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Jace · 03-08-2007, 01:43 AM

4 hours since this thread started, LOL....no changes

seriously man, I will do it FOR FREE for you if it is that difficult....

aico · 03-08-2007, 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace

4 hours since this thread started, LOL....no changes

seriously man, I will do it FOR FREE for you if it is that difficult....

You missed the part about it being good until March 11... he still has 3 days.

quantum-x · 03-08-2007, 01:56 AM

Jace, question - I was about to post about them using the default NATS code as well, but that's possibly because of their gimped setup to attempt to use NATS as their member management? Who knows.

Honestly, it's all fucked up. Mike69, what you're PRETENDING to do is NOT difficult.

If they're using NATS for member management, they should automatically cascade to CCBill, which would pick up the cookie. Amazing.

Mike69 · 03-08-2007, 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by modF

That would be the NATS default code for site id #1 when no affiliate code is passed. In other words, his.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCyber

It sickens me that nobody wants to respond or even recognize Jace's findings here.

Its only because he has no idea what he's talking about at all....

so why bother..

Mike69 · 03-08-2007, 02:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quantum-x

If they're using NATS for member management, they should automatically cascade to CCBill, which would pick up the cookie. Amazing.

We have a winner.... and there in lies the problem... Its not...

Jace · 03-08-2007, 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quantum-x

Jace, question - I was about to post about them using the default NATS code as well, but that's possibly because of their gimped setup to attempt to use NATS as their member management? Who knows.

Honestly, it's all fucked up. Mike69, what you're PRETENDING to do is NOT difficult.

If they're using NATS for member management, they should automatically cascade to CCBill, which would pick up the cookie. Amazing.

well, the ONLY situation I can see where this would be an honest mistake is if someone was SO NEW that they had no idea they had to import the ccbill data into nats, and instead they just did a simple html redirect to the new nats join page, thinking that would be enough to keep sales going for affiliates

but see, here is the thing, I talked to 4 people on icq that ALL know this Mike guy, and know he is smart and a very talented person, plus he has apparently been in adult for a long time...so, to blame this on a rookie or newbie mistake just doesn't cut it

Jace · 03-08-2007, 02:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike69

We have a winner.... and there in lies the problem... Its not...

wow, you actually have absolutely NO idea what you are doing, do you?

a meta refresh does not pass ANYTHING whatsoever man, nats importing the ccbill data is a detailed and time consuming process and has to be done very carefully....a simple html snippet on the top of the page won't do it man

jesus, all along I thought you really had a clue, but in reality you have no clue what you are doing...LOL...

Jace · 03-08-2007, 02:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike69

Its only because he has no idea what he's talking about at all....

so why bother..

really, and you do??? LOL

who has affiliates making sales and who doesn't? LOL

Jace · 03-08-2007, 02:17 AM

ccbill and NATS join pages need to be SEPERATE, period. if you have ccbill affiliates, they NEED to be hitting that ccbill join page, otherwise they won't get credit for sales

if you have affiliates pushing traffic through ccbill links and you are sending them to a NATS signup page like you are, the ccbill affiliates will NEVER get credit for those sales, as we have seen with the recent speaking up by affiliates that haven't had sales in a month or two

if you are moving from ccbill to nats, the best thing you can do is basically let the ccbill affiliates still use that ccbill join page and if they want to sign up under nats and use that join page, then fine, but don't take away the ccbill join page, you are cheating affiliates out of sales by doing that

Jace · 03-08-2007, 02:18 AM

and with that, I am done...I am not even sending traffic, and I tried to help at first, then got ignored and then laughed at, so I just am giving up

it was a 10 second fix so that affiliates can get sales again, but you don't care about that

Mike69 · 03-08-2007, 02:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace

and with that, I am done...I am not even sending traffic, and I tried to help at first, then got ignored and then laughed at, so I just am giving up

it was a 10 second fix so that affiliates can get sales again, but you don't care about that

see your not getting it...

Its not just the refresh, which was done just beacuse I was to lazy to go change all the links at the time. There is way more to it... what part of way more don't you get?

quantum-x · 03-08-2007, 02:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace

ccbill and NATS join pages need to be SEPERATE, period. if you have ccbill affiliates, they NEED to be hitting that ccbill join page, otherwise they won't get credit for sales

if you have affiliates pushing traffic through ccbill links and you are sending them to a NATS signup page like you are, the ccbill affiliates will NEVER get credit for those sales, as we have seen with the recent speaking up by affiliates that haven't had sales in a month or two

if you are moving from ccbill to nats, the best thing you can do is basically let the ccbill affiliates still use that ccbill join page and if they want to sign up under nats and use that join page, then fine, but don't take away the ccbill join page, you are cheating affiliates out of sales by doing that

There are ways to manage sites in NATs and CCBill only.
We do it for a few of our sites, so we can still honour 3 year old Raven link codes. As I posted above, it's NOT hard, you just need to know what you're doing. Furthermore, it's all done serverside, so it's transparent. No need for circlejerks.....

Mike69 · 03-08-2007, 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace

ccbill and NATS join pages need to be SEPERATE, period. if you have ccbill affiliates, they NEED to be hitting that ccbill join page, otherwise they won't get credit for sales

and you have no idea what your talking about.. where on the CCBill join form does it tell CCBill who the webmaster was..

Have a look at it.... Hit ESC before it refreshes and look at the code..

Mike69 · 03-08-2007, 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quantum-x

There are ways to manage sites in NATs and CCBill only.
We do it for a few of our sites, so we can still honour 3 year old Raven link codes. As I posted above, it's NOT hard, you just need to know what you're doing. Furthermore, it's all done serverside, so it's transparent. No need for circlejerks.....

Correct..

We had no intension of forcing webmaster to switch to Nats.. and at the current point, the Nats system has 0 affiliates in it.. it is simply being used to get quicker better stats and handle the membership stuff....

Whats going on will be made public tomorrow... you'll be surprised...

Screaming · 03-08-2007, 02:29 AM

honestly.. makes me go hmm

not that i was sending traffic or anything.. but still..

hmm

btw ash is hot, and if she would fuck me in real life, id let her keep 1 outta 10 sales.. no prob

just saying

Mike69 · 03-08-2007, 02:44 AM

Jace - Hit me up on ICQ ( 695150 ) and I'll fill you in on some stuff thats not public yet..

modF · 03-08-2007, 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike69

Its only because he has no idea what he's talking about at all....

so why bother..

Are you attempting to say that the info I provided you was incorrect?

PornoMonster · 03-09-2007, 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike69

Due to an error in the tracking system, some sales have not been credited to webmasters.

We do however, have all click stats. To resolve this issue we have decided to payout all webmasters
based on clicks sent. This will have no effect on your sales and rebill money, you will get the per click
payout on top of your regular CCBill payouts.

You will be paid on your clicks from Dec 15 2006 - March 11 2007

Please check your email address you have registered with CCBill for more details.

Checked Email
We will be paying 1.5 cents per click on the clicks into the CCBill system

WHAT A JOKE
From the start of Promotion till Dec 14, 2006 I am 1:180
From Dec 15, 2006 I am 0:620
1.5 Cents per click ????

I think I would rather have my SALES, and Rebills if they are as good as you say they are...we all know thats not true....

PornoMonster · 03-10-2007, 11:08 AM

Wow a few minute fix, and it was just NOW done in the last few hours..

Take out the refresh ........ wow so easy

and dont play, it is complicated, thing 2 do...

If you say something like that, I will tell them how to see past the BS...

KrisKross · 03-10-2007, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike69

Correct..

We had no intension of forcing webmaster to switch to Nats.. and at the current point, the Nats system has 0 affiliates in it.. it is simply being used to get quicker better stats and handle the membership stuff....

Whats going on will be made public tomorrow... you'll be surprised...

So where's the groundbreaking drama that was supposed to have been made public yesterday?

Quickdraw · 03-10-2007, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornoMonster

Wow a few minute fix, and it was just NOW done in the last few hours..

Take out the refresh ........ wow so easy

and dont play, it is complicated, thing 2 do...

If you say something like that, I will tell them how to see past the BS...

Still looks broken to me
*0

pocketkangaroo · 03-10-2007, 01:23 PM

So are they still shaving or is that part fixed?

Mike69 · 03-10-2007, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornoMonster

Wow a few minute fix, and it was just NOW done in the last few hours..

Take out the refresh ........ wow so easy

and dont play, it is complicated, thing 2 do...

If you say something like that, I will tell them how to see past the BS...

Pulling the redirect disables the Nats membership system.

Go ahead.. explain how easy it is to stip out the Nats Membership control system and rewrite another. Sorry its not .htaccess

Mike69 · 03-10-2007, 01:41 PM

There was no intentional "scam" here... despite what some would like you to believe...

Heres what happened.....

We had Nats installed and decided to use the Nats membership system right away.

This required sending joins through Nats...

In CCBill admin there is a column "Referral Sales"... after the change this looked normal...

Every time an affiliate makes a sale, we get an email.. looked normal...

We don't payout on CCBill affiliates, CCBill does the payouts...

But what did happen was Nats is sending CCBill a bogus Refer ID..

and CCBill allows the refer id in the cookie to be ignored if this is done.

The membership control system has been rewritten, and the Meta Refresh has been removed.

Intentional "scam" no way.... system glitch yes..

And we are making up for it.

Mike69 · 03-10-2007, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornoMonster

Checked Email
We will be paying 1.5 cents per click on the clicks into the CCBill system

WHAT A JOKE
From the start of Promotion till Dec 14, 2006 I am 1:180
From Dec 15, 2006 I am 0:620
1.5 Cents per click ????

I think I would rather have my SALES, and Rebills if they are as good as you say they are...we all know thats not true....

Send me your affiliate ID and we'll make good on it....

pocketkangaroo · 03-10-2007, 02:00 PM

If there was no scam, how do you explain not noticing that your affiliates weren't making any sales at all?

tenderobject · 03-10-2007, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

If there was no scam, how do you explain not noticing that your affiliates weren't making any sales at all?

why would they bother? :P

that chick is really hot though

Mike69 · 03-10-2007, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

If there was no scam, how do you explain not noticing that your affiliates weren't making any sales at all?

In CCBill admin there is a column "Referral Sales"... after the change this looked normal...

Every time an affiliate makes a sale, we get an email.. looked normal...

also.. after watching for a while... I stopped looking...

I don't own the program... so I don't watch stats with baited breath every day

Quickdraw · 03-10-2007, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quickdraw

Still looks broken to me
*0

Are you saying it is fixed?

Mike69 · 03-10-2007, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quickdraw

Are you saying it is fixed?

Yes it is....

Mike69 · 03-10-2007, 02:13 PM

If anyone is still seeing the "*0" (the ID that Nats sends to CCBill) please post the link here... I will fix it right away...

Quickdraw · 03-10-2007, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike69

Yes it is....

You might check again. It seems to still be broken in IE and Firefox for me..
ccbill_referer value='*0'

PornoMonster · 03-10-2007, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike69

Pulling the redirect disables the Nats membership system.

Go ahead.. explain how easy it is to stip out the Nats Membership control system and rewrite another. Sorry its not .htaccess

Well since your a seasoned programmer, that should sum it up....

But, let just say, You might not be able to get your stats in NATS, BFD atleast the affiliates would of still been paid since you say Dec 06.

.htaccess on the sites with
both htpasswd and database-based authentication

PornoMonster · 03-10-2007, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike69

In CCBill admin there is a column "Referral Sales"... after the change this looked normal...

Every time an affiliate makes a sale, we get an email.. looked normal...

also.. after watching for a while... I stopped looking...

I don't own the program... so I don't watch stats with baited breath every day

I have seen the CCBILL Emails

When a sale is made you get
New Subscription 01070xxxxxxx (as the subject)

You didnt notice the drop in emails???

and if an affiliate made the sale you get this also
A web partner has made a sale (as the subject line.)

You BOTH don't login and see WOW same sales or you said sales are even DOWN, and my Checks are BIGGER...
You dont check to see where your affiliates are sending sales from, just to see or check and see if it is Legal and so on???

Wow....

Mike69 · 03-10-2007, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornoMonster

I have seen the CCBILL Emails

When a sale is made you get
New Subscription 01070xxxxxxx (as the subject)

You didnt notice the drop in emails???

and if an affiliate made the sale you get this also
A web partner has made a sale (as the subject line.)

You BOTH don't login and see WOW same sales or you said sales are even DOWN, and my Checks are BIGGER...
You dont check to see where your affiliates are sending sales from, just to see or check and see if it is Legal and so on???

Wow....

I don't own the program... so I don't watch stats with baited breath every day

TMM_John · 03-10-2007, 02:26 PM

I just reviewed this with Mike now and all appears to be fixed. This issue arose originally from an attempt to use half of NATS and half of CCBill. Mike has now moved the system to use CCBill only and when the move to NATS is made it will be done 100% so this issue does not repeat itself. If anyone finds any further issues with the system please contact Mike and he'll be glad to address the problem with you.

Mike69 · 03-10-2007, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornoMonster

and my Checks are BIGGER...

I don't get checks !!!.. I don't own it... What part don't you understand....

PornoMonster · 03-10-2007, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike69

I don't get checks !!!.. I don't own it... What part don't you understand....

You Might not OWN it, But lets see your moving it to your Domain / Program without veiwing any stats????

Then where is the OWNER ??????????????
The owner have nothing to say on this????? Or just enjoying the Checks???

I am sure that person will say, I thought my programmer was watching it...

But, I heard you were partners.... Was going to have a huge contract signed! Even move to your CCBILL or atleast your domain / program well seems that part is taking place....

TTiger · 03-10-2007, 02:57 PM

my ratio with ashcash so far.. 0:6274 im promoting your site for 2 mouth now and never get a sale!

Quickdraw · 03-10-2007, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

I just reviewed this with Mike now and all appears to be fixed. This issue arose originally from an attempt to use half of NATS and half of CCBill. Mike has now moved the system to use CCBill only and when the move to NATS is made it will be done 100% so this issue does not repeat itself. If anyone finds any further issues with the system please contact Mike and he'll be glad to address the problem with you.

Just checked 3 browsers Netscape, Firefox, and IE-- All still have the *0 affiliate

As far as what site, I looked for Ashley Brookes on Google, and found affiliates sites via that channel.

Goodluck with it

TMM_John · 03-10-2007, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quickdraw

Just checked 3 browsers Netscape, Firefox, and IE-- All still have the *0 affiliate

As far as what site, I looked for Ashley Brookes on Google, and found affiliates sites via that channel.

Goodluck with it

Can you show me a link where this is happening?

Thanks

Quickdraw · 03-10-2007, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

Can you show me a link where this is happening?

Thanks

http://www.likethesex.com/ashleybrookes/shaving/ is one page that has a banner to the program

pornpf69 · 03-10-2007, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TTiger

my ratio with ashcash so far.. 0:6274 im promoting your site for 2 mouth now and never get a sale!

this doesnt sounds like good stats....

Mike69 · 03-10-2007, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornoMonster

You Might not OWN it, But lets see your moving it to your Domain / Program without veiwing any stats????

Then where is the OWNER ??????????????
The owner have nothing to say on this????? Or just enjoying the Checks???

I am sure that person will say, I thought my programmer was watching it...

But, I heard you were partners.... Was going to have a huge contract signed! Even move to your CCBILL or atleast your domain / program well seems that part is taking place....

Don't believe everything Mutt tells you .....

Some of that was true... the last time I spoke to Mutt, almost a year ago..

Things change.....

and who or why I turn one of my domains over to someone else is none of your business..

Stop being a drama hound.... at this point your beating a dead horse...

The fixs are in place... I offered to make good on your affiliate payouts, not that I believe for one second that you are an affiliate...

Everything that needs to be said or explained, has been...

You can keep posting, but you won't get any more responces...
so have fun... get that post count up...

TMM_John · 03-10-2007, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quickdraw

http://www.likethesex.com/ashleybrookes/shaving/ is one page that has a banner to the program

This appears to be pointing at a faulty tour. The main join link on that tour seems to point at nothing and the smaller join links seem to point at a NATS join link. I am addressing this with Mike.

Mike69 · 03-10-2007, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quickdraw

http://www.likethesex.com/ashleybrookes/shaving/ is one page that has a banner to the program

yup and its working just fine

ccbill_referer value='1274502'

Mike69 · 03-10-2007, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quickdraw

http://www.likethesex.com/ashleybrookes/shaving/ is one page that has a banner to the program

ok ty.. I see some of the links still goto Nats.. fixing now...

Thanks for posting....

PornoMonster · 03-10-2007, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quickdraw

http://www.likethesex.com/ashleybrookes/shaving/ is one page that has a banner to the program

Wow, perfect name "shaving" HEHE just thought it was funny!

But I checked and this one
http://www.ashleybrookes.com/tour_main/

Quickdraw · 03-10-2007, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike69

yup and its working just fine

ccbill_referer value='1274502'

Interesting, tried 2 different computers, multiple browsers on each and still getting it.

FTR, I'm not an affiliate, just trying to help and learn a few things along the way

Mutt · 03-10-2007, 03:25 PM

the link on that gallery is to http://random.ashleybrookes.com which runs through all the tours randomly - this tour is still not fixed http://www.ashleybrookes.com/tour_main

03-08-2007, 02:29 AM	#65
Screaming I can change this!!!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 18,972	honestly.. makes me go hmm not that i was sending traffic or anything.. but still.. hmm btw ash is hot, and if she would fuck me in real life, id let her keep 1 outta 10 sales.. no prob just saying __________________

03-10-2007, 02:26 PM	#86
TMM_John Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 6,658	I just reviewed this with Mike now and all appears to be fixed. This issue arose originally from an attempt to use half of NATS and half of CCBill. Mike has now moved the system to use CCBill only and when the move to NATS is made it will be done 100% so this issue does not repeat itself. If anyone finds any further issues with the system please contact Mike and he'll be glad to address the problem with you. __________________ Skype: JohnA1078 Too Much Media - Makers of the Industry's Leading Payite Management Platform, NATS!

03-10-2007, 02:57 PM	#89
TTiger Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: quebec, canada Posts: 3,030	my ratio with ashcash so far.. 0:6274 im promoting your site for 2 mouth now and never get a sale! __________________

03-10-2007, 03:25 PM	#100
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	the link on that gallery is to http://random.ashleybrookes.com which runs through all the tours randomly - this tour is still not fixed http://www.ashleybrookes.com/tour_main __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

03-08-2007, 01:43 AM	#51
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	4 hours since this thread started, LOL....no changes seriously man, I will do it FOR FREE for you if it is that difficult....

03-08-2007, 01:56 AM	#53
quantum-x Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ICQ: 251425 Fr/Au/Ca Posts: 6,863	Jace, question - I was about to post about them using the default NATS code as well, but that's possibly because of their gimped setup to attempt to use NATS as their member management? Who knows. Honestly, it's all fucked up. Mike69, what you're PRETENDING to do is NOT difficult. If they're using NATS for member management, they should automatically cascade to CCBill, which would pick up the cookie. Amazing.

03-08-2007, 02:17 AM	#59
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	ccbill and NATS join pages need to be SEPERATE, period. if you have ccbill affiliates, they NEED to be hitting that ccbill join page, otherwise they won't get credit for sales if you have affiliates pushing traffic through ccbill links and you are sending them to a NATS signup page like you are, the ccbill affiliates will NEVER get credit for those sales, as we have seen with the recent speaking up by affiliates that haven't had sales in a month or two if you are moving from ccbill to nats, the best thing you can do is basically let the ccbill affiliates still use that ccbill join page and if they want to sign up under nats and use that join page, then fine, but don't take away the ccbill join page, you are cheating affiliates out of sales by doing that

03-08-2007, 02:18 AM	#60
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	and with that, I am done...I am not even sending traffic, and I tried to help at first, then got ignored and then laughed at, so I just am giving up it was a 10 second fix so that affiliates can get sales again, but you don't care about that

03-08-2007, 02:44 AM	#66
Mike69 Canadian, nuff said eh? Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Under the coffee maker! Posts: 755	Jace - Hit me up on ICQ ( 695150 ) and I'll fill you in on some stuff thats not public yet..

03-10-2007, 11:08 AM	#69
PornoMonster Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 2,257	Wow a few minute fix, and it was just NOW done in the last few hours.. Take out the refresh ........ wow so easy and dont play, it is complicated, thing 2 do... If you say something like that, I will tell them how to see past the BS...

03-10-2007, 01:23 PM	#72
pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	So are they still shaving or is that part fixed?

03-10-2007, 01:41 PM	#74
Mike69 Canadian, nuff said eh? Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Under the coffee maker! Posts: 755	There was no intentional "scam" here... despite what some would like you to believe... Heres what happened..... We had Nats installed and decided to use the Nats membership system right away. This required sending joins through Nats... In CCBill admin there is a column "Referral Sales"... after the change this looked normal... Every time an affiliate makes a sale, we get an email.. looked normal... We don't payout on CCBill affiliates, CCBill does the payouts... But what did happen was Nats is sending CCBill a bogus Refer ID.. and CCBill allows the refer id in the cookie to be ignored if this is done. The membership control system has been rewritten, and the Meta Refresh has been removed. Intentional "scam" no way.... system glitch yes.. And we are making up for it.

03-10-2007, 02:00 PM	#76
pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	If there was no scam, how do you explain not noticing that your affiliates weren't making any sales at all?

03-10-2007, 02:13 PM	#81
Mike69 Canadian, nuff said eh? Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Under the coffee maker! Posts: 755	If anyone is still seeing the "*0" (the ID that Nats sends to CCBill) please post the link here... I will fix it right away...