Rosie Odonnell is insane

[Splum]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=r0JBpJA6k4s

[GatorB]

Actually the republican bitch is the insane one.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Actually the republican bitch is the insane one.

So you agree with Rosie? Also why do you have to get so degrading all of a sudden? Got anger management?

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Splum

So you agree with Rosie? Also why do you have to get so degrading all of a sudden? Got anger management?

What was so insane about her? She wasn't all wild crazy foaming at the mouth woman like your post idicated.

Rosie to republican bitch: "Do you trust Bush as much now as you did when he first took office?"

Dumb Bitch: "yes"

Rosie to republican bitch: "Do you think Bush mislead the American people into thinking Iraq had somethingto do with 9-11?"

Dumb bitch: "no"

Ok who is crazier?

[Porn Farmer]

That dumb republican bitch is a mindless drone.

Rosie may be fat and annoying... but she is right.

[Splum]

False flag operation
9/11 inside job conspiracy

Sorry those are views of insane people.

Haha and PLEASE explain to me how Bush said Iraq had something specifically to do with 9/11?

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Splum

False flag operation

What????

9/11 inside job conspiracy

She never said that.

Haha and PLEASE explain to me how Bush said Iraq had something specifically to do with 9/11?

Are you retarded? Bush said Iraq was part of 9-11 and that's why we should invade. where have you been?

[Splum]

Originally Posted by GatorB

What???? She never said that.

Oh really?
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player...News&390&&&new

Originally Posted by GatorB

Are you retarded? Bush said Iraq was part of 9-11 and that's why we should invade. where have you been?

Show me specifically where he ever said that, maybe thats what your inferior intellect "heard" but intelligent people never once thought that Iraq was directly involved with 9/11.

When you cant find a source for that Bush comment specifically linking Iraq to the attacks of 9/11 and when you listen to Rosie specifically say "gulf of tonkin" you owe me an apology.

[LiveDose]

Rosie has a penis.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Splum

Oh really?
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player...News&390&&&new

url doesn't work.

All she said is about tower 7. get it? And it was imploded, a dude form the NYFD said it was done on purpose by them. He's on tape.

Show me specifically where he ever said that, maybe thats what your inferior intellect "heard" but intelligent people never once thought that Iraq was directly involved with 9/11.

When you cant find a source for that Bush comment specifically linking Iraq to the attacks of 9/11 and when you listen to Rosie specifically say "gulf of tonkin" you owe me an apology.

I see you are just a republican blow hard. Either talk reasonable or fuck off.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by GatorB

url doesn't work. All she said is about tower 7. get it? And it was imploded, a dude form the NYFD said it was done on purpose by them. He's on tape. I see you are just a republican blow hard. Either talk reasonable or fuck off.

1. That URL does work. Here is a shorter version http://tinyurl.com/2evx2j
2. She first says "Gulf of Tonkin"
3. Next she says the British captured was a false flag operation.

Why do you even comment when you cant out a coherent sentence together?
Why do you support such vile views against your own people?

[GatorB]

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[Splum]

Originally Posted by GatorB

This message is hidden because Splum is on your ignore list.

How childish, but hey ignorance is bliss and you certainly are ignorant.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Splum

Oh really?
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player...News&390&&&new


Show me specifically where he ever said that, maybe thats what your inferior intellect "heard" but intelligent people never once thought that Iraq was directly involved with 9/11.

When you cant find a source for that Bush comment specifically linking Iraq to the attacks of 9/11 and when you listen to Rosie specifically say "gulf of tonkin" you owe me an apology.

Bush most likely never said that Iraq was directly involved in 9/11. However, here is an article http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/17/Bush.alqaeda/ where he says the following things:

"The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and al Qaeda, because there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda."

and

Bush reiterated that the administration never said that "the 9/11 attacks were orchestrated" between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda. "We did say there were numerous contacts between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda,"

Al Qaeda is the group that carried out the 9/11 attacks. He tells us that Iraq is friends with Al Qaeda. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what he is trying to do here. Most people don't pay much attention to the world around them. Here is a line directly from the BBC in regards to one of Bush's statements about saddam not being involved with 9/11. "The comments - among his most explicit so far on the issue - come after a recent opinion poll found that nearly 70% of Americans believed the Iraqi leader was personally involved in the attacks. "

It's not hard to see the pattern here.

-Bush takes office.
-Bush has always wanted to invade Iraq.
-9/11 happens
-Al Qaeda is named as those behind the attacks
-We invade Afghanistan where Bin Ladin and his crew are hiding.
-Now is a prime to time remove Saddam from power.
-Bush then starts to sell the public on Iraq. He tells everyone they have weapons of mass destruction and ties to Al Qaeda. The public - many of who can't even find Iraq on a map - immediately assume that this means Saddam was involved in 9/11. It's not much of a hard sell.

[kane]

oh and one other. here is a nice little quote taken from from something Bush told Congress about his reason for invading Iraq:

To justify the war, Bush informed Congress on March 19, 2003 that acting against Iraq was consistent with “continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.”

When you read that it's not to hard to see how he in trying to link the two together.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by kane

It's not hard to see the pattern here.
-Bush takes office.
-Bush has always wanted to invade Iraq.
-9/11 happens
-Al Qaeda is named as those behind the attacks
-We invade Afghanistan where Bin Ladin and his crew are hiding.
-Now is a prime to time remove Saddam from power.
-Bush then starts to sell the public on Iraq. He tells everyone they have weapons of mass destruction and ties to Al Qaeda. The public - many of who can't even find Iraq on a map - immediately assume that this means Saddam was involved in 9/11. It's not much of a hard sell.

Only HALF of the Americans would make that connection, the less intelligent poor Democratic half. So now Bush is at fault because people are assuming dumb asses?

[Splum]

Originally Posted by kane

oh and one other. here is a nice little quote taken from from something Bush told Congress about his reason for invading Iraq:

To justify the war, Bush informed Congress on March 19, 2003 that acting against Iraq was consistent with ?continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.?

When you read that it's not to hard to see how he in trying to link the two together.

But Bush was right, Zarqawi had already established terrorist cells in Iraq and was in Iraq himself. Zarqawi and friends were the people he was talking about in that statement.

[aico]

She seems pretty sane to me, that stupid blonde chick is an idiot though. Probably gets her information from Bill O'Reily.

[spunkmaster]

Originally Posted by kane

Bush most likely never said that Iraq was directly involved in 9/11. However, here is an article http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/17/Bush.alqaeda/ where he says the following things:

"The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and al Qaeda, because there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda."

and

Bush reiterated that the administration never said that "the 9/11 attacks were orchestrated" between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda. "We did say there were numerous contacts between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda,"

Al Qaeda is the group that carried out the 9/11 attacks. He tells us that Iraq is friends with Al Qaeda. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what he is trying to do here. Most people don't pay much attention to the world around them. Here is a line directly from the BBC in regards to one of Bush's statements about saddam not being involved with 9/11. "The comments - among his most explicit so far on the issue - come after a recent opinion poll found that nearly 70% of Americans believed the Iraqi leader was personally involved in the attacks. "

It's not hard to see the pattern here.

-Bush takes office.
-Bush has always wanted to invade Iraq.
-9/11 happens
-Al Qaeda is named as those behind the attacks
-We invade Afghanistan where Bin Ladin and his crew are hiding.
-Now is a prime to time remove Saddam from power.
-Bush then starts to sell the public on Iraq. He tells everyone they have weapons of mass destruction and ties to Al Qaeda. The public - many of who can't even find Iraq on a map - immediately assume that this means Saddam was involved in 9/11. It's not much of a hard sell.

Forget about everything above for a minute.

Saddam tried to kill a US President and Clinton didn't have the balls to take him out.

Case Closed !

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by Splum

intelligent people never once thought that Iraq was directly involved with 9/11

Bush and Cheney lied about WMDs in Iraq, and they most certainly tried repeatedly to link Al Qaeda and 9/11 to Saddam to whip up war fever against Iraq:

George W. Bush

2002

"The regime has longstanding and continuing ties to terrorist groups, and there are Al Qaida terrorists inside Iraq." - George W. Bush Delivers Weekly Radio Address, White House (9/28/2002)

"We know that Iraq and al Qaeda have had high-level contacts that go back a decade. Some al Qaeda leaders who fled Afghanistan went to Iraq. These include one very senior al Qaeda leader who received medical treatment in Baghdad this year, and who has been associated with planning for chemical and biological attacks.

We've learned that Iraq has trained al Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases." - President Bush Outlines Iraqi Threat; Remarks by the President on Iraq, White House (10/7/2002) - Whitehouse.gov

"I think they're both equally important, and they're both dangerous. And as I said in my speech in Cincinnati, we will fight if need be the war on terror on two fronts. We've got plenty of capacity to do so. And I also mentioned the fact that there is a connection between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein. The war on terror, Iraq is a part on the war on terror. And he must disarm." - President, White House (10/14/2002) - Whitehouse.gov

"This is a man who has got connections with Al Qaida. Imagine a terrorist network with Iraq as an arsenal and as a training ground, so that a Saddam Hussein could use this shadowy group of people to attack his enemy and leave no fingerprint behind. He's a threat." - Remarks by the President in Texas Welcome, White House (11/4/2002) - Whitehouse.gov

"He's a threat because he is dealing with Al Qaida. In my Cincinnati speech I reminded the American people, a true threat facing our country is that an Al Qaida-type network trained and armed by Saddam could attack America and leave not one fingerprint." - President Outlines Priorities, White House (11/7/2002)

"He's had contacts with Al Qaida. Imagine the scenario where an Al Qaida-type organization uses Iraq as an arsenal, a place to get weapons, a place to be trained to use the weapons. Saddam Hussein could use surrogates to come and attack people he hates." - Remarks by the President at Arkansas Welcome, White House (11/4/2002)

2003

"Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications, and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of al Qaeda. Secretly, and without fingerprints, he could provide one of his hidden weapons to terrorists, or help develop their own." - President Delivers "State of the Union", White House (1/28/2003)

"Before September the 11th, many in the world believed that Saddam Hussein could be contained. But chemical agents, lethal viruses, and shadowy terrorist networks are not easily contained. Imagine those 19 hijackers with other weapons and other planes -- this time armed by Saddam Hussein. It would take one vial, one canister, one crate slipped into this country to bring a day of horror like none we have ever known." - President Delivers "State of the Union", White House (1/28/2003) - Whitehouse.gov

"Saddam Hussein has longstanding, direct and continuing ties to terrorist networks. Senior members of Iraqi intelligence and al Qaeda have met at least eight times since the early 1990s. Iraq has sent bomb-making and document forgery experts to work with al Qaeda. Iraq has also provided al Qaeda with chemical and biological weapons training. We also know that Iraq is harboring a terrorist network, headed by a senior al Qaeda terrorist planner." - President Bush: "World Can Rise to This Moment", White House (2/6/2003) - Whitehouse.gov

Saddam Hussein has longstanding, direct and continuing ties to terrorist networks. Senior members of Iraq intelligence and al Qaeda have met at least eight times since the early 1990s. Iraq has sent bomb-making and document forgery experts to work with al Qaeda. Iraq has also provided al Qaeda with chemical and biological weapons training. And an al Qaeda operative was sent to Iraq several times in the late 1990s for help in aquiring poisons and gases. We also know that Iraq is harboring a terrorist network headed by a senior al Qaeda terrorist planner." - President's Radio Address, White House (2/8/2003)

"He has trained and financed al Qaeda-type organizations before, al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations." - President George Bush Discusses Iraq in National Press Conference, White House (3/6/2003)

"The regime . . . has aided, trained and harbored terrorists, including operatives of al Qaeda. The danger is clear: using chemical, biological or, one day, nuclear weapons, obtained with the help of Iraq, the terrorists could fulfill their stated ambitions and kill thousands or hundreds of thousands of innocent people in our country, or any other." President Says Saddam Hussein Must Leave Iraq Within 48 Hours, White House (3/17/2003)

"The liberation of Iraq is a crucial advance in the campaign against terror. We've removed an ally of al Qaeda, and cut off a source of terrorist funding. And this much is certain: No terrorist network will gain weapons of mass destruction from the Iraqi regime, because the regime is no more." - President Bush Announces Major Combat Operations in Iraq Have Ended, White House (5/1/2003)

"The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11, 2001 -- and still goes on. That terrible morning, 19 evil men -- the shock troops of a hateful ideology -- gave America and the civilized world a glimpse of their ambitions. They imagined, in the words of one terrorist, that September the 11th would be the 'beginning of the end of America.' By seeking to turn our cities into killing fields, terrorists and their allies believed that they could destroy this nation's resolve, and force our retreat from the world. They have failed." - President Bush Announces Major Combat Operations in Iraq Have Ended, White House (5/1/2003)

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[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Dick Cheney

2002

"In Afghanistan we found confirmation that bin Laden and the al-Qaeda network were seriously interested in nuclear and radiological weapons, and in biological and chemical agents. We are especially concerned about any possible linkup between terrorists and regimes that have or seek weapons of mass destruction." - Vice President Delivers Remarks to the National Academy of Home Builders, White House (6/6/2002)

"His regime has had high-level contacts with al Qaeda going back a decade and has provided training to al Qaeda terrorists." - Remarks by the Vice President at the Air National Guard Senior Leadership Conference, White House (12/2/2002)

"There is also a grave danger that al Qaeda or other terrorists will join with outlaw regimes that have these weapons to attack their common enemy, the United States of America. That is why confronting the threat posed by Iraq is not a distraction from the war on terror." - Remarks by the Vice President at the Air National Guard Senior Leadership Conference, White House (12/2/2002)

2003

"His regime aids and protects terrorists, including members of al Qaeda. He could decide secretly to provide weapons of mass destruction to terrorists for use against us." - Vice President's Remarks at 30th Political Action Conference, White House (1/30/2003)

"And Saddam Hussein becomes a prime suspect in that regard because of his past track record and because we know he has, in fact, developed these kinds of capabilities, chemical and biological weapons. . . We know that he has a long-standing relationship with various terrorist groups, including the al-Qaeda organization." - Dick Cheney, Meet the Press, NBC (3/16/2003)

"I have argued in the past, and would again, if we had been able to pre-empt the attacks of 9/11 would we have done it? And I think absolutely. We have to be prepared now to take the kind of bold action that's being contemplated with respect to Iraq in order to ensure that we don't get hit with a devastating attack when the terrorists' organization gets married up with a rogue state that's willing to provide it with the kinds of deadly capabilities that Saddam Hussein has developed and used over the years." - Dick Cheney, Meet the Press, NBC (3/16/2003)

"If we're successful in Iraq, if we can stand up a good representative government in Iraq, that secures the region so that it never again becomes a threat to its neighbors or to the United States, so it's not pursuing weapons of mass destruction, so that it's not a safe haven for terrorists, now we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11." - Dick Cheney, Meet the Press, NBC (9/14/2003)

"(Since September 11) We learned more and more that there was a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaeda that stretched back through most of the decade of the '90s, that it involved training, for example, on BW and CW, that al-Qaeda sent personnel to Baghdad to get trained on the systems that are involved. The Iraqis providing bomb-making expertise and advice to the al-Qaeda organization." - Dick Cheney, Meet the Press, NBC (9/14/2003)

"And the reason we had to do Iraq, if you hark back and think about that link between the terrorists and weapons of mass destruction, Iraq was the place where we were most fearful that that was most likely to occur, because in Iraq we've had a government -- not only was it one of the worst dictatorships in modern times, but had oftentimes hosted terrorists in the past . . . but also an established relationship with the al Qaeda organization . . . ." - Vice President Dick Cheney Remarks at Luncheon for Congressman Jim Gerlach, White House (10/3/2003)

"(I)f we had not paid any attention to the fact that al Qaeda was being hosted in Northeastern Iraq, part of poisons network producing ricin and cyanide that was intended to be used in attacks both in Europe, as well as in North Africa and ignored it, we would have been derelict in our duties and responsibilities." - Vice President Dick Cheney Remarks at Luncheon for Congressman Jim Gerlach, White House (10/3/2003)

"He cultivated ties to terror, hosting the Abu Nidal organization, supporting terrorists, making payments to the families of suicide bombers in Israel. He also had an established relationship with al Qaeda, providing training to al Qaeda members in the areas of poisons, gases, making conventional bombs." - Remarks by Vice President Dick Cheney at the Heritage Foundation, White House (10/10/2003)

"Saddam Hussein had a lengthy history of reckless and sudden aggression. He cultivated ties to terror -- hosting the Abu Nidal organization, supporting terrorists, and making payments to the families of suicide bombers. He also had an established relationship with Al Qaida -- providing training to Al Qaida members in areas of poisons, gases and conventional bombs. He built, possessed, and used weapons of mass destruction." - Richard B. Cheney Delivers Remarks at the James A. Baker, III, Institute for Public Policy, White House (10/18/2003)

2004

"We'll find ample evidence confirming the link, that is the connection if you will between al Qaida and the Iraqi intelligence services. They have worked together on a number of occasions." - Transcript of interview with Vice President Dick Cheney, Rocky Mountain News (1/9/2004)

"We did have reporting that was public, that came out shortly after the 9/11 attack, provided by the Czech government, suggesting there had been a meeting in Prague between Mohammed Atta, the lead hijacker, and a man named al-Ani (Ahmed Khalil Ibrahim Samir al-Ani), who was an Iraqi intelligence official in Prague, at the embassy there, in April of '01, prior to the 9/11 attacks. It has never been -- we've never been able to collect any more information on that. That was the one that possibly tied the two together to 9/11." - Transcript of Interview with Vice President Dick Cheney, Rocky Mountain News (1/9/2004)

"Saddam Hussein had a lengthy history of reckless and sudden aggression. His regime cultivated ties to terror, including the al Qaeda network, and had built, possessed, and used weapons of mass destruction." - Richard B. Cheney Delivers Remarks to the Los Angeles World Affairs Council, White House (1/14/2004)

"Saddam Hussein had a lengthy history of reckless and sudden aggression. His regime cultivated ties to terror, including the al Qaeda network, and had built, possessed, and used weapons of mass destruction." - Richard B. Cheney Delivers Remarks to Veterans at the Arizona Wing Museum, White House (1/15/2004)

"I continue to believe. I think there's overwhelming evidence that there was a connection between al-Qaeda and the Iraqi government. We've discovered since documents indicating that a guy named Abdul Rahman Yasin, who was a part of the team that attacked the World Trade Center in '93, when he arrived back in Iraq was put on the payroll and provided a house, safe harbor and sanctuary. That's public information now.

So Saddam Hussein had an established track record of providing safe harbor and sanctuary for terrorists. . . . I mean, this is a guy who was an advocate and a supporter of terrorism whenever it suited his purpose, and I'm very confident that there was an established relationship there." - Dick Cheney, Morning Edition, NPR (1/22/2004)

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For their lies and deception, Bush and Cheney, owe an apology to the American people, the masses of Iraqi's killed and injured during and since the invasion, and most of all to the over three thousand U.S. service people killed, and tens of thousands wounded, in Bush's misguided adventure in Iraq.

The only honorable thing for them to do now is resign, but that will not happen as long as they still have the ability to enrich their political benefactors in the military-industrial complex.

So Splum, if you "operate MANY adult web sites", as you claim, then why can't you back it up with proof, by naming one adult site that you operate?

ADG Webmaster

[Splum]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

.............

Semantics for jelly minded people like yourself ADG.

Like I said INTELLIGENT people didnt think Iraq was directly tied to 9/11 but every single intelligence agency in the world thought Saddam had WMDs and Al-Qaeda WAS in Iraq.

[Porn Farmer]

Originally Posted by Splum

But Bush was right, Zarqawi had already established terrorist cells in Iraq and was in Iraq himself.

Bullshit... show some evidence that Zarqawi was in Iraq before 9/11.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Splum

Only HALF of the Americans would make that connection, the less intelligent poor Democratic half. So now Bush is at fault because people are assuming dumb asses?

Well, if you read my next post you would see that the BBC showed a poll where 70% of the public thought Iraq was involved in 9/11. . . that would mean some of you uber-intelligent conservative types fell for it to.

Is it Bushes fault? Sure you can't actually believe that he wasnt trying to put some kind of spin on things to make the best case possible can you?

[Splum]

Originally Posted by kane

Well, if you read my next post you would see that the BBC showed a poll where 70% of the public thought Iraq was involved in 9/11. . . that would mean some of you uber-intelligent conservative types fell for it to.

Is it Bushes fault? Sure you can't actually believe that he wasnt trying to put some kind of spin on things to make the best case possible can you?

Get real show me a politician that DOESNT spin?

[kane]

Originally Posted by spunkmaster

Forget about everything above for a minute.

Saddam tried to kill a US President and Clinton didn't have the balls to take him out.

Case Closed !

I fully agree that Saddam needed to go. I just happen to think that it should have been at the end of a bullet shot from a sniper rifle a half a mile away from him as opposed to invading his country and causing the debt and death that has come with it.

In the end shooting him would have caused chaos and a nice little revolution and there would be new leadership there. Invading them will most likely end with us eventually leaving, chaos and a nice little revolution and a new leadership there.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Porn Farmer

Bullshit... show some evidence that Zarqawi was in Iraq before 9/11.

Who said he was there before 9/11??? Zarqawi fled to Iraq after we wounded him in Afghanistan, he set up camp in northern Iraq and started recruiting Al Qaeda members BEFORE the US invasion.

You must not have gotten that information from DailyKos or something?

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by Splum

Semantics for jelly minded people like yourself ADG.

Like I said INTELLIGENT people didnt think Iraq was directly tied to 9/11 but every single intelligence agency in the world thought Saddam had WMDs and Al-Qaeda WAS in Iraq.

The intelligence agencies had plenty of info to suggest that Iraq did not have WMDs which posed a direct threat to the U.S., however the only people that were listened to had political motives to lie. Otherwise, it would stand to reason that the WMDs all of these intelligence agencies thought were there would have been uncovered if their intelligence was accurate.

Some of the people that lied about Iraq pre-war intelligence, the Bush regime helped install into the Iraqi government as a reward for their collusion in providing a pretext for the invasion:

Ahmed Abdel Hadi Chalabi,1 (Arabic: ???? ?????? 'Ahmad al-Jalab?) was interim oil minister in Iraq in April-May 2005 and December-January 2006 and deputy prime minister from May 2005 until May 2006.

Chalabi failed to win a seat in parliament in the December 2005 elections, and when the new Iraqi cabinet was announced in May 2006, he was not awarded a post. Once dubbed the "George Washington of Iraq" by American neoconservatives, he has fallen out of favor and is currently under investigation by several U.S. government sources. He is also wanted for massive bank fraud in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan.

Chalabi was also part of a three-man executive council for the umbrella Iraqi opposition group, the Iraqi National Congress (INC), created in 1992 for the purpose of fomenting the overthrow of Iraqi president Saddam Hussein. Although the INC received major funding and assistance from the United States, it never had any influence or any following to speak of in Iraq after the 2003 invasion. The INC's influence gradually waned until the December 2005 elections, in which it failed to win a single seat in Parliament.

Chalabi is a controversial figure for many reasons. In the lead-up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, under his guidance the INC provided a major portion of the information on which U.S. Intelligence based its condemnation of Saddam Hussein, including reports of weapons of mass destruction and alleged ties to al-Qaeda. Much of this information has turned out to be false.

That, combined with the fact that Chalabi subsequently gloated about the impact that their falsifications had in an interview with the British Sunday Telegraph, led to a falling out between him and the United States.

Initially, Chalabi enjoyed cozy political and business relationships with some members of the U.S. government, including some prominent neoconservatives within the Pentagon. Chalabi is said to have had political contacts within the Project for the New American Century, most notably with Paul Wolfowitz, a student of nuclear strategist Albert Wohlstetter and Richard Perle who was introduced to Chalabi by Wohlstetter in 1985.

Chalabi's opponents, on the other hand see him as a charlatan of questionable allegiance, out of touch with Iraq and with no effective power base there

So Splum, you really don't "operate MANY adult websites" do you, since you can't name even one? Your websites are as fake as the Iraq WMDs.

Apparently your only purpose here, since you can't even prove you are an adult webmaster, is to support a President with the worst-ever approval rating (even within his own party), as American soldiers are ungloriously being killed due to the Bush and Cheney neocon failed war plans...

ADG Webmaster

[Splum]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Apparently your only purpose here, since you can't even prove you are an adult webmaster, is to support a President with the worst-ever approval rating (even within his own party), as American soldiers are ungloriously being killed due to the Bush and Cheney neocon failed war plans...

1. The websites I run are NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS and your motives for having this information is purely malicious.
2. I support my commander-in-chief during war time no matter what party he belongs to.
3. Intelligence agencies throughout the world were of the mindset that Saddam DID have WMD. Regardless of whether he would "give" them to terrorists the fact that he supposedly HAD them was reason enough to invade because he had violated not only 19 UN resolutions but was actively seeking WMD AND had violated the 1991 cease fire agreement.
4. Rosie is insane, do you agree with her views that 9/11 was an inside job and that these British are a false flag operation to take us into war into Iran?

[kane]

Originally Posted by Splum

Get real show me a politician that DOESNT spin?

Exactly. you said yourself, "So now Bush is at fault because people are assuming dumb asses?" well, he is spinning things and people are believing him. a couple of posts ago it was only stupid democrats that believed him and he was not at fault, but since it turns out to be more than that, now it's still not his fault because every politician spins things?

[Splum]

Originally Posted by kane

Exactly. you said yourself, "So now Bush is at fault because people are assuming dumb asses?" well, he is spinning things and people are believing him. a couple of posts ago it was only stupid democrats that believed him and he was not at fault, but since it turns out to be more than that, now it's still not his fault because every politician spins things?

I never said it was more than that, YOU did citing some biased "poll" without a source link. Politicians always spin and most intelligent people know that. At the time that Bush was making the case for war in Iraq I am almost 100&#37; position MOST Republicans/conservative people supported that decision. It was only afterwards with the mismanagement of the war that conservatives tired of the Bush administrations strategy.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Splum

I never said it was more than that, YOU did citing some biased "poll" without a source link. Politicians always spin and most intelligent people know that. At the time that Bush was making the case for war in Iraq I am almost 100% position MOST Republicans/conservative people supported that decision. It was only afterwards with the mismanagement of the war that conservatives tired of the Bush administrations strategy.

Lets recap:

I stated that he was trying to imply that Iraq was somehow involved with the 9/11 attacks so that people would support his invasion of it. I posted some quotes he made that were kind of ambiguous and could be taken as lumping Iraq in with the group responsible for 9/11.

You than said that "Only HALF of the Americans would make that connection, the less intelligent poor Democratic half. So now Bush is at fault because people are assuming dumb asses?"

To which I replied that it was more like 70%. Here is my source. I'm going to assume the BBC checks their facts http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3118262.stm

Then once you read that it is more like 70% so it can't just all be stupid democrats that believed him you say, "Get real show me a politician that DOESNT spin?"

I point out that this is exactly what I am saying. Bush spun everyone and tried to imply that Iraq was connected to the 9/11 attacks. He never said it, but he lumped them into the same group and people bought it. Not just stupid democrat people, but many people.

To this you reply with a bunch of garble about how 100% of conservatives supported his attack on Iraq and they only started to turn on him when they saw his mismanagement of it.

I'm now confused. We were never talking about the mismanagement of the war. The entire point of this is that Bush spun/misled (however you want to put it) much of the public during the lead up to the invasion and you have yet to make any argument proving otherwise.

[GatorB]

Here this will end this argument

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/profil...ignore&u=20192

[Splum]

Originally Posted by kane

To which I replied that it was more like 70%. Here is my source. I'm going to assume the BBC checks their facts http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3118262.stm The entire point of this is that Bush spun/misled (however you want to put it) much of the public during the lead up to the invasion and you have yet to make any argument proving otherwise.

1. The BBC has a known liberal bias, I dont see any sources for their 70% figure so this is why I take that with a grain of salt.
2. The poll also says "70% of Americans believed the Iraqi leader was personally involved in the attacks" ...not Iraq - while that may at first seem like nitpicking any sane person knows Saddam was a very bad person with intentions of defying the USA so the "poll" could have been skewed based on this wording the poll would have been more accurate had it asked "Do you believe Iraq was involved in the attacks on 9/11"
3. I am not trying to prove that Bush didnt spin anything, I am pointing out that INTELLIGENT people never "assumed" Iraq was directly involved in 9/11.
4. Really its all a moot point because Saddam HAD to go period, anyone who couldnt see that deserves to spend a life "assuming" things.

[Tempest]

Is this the best you can do today Splum? I guess it's just killing you that your government has voted for removing the troops from Iraq.. i.e. "appeasing" the terrorists as you would put it... I'm surprised you haven't drunk yourself into a stupor and taken a bottle of pills to put yourself out of your misery.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Here this will end this argument

You are like the child who puts his fingers in his ears saying "la la la la la" while his mother is telling him to clean his room.

Too bad you cant see this because this is going to shock your fragile teenage brain, when civil war comes to America, people like you wont last long.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Tempest

Is this the best you can do today Splum? I guess it's just killing you that your government has voted for removing the troops from Iraq.. i.e. "appeasing" the terrorists as you would put it... I'm surprised you haven't drunk yourself into a stupor and taken a bottle of pills to put yourself out of your misery.

If Splum has his way we'd still be in Korea and Nam fighting the commies.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Tempest

Is this the best you can do today Splum? I guess it's just killing you that your government has voted for removing the troops from Iraq.. i.e. "appeasing" the terrorists as you would put it... I'm surprised you haven't drunk yourself into a stupor and taken a bottle of pills to put yourself out of your misery.

Why would it "kill" me that Democrats BARELY passed a bill to the Presidents desk where it will be swatted for the piece of shit that it is?
As far as putting myself out of misery oh no you have that seriously wrong sucker I am saving this rage especially for people like you.
You forget one thing, MY GUY is in power and no one is stopping him.

[Splum]

BTW Tempest dont try to act intelligent I know you are nothing but a sheep. You got owned in that other thread about fake news. You completely thought it was real, lol dumbass.
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=719436

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by Splum

.... when civil war comes to America.....

Americans these days are too fat, lazy and apethetic to do anything like that.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by Splum

BTW Tempest dont try to act intelligent I know you are nothing but a sheep. You got owned in that other thread about fake news. You completely thought it was real, lol dumbass.
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=719436

yeah... got me there.. woo hoo... good for you... like that matters.. try again moron..

[GatorB]

Stupid political groupings

Adult Webmasters for Bush
Jews for Hitler
Blacks for the KKK
Palistinians for Isreal
Mexicans for Stricter US Immigration Laws
Wal-Mart for a Higher Minimum Wage
AARP for Scraping Social Security

[Porn Farmer]

Originally Posted by Splum

when civil war comes to America, people like you wont last long.

The irony is you think more like the people you claim to hate than you care to admit. Isn't it always the way.

You just hate terrorists because its like looking in the mirror. You are just as brainwashed as them only you are far too brainwashed to see it... and you hate your 'enemy' just as intensely as they do.

You are without a doubt the funniest, but saddest troll on this forum. Congrats!

[Splum]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Stupid political groupings

How can you forget the groups you are a card carrying member of like:
Part Time Mdonalds Employees for Liberal Pseudo Justice
Angsty Anarchist Teens for Democratic Pornography
Porn Webmasters for Al-Qaeda
Potheads for Peace through Terrorism

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Porn Farmer

The irony is you think more like the people you claim to hate than you care to admit. Isn't it always the way. You just hate terrorists because its like looking in the mirror. You are just as brainwashed as them only you are far too brainwashed to see it... and you hate your 'enemy' just as intensely as they do.

I hate but RESPECT my enemy, they stand for something.
I simply just HATE people like you who stand for absolutely nothing.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Splum

1. The BBC has a known liberal bias, I dont see any sources for their 70% figure so this is why I take that with a grain of salt.
2. The poll also says "70% of Americans believed the Iraqi leader was personally involved in the attacks" ...not Iraq - while that may at first seem like nitpicking any sane person knows Saddam was a very bad person with intentions of defying the USA so the "poll" could have been skewed based on this wording the poll would have been more accurate had it asked "Do you believe Iraq was involved in the attacks on 9/11"
3. I am not trying to prove that Bush didnt spin anything, I am pointing out that INTELLIGENT people never "assumed" Iraq was directly involved in 9/11.
4. Really its all a moot point because Saddam HAD to go period, anyone who couldnt see that deserves to spend a life "assuming" things.

I will agree with you that Saddam had to go. There is no arguing that he was a monster who did terrible things to his people and would harm others, including us, if he had the means. I guess I differ with some people on how we should have gone about it, but you are right, he was a bad guy.

The thing that annoys me the most about Bush is that everytime he want's to do something controversial he plays the 9/11 /saftey card and tries to convice people that if they don't follow him blindly another 9/11 will happen or we will not be safe.

As for people thinking that Saddam and Iraq are two different entities I would argue that when people say Iraq they think Saddamn and when they say Saddamn they think Iraq. In the minds of many they are one in the same. Here is an article from the Washington Post saying that 40% of Americans thought Iraq was involved in 9/11 I would imagine if you asked the same people "was saddamn involved in 9/11?" you would get the same answer.

[kane]

oops here is the link to the Washington Post article
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Jul22.html

[Porn Farmer]

Originally Posted by Splum

I hate but RESPECT my enemy, they stand for something.
I simply just HATE people like you who stand for absolutely nothing.

I stand for not fucking with other people or, on a national level, not fucking with other countries.

Your fucking with other countries got you 9/11.... no doubt in the future it will get you more of the same. For every action there are consequences. When are you going to wake up and realise that?

Dont start nuthin' and there wont be nuthin'

[Some Guy]

I can't stand anything about Rosie. She's a fat, obnoxious, loud-mouthed cunt who isn't even remotely funny.

[GatorB]

By the way to clear some things up I'm not a democrat I'm a independant. When I first registered to vote in 1987 at I registered as a Repubilcan. I fact I voted for Jack Kemp I the GOP primary in 1988 and voted for Bush I in 1988 election. Of the 20 years as a registered voter, I spent 6 as a republican and the last 14 as in INDEPENDANT. So I can talk shit about the GOP if I want. Once the GOP decides to kick the Jesus freaks to the curb and actually start practicing the "less government in people's lives" motto they preach maybe I'll reconsider them.