Canadians - STFU about USA gun control already

[Splum]

In all these "gun control" threads today I see a bunch of Canadians telling American citizens that America should ban guns. Its fucking cracking me up.

[Big_Red]

agreed.....

My right as an AMERICAN!
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

[Big_Red]

I repeat. "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!"

[DirtyDanza]

amen..... now lets all have like a webcam gun cleaning party damnit

[Big_Red]

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

amen..... now lets all have like a webcam gun cleaning party damnit

[Phoenix]

hey we got lots of guns up here.

i just dont think there is a need for super high powered hand guns...no assault rifles..or automatic ones.

unless you are actually defending your country..they ar simply people hunters

a normal rifle for hunting deer etc is all you need

if you really want a hand gun...properly licensed isnt an issue


but should be immediate 15 yrs in jail for even posessing one without using it..if you dont have a license

[_Richard_]

don't think any of us has said "ban guns".. we haven't banned guns here.. i think everyone is just trying to justify something

[BlackCrayon]

Most gun owners do not fall under the catagory "a well regulated milita" but i am not for "banning" guns or even more gun control. I think as canadians, a country who has a lot of guns (not assualt rifles) but very little gun deaths, you guys should maybe open your ears a little bit.

[96ukssob]

just to toss in my ...

first I am really on neither side of gun control, but I do think that it does help to be able to carry a gun. I remember reading some story about how the crime rate in either texas or florida dropped quite significantly after citizens were allowed to carry guns (looking for the article to post)

my guess... if you are a criminal in california and walk into a Jack In The Box and hold the place up, there is a really small chance that anyone will have a gun in the restraurant and the chances of any conflict between you and getting that $20 in the register are small.

However, if you do that in Texas, my guess is 3/4 of anywhere you are going is packing a gun. You pull out a gun to hold up a store, im willing to bet that there will be 20 guns pointed in your direction.

now im not saying that this will solve anything, but its pretty much fighting fire with fire by allowing citizens to carry guns.

I'm a Canadian and I wish we had less gun control up here. I'd like to get my grubby little mitts on a Desert Eagle but the laws up here are too strict to be bothered.

[C-Bass]

You're completely right. You guys should be able to keep all your gun laws!

Dont you worry about us...we'll keep our mouths shut. Feel free to carry on with your population control...or as you guys call it: "Right to Bear Arms"

Let us know when you're dont shooting each other up, so we can come down and visit

[stickyfingerz]

I think the Charleston Heston catch phrase should be added as an Amendment...

"From my cold dead hands!!!"

[Splum]

Canadians with all due respect, you have your culture and we have ours, you let us worry about our culture mmkay?

[directfiesta]

NP

as long as you guys keep killing americans only.....

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Splum

Canadians with all due respect, you have your culture and we have ours, you let us worry about our culture mmkay?

as long as you START worrying about it, completely agreeable

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by Splum

Canadians with all due respect, you have your culture and we have ours, you let us worry about our culture mmkay?

Only if you guys start letting us worry about our own culture... and we all know that will not happen.

[yys]

This Canadian thinks there are too many handguns in circulation in the U.S.A for gun control to work.

You should go the opposite way and make it against the law not to be strapped if your over 18. That way when some nut job goes off they get turned into a pink mist quick fast.

[dready]

I'm Canadian and will talk about gun control all I want... we could sure use less of it here.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Mr.Sexbankroll

as long as you START worrying about it, completely agreeable

How about worrying about your own gun problems?

Nastaran Yadollahi of Toronto said, "My brother Soroush was shot and killed in Toronto earlier this year. We still don't know the reason, who did it, or where the gun came from? All we know is that we lost a young man with a bright future and our lives are irreparably damaged. It is hard even to put into words the costs for me, his father, and his mother, who are also here today. However, there is no doubt in my mind that stronger controls on guns are important, not just in Canada but in the US, as guns know no borders. My family has committed to working with victims of gun violence and community groups to fight the scourge of guns. We ask all politicians to place a priority on public safety. They must support strong controls in Canada, help keep our borders strong and work internationally for better controls. Our family is committed to working to prevent others from suffering as we have."

Fran Clement of Niagara Falls, Ontario said "My daughter Renee Nina Joynson, 23, was shot, with a legally owned rifle, by an acquaintance, who was being treated for depression. She was my only child. How can I possibly begin to explain the impact? A part of me died when she died. And I don't want the lack of gun control to affect anyone the way it has affected my life. We can't let politicians be wishy washy about the laws. The new system is designed to reduce the chances that people who are a threat to themselves or others will not get access to guns. It may not be perfect but it is certainly necessary. To suggest that legally owned guns are not a problem is to ignore the price many of us have paid because those guns are in the wrong hands. To suggest that rifles and shotguns are not a problem is to ignore the fact that they kill people just as effectively as handguns. If we had more women in parliament we would not even be talking about this."

Sandra Goerzen of St. Catharines, Ontario, said, "My daughter Vikki was 30 years old when she was shot and killed in Victoria B.C. by common-law spouse with his father's rifle "borrowed" after heavy drinking. Could the new law have prevented her death? I will never know. But what I do know is that women's groups from across the country have written to politicians in support of the law. They emphasize that guns are not just a problem in big cities but in smaller communities where there are more guns there are more victims. They also say that stronger controls contained in the 1991 and 1995 legislation appear to be paying off. Across Canada, statistics show that there has been a dramatic decline in murders of women with firearms - more than 50% in the past decade alone. Rather than catering to the opponents of the legislation, we demand a review to address ways to strengthen it. Politicians who claim that rifles and shotguns are not a problem and who insist that gun control "punishes" gun owners are missing the point. Access to firearms is one of the top five risk factors in domestic homicide. Several inquests into domestic violence have recommended licensing gun owners and registering guns in order to prevent tragedies. However, our voices are drowned out by the vocal opponents and gun lobby rhetoric which seems to dominate the media. This is not a partisan issue. And we don't want to "punish" gun owners but want to protect women and children from being threatened and killed with guns. Getting a license and registering a gun is a small price to pay given the risks. The costs of implementing the system are small compared to the costs to victims, to the health care and justice systems and the costs of treating those who have been traumatized by guns."

Karen Vanscoy, of St. Catharines, Ontario added "My daughter Jasmine was only 14 years old. Still a child. She was shot to death in our home by a young offender with a stolen gun. It is very painful for me to come and relive that time and time again but although it is difficult, it seems necessary. When there is a tragedy, people wring their hands. They grieve for the victims and their families. They ask "why did this happen?" "How could this have been prevented?" When it comes to the problem of gun violence, we have at least some of the answers. Gun control works and it is a small price to pay for the benefits. I live in St. Catharines, just 20 miles from the US border. In 2002 there were 149 gun murders in Canada, in the United States, there were 10,800. We do have problems with the smuggling of guns smuggled in from the US where there are as many guns as people, but there is no question, gun control is an investment in the safety of our country and one of the things that separates us from the US. I find it particularly alarming to hear the Conservative refer the "right" to own guns. No such "right" exists in Canada. The Supreme Court has made that abundantly clear. "In recent weeks it seems that almost every day, some gun owner is quoted complaining about the law but there is scarcely a word about those who support the law. I am a nurse in a psychiatric hospital and I know the law is strongly supported by health professionals including nurses associations, emergency physicians and public health experts as well as the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police. More than seventy women's groups from every part of the country issued a statement earlier this week emphasizing how important the law is in preventing domestic violence and that it is working. But their voices seem drowned out by the well-resourced and vocal gun lobby."

Noel and Joyce Farion from Edmonton, Alberta were unable to attend, but sent the following statement: "You cannot say you speak for victims and oppose gun control. Our son Scott was 17 years old when he was shot in the back of the head in Edmonton, Alberta by two young offenders. The gun they used had been stolen from a gun collector. We know all to well that virtually every illegal gun begins as a legal gun and that controls on legal gun owners are critical. We have travelled across the country time and time again to tell the politicians to stop playing politics with gun control and get on with implementing the law."

[Big_Red]

Originally Posted by bossku69

just to toss in my ...

first I am really on neither side of gun control, but I do think that it does help to be able to carry a gun. I remember reading some story about how the crime rate in either texas or florida dropped quite significantly after citizens were allowed to carry guns (looking for the article to post)

my guess... if you are a criminal in california and walk into a Jack In The Box and hold the place up, there is a really small chance that anyone will have a gun in the restraurant and the chances of any conflict between you and getting that $20 in the register are small.

However, if you do that in Texas, my guess is 3/4 of anywhere you are going is packing a gun. You pull out a gun to hold up a store, im willing to bet that there will be 20 guns pointed in your direction.

now im not saying that this will solve anything, but its pretty much fighting fire with fire by allowing citizens to carry guns.

i have lived in both states, and you are right on par. some thug who thinks you might be packing is most likely not gonna fuck with ya.

my brother lives in tampa fl and is registered to carry a gun for many years. two times he had to pull it and fire to save his life. he did say this, both times when he pulled the gun. the bad guys would literally shit there pants. why? because they were not expecting to be drawn back down on.

[Ross]

My girlfriend and I want to move to the US but shit like this makes us think. Weighing it all up, living in the US is far better than living in the UK... especially as I'm paid in Dollars. All this talk about Guns etc tho is just stupid.

No matter what anyone thinks, I doubt there will be any change to Gun laws in the US. No matter how many people say it should be banned or it shouldn't its not gonna happen.

My personal opinion is that I don't understand the need for most Americans to own a gun. We get on just fine in Europe without everyone having a gun at home. Thats just my opinion tho.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Anthony

How about worrying about your own gun problems?

what? the problem of where all those guns come from in the first place? we have worried about it.. you tell us "nothing can be done but militarizing the border".. lack of imagination i'd say

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Mr.Sexbankroll

what? the problem of where all those guns come from in the first place? we have worried about it.. you tell us "nothing can be done but militarizing the border".. lack of imagination i'd say

So let me get this straight. Now you are saying it's not our fault because the guns don't come from Canada?

Nice. Pass the buck some more.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Anthony

So let me get this straight. Now you are saying it's not our fault because the guns don't come from Canada?

Nice. Pass the buck some more.

not sure where you're confused.. guns are a big seller in the states.. US sells em legally to basically everyone, and the criminals sell them illegally to basically everyone.

how am i passing the buck? America has yet again gone through a horrific school shooting that was perpetrated via the easy access to weapons. Regardless of whether a gun control would have stopped this, it sure would have helped prevent it.

It's funny that you accuse ME of passing the buck, when all you're trying to do is justify not doing ANYTHING about it

R

[Beejeebers]

I'm Canadian and I don't care if americans have gun control or not, it doesn't matter to me.

That kid who shot up the school would have bought a gun on the black market if he really wanted to kill a bunch of people, so gun control wouldn't have helped.

There is no cure for psycho people going on killing sprees. Just cross your fingers and hope you're not on the other end of the gun one day...

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Mr.Sexbankroll

not sure where you're confused.. guns are a big seller in the states.. US sells em legally to basically everyone, and the criminals sell them illegally to basically everyone.

how am i passing the buck? America has yet again gone through a horrific school shooting that was perpetrated via the easy access to weapons. Regardless of whether a gun control would have stopped this, it sure would have helped prevent it.

It's funny that you accuse ME of passing the buck, when all you're trying to do is justify not doing ANYTHING about it

R

I have yet to make a statement about anything, don't ASSume.

You on the other hand, say we need to do something about our gun deaths, while Canada has it's share. People in glass houses and all.

I bet you didn't even read what I posted, especially parts about those Canadian Gun Deaths from LEGALLY owned guns.

Keep pointing that finger, and passing that buck. You do a great job.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Beejeebers

I'm Canadian and I don't care if americans have gun control or not, it doesn't matter to me.

That kid who shot up the school would have bought a gun on the black market if he really wanted to kill a bunch of people, so gun control wouldn't have helped.

There is no cure for psycho people going on killing sprees. Just cross your fingers and hope you're not on the other end of the gun one day...

Best post in this thread.

Some people don't always like the truth.

[Babaganoosh]

Originally Posted by Mr.Sexbankroll

not sure where you're confused.. guns are a big seller in the states.. US sells em legally to basically everyone, and the criminals sell them illegally to basically everyone.

how am i passing the buck? America has yet again gone through a horrific school shooting that was perpetrated via the easy access to weapons. Regardless of whether a gun control would have stopped this, it sure would have helped prevent it.

It's funny that you accuse ME of passing the buck, when all you're trying to do is justify not doing ANYTHING about it

R

You're Canadian. This is an American issue. Your input in this issue is as worthless as my opinion of how you should build your next igloo.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Best post in this thread.

Some people don't always like the truth.

So why the " war on drugs "....

Even tough it is illegal, it is easely available .... so let it be legal ....

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Beejeebers

There is no cure for psycho people going on killing sprees. Just cross your fingers and hope you're not on the other end of the gun one day...

Id rather carry a gun than be defenseless against such attacks.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

You're Canadian. This is an American issue. Your input in this issue is as worthless as my opinion of how you should build your next igloo.

which is why america is where it is today. You seem to think canadians are mexicans in sweaters. You're dead wrong.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Anthony

I have yet to make a statement about anything, don't ASSume.

You on the other hand, say we need to do something about our gun deaths, while Canada has it's share. People in glass houses and all.

I bet you didn't even read what I posted, especially parts about those Canadian Gun Deaths from LEGALLY owned guns.

Keep pointing that finger, and passing that buck. You do a great job.

you haven't made a statement? how is that? you asked about our own problems with guns and violence, and posted an canadian article about gun violence in canada. that, is a statement

I haven't said ONCE that canada doesn't have it's share. i bet you haven't thought once that what i'm trying to say. Gun control isn't to prevent crazy people from getting guns, it's to prevent normal people who get their guns, and have those guns stolen and given to crazy people.

You can insult me all you want. Apparently what you need is this to happen a few dozen more times.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

So why the " war on drugs "....

Even tough it is illegal, it is easely available .... so let it be legal ....

Show me in the Bill of Rights where it says it is a right to do drugs?

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Mr.Sexbankroll

which is why america is where it is today. You seem to think canadians are mexicans in sweaters. You're dead wrong.

Sounds like you are more in this thread because you got little man syndrome, more than anything else.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Splum

Show me in the Bill of Rights where it says it is a right to do drugs?

freedom of speech, freedom of mobility? should about cover it

[flashfire]

obviously the US needs better gun control...why does anyone need automatic weapons?

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Mr.Sexbankroll

you haven't made a statement? how is that? you asked about our own problems with guns and violence, and posted an canadian article about gun violence in canada. that, is a statement

I haven't said ONCE that canada doesn't have it's share. i bet you haven't thought once that what i'm trying to say. Gun control isn't to prevent crazy people from getting guns, it's to prevent normal people who get their guns, and have those guns stolen and given to crazy people.

You can insult me all you want. Apparently what you need is this to happen a few dozen more times.

Dude, you need help, I tried to make sense of your post and what you were trying to say, and you failed.

A gunman with a Mohawk haircut and black clothing opened fire inside Montreal's Dawson College on Wednesday, killing one woman and wounding 19 others.

Police had earlier believed there were as many as four gunmen, as shots reportedly continued to be heard.

For all your rhetoric on gun control, didn't stop from a school getting shot up in Canada, eh? Glass houses again.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...hub=TopStories

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Mr.Sexbankroll

freedom of speech, freedom of mobility? should about cover it

Get off the BC Bud, nowhere does it say that.

Freedom of Speech = Freedom to smoke crack. Yeah ok.

[OldJeff]

Gun Control Laws = Less Gun Deaths

Just Like

2257 = No Child Porn

[shoeaholicanon]

that is why there is more trouble in the US than Canada....because US are pro-gun.
There's no reason for the average joe to have a gun.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Dude, you need help, I tried to make sense of your post and what you were trying to say, and you failed.



For all your rhetoric on gun control, didn't stop from a school getting shot up in Canada, eh? Glass houses again.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...hub=TopStories

so i mistakenly add "that", and it screwed up your reading comprehension?

very good.. "glass houses". I believe i've mentioned where a good junk of illegal and unregistered guns come from.

furthermore, i don't think i've ever said "we're better" or "we don't have gun violence here".

What i see, is people crying, asking why, and on the SAME breath, "it's my constitutional RIGHT to bear arms". Frankly, you already have two.. should be enough.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Get off the BC Bud, nowhere does it say that.

Freedom of Speech = Freedom to smoke crack. Yeah ok.

get... off... state sponsored... medeia

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Splum

Show me in the Bill of Rights where it says it is a right to do drugs?

stay out ... this is way above your mental capabilities

[FetishTom]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

I think the Charleston Heston catch phrase should be added as an Amendment...

"From my cold dead hands!!!"

The operative word being "dead"

..and still not seeing the logic here. Gun related deaths in the US off the scale compared to UK (and other western countries) yet your solution is for more guns and for everyone to be 'packing' (damn I love talking yankee!). I mean so far its not really working for you is it?

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Mr.Sexbankroll

get... off... state sponsored... medeia

Y A W N.

Thanks.

Please, I saw more illegal guns and shootings in Vancouver than I have Fort Lauderdale.

But I guess they don't matter because East Indians, Nammers and Chinks don't count in Vancouver.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

stay out ... this is way above your mental capabilities

He has a point.

We are allowed by our Consittution to bear arms.

The strawman argument of drugs being illegal, has no bearing in this thread.

Comparing apples to oranges.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Y A W N.

Thanks.

Please, I saw more illegal guns and shootings in Vancouver than I have Fort Lauderdale.

But I guess they don't matter because East Indians, Nammers and Chinks don't count in Vancouver.

"y a w n"?

I haven't seen or heard anyone do that since highschool.. thanks for the laugh

Yea, shootings in Vancouver.. very good, one of two canadian ports on the pacific rim. you got me there..

good luck with your justification campaign... i'm still laughing at your statement of my not reading your posts.. considering

[sherie]

Do they not do background checks in the US before issuing guns? I'm just curious why people that clearly have a history of mental illness can still obtain guns legally?

Also, wasn't the right the bare arms implemented when people were firing off muscats? lol

Is it really necessary to have machine guns and assault rifles on city streets anywhere in the world?

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Anthony

He has a point.

We are allowed by our Consittution to bear arms.

The strawman argument of drugs being illegal, has no bearing in this thread.

Comparing apples to oranges.

actually we should.. you seem pretty "gunho " about your right to bare arms..

whats your opinion on freedom of speech, right to representation, you know.. everything that is actually worth a damn on the 'precious' document?

you say apples to oranges.. but in reality, you're making quite the joke on yourself

[Angelo22]

Yes, what the fuck is the point of owning guns anyway?
personal defence? dont fool yourself