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08-20-2002, 02:32 AM

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Originally posted by Pornwolf
You know what Equinox, I would normally agree with you. Not on the attitude argument though. All through history the success of countries has been determined by who is stronger. Nothing is different today. If Russia didn't have a history of having nukes(strength) they would matter to us as much as Greenland does. A nations status is still determined by strength. We are strongest. Sometimes we have to bark at the other dogs to remind them and keep them scared. So be it.

I think the way this 'terrorism' issue is being handled is very Cowboy like. But it is being handled by a Cowboy so that explains it. I'm sure if we were actually fighting terrorists we would have killed them, their babies, and erased their history from their local library for future generations. Maybe I'm a little too confident in our military but that's what I believe. I'm sure Pathfinder could tell me if I'm off base. I don't think we are hunting terrorists at all.

Ya know, measuring a state's power by the amount of nukes he's got in his bunker, that's a joke. Just imagine a conflict where India would nuke Pakistan, and vice versa, Saddam would send out chemical weapons and nukes, and the US would nuke them all ... uhm yeah right. Ain't gonna happen. Why not ? Cuz our beloved Mother Earth would not be anything more or less than a radiating piece of junk. That's what everybody's scared of. An escalating conflict. That's why hopefully there's gonna be a worldwide treaty on destroying those nukes, because they're simply useless.
Nowadays, I would measure the strength of a state on the economy. But who am I to judge that

Killing terrorists ... hmm. Basically a good idea, but what I think is that once you wipe out one of the leading assholes, another one will emerge that will find blind sheep to follow him. Just like there's always Neo-Nazi movements emerging in Germany, whose history is nothing less than a DARK RED chapter that nobody really wants to be reminded of.

Pathfinder · 08-20-2002, 02:46 AM

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Originally posted by Equinox

From what I understood, the extremist muslim world got pissed at the US, because they did not leave the Holy Land after the Gulf War was over. That was one of the reasons why there is such hatred going on in the East.

That is one of the reasons.

Strategically speaking it is wise to have military forces prepositioned. We have military forces and logistics prepositioned throughout much of the World.

We are the worlds only super power and as a Nation our government is going to protect that status. Whatever our government determines is in the best interest of the Nation it will do.

We left prepositioned forces in the Mid East as the Mid East oil fields are vital to the World at large. Those oil fields are more important to you in the European countries than they are to us. Today we could decide not to buy another barrel of oil from the Mid East and survive it. European countries could not.

At this point in time we buy Mid East oil because it is economically viable. If Europe did not have to have the oil, we probably would simply withdraw from that part of the world.

Europe is economically important to the USA so it is important to our interests that their economy remain reasonably sound, so protecting, or waging war over the Mid East oil is beneficial to our interests but is vital for European interests.

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Now, if you think it is better to provoke others with your behavior, piss them off, get your ass kicked (see Sept. 11th) and then run a revenge campaign that will again piss even more people off ... ok, sure thing. Just don't be surprised if more innnocent fall as victims to an ignorant Bush regime.

The loss of two buildings and 3,000 people out of a Nation of 270-280 million people is not getting "your ass kicked". It was an important act, but far from getting "your ass kicked".

The Government acts, for what it considers to be, in the best interests of the Nation. If this in turn means pissing off whoever, then the Government has considered that the ends justifies the means. Super Powers can do that.

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Isn't it that many allied (with the west) countries surrounding Iraq voted against an attack on Saddam Hussein, because they are afraid of a massive economic recession in case Bush launched a sudden attack ?

Some of the nations you are speaking of have been dealing with Sadam, in violation of their aggreement to a blockade of certain goods. They would like to continue with their little sweetheart deals, and don't want all that they have been doing exposed.

The bottom line is our government does act, and will continue to act, in what they think is in the best interests of the Nation with little care as to the minor irritant of pissing someone off. I do not always agree with the thinking of the government but I chose to be a soldier not a polictician, so what I think is of little import.

Pathfinder · 08-20-2002, 02:49 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

This is a typical military mindset. These people are not capable of independent thought. They do what they army tells them and they believe what the army tells them. Pathetic conformists.

FUS.

Pathfinder · 08-20-2002, 02:51 AM

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Originally posted by Equinox
*If* the (Quote) "USA is the most powerful Nation in the history of the World, and only fools would dare become our enemy", then please tell me why there was the Cold War, during which both sides were playing Cat&Mouse on the verge of a Third World War ?

Maybe the CCCP were fools, but they were pretty damn fucking powerful enough to scare Big Brother and make him tremble.

Tell me, from the Cold war who is the only remaining Super Power and who is now a third world country with a third world military?

08-20-2002, 03:08 AM

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Originally posted by Pathfinder

Tell me, from the Cold war who is the only remaining Super Power and who is now a third world country with a third world military?

True, thanks to a failed ideology called Marxism.

Pathfinder · 08-20-2002, 03:17 AM

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Originally posted by Equinox

True, thanks to a failed ideology called Marxism.

Their form of government might have survived if they had not foolishly decided to become an enemy of the USA and engage in an arms race which we could afford and they could not.

Because they decided to do this they were always a third world country with a military, and their economy simple collasped.

08-20-2002, 03:38 AM

A country always needs an enemy coexisting. Otherwise people don't get distracted and bitch about the government

Joe Sixpack · 08-20-2002, 03:54 AM

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Originally posted by Pathfinder
Their form of government might have survived if they had not foolishly decided to become an enemy of the USA and engage in an arms race which we could afford and they could not.

Could you afford it?

CLICK HERE and take a look at your nations national debt.

Evil Chris · 08-20-2002, 06:31 AM

the term 'hero' certainly gets overused in this day and age, however Joe Sixpack... your views tend to make me think you're smokin rope.

xxxjay · 08-20-2002, 07:37 AM

my 30th birthday was 9/11/2001 - those bastards ruined it for the rest of my life proablt - it's like a bad 4th of july now :-(

hahmike · 08-20-2002, 07:39 AM

arrogance. the whole "usa power" thing makes me laugh out loud. look at the size of the land. it seems that many of the citizens fail to realise that any strength the usa has is based on numbers and has been built up through allies and agreements with other nations. import and export is a good example.

playing on the arrogant attitude, cut down the population of america and any other non-third world country (germany, uk, france, japan, italy, etc) to the same size, give them both the same equipment and technology, and believe me, usa would not be kicking anyone's ass. that is if the arrogant attitude and in-fighting did not mean the usa's downfall before any combat actually took place.

granted, it would be unfair to see all americans thrown into one boat. but for those that believe the USA is some kind of mighty unstoppable superpower (aka "the BEST") - the funniest thing about that situation would be boasting about how great their land is, and speaking like they and their friends down at the burger joint are personally responsible for every success of their nation. yet they are VERY selective when something goes wrong.

WE won the basketball game. WE bombed them. WE did this. WE did that.

for example, bush does something with success. WE did it with great success!

yet, when something fucks up or bush says/does something stupid, the attitude changes to "HE is an idiot" or "HE failed to do it successfully".

arrogance what the average non-american sees when they look at the usa. and you can't comment on that, let alone understand it, until you can see it from the outsider's perspective - which you'll never be able to do, if you're american. it doesn't apply in all cases of course, and there is always an exception to the rule, but it seems (again, from an outsiders point of view) that there is some kind of inbred attitude going on in the states.

i for one would wonder how the average arrogant "i have an american flag in my garden" pro-american could believe that america is THE global superpower successfully capable of policing the rest of the world, when they can't even fight their own crime problems.

that is an outsiders view. if you don't like it... go fuck yourself. or come to live in another country and speak to enough people. they'll give similar opinions. maybe we could argue the toss all day and all night, but you can't change the facts, let alone dispute them unless you've lived outside of the country long enough to have developed a matured adult opinion similar to those around you. 6 months in london doesn't really count.

---

besides that: terrorists.
i hope they all die a painful death.

Pathfinder · 08-20-2002, 09:00 AM

The collective "we" (which includes ancestors and Burger King workers), for whatever the reasons, in little more than 200 years have become the only Super Power on the earth.

The collective "we" are arrogant and the collective "we" do not care who "we" piss off or their opinons about "us".

Pathfinder · 08-20-2002, 09:50 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

Could you afford it?

CLICK HERE and take a look at your nations national debt.

FUS. We are number one in many areas.

Evil Chris · 08-20-2002, 11:44 AM

What does FUS mean?

hahmike · 08-20-2002, 11:49 AM

fusilier

i think.

Pathfinder · 08-20-2002, 12:08 PM

hahmike:

Nope.

ChrisH · 08-20-2002, 12:58 PM

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Originally posted by Equinox

True, thanks to a failed ideology called Marxism.

You European Assholes always have an excuse!

As with Iraq, you're afraid that if and when we do take Iraq, we'll find documentation that shows most of Europe has been supporting Iraq and ignoring the embargo!!

hehe.... Live free, just thanks us and walk on!

Cluelessjoe,
You're the real idiot of the board here!

Pathfinder · 08-20-2002, 02:45 PM

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Originally posted by ChrisH

Cluelessjoe,
You're the real idiot of the board here!

Well...he is a FUS so one should feel come compassion.

Evil Chris · 08-20-2002, 05:44 PM

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Originally posted by ChrisH

As with Iraq, you're afraid that if and when we do take Iraq, we'll find documentation that shows most of Europe has been supporting Iraq and ignoring the embargo!!

This is simply impossible. Even G7 would pick up on anyone not respecting the embargo.

and... still I don't know what FUS is!?!

Joe Sixpack · 08-20-2002, 06:32 PM

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Originally posted by ChrisH

Cluelessjoe,
You're the real idiot of the board here!

From a fuckwit like you that's actually a compliment. I hope the next hijacked passenger jet will be headed for your street.

Just the Village Idiot · 08-20-2002, 06:48 PM

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Originally posted by hahmike
arrogance. the whole "usa power" thing makes me laugh out loud. look at the size of the land. it seems that many of the citizens fail to realise that any strength the usa has is based on numbers and has been built up through allies and agreements with other nations. import and export is a good example.

playing on the arrogant attitude, cut down the population of america and any other non-third world country (germany, uk, france, japan, italy, etc) to the same size, give them both the same equipment and technology, and believe me, usa would not be kicking anyone's ass. that is if the arrogant attitude and in-fighting did not mean the usa's downfall before any combat actually took place.

granted, it would be unfair to see all americans thrown into one boat. but for those that believe the USA is some kind of mighty unstoppable superpower (aka "the BEST") - the funniest thing about that situation would be boasting about how great their land is, and speaking like they and their friends down at the burger joint are personally responsible for every success of their nation. yet they are VERY selective when something goes wrong.

WE won the basketball game. WE bombed them. WE did this. WE did that.

for example, bush does something with success. WE did it with great success!

yet, when something fucks up or bush says/does something stupid, the attitude changes to "HE is an idiot" or "HE failed to do it successfully".

arrogance what the average non-american sees when they look at the usa. and you can't comment on that, let alone understand it, until you can see it from the outsider's perspective - which you'll never be able to do, if you're american. it doesn't apply in all cases of course, and there is always an exception to the rule, but it seems (again, from an outsiders point of view) that there is some kind of inbred attitude going on in the states.

i for one would wonder how the average arrogant "i have an american flag in my garden" pro-american could believe that america is THE global superpower successfully capable of policing the rest of the world, when they can't even fight their own crime problems.

that is an outsiders view. if you don't like it... go fuck yourself. or come to live in another country and speak to enough people. they'll give similar opinions. maybe we could argue the toss all day and all night, but you can't change the facts, let alone dispute them unless you've lived outside of the country long enough to have developed a matured adult opinion similar to those around you. 6 months in london doesn't really count.

---

besides that: terrorists.
i hope they all die a painful death.

Funny -- your whole argument is (1) how people feel or (2) that without people or weapons the US would get their ass beat.

* News flash *

How people feel doesn't matter and there are the people and the weaponry.

So what now?

ever heard of penis envy?

LisaMarie · 08-20-2002, 07:25 PM

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http://www.themomozone.com/

Tune In to THE Bomb.>>>9-11 tribute from your Friends in Canada !

Pathfinder · 08-20-2002, 10:58 PM

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Originally posted by LisaMarie
Someone just sent me this url...

http://www.themomozone.com/

Tune In to THE Bomb.>>>9-11 tribute from your Friends in Canada !

I checked out the URL. I must have missed something?

08-20-2002, 11:21 PM

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Originally posted by ChrisH

You European Assholes always have an excuse!

As with Iraq, you're afraid that if and when we do take Iraq, we'll find documentation that shows most of Europe has been supporting Iraq and ignoring the embargo!!

hehe.... Live free, just thanks us and walk on!

Cluelessjoe,
You're the real idiot of the board here!

You sorry patriotic sausage. I wish Saddam nuked your ass personally. :rolleyes:

Pathfinder · 08-20-2002, 11:31 PM

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Originally posted by Evil Chris

This is simply impossible. Even G7 would pick up on anyone not respecting the embargo.

and... still I don't know what FUS is!?!

It is apparently common knowledge (as expressed by some of our politicians) that some European countries have been violating the embargo of certain products.

ChrisH · 08-21-2002, 12:13 AM

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Originally posted by Equinox
You sorry patriotic sausage. I wish Saddam nuked your ass personally. :rolleyes:

Equinox,
My hate is personal! I've been to the trade center thousands of times. I truly miss them.

However, I hope Saddam gets a nuke. Maybe he'll hit Berlin than the world can complain.

Most likely he'll hit Israel and no one will care though!

Pathfinder · 08-21-2002, 12:17 AM

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Originally posted by ChrisH

Equinox,
My hate is personal! I've been to the trade center thousands of times. I truly miss them.

However, I hope Saddam gets a nuke. Maybe he'll hit Berlin than the world can complain.

Most likely he'll hit Israel and no one will care though!

There used to be a bumper sticker that said "Rid the Nation of polution. Nuke NYC".

I doubt that they are selling many of them anymore.

Evil Chris · 08-24-2002, 03:07 PM

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Originally posted by Pathfinder

There used to be a bumper sticker that said "Rid the Nation of polution. Nuke NYC".
I doubt that they are selling many of them anymore.

Yeah I'm pretty sure the same guys who made that one now have bumper stickers that read... "Nuke Afghanistan"

I'm happy to say that I visited the twin towers a few years ago.
Got lucky too. We were outside 5 min before it started to rain and they told everyone to come back inside. The view from up there was incredible.

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08-20-2002, 07:39 AM	#111
hahmike So Fucking Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,488	arrogance. the whole "usa power" thing makes me laugh out loud. look at the size of the land. it seems that many of the citizens fail to realise that any strength the usa has is based on numbers and has been built up through allies and agreements with other nations. import and export is a good example. playing on the arrogant attitude, cut down the population of america and any other non-third world country (germany, uk, france, japan, italy, etc) to the same size, give them both the same equipment and technology, and believe me, usa would not be kicking anyone's ass. that is if the arrogant attitude and in-fighting did not mean the usa's downfall before any combat actually took place. granted, it would be unfair to see all americans thrown into one boat. but for those that believe the USA is some kind of mighty unstoppable superpower (aka "the BEST") - the funniest thing about that situation would be boasting about how great their land is, and speaking like they and their friends down at the burger joint are personally responsible for every success of their nation. yet they are VERY selective when something goes wrong. WE won the basketball game. WE bombed them. WE did this. WE did that. for example, bush does something with success. WE did it with great success! yet, when something fucks up or bush says/does something stupid, the attitude changes to "HE is an idiot" or "HE failed to do it successfully". arrogance what the average non-american sees when they look at the usa. and you can't comment on that, let alone understand it, until you can see it from the outsider's perspective - which you'll never be able to do, if you're american. it doesn't apply in all cases of course, and there is always an exception to the rule, but it seems (again, from an outsiders point of view) that there is some kind of inbred attitude going on in the states. i for one would wonder how the average arrogant "i have an american flag in my garden" pro-american could believe that america is THE global superpower successfully capable of policing the rest of the world, when they can't even fight their own crime problems. that is an outsiders view. if you don't like it... go fuck yourself. or come to live in another country and speak to enough people. they'll give similar opinions. maybe we could argue the toss all day and all night, but you can't change the facts, let alone dispute them unless you've lived outside of the country long enough to have developed a matured adult opinion similar to those around you. 6 months in london doesn't really count. --- besides that: terrorists. i hope they all die a painful death. Last edited by hahmike; 08-20-2002 at 07:43 AM..

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08-20-2002, 03:38 AM	#107
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08-20-2002, 09:00 AM	#112
Pathfinder theking of trailer parks Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Tehachapi, California Posts: 2,277	The collective "we" (which includes ancestors and Burger King workers), for whatever the reasons, in little more than 200 years have become the only Super Power on the earth. The collective "we" are arrogant and the collective "we" do not care who "we" piss off or their opinons about "us".

08-20-2002, 11:49 AM	#115
hahmike So Fucking Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,488	fusilier i think.

08-20-2002, 07:25 PM	#122
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