So I joined Suicide Girls ...

[Twisted Dave]

Actually ... I bought Perrie (TwistedGirl) one ... she loves Suicide Girls. And I thought, fuck it, I'll buy one too :P

So we both have accounts.

Ok, firstly... it's not a straight ahead softporn site... it's a massive community. It has private profiles that other members can speak to you with ... almost like MySpace, but 10 times better because it has less allowance to the user to fuck their profile up ... it has image albums per user too. When you look at a SG's images, it pops up a viewer that is also used when the normal members have images... quite nice.

Also, it's got discussion forums etc.

And of course, over 1000 girls.

Video... images... etc.

Some people dislike the concept behind it ... and until now, I was not really sure. But... I actually think it's great.

Now that I have real experience with it... It rules

And Perrie is happy too So that's all that matters

[RogerV]

www.InkandPink.com rules

[layinglow]

Originally Posted by RogerV

www.InkandPink.com rules

that peice site of shit isn't even on SG's radar

[Humpy Leftnut]

They have an affil program too. Doesn't pay much per sale though

[Clark]

I would have given you a free acct at GodsGirls.com ... but now you sound like an SG zombie

[Z]

I'm a big SG fan...I LOVE that kind of girl.

[igotmeg]

I WANT A GG account! :D plz and thx

[Twisted Dave]

Originally Posted by Clark

I would have given you a free acct at GodsGirls.com ... but now you sound like an SG zombie

Hey man ... we did do you a kick ass toon ;) You really should hit me up on ICQ about that GG account Perrie and me are big fans of the girls there

Don't forget me

[vvq]

too bad they miss out on tons of revenue because they don't wanna be associated with the adult industry. fuck 'em.

[KrisKross]

Originally Posted by Clark

I would have given you a free acct at GodsGirls.com ... but now you sound like an SG zombie

I'd love a free GodsGirls account. I'm a huge fan of Apneatic and Dahlia

Annaliese mentioned that you had an affiliate program in the works. Any news on that? And will it be more webmaster-friendly than SG's program?

[KrisKross]

Originally Posted by vvq

too bad they miss out on tons of revenue because they don't wanna be associated with the adult industry. fuck 'em.

I wouldn't say a site with somewhere in the ballpark of 20000 active members who recur for years and 1100+ models to be missing out on much of anything.

[GigoloMason]

Originally Posted by KrisKross

I wouldn't say a site with somewhere in the ballpark of 20000 active members who recur for years and 1100+ models to be missing out on much of anything.

Just because you're doing well doesn't mean you can't be doing better

[ninavain]

Originally Posted by twisted Illustration

Actually ... I bought Perrie (TwistedGirl) one ... she loves Suicide Girls. And I thought, fuck it, I'll buy one too :P

So we both have accounts.

Ok, firstly... it's not a straight ahead softporn site... it's a massive community. It has private profiles that other members can speak to you with ... almost like MySpace, but 10 times better because it has less allowance to the user to fuck their profile up ... it has image albums per user too. When you look at a SG's images, it pops up a viewer that is also used when the normal members have images... quite nice.

Also, it's got discussion forums etc.

And of course, over 1000 girls.

Video... images... etc.

Some people dislike the concept behind it ... and until now, I was not really sure. But... I actually think it's great.

Now that I have real experience with it... It rules

And Perrie is happy too So that's all that matters

well just be ready to never be able to cancel your membership unless you cancel your credit card..They make it impossible to cancel

[Sultry_Selenia]

Originally Posted by KrisKross

Annaliese mentioned that you had an affiliate program in the works. Any news on that? And will it be more webmaster-friendly than SG's program?

I'd love to know this as well.

[Twisted Dave]

Originally Posted by vvq

too bad they miss out on tons of revenue because they don't wanna be associated with the adult industry. fuck 'em.

Well, this thread isn't really a business thread.

I couldn't give two shits if they don't wanna be associated.

To be honest, if you've ever used the site, you'll know, it's far from porn. It's much more alternative erotica which is a different thing really. It's just nudes at it's most extreme. In this day and age, nudes can happily, if marketed right, be mainstream.

Hell, the Suicide Girls burlesque show just went on tour with Guns N' Roses last year.

So I actually don't see why they'd wanna be associated with the adult industry officially.

And I also don't see why you say "fuck em" because of it...

I like the site, and I like the concept. And I'm not a webmaster, so I can appreciate it from just one point of view instead of worrying about making any $$$ from it :P

[Twisted Dave]

Originally Posted by ninavain

well just be ready to never be able to cancel your membership unless you cancel your credit card..They make it impossible to cancel

1) I can't imagine wanting to cancel it ...

2) if I do... I'll do it via my bank. I guarantee you I wont have a problem My bank allows me to cancel everything or put blocks on stuff

[tenderobject]

i would want to fuck one of them

[_Rush_]

I used to be a member because I really liked one of their girls (Quinne). Cancellation was also easy. And yes, I thought that it was a great site model.

They don't want to be associated with adult because they're a "celebration of skin and ink", while we are merely pornographers :D

[tony286]

I always found them very innovative

[chupacabra]

suicide girls have some damn hot content, i loved the law & order (or was it CSI?) episode they did rocked..

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

I've heard from models that the SG contract sucks...the pay isn't that good and this is made worse since they can't work for others...

From Wikipedia:

A primary issue is the SuicideGirls modeling contract, which prevents its models (including past models, for a time) from working for competing sites or agencies (specifically those dealing in nude photography and/or erotica).

The standard modeling agreement for SuicideGirls includes a "Non-Competition" clause, barring any model that signs it from modeling for an "SG Competitor" during the one or more years in which the model is under contract with SuicideGirls, plus an additional two years.

Many of the former models involved in the 2005 dispute are now involved with the competing sites GodsGirls, and Deviant Nation. Both sites have been sued by SuicideGirls LLC for hiring models who were allegedly still under contract with SuicideGirls and for allegedly violating SuicideGirls trademarks.

Several former models were also threatened with legal action. As of June 2006, none of SuicideGirls LLC's lawsuits or threatened actions against former models or competing sites has resulted in a victory for the plaintiff.

I went to check into this more on the SG web site and got this instead:



ADG Webmaster

[KrisKross]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

I've heard from models that the SG contract sucks...the pay isn't that good and this is made worse since they can't work for others...

From Wikipedia:



I went to check into this more on the SG web site and got this instead:



ADG Webmaster

They pay $500 USD for a solo, softcore shoot where showing pink isn't mandatory. While I'm no content producer, I'm pretty sure that's above industry standard. If the set is shot by an official SG photographer, the photographer also gets either $200 or $300.

The contract has since been updated. And it doesn't say that they can't work for anyone else, they simply can't work for competitors. Many SGs model on the site for other softcore/non-nude/mainstream sites. Not only that, many of them sell prints from other photographers through their SG journals. On top of that, they also sell loads of other goods and services through the site (for example, an SG in Vancouver makes great money selling synthetic dreads to other SGs and members).

The site is actually down at the moment since they're in the process of adding a few new features as well as making modifications to the design/layout.

[QuaWee]

i never found those type of gals attractive until that site was created

[MattO]

You would think that by now they'd offer their content in higher resolution. And their .mov files are too compressed, and much of their archived .mov files are corrupt and don't even work.

[Clark]

Originally Posted by KrisKross

I'd love a free GodsGirls account. I'm a huge fan of Apneatic and Dahlia

Annaliese mentioned that you had an affiliate program in the works. Any news on that? And will it be more webmaster-friendly than SG's program?

GG is working on the affiliate program. It will be wm-friendly which is why I'm involved. However, it'll start out slowly, mostly for models to use, then bring on some of you heavy hitters.

email me clark AT nichebucks.com re: the acct

[Clark]

Originally Posted by twisted Illustration

Hey man ... we did do you a kick ass toon ;) You really should hit me up on ICQ about that GG account Perrie and me are big fans of the girls there

Don't forget me

I still need to get you to do another toon or two..
email me clark AT nichebucks.com re:the acct

[Clark]

KrisKross - maybe you should look into some of the girls that have left SG and how SG tried to enforce their bullshit model agreement. I wouldn't call them too model friendly considering once the sued a girl for working for GG, got a default judgement then tried to get a lien against her house...real classy. GG assisted her to get this overturned

btw- they didn't start paying $500 a set until about six mo. ago (post GG rise) and even then they might only buy one set a year from the girl..wow $500 and a 30 year exclusive contract..they must really care about the models

wish I could tell you more but you'll get to see much more when the GG v. SG lawsuit wraps up..plenty of public docs for everyone

...really not in the spirit of Twisted thread...I apologize

[Linkster]

Ive always thought Burning Angel was way far ahead of SG's - but then they do get hardcore which puts them in a different and better league

[Halcyon]

For a webmaster-friendly program with a solid rep among models AND webmasters, make sure you promote www.Spookycash.com

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by layinglow

that peice site of shit isn't even on SG's radar

give me 6 months and I'll blow them out of the water..

http://www.inkandpink.com/maintour.php/14/48/A

and

[Clark]

Nice job with inkandpink.com Roger!

[aico]

They are scammers and fuck the girls over every chance they get.

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by vvq

too bad they miss out on tons of revenue because they don't wanna be associated with the adult industry. fuck 'em.

Well, when you're a decent size company who has a reputation of fucking people over then it's probably not in your best interest in associate with us pornographers who will end up outing you for your evil ways.

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by aico

They are scammers and fuck the girls over every chance they get.

What he said.

[Chris Corn]

Originally Posted by Clark

KrisKross - maybe you should look into some of the girls that have left SG and how SG tried to enforce their bullshit model agreement. I wouldn't call them too model friendly considering once the sued a girl for working for GG, got a default judgement then tried to get a lien against her house...real classy. GG assisted her to get this overturned

btw- they didn't start paying $500 a set until about six mo. ago (post GG rise) and even then they might only buy one set a year from the girl..wow $500 and a 30 year exclusive contract..they must really care about the models

wish I could tell you more but you'll get to see much more when the GG v. SG lawsuit wraps up..plenty of public docs for everyone

...really not in the spirit of Twisted thread...I apologize

Ditto on these statements. Most of the sets get declined anyway for not being whatever it is that they want. Sometimes no reason is given or they aren't pink enough or whatever it is that they want. I know this first hand as I know a shooter who has submitted several times, mostly accepted and sometimes declined. $500 to the model and what does the photographer get? Answer: a by-line. They'd be lucky to get two sets up/year as they are so backlogged, they cant approve the sets fast enough anyway. Most of the models are retarded too, I've tried to work with a few and they are mostly headcases. Probably some good apples in the bunch, but if I find out they are SG girls, I give the work to someone else.

[IllTestYourGirls]

I took some pics for my ex GF for them

[MikeVega]

Originally Posted by RogerV

give me 6 months and I'll blow them out of the water..

http://www.inkandpink.com/maintour.php/14/48/A

and

Roger . I have to say that i love the site. in-fact I'm a bit jealous that it's not mine The design looks great. I'd love to get a temp pass to check it out. Those are my type of girls and the quality of content looks really good.

Hook a brotha up ..

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by RogerV

www.InkandPink.com rules

RogerV contact me ICQ. I can help you kill them!

[Twisted Dave]

I'll say one thing in defence ...

a LOT of the girls on SG do not want to be models. They just like to exhibit themselves and love the idea of being one. For the fun of it. I know quite a few girls who are/have been/want to be Suicide Girls ... and not one of them even considers the option of working for someone else.

That said ... it sucks that there's so much negativity about it too

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Although it was a bit of a threadjack, very impressive site there, RogerV...

ADG Webmaster

[KrisKross]

Originally Posted by Chris Corn

Ditto on these statements. Most of the sets get declined anyway for not being whatever it is that they want. Sometimes no reason is given or they aren't pink enough or whatever it is that they want. I know this first hand as I know a shooter who has submitted several times, mostly accepted and sometimes declined. $500 to the model and what does the photographer get? Answer: a by-line. They'd be lucky to get two sets up/year as they are so backlogged, they cant approve the sets fast enough anyway. Most of the models are retarded too, I've tried to work with a few and they are mostly headcases. Probably some good apples in the bunch, but if I find out they are SG girls, I give the work to someone else.

Loads of models are headcases, not just SGs. And official photographers get paid for the sets they shoot, even if the sets are rejected. They also often get travel expenses comped. A friend of mine shoots for SG for a living, which is more than a byline. If you're not an official photographer, you should be charging your models anyways.

As for the contracts and compensation; the majority of SGs are not doing it for the money. If you look through the group of hopeful SGs, you'll see that the most of them attribute something special to being an SG, as if it was a prestigious title or something (which I think is retarded, personally). Loads of them would forgo payment if it meant they'd become SGs.

Those who sought a modeling career outside the site and were subsequently sued definitely got a shitty deal. While I don't know the full details and I've heard loads of bullshit from both sides, the general consensus all around is that the whole situation was blown absurdly out of proportion by the people behind SG. Lawsuits are not a good way to win people over.

I'm not saying that the SG crew are angels or that the site has a spotless track record. I'm just saying that there are two sides to every coin.

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by MikeVega

Roger . I have to say that i love the site. in-fact I'm a bit jealous that it's not mine The design looks great. I'd love to get a temp pass to check it out. Those are my type of girls and the quality of content looks really good.

Hook a brotha up ..

no prob.. had a death in the family so I'm out of town. when I get back I'll hook you

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Although it was a bit of a threadjack, very impressive site there, RogerV...

ADG Webmaster

It was a threadjack cause I'm gunning for them..

And thanks

SG is a great site we are just adding many other levels they dont have

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by Halcyon

For a webmaster-friendly program with a solid rep among models AND webmasters, make sure you promote www.Spookycash.com

Aw thanks

This is why the girls of Blue Blood's SpookyCash love Halcyon . . . well, one of the reasons




PS Are you comping all webmasters, Clark?

[vidvicious]

Originally Posted by MikeVega

Roger . I have to say that i love the site. in-fact I'm a bit jealous that it's not mine The design looks great. I'd love to get a temp pass to check it out. Those are my type of girls and the quality of content looks really good.

Hook a brotha up ..

Hit me up sometime .. i got stuff to discuss