gov can kill them even if they will be located on the polar circle

This would belovely to see a statement from Chris Mallick, cause I am seriously worried

split_joel · 02-26-2007, 01:56 PM

LOL this should be good

tranza · 02-26-2007, 02:16 PM

Errr.... They are not an US company, US laws don't apply.

Are you guys dumb or what?

tranza · 02-26-2007, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maddox

Curacao, Netherland Antilles, however it does not matter, I am sure US gov can kill them even if they will be located on the polar circle

This would belovely to see a statement from Chris Mallick, cause I am seriously worried

Lol, are you for real???

So you think that the US goverment can throw you in jail for breaking their laws, even though you live on another country??

TheSenator · 02-26-2007, 02:18 PM

Getting my money out now and changing my theyway I get paid from affiliates.

maddox · 02-26-2007, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranza

Lol, are you for real???

So you think that the US goverment can throw you in jail for breaking their laws, even though you live on another country??

yes I am 100% sure of that, I will not even mention that Chris Malick the owner of epassporte is US citizen, they will jail him sooner or later and epassporte will go down with him

Agent 488 · 02-26-2007, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranza

So you think that the US goverment can throw you in jail for breaking their laws, even though you live on another country??

you're kidding right?

Agent 488 · 02-26-2007, 02:23 PM

if they can arrest these two:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Carruthers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Dicks

how hard would it be to arrest as US citizen?

Damian_Maxcash · 02-26-2007, 02:26 PM

I suppose it depends on how the US law is written....

Epass accounts are normally funded from the US and then those funds are used for gambling.

If the US Law-makers foresaw this loophole then I think they could at least stop people funding Epass accounts via the US banking system.

Epass I am sure have looked into it and know the score better than anyone here.

Agent 488 · 02-26-2007, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by damian2001

I suppose it depends on how the US law is written....

Epass accounts are normally funded from the US and then those funds are used for gambling.

If the US Law-makers foresaw this loophole then I think they could at least stop people funding Epass accounts via the US banking system.

Epass I am sure have looked into it and know the score better than anyone here.

that they are the last company left doing it should raise some eyebrows.

and if US banks stop allowing companies to load money into their epass accounts a la duke dollars it will be all over anyway.

WhiplashDug · 02-26-2007, 02:30 PM

Its not that the US can touch non-US citizens, or non-US companies - it's that with the current global political situations, it may be the the US justice department makes deals with host nations to disrupt certain types of business since those countires still want US aid money - but don't support the US foreign policies. So, anything is possible in this climate as countires not willing to stand with the US on most policies - but still want the financial aid.

Damian_Maxcash · 02-26-2007, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by budsbabes

that they are the last company left doing it should raise some eyebrows.

and if US banks stop allowing companies to load money into their epass accounts a la duke dollars it will be all over anyway.

I actually hadnt seen that DukeDollars thread - I wonder if the banks are doing it on their own or if they have been told to do it?

tranza · 02-26-2007, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by budsbabes

you're kidding right?

No I'm not. For example, there's no law here in Brazil about 2257 documents (2257 is an american law).

So if the FBI knocked on my door, here in Sao Paulo, asking for 2257 documents I could tell them to go fuck themselves, they could never arrest me.

What they could do is take my sites down if they were hosted on american servers, or even ban my sites from the US (which is easily done).

tranza · 02-26-2007, 02:39 PM

Let me turn this the other way around.

Porn sites are forbidden in China. Could the Chinese Goverment arrest you because you have a porn site accessible from China?

No they could not, because you live in the US and US laws apply.

They could, and do, ban your site from Chinese access.

Kimo · 02-26-2007, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranza

Let me turn this the other way around.

Porn sites are forbidden in China. Could the Chinese Goverment arrest you because you have a porn site accessible from China?

No they could not, because you live in the US and US laws apply.

They could, and do, ban your site from Chinese access.

epassporte has a US office and US presence and does business in the US so yes they can be held liable to US law

tranza · 02-26-2007, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kimo

epassporte has a US office and US presence and does business in the US so yes they can be held liable to US law

You see, THAT I did not know.

So yes, they could be fucked.

ztik · 02-26-2007, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maddox

Curacao, Netherland Antilles, however it does not matter, I am sure US gov can kill them even if they will be located on the polar circle

This would belovely to see a statement from Chris Mallick, cause I am seriously worried

Yeah, they have a US office too. So its even easier to get them

volante · 02-26-2007, 02:50 PM

Many casinos have stopped accepting Epassporte recently.

TinyTim · 02-26-2007, 02:53 PM

epassporte is a great company

Damian_Maxcash · 02-26-2007, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kimo

epassporte has a US office and US presence and does business in the US so yes they can be held liable to US law

Isnt that just a call center?

1000s of US and UK companies have call centers in India - does that mean the Indian Govt can shut down the US company if its business is illegal in India?

It seems to me they could close the call center but no more.....

MissEve · 02-26-2007, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

if epass gets fucked because of gambling i am going to be so pissed. i use them every fucking day! why risk so much when you making so much money to begin with?

When Neteller stopped processing for poker sites players scrambled to find an alternative means to fund their accounts. I think epassporte picked up the majority of those customers. I would imagine that the amount of money they are making from adult is a drop in the bucket in comparison.

twoplustwo.com is a huge poker forum that has tons of threads about epass if you want info from the online poker community. I think the biggest lesson everyone can learn from the Neteller debacle is to not leave large amounts of money in your account!

breaker · 02-26-2007, 03:00 PM

So we're back to square one with obsolete slow & expensive checks again?

Damian_Maxcash · 02-26-2007, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by breaker

So we're back to square one with obsolete slow & expensive checks again?

Bad news for the smaller progs that pay Epass......

Dozens of small Epass payments are fine

If I have to go back to wires or even worse checks then I dont want a dozen small ones - Its just not worth it. I will have to push my traffic to one or 2 bigger progs.

Vick! · 02-26-2007, 03:06 PM

US laws are so sick! WTF is wrong in online gambling if there is nothing wrong in offline shit?

maddox · 02-26-2007, 03:46 PM

so I am wondering if we gonna get some clarification from epass, this silence is really worrying me

maddox · 02-26-2007, 08:35 PM

nothing...mmmkay

Juicy D. Links · 02-26-2007, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vick!

US laws are so sick! WTF is wrong in online gambling if there is nothing wrong in offline shit?

cause the govt dont get a cut of the action yo

tony286 · 02-26-2007, 08:43 PM

what my lawyer once told it doesnt matter where you have offices if the money comes back into america. You answer to american law.So basically if you want to go offshore you have to move offshore also to be protected.

jscott · 02-26-2007, 08:45 PM

Epass, can you please comment on this please?

This totally sucks, hopefully they can still resume normal business

kektex · 02-26-2007, 08:47 PM

World Police anyone?
http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_news/article/8111

Quote:

FBI Arrests Former NETELLER Executives
Stephen Lawrence and John Lefebvre Detained While Traveling Separately

Pay special attention to this last paragraph:

Quote:

NETELLER is based in the Isle of Man, and neither Lawrence nor Lefebvre is a U.S. citizen.

I don´t know where he lives, but Mallick better stay off US territory.

quantum-x · 02-26-2007, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranza

Lol, are you for real???

So you think that the US goverment can throw you in jail for breaking their laws, even though you live on another country??

Sad, but 100% true. Recent facts:

#1 - CEO of UK gambling site gets owned by the FBI on a TRANSIT stop through the USA

#2 - ex VP (I think) of a gambling site gets owned by the FBI on a transit stop through the USA

#3 - PirateBay

#4 - allofmp3.com

If you think the USA
a) Gives a fuck about anyone else
b) Doesn't think it's world police

then you're sadly, sadly mistaken

Forest · 02-26-2007, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by themonk

they work with adult payments .. what is wrong with gambling

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02-26-2007, 11:59 AM	#1
maddox Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 648	Epassporte getting into trouble for processing gambling I hear rumors that Epassporte can get into trouble for processing gambling, I heard it from many sources. I was told that some affiliate programs already stopped paying affiliates with epassporte because they are worried to loose money loaded to their epass account (the programs include but are not limited to GTS, SubmitPass). I make a lot of epassporte payments from my affiliate program and I always keep a lof of money on epass, so I am worried. did you hear anything about these problems?

02-26-2007, 12:00 PM	#2
jimthefiend So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: icq: 121189 Posts: 18,889	There is no money in Epass.

02-26-2007, 12:00 PM	#3
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	go to google news and search "epassporte".

02-26-2007, 12:01 PM	#4
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maddox Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 648	OMG it really looks bad (( http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ne...nG=Search+News I am worried now, can any aff program owners chime in? Will you stop paying with epassporte?

02-26-2007, 12:06 PM	#8
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	i love epass but US law makers are being asses.

02-26-2007, 12:10 PM	#9
maddox Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 648	it's hard for me to believe that such a trusted program like epass would be so stupid and it seems nobody else heard such rumours here (beside me)

02-26-2007, 12:43 PM	#17
PornMySex Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Earth Posts: 577	I hear they kept 250.000 dollars from an honest gambling site. Also, for example you can use epassporte to deposit money to Absolute Poker. If they still accept doing business with gambling companies, Us gov will get them down. I hope Chris Mallick will make a statement very soon.

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02-26-2007, 02:16 PM	#21
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02-26-2007, 02:23 PM	#26
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Damian_Maxcash So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: MaxCash.com Posts: 12,745	I suppose it depends on how the US law is written.... Epass accounts are normally funded from the US and then those funds are used for gambling. If the US Law-makers foresaw this loophole then I think they could at least stop people funding Epass accounts via the US banking system. Epass I am sure have looked into it and know the score better than anyone here.

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tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	Let me turn this the other way around. Porn sites are forbidden in China. Could the Chinese Goverment arrest you because you have a porn site accessible from China? No they could not, because you live in the US and US laws apply. They could, and do, ban your site from Chinese access. __________________ I'm just a newbie.

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02-26-2007, 08:35 PM	#44
maddox Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 648	nothing...mmmkay

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jscott So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Taipei Posts: 25,198	Epass, can you please comment on this please? This totally sucks, hopefully they can still resume normal business