The world's most fucked up picture - ( PICTURE )

[KingK7]

I have seen it all. Down to people amputating their cock, shitting in their face and eating horsecocks... Just one of those things after 10 years in this biz...

This picture keeps haunting me though.

In March 1993 Carter made a trip to southern Sudan with intentions of documenting the local rebel movement. However, upon arriving and witnessing the horror of the famine, Carter began to take photographs of starving victims. The sound of soft, high-pitched whimpering near the village of Ayod attracted Carter to a young emaciated Sudanese toddler. The girl had stopped to rest while struggling to a feeding center, wherein a seemingly well-fed vulture had landed nearby. He said that he waited about 20 minutes, hoping that the vulture would spread its wings. It didn't. Carter snapped the haunting photograph and chased the vulture away. However, he also came under heavy criticism for just photographing ? and not helping ? the girl:

"The man adjusting his lens to take just the right frame of her suffering might just as well be a predator, another vulture on the scene." [2]

Carter committed suicide on july 27th 2004.

[TigerDragon]

sadly

[aztecboi2003]

Wow that's a very powerful image

[Spunky]

It is disturbing indeed..It's really a shame the world has seemed to ignore the problem and turned it's back on them

[CaptainHowdy]

!!

[stickyfingerz]

Why wouldnt you pick the girl up and take her to get help.

[KingK7]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Why wouldnt you pick the girl up and take her to get help.

Yeah, like the wiki article says, he got alot of flak over that.

It is a kid. For me it is uncomprehensible how people can not help kids in need, no matter what.

[VeriSexy]

Damn..........

[porno jew]

who knows what the real story is?

[KingK7]

Originally Posted by porno jew

who knows what the real story is?

Hard to say why that guy killed himself afterwards. His buddy got killed just before, but it is said that the memory of this girl stuck with him.

[KingK7]

Wonder if that girl survived...

[porno jew]

Portions of Carter's suicide note read:

"I am depressed ... without phone ... money for rent ... money for child support ... money for debts ... money!!"

[Splum]

When you snap a picture of a life or death event and you do nothing to change it even though you could you are a KILLER.

[BlueDesignStudios]

it's very easy to attack the guy.. especially now that he's dead.

But he would have seen and photographed millions of starving people - perhaps that changes you - how can we judge, we haven't seen the things he has.

It's easy to take the moral high ground and 'wonder how he left the girl there to die' - I'm sorry, but that's bullshit. Each year millions of people around the world starve to death. 4 million people have died as a result of genocide in the Congo. Millions more in the Sudan. I don't see anyone else rushing there to help. This guy did more with one picture to raise awareness of the situation in Africa than everyone on this board combined.

[woj]

pretty fucked indeed :-/

[GITZINGER]

Man, that's fucking sad!!!

[KingK7]

Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios

it's very easy to attack the guy.. especially now that he's dead.

But he would have seen and photographed millions of starving people - perhaps that changes you - how can we judge, we haven't seen the things he has.

It's easy to take the moral high ground and 'wonder how he left the girl there to die' - I'm sorry, but that's bullshit. Each year millions of people around the world starve to death. 4 million people have died as a result of genocide in the Congo. Millions more in the Sudan. I don't see anyone else rushing there to help. This guy did more with one picture to raise awareness of the situation in Africa than everyone on this board combined.

I agree with that, we can not imagine what it must have been like in his position.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios

I don't see anyone else rushing there to help. This guy did more with one picture to raise awareness of the situation in Africa than everyone on this board combined.

Actually the US government has given more money to Africa than all the nations of the world combined, and surprisingly enough the Bush adminstration has given more money than any other administration.

Pictures dont feed people.

We are AWARE of starvation, he wanted that shocking picture. He deserved to die just as painful as that little child died.

[BlueDesignStudios]

Originally Posted by Splum

Actually the US government has given more money to Africa than all the nations of the world combined, and surprisingly enough the Bush adminstration has given more money than any other administration.

The US and other governments have been giving aid to Africa, but I hardly think it's something we should be proud of. After WWII humanity said never again to genocide. Since then, Africa is just one genocide after another.

On the one hand, the west sends aid, on the other, we take their oil and diamonds and leave the people living in poverty.

It's one step forwards, two steps back.

Originally Posted by Splum

We are AWARE of starvation, he wanted that shocking picture. He deserved to die just as painful as that little child died.

Perhaps if we saw the things he saw, we too would want to take a shocking picture to grab the world's attention. There is plenty of footage of starving africans already, no-one cares about those images because there is no bird in the background.

No-one deserves to die, least of all a photographer. Do you advocate that all photographers who take pictures that offend you should die?

[Vick!]

Its shame for me

[Splum]

Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios

No-one deserves to die, least of all a photographer. Do you advocate that all photographers who take pictures that offend you should die?

Least of all a photographer? I would argue that the photographer should deserve to die more than that innocent child. He got paid for capturing childs suffering and dont try to deny it.

He could have taken that child out of that dangerous situation yet he left her to die after he got his picture. Sugarcoat it all you want HE AS A HUMAN BEING IN THAT INSTANCE COULD HAVE SAVED THAT CHILDS LIFE.

[BlueDesignStudios]

Originally Posted by Splum

HE AS A HUMAN BEING IN THAT INSTANCE COULD HAVE SAVED THAT CHILDS LIFE.

Yeah we all could save a child's life. I could have not had my coffee this morning and sent $3 to africa; fed a whole village for weeks. Or you could decide not to rent a movie but instead save a child's life. I still had my coffee, you still rented a movie.

This guy jumped on a plane and took a photo that was published in every country.


Lets not look at what someone could have done, but rather what they've done.

[wizhard]

Originally Posted by Splum

Least of all a photographer? I would argue that the photographer should deserve to die more than that innocent child. He got paid for capturing childs suffering and dont try to deny it.

He could have taken that child out of that dangerous situation yet he left her to die after he got his picture. Sugarcoat it all you want HE AS A HUMAN BEING IN THAT INSTANCE COULD HAVE SAVED THAT CHILDS LIFE.

I can't belive the bastard waited 20 minutes for the vulture to make a move - what was he hoping it would do.......fly over and start feeding on the poor kid so he could capture an even more disturbing image ?

What must have gone through that kids mind for that 20 minutes if she was aware Carter was near enough to help her but woudn't ?

Utter Bastard.

[martinsc]

our world is a pretty sad place...

[Splum]

Originally Posted by wizhard

I can't belive the bastard waited 20 minutes for the vulture to make a move - what was he hoping it would do.......fly over and start feeding on the poor kid so he could capture an even more disturbing image ? What must have gone through that kids mind for that 20 minutes if she was aware Carter was near enough to help her but woudn't ? Utter Bastard.

He got what was coming to him, karma is a bitch.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios

The US and other governments have been giving aid to Africa, but I hardly think it's something we should be proud of. After WWII humanity said never again to genocide. Since then, Africa is just one genocide after another.

On the one hand, the west sends aid, on the other, we take their oil and diamonds and leave the people living in poverty.

It's one step forwards, two steps back.

Perhaps if we saw the things he saw, we too would want to take a shocking picture to grab the world's attention. There is plenty of footage of starving africans already, no-one cares about those images because there is no bird in the background.

No-one deserves to die, least of all a photographer. Do you advocate that all photographers who take pictures that offend you should die?

It's because "all" of the countries of this world are ruled by the olé mighty dollar. People can bitch and complain about the US doing this or that, but how many other countries ever step up to the plate?

Not saying no one else ever does anything, but there are quite a few countries in this world that have the power to do something in these kind of situations but how many ever do?

[websiex]

That guy probably photographed hundreds of starving people, and if you look he photographed necklacing incidents... not helping this particular child may seem cruel, but at the time journalists were told not to touch famine victims, so it could've been his fear of disease, fear of losing his job, fear of being arrested... anything.

I mean, if the girl was so close to a feeding center; why didn't the feeding center come and help her and depend on this journalist to help her?

I wouldn't just go bashing him when there are obvious circumstances...

[Splum]

Originally Posted by websiex

That guy probably photographed hundreds of starving people, and if you look he photographed necklacing incidents... not helping this particular child may seem cruel, but at the time journalists were told not to touch famine victims, so it could've been his fear of disease, fear of losing his job, fear of being arrested... anything.

I mean, if the girl was so close to a feeding center; why didn't the feeding center come and help her and depend on this journalist to help her?

I wouldn't just go bashing him when there are obvious circumstances...

Are you honestly saying to us that you could sit there for 20 minutes knowing that this child is dieing, take a picture, and just calmly walk away with no fucking guilt whatsoever? Thats a cold cold person, I think he knew what a piece of shit he was for not helping that child because he killed himself soon after.

[wizhard]

Originally Posted by Splum

He got what was coming to him, karma is a bitch.

Yes, in this case it does seem so doesn't it.

[sickbeatz]

that kid looks like a bird or a small dog

[wizhard]

Originally Posted by websiex

That guy probably photographed hundreds of starving people, and if you look he photographed necklacing incidents... not helping this particular child may seem cruel, but at the time journalists were told not to touch famine victims, so it could've been his fear of disease, fear of losing his job, fear of being arrested... anything.

I mean, if the girl was so close to a feeding center; why didn't the feeding center come and help her and depend on this journalist to help her?

I wouldn't just go bashing him when there are obvious circumstances...

The obvious circumstances are that Carter was only a few yards away but idly stood by for 20 minutes and watched her suffer.

Nuff said.

[BlueDesignStudios]

Originally Posted by wizhard

The obvious circumstances are that Carter was only a few yards away but idly stood by for 20 minutes and watched her suffer.

Nuff said.

we sit thousands of miles away, and choose not to watch footage of people suffering on tv.

I hardly think that gives anyone the moral high ground here.. it's all pretty fucked to be honest

[Paraskass]

One could also argue that taking that picture did more for starving children than he would have done by simply helping that child.

I think we can safely assume that picture lead to a big number of donations from the public.

[Paraskass]

Originally Posted by Splum

Least of all a photographer? I would argue that the photographer should deserve to die more than that innocent child. He got paid for capturing childs suffering and dont try to deny it.

He could have taken that child out of that dangerous situation yet he left her to die after he got his picture. Sugarcoat it all you want HE AS A HUMAN BEING IN THAT INSTANCE COULD HAVE SAVED THAT CHILDS LIFE.

Where did you read that he left her to die?

[wizhard]

Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios

we sit thousands of miles away, and choose not to watch footage of people suffering on tv.

I hardly think that gives anyone the moral high ground here.. it's all pretty fucked to be honest

Yes, I accept your point, but even so I couldn't have done what he did.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios

we sit thousands of miles away, and choose not to watch footage of people suffering on tv. I hardly think that gives anyone the moral high ground here.. it's all pretty fucked to be honest

Any moral good person would have helped that child had they been right there at that moment in time. Not watching footage of plights thousands of miles away and "being right there" with the ability to do something are completely different. Carters story is one of failed morality, he knew it thats why he took his own life.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Paraskass

Where did you read that he left her to die?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Carter

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by Splum

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Carter

did you also read that she had the strength to get up and walk away from the vulture..

also this

" Journalists at the time were supposedly warned never to touch famine victims for fear of disease. "

Im not saying its right or wrong as we dont know the whole story. but i dont think i could sit back and let someone die, or even wait 20 mins to watch regardless of disease warnings unless it was fatal to touch them.

[websiex]

And you are lynching negros...

Why don't all of you bashing this guy join the peace corp or shell out the $2k for a plane ticket to Africa and help the millions of people living like that?

hypocrites... /laugh

[wizhard]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

did you also read that she had the strength to get up and walk away from the vulture..

also this

" Journalists at the time were supposedly warned never to touch famine victims for fear of disease. "

Im not saying its right or wrong as we dont know the whole story. but i dont think i could sit back and let someone die, or even wait 20 mins to watch regardless of disease warnings unless it was fatal to touch them.

The story also goes on to say that Carter is on record as saying that in reflection he wished he had "intervened" to help the kid. Which to me strongly implies that Carter knew at the time that he was in a possition to dosomething to help her in her dire situation but chose not to for 20 minutes.

So I'll say again - Utter Bastard.

[SomeCreep]

Far from the most fucked image ever. Ogrish.com had the most fucked up pics ever, before it turned into some wannabe youtube bullshit.

[GAMEFINEST]

that is powerful....we shd start a fund....to help out africa...

[uno]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Why wouldnt you pick the girl up and take her to get help.

Some of the best photographs ever taken are of a similar nature. Vietcong guy being executed, Tianamen Square, vietnamese naked young girl burned by napalm, etc.

[uno]

Originally Posted by KingK7

Hard to say why that guy killed himself afterwards. His buddy got killed just before, but it is said that the memory of this girl stuck with him.

I'm pretty sure this exact photo was referenced in House of Leaves. Great mind-fuck book if you've never read it.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by wizhard

The story also goes on to say that Carter is on record as saying that in reflection he wished he had "intervened" to help the kid. Which to me strongly implies that Carter knew at the time that he was in a possition to dosomething to help her in her dire situation but chose not to for 20 minutes.

So I'll say again - Utter Bastard.

People who survive fires while their loved ones burned say the same thing..

Sure theres something he could have done, but he was warned not to touch the famine victims because he could die from disease..

Do you think firefighters are told to blindly run into fires if theres ANY chance they could survive ?

Its easy to pass judgement sitting here , but we DONT know the whole story , sure you can have an opinion but i certainly hope your rational enough to understand where are others with different opinions.

Have you ever seen the disease's the people there have ? worms growing out of your body and stuff, ebola , flesh eating shit , its scary stuff, and if you were right there in the midst of it, the last thing you want to be doing is touching an obviously sick person. You would then have to be quarantined and treated. the doctors there wear gloves for good reason. i doubt they would be running up to save the child either without protective gloves and stuff.

But like i said im not disagreeig with you that in the scenario you are likely envisioning that this guy would have to be a real asshole.

Theres lots of factors we dont know..

From the picture it appears the dude is alone wandering around till he spot a child dying and does nothing.

Thats highly unlikely. Whats more likely is he is in a vehicle with a security team and other journalists, who are touring the food camps. they are likely told rerpeatedly by the security NOT to touch the famine victims.. they are also likely very familiar and are told stories of other journalists who didnt heed such advice and ended up with worms growing out of their face and stuff..

Its also very likely that with the very few amount of doctors per person that they prob would not try to save her.. In scenarios when there are more victims than doctors , they try to save those who stand the most chance of surviving not those in most need of attention..

But i suppose its all relative.. you know children just like her are dying yet you are doing the same thing.. nothing.. You talk about it with your friends but you arent there saving them.

[BlueDesignStudios]

Originally Posted by wizhard

Yes, I accept your point, but even so I couldn't have done what he did.

But could you have ever even cared enough to get on a plane and document what is happening in Africa in the first place?

[bDok]

that pic is intense on a bunch of levels. just intense.

[wyldworx]

thats done it, I am dead set in tears.

[Jakke PNG]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

People who survive fires while their loved ones burned say the same thing..

Sure theres something he could have done, but he was warned not to touch the famine victims because he could die from disease..

Do you think firefighters are told to blindly run into fires if theres ANY chance they could survive ?

Its easy to pass judgement sitting here , but we DONT know the whole story , sure you can have an opinion but i certainly hope your rational enough to understand where are others with different opinions.

Have you ever seen the disease's the people there have ? worms growing out of your body and stuff, ebola , flesh eating shit , its scary stuff, and if you were right there in the midst of it, the last thing you want to be doing is touching an obviously sick person. You would then have to be quarantined and treated. the doctors there wear gloves for good reason. i doubt they would be running up to save the child either without protective gloves and stuff.

But like i said im not disagreeig with you that in the scenario you are likely envisioning that this guy would have to be a real asshole.

Theres lots of factors we dont know..

From the picture it appears the dude is alone wandering around till he spot a child dying and does nothing.

Thats highly unlikely. Whats more likely is he is in a vehicle with a security team and other journalists, who are touring the food camps. they are likely told rerpeatedly by the security NOT to touch the famine victims.. they are also likely very familiar and are told stories of other journalists who didnt heed such advice and ended up with worms growing out of their face and stuff..

Its also very likely that with the very few amount of doctors per person that they prob would not try to save her.. In scenarios when there are more victims than doctors , they try to save those who stand the most chance of surviving not those in most need of attention..

But i suppose its all relative.. you know children just like her are dying yet you are doing the same thing.. nothing.. You talk about it with your friends but you arent there saving them.

Stop being rational. Let people hate the evil man, it makes them feel better about themselves.

[wyldworx]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

People who survive fires while their loved ones burned say the same thing..

Sure theres something he could have done, but he was warned not to touch the famine victims because he could die from disease..

Do you think firefighters are told to blindly run into fires if theres ANY chance they could survive ?

Its easy to pass judgement sitting here , but we DONT know the whole story , sure you can have an opinion but i certainly hope your rational enough to understand where are others with different opinions.

Have you ever seen the disease's the people there have ? worms growing out of your body and stuff, ebola , flesh eating shit , its scary stuff, and if you were right there in the midst of it, the last thing you want to be doing is touching an obviously sick person. You would then have to be quarantined and treated. the doctors there wear gloves for good reason. i doubt they would be running up to save the child either without protective gloves and stuff.

But like i said im not disagreeig with you that in the scenario you are likely envisioning that this guy would have to be a real asshole.

Theres lots of factors we dont know..

From the picture it appears the dude is alone wandering around till he spot a child dying and does nothing.

Thats highly unlikely. Whats more likely is he is in a vehicle with a security team and other journalists, who are touring the food camps. they are likely told rerpeatedly by the security NOT to touch the famine victims.. they are also likely very familiar and are told stories of other journalists who didnt heed such advice and ended up with worms growing out of their face and stuff..

Its also very likely that with the very few amount of doctors per person that they prob would not try to save her.. In scenarios when there are more victims than doctors , they try to save those who stand the most chance of surviving not those in most need of attention..

But i suppose its all relative.. you know children just like her are dying yet you are doing the same thing.. nothing.. You talk about it with your friends but you arent there saving them.

I would have to say that this right here is the answer to all our probs. Yes a sweeping statement, but a well thought about one. Smokey, I say this to few, but you are very well rounded in your knowledge and beleifs, I can relate to them alot. Understanding, Enlightenment and Truth is most of what I hear come from your mouth-or-whatever. Respect buddy. All our problems cannot be solved overnight, it would only throw us into chaos of the opposite nature, we must coach, educate with control, and respond accordingly. Extremities are the one thing we are supposed to be combating, but all that seems to be happening is flip flop flip flop. No balance.