Pit Bulls

[AaronM]

Do you like them? Own one?

What's your opinion of them?

[klinton]

don't like them

[GT-Omar]

I had one, but my wife made me give him away when we had kids. I loved that dog (Tyson) was his name.

[psili]

From what I know, which is very little, they're just a dog with tendencies to be aggressive. I'd wager that it's more the owner's fault for any ill happenings that may occur, as with any other dog. *shrug*

I'd like to note it's funny that when I saw this thread title, "pit bulls", I immediately think of some kid getting mauled by one. Sad, actually.

[thricer]

to aggressive for me...

[GT-Omar]

Originally Posted by psili

From what I know, which is very little, they're just a dog with tendencies to be aggressive. I'd wager that it's more the owner's fault for any ill happenings that may occur, as with any other dog. *shrug*

They get such a bad rap, and your right it's because of most owners. Just like with any animal, if you raise it to be aggressive well don't be surprised if it is.

Most pit's when raised to be a good pet, are just that. Mine was aggressive, only if anything was aggressive towards me. Hence why my wife made me give him away.

[Deej]

blood line is aggressive, bred that way... an animal can be loved and nurtured(from birth) and they will become nice loving animals...to you...wich means protective...

some things trigger protection, especially in canines, some of those things dont make sense to us...but they do to the dog....the most important and tragic mistake that dog can and needs to distinguish in children

[Deej]

I like them though....nice ones.

what pisses me off is thug wanna bes walking these dogs down the road on bailing wire or something they had laying around the house...because they seen Ice cube do it in a movie or some shit...

can be great dogs....im just weary of each and every one until they have proven themselves controled

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Deej

blood line is aggressive, bred that way...

Most pit bulls now are NOT bred to be agressive. If you want one go buy one from a reputable breader. My grandparents once owned an Akita and they used to be bred to kill BEARS and ELK. As a child I played with it without fear.

[GT-Omar]

Originally Posted by Deej

I like them though....nice ones.

what pisses me off is thug wanna bes walking these dogs down the road on bailing wire or something they had laying around the house...because they seen Ice cube do it in a movie or some shit...

can be great dogs....im just weary of each and every one until they have proven themselves controled

Perfectly said !

[Deej]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Most pit bulls now are NOT bred to be agressive. If you want one go buy one from a reputable breader. My grandparents once owned an Akita and they used to be bred to kill BEARS and ELK. As a child I played with it without fear.

by "bred that way" I mean the last few hundred years

[stickyfingerz]

Our nanny had one last year. She lived with us and her boyfriend got her a puppy without her or him consulting me first. I put up with it for about 2 months, and that was it. Thing was rough and strong even as a pup. Broke its collar 2 times when it was outside. (had to tie it up when it went out) One time she came running towards my 2 year old and I had to snatch the thing up and its claws scratched the heck out of my arm. If you have kids its totally up to you, but Id just rather not have to worry about someone getting hurt.

[Ross]

Heard nothing but bad stories about Pit Bulls. One tried to attack my Labrador when he was a puppy 3 years ago. It ran across the road when I had him out a walk so I picked the dog up and walked back in my garden, as the Pit Bull walked onto the road it got hit by a car (car wasn't going fast) it fell to the ground, got back up and walked away like nothing happened.

I agree with people in this thread saying its most likely the owners who make these dogs aggressive. Around here its mainly trouble makers you see with that type of dog.

[Deej]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Most pit bulls now are NOT bred to be agressive. If you want one go buy one from a reputable breader. My grandparents once owned an Akita and they used to be bred to kill BEARS and ELK. As a child I played with it without fear.

When i was a child I played with wolves.

straight from their den in the mountain...

i still never trusted them.

even when i was young.

didnt step foot near them (within their reach) until they "trusted" me, I fed them bacon and hot dogs for a week or so...just so I could pet them...

thinking back, meat probably weasnt the best "trust treat"

[g$$$]

pit bulls suck @$$.. i had one that bit the shit out of my friends dog

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Deej

by "bred that way" I mean the last few hundred years

Yeah but dogs aren't humans where 200 years is only 8-10 generations. That could be as many as 200 generations or roughly 4000-5000 years for people. wouldn't take that long to breed the agressivness out of the dog. Akitas were used for killing bears for just 125 years ago. By the way 95% of all existing breeds are less than 300 years old. Not sure how long pits have been around though.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Deej

When i was a child I played with wolves.

straight from their den in the mountain...

i still never trusted them.

HUGE difference between a WOLF and a pitbull. WOLVES are wild. DOGS have been domesticated for 10,000 years.

[Deej]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Yeah but dogs aren't humans where 200 years is only 8-10 generations. That could be as many as 200 generations or roughly 4000-5000 years for people. wouldn't take that long to breed the agressivness out of the dog. Akitas were used for killing bears for just 125 years ago. By the way 95% of all existing breeds are less than 300 years old. Not sure how long pits have been around though.

yea i wasnt sure on how long breeds have been around... thats why i didnt say thousands ;)

and youre not wrong anywhere, but everythign ive said is the same as you....just different and im pointing that out

its all about who owns the dog at the time....just watch for underlying grandfather tendencies...thats all

[drowsy]

don't like pit bull, but red bull rulez

[g$$$]

lets kill all pit bulls..its all about bull dogs!!!

[Deej]

now off of tendencies and on to capabilities..

another reason pits are given a bad rap is their capabilties...

they are what, 1 of 2 or 3 breeds that can fully lock jaw...

that alone is a big difference

[GT-Omar]

IMHO it's what do you want a pit bull for?

If you want it as a loving pet. Just raise it that way mine was. If you want it for protection it will be that also.

Personally if your going to have a dog for protection. I think one of the best are rockwielers. The thing I love about them is, if someone breaks into your property home, land what ever. They normally (by breed) don't bark, or make a sound till the intruder is all the way in the property. Then it's there ass.

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by Revshare-Omar

IMHO it's what do you want a pit bull for?

If you want it as a loving pet. Just raise it that way mine was. If you want it for protection it will be that also.

Personally if your going to have a dog for protection. I think one of the best are rockwielers. The thing I love about them is, if someone breaks into your property home, land what ever. They normally (by breed) don't bark, or make a sound till the intruder is all the way in the property. Then it's there ass.

WTF is a rockwieler?

[Makingcoin]

The bully breed is amazing, don't believe the media hype. Nearly any dog can be aggressive, depending on his training and environment

[GT-Omar]

Originally Posted by AaronM

WTF is a rockwieler?

oops rottweiler. brian fart

[Deej]

Originally Posted by Makingcoin

The bully breed is amazing, don't believe the media hype. Nearly any dog can be aggressive, depending on his training and environment

damn straight.

what you should really watch out for is those lil fuckin anlkle biting mother fuckers, THEY have no control over themselves...and most older people dont train them to be controled.

they just cant kill you


all about environment....

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by g$$$

lets kill all pit bulls..its all about bull dogs!!!

The funny thing is as a child in the 1970's the Doberman was the "killer" dog that people want to kill out of existance. Don't ever hear much about doberman attacks nowadays do you? By the way the German Sheppard is #2 on the list as most deadliest dog. I've never been bit by a Pit unprovoked. I have been bit unporvoked by a German Sheppard.

Between 1979-1998 only 327 Americans were killed by dogs. By contrast about 200 Americans are killed every year by horses.

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by Deej

now off of tendencies and on to capabilities..

another reason pits are given a bad rap is their capabilties...

they are what, 1 of 2 or 3 breeds that can fully lock jaw...

that alone is a big difference

You do realize there's no such thing as an actual locking jaw, right? That is, there's no mechanism in the jaw that locks it shut, it's simply a matter of strength.

Interestingly enough, in actual bite tests, Rottweilers have tested with the most powerful bite.

[Boobzooka]

Adult Webmasters. Do you like them? What's your opinion of them?

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by Makingcoin

The bully breed is amazing, don't believe the media hype. Nearly any dog can be aggressive, depending on his training and environment

Here's an interesting fact. Rottweilers also get a bad name, because of the damage they CAN do. In reality though, you are roughly three times as likely to be bitten by a Cocker Spaniel.

[Deej]

Originally Posted by GatorB

The funny thing is as a child in the 1970's the Doberman was the "killer" dog that people want to kill out of existance. Don't ever hear much about doberman attacks nowadays do you? By the way the German Sheppard is #2 on the list as most deadliest dog. I've never been bit by a Pit unprovoked. I have been bit unporvoked by a German Sheppard.

Between 1979-1998 only 327 Americans were killed by dogs. By contrast about 200 Americans are killed every year by horses.

I agree about the GS...one of the best most loyal TRUE dogs you could own...

but i wouldnt trust a small kid around one ever....

seen it happen... they will bite unprovoked...

[Deej]

Originally Posted by WarChild

You do realize there's no such thing as an actual locking jaw, right? That is, there's no mechanism in the jaw that locks it shut, it's simply a matter of strength.

Interestingly enough, in actual bite tests, Rottweilers have tested with the most powerful bite.

i dont believe you...I will look into it though...show me something that says this....

ive tried to break a locked jaw from another dog before....they wont let go unless you cut their air off.... i think there is more to it than pure strength

[Deej]

Originally Posted by Deej

i dont believe you...I will look into it though...show me something that says this....

ive tried to break a locked jaw from another dog before....they wont let go unless you cut their air off.... i think there is more to it than pure strength

i stand corrected ....



-Is it true that Pit Bulls can lock their jaw?
The infamous locking jaw is a myth. The American Pit Bull Terrier and related breeds are physiologically no different from any other breed of dog. All dogs are from the same species and none have locking jaws. Dr. I Lehr Brisbin of the University of Georgia states, "To the best of our knowledge, there are no published scientific studies that would allow any meaningful comparison to be made of the biting power of various breeds of dogs. There are, moreover, compelling technical reasons why such data describing biting power in terms of 'pounds per square inch' can never be collected in a meaningful way. All figures describing biting power in such terms can be traced to either unfounded rumor or, in some cases, to newspaper articles with no foundation in factual data." Furthermore, Dr. Brisbin states, "The few studies which have been conducted of the structure of the skulls, mandibles and teeth of pit bulls show that, in proportion to their size, their jaw structure and thus its inferred functional morphology, is no different than that of any breed of dog. There is absolutely no evidence for the existence of any kind of 'locking mechanism' unique to the structure of the jaw and/or teeth of the American Pit Bull Terrier."

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by Deej

i dont believe you...I will look into it though...show me something that says this....

ive tried to break a locked jaw from another dog before....they wont let go unless you cut their air off.... i think there is more to it than pure strength

Well I'm sorry you don't believe me, but it's a scientific certainty. My source is my sister, a Veterinarian working as a critical care surgeon. I'd be willing to bet that she knows far more about the anatomy of dogs than you do based on your own observations.

MYTH: American Pit Bull Terriers lock their jaws.

Dr. Brisbin: "The few studies which have been conducted of the structure of the skulls, mandibles and teeth of pit bulls show that, in proportion to their size, their jaw structure and thus its inferred functional morphology, is no different than that of any breed of dog.

There is absolutely no evidence for the existence of any kind of "locking mechanism" unique to the structure of the jaw and/or teeth of the American Pit Bull Terrier.

http://www.pitbulllovers.com/america...ier-myths.html

[LadyMischief]

There is no such thing as bad dogs.. Only owners who can't control them or are unfit to do so. Doesn't matter the breed, age, or anything, all dogs have the potential to attack someone, and all dogs have the potential to be incredibly docile and loving. It's about the socialization, rules, limitations and boundries you give them.

[WarChild]

Here's a cool video where they actually outfit a bite sleeve with sensors to measure the bite force applied by various breeds of dogs.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=R7jhrxy0HKs

You'll notice the Rottweiler tops out at just over 300pounds, higher than the Pittbull. Remember this figure the next time you hear some idiot saying a Pittbull can bite with 600-1800 pounds of force.

[LadyMischief]

Originally Posted by psili

From what I know, which is very little, they're just a dog with tendencies to be aggressive. I'd wager that it's more the owner's fault for any ill happenings that may occur, as with any other dog. *shrug*

I'd like to note it's funny that when I saw this thread title, "pit bulls", I immediately think of some kid getting mauled by one. Sad, actually.

Any working breed or hunting breed of dog has a higher tendancy to be aggressive, but ONLY because they generally aren't given the amount of exercise they need to bring peace to their minds. You can't take an athlete and lock him up in a box and expect him not to go a little hairy, and when a dog is bored or unfulfilled, their most base instincts tend to take over. Pit Bulls, Rottweilers, German Shepherds, many of these working-class dogs are owned by people who are not capable of properly meeting their needs as dogs. They treat them like people or babies, and that is a terrible thing to do with a powerful animal.

[BigBen]

Originally Posted by GatorB

...I have been bit unporvoked by a German Sheppard.

Same here. Dalmatian, as well.

My brother and his wife have a Pitbull and it's great with both people and other dogs.

[psili]

Originally Posted by LadyMischief

Any working breed or hunting breed of dog has a higher tendancy to be aggressive, but ONLY because they generally aren't given the amount of exercise they need to bring peace to their minds. You can't take an athlete and lock him up in a box and expect him not to go a little hairy, and when a dog is bored or unfulfilled, their most base instincts tend to take over. Pit Bulls, Rottweilers, German Shepherds, many of these working-class dogs are owned by people who are not capable of properly meeting their needs as dogs. They treat them like people or babies, and that is a terrible thing to do with a powerful animal.

I chase with a blow horn and kick the shit out of my lab on an hourly basis.... Great exercise for both of us, and it keeps her in control.

j/k

Again, most of a domesticated animal's behavior comes down to the homo-sapien owner. Unfortunately, the stupid and negligent seem to be out breeding the responsible, these days (and I'm not talking about the dogs).

[12clicks]

I've not yet met or heard of a pitbull owner without some sort of mental defect.

[spideriux]

yes I like them. they look really good

[LadyMischief]

Originally Posted by psili

I chase with a blow horn and kick the shit out of my lab on an hourly basis.... Great exercise for both of us, and it keeps her in control.

j/k

Again, most of a domesticated animal's behavior comes down to the homo-sapien owner. Unfortunately, the stupid and negligent seem to be out breeding the responsible, these days (and I'm not talking about the dogs).

Yep pretty much.. People don't realize that they are creating a relationship with an animal, and that animal has needs according to it's species, not what we might think or want it will need to be cute.

As for the horseplay, packs play like that, it helps keep the heirarchy intact without fighting, but you still establish dominance I'm sure. Strong leadership can control any form of dog, and even small people can be good leaders.


As far as people saying dog attacked them unprovoked, it might have unprovoked on your end, but really, did you provoke the animals in dogspeak? Did you approach them with a weak or fearful energy (this instantly makes you prey)? Did you meet the dogs eyes head on or smile (bear your teeth at him in his mind) when you met him? You may have felt you weren't provoking the animal, but in it's eyes, you were, either by making it fearful, or by presenting yourself as weak or a challenge. Even an animal attacking in hunger or panic is not "unprovoked" they are acting on instinct.

[Deej]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Well I'm sorry you don't believe me, but it's a scientific certainty. My source is my sister, a Veterinarian working as a critical care surgeon. I'd be willing to bet that she knows far more about the anatomy of dogs than you do based on your own observations.

MYTH: American Pit Bull Terriers lock their jaws.

Dr. Brisbin: "The few studies which have been conducted of the structure of the skulls, mandibles and teeth of pit bulls show that, in proportion to their size, their jaw structure and thus its inferred functional morphology, is no different than that of any breed of dog.

There is absolutely no evidence for the existence of any kind of "locking mechanism" unique to the structure of the jaw and/or teeth of the American Pit Bull Terrier.

http://www.pitbulllovers.com/america...ier-myths.html

i noticed, same article, above



bottom line ive said the whole time...its all about the owner and environment.... they have been bred for worse in the past and as a bloodline and in general they are capable of dangerous things...

I havent said pitbulls are any worse than another breed... and i like pitbulls they can be great looking and acting creatures....but i still wont trust one fully....not really any dog other than my own for that matter...

I think i can honesly say he(my dog) would never bite someone unprovoked.... he is just so docile its not funny.... when other dogs approach him to fight, he just turns his side and pees on them...shit you not...funniest thing I ever seen...

[Deej]

Originally Posted by LadyMischief

As far as people saying dog attacked them unprovoked, it might have unprovoked on your end, but really, did you provoke the animals in dogspeak? Did you approach them with a weak or fearful energy (this instantly makes you prey)? Did you meet the dogs eyes head on or smile (bear your teeth at him in his mind) when you met him? You may have felt you weren't provoking the animal, but in it's eyes, you were, either by making it fearful, or by presenting yourself as weak or a challenge. Even an animal attacking in hunger or panic is not "unprovoked" they are acting on instinct.

Exactly, like I said before...its nothing in our eyes, but to a dog...a child can be "intimidating" to them.... towards their owner I mean...

I hope you all understand my jabberings ;) maybe this is why i think some are misunderstanding my words...

pitbulls are not the evil...they are just the tool some people use...

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by Deej

I think i can honesly say he(my dog) would never bite someone unprovoked.... he is just so docile its not funny.

every single pitbull owner I've ever seen on TV said the same thing right after they attacked someone.

[BobG]

punish the deed not the breed

[Deej]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

every single pitbull owner I've ever seen on TV said the same thing right after they attacked someone.

mine is not a pitbull :P

hes more pussified

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by Deej

Exactly, like I said before...its nothing in our eyes, but to a dog...a child can be "intimidating" to them.... towards their owner I mean...

I hope you all understand my jabberings ;) maybe this is why i think some are misunderstanding my words...

pitbulls are not the evil...they are just the tool some people use...

I think it's important to understand that dogs operate under different drives. I hace included a brief description of some of them below.

Pack Drive - The social behavior displayed by dogs. When your dog brings you and presents you a toy, he is operating under pack drive. The need to please you.

Defensive Drive - The need to protect self, property and pack mates (Your family falls in this category as pack mate). A dog barking at strangers is demonstrating defensive drive.

Prey Drive - The desire to chase down what is observed as prey. This drive is a lot stronger in some breeds, like Rotteweilers for instance.

Children are _most_ often attacked by dogs in prey drive. The high pitched squealing, running and fast and jerky motions children often make is easily misunderstood by dogs. The body language children display is much different than adults and very confusing to dogs. A dog running up and down a fence (called fence running) barking at a group of children is most often not in defensive drive, rather, he is in prey drive.

My Male Rottweiler is about as friendly a dog as you can find. Loves everybody no questions asked he just wants to be your friend. That being said, it's completely my responsibility to make sure he never gets out to wander on his own. Children running by most probably get chased and cats or other small animals would be too much temptation for him to ignore. That's why I have a fenced yard, with locked gates. My dogs simply can't get out.

[Deej]

Originally Posted by WarChild

I think it's important to understand that dogs operate under different drives. I hace included a brief description of some of them below.

Pack Drive - The social behavior displayed by dogs. When your dog brings you and presents you a toy, he is operating under pack drive. The need to please you.

Defensive Drive - The need to protect self, property and pack mates (Your family falls in this category as pack mate). A dog barking at strangers is demonstrating defensive drive.

Prey Drive - The desire to chase down what is observed as prey. This drive is a lot stronger in some breeds, like Rotteweilers for instance.

Children are _most_ often attacked by dogs in prey drive. The high pitched squealing, running and fast and jerky motions children often make is easily misunderstood by dogs. The body language children display is much different than adults and very confusing to dogs. A dog running up and down a fence (called fence running) barking at a group of children is most of not in defensive drive, rather, he is in prey drive.

My Male Rottweiler is about as friendly a dog as you can find. Loves everybody no questions asked he just wants to be your friend. That being said, it's completely my responsibility to make sure he never gets out to wander on his own. Children running by most probably get chased and cats or other small animals would be too much temptation for him to ignore. That's why I have a fenced yard, with locked gates. My dogs simply can't get out.

well said...

you sir are a good responsible owner...

mine is the same way...

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Most pit bulls now are NOT bred to be agressive. If you want one go buy one from a reputable breader. My grandparents once owned an Akita and they used to be bred to kill BEARS and ELK. As a child I played with it without fear.

are you kidding? the breed came about specifically for fighting. they were created to fight. the breed was created to make a better fighting dog.