Michael Moore forgot one Important Factor in his Socialized Medicine Comparison. - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

boneprone · 07-03-2007, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by sacX

You're not.

Ok..

Well where are they??

Not in this thread.....

Drake · 07-03-2007, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

I have a Masters Degree in Public Health and was going for my PHD in healthcare adminstration before I went to the dark side.. (you should also know i like to push people's buttons)

Which is why we never know if you're being serious or not.

buzzy · 07-03-2007, 10:37 AM

your right. socialized healthcare is not the way to go. i mean france only has socialized healthcare and i mean....they are only ranked #1 for best healthcare in the world

-_-

Rhesus · 07-03-2007, 10:41 AM

Rankings don't tell me anything, buzzy what is this one based on?

BP you think socialising medicine somehow means abandoning preventive care?

Kiwigirl · 07-03-2007, 10:42 AM

Btw boneprone, your ignorance is disturbing! I never post anything of conflict on gfy but for the first time ever I have stumbled upon a post that has really pinched a nerve. The health care system here is complete crap! I have lived in a total of 4 different countries in my life and this one has to be the most expensive and least sufficient! Oh and don't get me started about the damn drug companies and there advertising scheme and the throw backs that doctors get for pushing there drugs. I know several ppl who have been given samples at a doctors office and then discovered after the trial period of pills is gone that they are addicted and have to fork out hundreds of dollars a month to stay on the meds. Aaaarrrrrgggghhhhh

I knew I shouldn't have read this post! LOL

buzzy · 07-03-2007, 10:44 AM

based on quality of healthcare

buzzy · 07-03-2007, 10:45 AM

WASHINGTON (AP) The United States spends more per person on health care than any other country, yet in overall quality its care ranks 37th in the world, says a World Health Organization analysis. It concluded that France provides the globe's best health care.

http://cthealth.server101.com/Old&#3..._treatment.htm

boneprone · 07-03-2007, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Rhesus

Rankings don't tell me anything, buzzy what is this one based on?

BP you think socialising medicine somehow means abandoning preventive care?

Not at all. Socialized medicine does a good job with Preventitive care..

That is the answer for both systems.

Without it both systems will fail.

boneprone · 07-03-2007, 10:48 AM

I can assure everyone that the US will NEVER have socialized medicine.

It will never EVER happen..

No political party will ever push it through..

Not even the Liberal powers will bring it.

Yes they may talk about it, but its all talk. It will never become a reality so dont worry people.

http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=1288

NEVER

Axeman · 07-03-2007, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

Blah blah blah.....

Have you heard of preventivie medicine??

Thats the answer.. Not socialized medicine.

Your argument would apply much more fitting and argument for Preventive Medicine.

Something a contained system like an HMO could implemement much more effective than a government ran healthcare system.

Diabetes, obesity, High Blood Pressure are many of the reasons we as Americans have health issues.. They are all factors that could be avioded thorugh preventitive medicine. Not socializing our system.

You think the current system likes or wants this?

No.. An HMO does not...

Preventive medicine can not work in your system. There is no money in preventive care so no chance in hell HMO's give up profits to do it.

DaddyHalbucks · 07-03-2007, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

And no, I dont work for an HMO..

Jesus...

Were you born yesterday? Dont you know who the fuck I am?

Im Boneprone.

D · 07-03-2007, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

Blah blah blah.....

Have you heard of preventivie medicine??

Thats the answer.. Not socialized medicine.

Your argument would apply much more fitting and argument for Preventive Medicine.

Something a contained system like an HMO could implemement much more effective than a government ran healthcare system.

Diabetes, obesity, High Blood Pressure are many of the reasons we as Americans have health issues.. They are all factors that could be avioded thorugh preventitive medicine. Not socializing our system.

You think the current system likes or wants this?

No.. An HMO does not...

"Blah blah blah....." ??

I'm only saying the situation's fucked... and it is.

Maybe the answer's in socialized medicine, maybe it's in something else... but when people are getting rejected by insurance companies and HMO's because they have some ailment... forced to fend for themselves into bankruptcy - with no other options but to leave our country... that's fucked.

When we have bottom-line-minded pencil pushers that are making the "final cut" decision on what health needs you need... that's fucked.

When we have people hard at work who's entire job is to counter-act your doctor's recommendations, and provide a basis for not treating you so that they can fulfill their legally bound duty to make more money for their shareholders... that's fucked.

When you have doctors that are getting promoted and supported based on the amount of services that they reject to their patient-base... that's fucked.

Preventative medicine? That's a joke in this country for the average American, as if you aren't in dire need of some sort of service, it isn't paid for by most insurance companies.

And how the hell are you going to prevent shit like Cancer? Or inherited diseases (with 100% success) like diabetes... and once you have either, you're likely fucked for life - no insurance company will touch you... (HMO's included)... that's fucked.

I'm not asking for your Anal Hobbit routine here... step our of your bubble and open your eyes.

Or don't.

Can't debate this shit all day... I got work to do.

buzzy · 07-03-2007, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by buzzy

WASHINGTON (AP) The United States spends more per person on health care than any other country, yet in overall quality its care ranks 37th in the world, says a World Health Organization analysis. It concluded that France provides the globe's best health care.

http://cthealth.server101.com/Old%20..._treatment.htm

...........

boneprone · 07-03-2007, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiwigirl

I know several ppl who have been given samples at a doctors office and then discovered after the trial period of pills is gone that they are addicted and have to fork out hundreds of dollars a month to stay on the meds.

Ok..

Im outta here.

Theres no point in arguing with idiots.

Im going on my bike ride.

Be back in a few hours.

smashface · 07-03-2007, 10:54 AM

Nice post D.

tranza · 07-03-2007, 10:55 AM

So you are saying that there's socialism in the UK? Is that it?

DaddyHalbucks · 07-03-2007, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by buzzy

WASHINGTON (AP) The United States spends more per person on health care than any other country, yet in overall quality its care ranks 37th in the world, says a World Health Organization analysis. It concluded that France provides the globe's best health care.

http://cthealth.server101.com/Old%20..._treatment.htm

Maybe France did it by investing all the ill gotten gains from trading with Iraq:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=31552

Supaflyz · 07-03-2007, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

Have you ever met a British person with good teeth?

Yeah, there ya go. Socialized denistry at its finest.

Here in the US only the homeless have jacked up teeth as poor as the Brits.

If your unemployed or a pensioner it's free, everyone else has to pay extortionate prices, like £130 for a checkup.

boneprone · 07-03-2007, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by D

"Blah blah blah....." ??

Can't debate this shit all day... I got work to do.

And I got a bike ride to go do.

Im training for a big race...

Ill tell the Anal Hobbit you said hello.

In the mean time you better hide your Socialist propganda. Big brother is watching.

07-03-2007, 10:58 AM

This thread is about as convincing as your Tom Hanks / Superman thread.

smashface · 07-03-2007, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Supaflyz

If your unemployed or a pensioner it's free, everyone else has to pay extortionate prices, like £130 for a checkup.

That doesn't sound like socialzed medicine but more like our systems.

boneprone · 07-03-2007, 10:58 AM

D....

Go talk to Voodoo before you bust a vessel or something.
He needs to fill you in with the "system".

BP4L

boneprone · 07-03-2007, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by evildick

This thread is about as convincing as your Tom Hanks / Superman thread.

Hey now......

I really thought Hanks would make a good Superman.

Did the last superman movie not suck??

People should have listened to me.

Nicky · 07-03-2007, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

That movie was so misleading it was disturbing.

There is no comparison to the QUALITY of care the US provides vs the UK system.

No comparison..........

You get what you pay for....

Should compare it to the Swedish instead

Jimmy Rock · 07-03-2007, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

Dont let the bullshit fool you.

The Insured here in the US get the best care in the world.

The uninsured are what suffer.

Simple fix: Get a fucking job and get insured.

I take it you never got injured really bad and came to find out your insurance told you to fuck off and they where not going to pay..which happens everyday in the country

D · 07-03-2007, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

Go talk to Voodoo before you bust a vessel or something.

BP4L

Yeah, well... I don't think I was near busing a vessel, man... but I can get going on subjects I'm passionate about - and this whole health care thing is one of those subjects as of late.

Appreciate you stepping in an effort to direct me to take preventative health measures, though...

Surgery and treatment for an aneurysm could get expensive!

SmokeyTheBear · 07-03-2007, 12:19 PM

you must have been watching a different movie than i..

socialized healthcare was hardly the point of the video.

Some of the biggest points he made had to do with insurance companies DENYING treatment that doctors advise.

So to all the people that think american style healthcare is better , just remember , at least in some other countries like canada you will get treatment, you may get denied treatment in u.s.a. and die like the people on the video.

I would rather get so called "substandard" treatment in canada and live , than die waiting for some asshat at the insurance company to approve my treatment in the u.s.a.

I think many people are so narrow minded they cant seem to understand a mix of both systems can work.

overall the video was very misleading and michael moore was once again only after some drama , and instead of focusing on improvement he focused on villifying insurance companies. He repeatedly makes references to insurance companies as " i thought insurance companies were supposed to be trying to help you " .. umm no they are there to make money pure and simple , if they approved every treatment they would go broke.

crockett · 07-03-2007, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BradM

BP - I lived in Canada all of my life and I moved to the US a few years ago. I have been in hospitals in both countries for life threatening illnesses.

US medical care is faster, more efficient and of higher quality in my opinion.

I have Blue Cross health insurance and the network hospital I went to was amazing and the services that ran over $30,000 cost me a $500 overnight copay. In Canada they'd keep me there for days running tests waiting for specialists to arrive from other provinces etc etc.

Bottom line is I'd rather get sick in the US with insurance than in Canada with socialized healthcare.

The difference is, in Canada if you can't afford the treatment you can still get it. In America it's only faster if your health insurance doesn't try to fight the claim. That is if you can afford to pay for the health insurance.

As someone pointed out in another topic. Consider yourself a average College aged student say 22 years old and out on your own.

You haven't graduated college yet so there is no big bucks coming in. Mommy and daddy aren't paying for your health insurance and you are just scraping by to barley afford college it's self, much less worry about health insurance.

Bad luck comes your way and you need an operation on your appendix.. In canada you get the operation and continue on your way. In the United States, if you are lucky enough to get the operation with out insurance. Well you will end up owing about 20 thousand dollars.

That's just a simple appendix operation..

The diffrence is sure in America you can get great medical treatment if you can Afford it. In Canada you can still get good medical treatment, even if you can't afford it.

steffie · 07-03-2007, 12:35 PM

You all will love this example

Our neighbor has worked at his job for 15 years. He is a smoker and now 50 years of age. He needs a double lung transplant. Blue Cross/Shield won't pay for it and denied his claim because they said it was self inflicted , pre-existing, something like that. He is now selling his house to pay for it.

Since he got sick, he also lost his job and is about to lose his health insurance, he was the only one who carried insurance and has a wife and a son under the age of 18

I haven't seen Sicko yet, it doesn't play anywhere around here. I only see whats going on around here.

And to the person who said, go get a job with health insurance. My son finally got one. He was without health insurance for the past 3 years, age 23 to age 26. He was in college, worked part time and after getting his job in January he finally got health insurance with his job July 1st.

I am for Universal Health, you never know what could happen to you, don't assume you are going to be healthy all your life, and dont' assume that your health insurance will cover everything. You better read the fine print.

xooxox

cindyc · 07-03-2007, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

That movie was so misleading it was disturbing.

There is no comparison to the QUALITY of care the US provides vs the UK system.

No comparison..........

You get what you pay for....

I beg to differ I just took my girlfriend to the ER and it was pretty fucking miserable. As much as insurance costs there could at least not be blood on the equipment and the place could be clean. And they could hire some people with a little intelligence

_Richard_ · 07-03-2007, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

Typical response from the brainwashed..

Propganda out weighs logic in the UK when it comes to healthcare..

Dental is covered there yes??

Why is it even the upper class have jacked up teeth??

It appears everyone is brought down to the lower levels of society in terms of care.

You'd never see a upper class person here in the US with jacked teeth..

Simply doesnt happen. Our insurance would pay for everything..

.

it's GENETICS

GENETICS: The study of inheritance patterns of specific traits.

What is funny is your use of misinformation and propaganda

Canada, statistically, helps more people for less money than the US.

Is it better to waste money? wait, nevermind

Brad · 07-03-2007, 12:42 PM

Like I said before. The question should not really be focused on what is a better system. Both privatized and public systems could be run at the same capacity, it all depends on how they are administered.

I read yesterday that Massachusetts is pushing for universal health care even within the privatized model.
(Link to article)

I think the thing that many don't understand is that the message is not who is the best, but rather that things need to change. Just because you can afford to be sick in the US does not meant that everyone can, and that is where the problem lays.

Oh, and while we are on the subject of financing, take a look at how fast the US is accumulating an insurmountable debt...money that could be used to help improve the health care system or dare I say help the Katrina victims instead of sending your young to die for nothing.
(link)

Brad · 07-03-2007, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

Yep..

I have a Masters Degree in Public Health and some time in a PHD program in Health Care Administration.

I could run laps around anyone in an argument on how an HMO is better than a Socialized system.

Yet you fail to provide us with a convincing argument as to what makes an HMO better than a socialized system. Instead you talk about teeth in the UK, which really doesn't bear much weight in this particular debate.

RawAlex · 07-03-2007, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

Yep..

I have a Masters Degree in Public Health and some time in a PHD program in Health Care Administration.

I could run laps around anyone in an argument on how an HMO is better than a Socialized system.

HMOs are better for the companies paying for the care, but not always better for the AVERAGE patient or the doctors involved. Those doctors are often forced to accept way to many patients and to basically care about none of them, because 5 extra minutes to care isn't paid.

HMOs are a great theory that in reality don't work as well as they should. Socialized medicine isn't much better. But any "for profit" or "for lowest cost" system will squeeze the quality right out of the deal.

SuckOnThis · 07-03-2007, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

Typical response from the brainwashed..

Propganda out weighs logic in the UK when it comes to healthcare..

Dental is covered there yes??

Why is it even the upper class have jacked up teeth??

It appears everyone is brought down to the lower levels of society in terms of care.

You'd never see a upper class person here in the US with jacked teeth..

Simply doesnt happen. Our insurance would pay for everything..

.

Why do you keep bringing up dental shit? Did you know 45% of people in this country have no dental insurance and millions are forced to go to Mexico for dental work?

Something is majorly fucked up when people from one of the richest countries in the world have to go to one of the poorest countries just for basic care.

http://www.kaisernetwork.org/daily_r...fm?DR_ID=45643

boneprone · 07-03-2007, 06:46 PM

ok.. im back from my bike ride.

wizhard · 07-03-2007, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

Saw Siko yesterday..

HE forgot one important factor when comparing our US healthcare system to the UK system..

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe...ion/index.html

At least our Doctors arent terrorists.

ANother reason Socialism just doesnt work.

LOL, spoken like a true ignoramus

......oh and by the way when was the last time you saw a British webmaster begging for money on boards to pay medical bills ?

directfiesta · 07-03-2007, 08:27 PM

saw it on downloaded versions ( quality so-so)

going to see it in the theatres.....

boneprone · 07-04-2007, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by wizhard

LOL, spoken like a true ignoramus

......oh and by the way when was the last time you saw a British webmaster begging for money on boards to pay medical bills ?

You are right.

Disturbing huh?

GreyWolf · 07-04-2007, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

At least our Doctors arent terrorists.

ANother reason Socialism just doesnt work.

Did your source of information come from the CIA??

Who said US doctors are not terrorists?? I'll bet ya! *lol*

Obviously your logic is fried at the moment - there is no connection between terrorists and socialism. Only you could find that

Gunni · 07-04-2007, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

Have you ever met a British person with good teeth?

Yeah, there ya go. Socialized denistry at its finest.

Here in the US only the homeless have jacked up teeth as poor as the Brits.

Dentistry is not free in the UK and the thing of Brits having bad teeth is a myth.
At least I've never heard of anyone dying from a tooth ache in the UK unlike the US.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...022702116.html

If you have the money you'll probably get better care in the US than anywhere else in the world, I don't think anyone is arguing about that. It's the poor people that have to suffer, even middle class people that get financially ruined because of astronomical health bills.

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medical bills are overwhelmingly the most common reason for personal bankruptcy in the United States

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_..._United_States

Public health care is a huge burden on any country, but even if the US doesn't provide their citizens with this basic human right they still spend a huge portion of the GDP on it...
A country that is supposed to be the biggest superpower in the world should be able to take care of the people without any problems.

In Spain every employer has to pay social security for their employees, about 300$ a month, this goes into health care and if you become unemployed you get 3 month full pay for each year you've been working.

Spain is currently one of the most dynamic economies in the world, recently got into 8th place over all (and should therefor be in the G8

), so social medicine definitely hasn't hurt.

Sexsitesurfer · 07-04-2007, 03:31 AM

Um... There is the option of private healthcare still in these "SOCIALIST" societies you talk of. The keyword being "option".

Brad · 07-04-2007, 08:36 AM

I'm sorry boneprone, but it appears that you can't "run laps" around us as you have previously stated, proving once again something that I leaned while in university...education is nothing unless you learn how to use it.

I believe it was Socrates that said "I cannot teach anybody anything, I can only make them think."

ServerGenius · 07-04-2007, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

Have you ever met a British person with good teeth?

Yeah, there ya go. Socialized denistry at its finest.

Here in the US only the homeless have jacked up teeth as poor as the Brits.

That comment made by someone with Chinese Ancestors is quite hilarious

No Offense bone....

uno · 07-04-2007, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

Yep and that was very very sad.. Accidents do happen in all healthcare systems..

You can pin this on the economic system.

Much to simplistic..

Like all of Michael Moore's Points..

People are sheep..

What power this guy has.. Its good to make people think yes. Thats great. But think for yourself.

You almost act as if you weren't a sheep herder yourself.

Chris · 07-04-2007, 11:23 AM

what about a voucher system?
like X amount of free visits a month

X amount of surgerys per year

X amount of emergency visits per year

that is comp'd by the goverment

fuzebox · 07-04-2007, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

Becasue the US gives away its EXPIRED and old medicine to these people.

False. It's called the drug companies mark shit up to make the most money off those who can afford to pay it.

Quagmire · 07-04-2007, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by buzzy

WASHINGTON (AP) The United States spends more per person on health care than any other country, yet in overall quality its care ranks 37th in the world, says a World Health Organization analysis. It concluded that France provides the globe's best health care.

http://cthealth.server101.com/Old%20..._treatment.htm

And one of the problems with that is the money spent on health care is used to line pockets, not provide quality care.

Like sports, health care needs a salary cap.

fuzebox · 07-04-2007, 11:39 AM

I have to comment on the "free Canadian healthcare"... How exactly is it free? My monthly MSP payments were higher than I pay now for good international health insurance...

Jim_Gunn · 07-04-2007, 11:53 AM

There is no doubt that quality of health care in the U.S. is top notch, but there are some serious problems, even for middle class people with good jobs who have health insurance. The main problem being that many people get denied coverage for their legitimate illnesses by their supposedly solid health insurance company and wind up going bankrupt or dying. And all because in our system, the insurance company just denies policy claims, citing pre-existing conditions or some other technical excuse as a matter of course, just to play games with people and save money. They system is such that the health insurance companies rely on the fact that many people will give up pressing their wrongly denied claims or die off before they have to pay. When that happens- and it's an everyday thing nowadays- it's tantamount to murder in my opinion.

07-03-2007, 10:42 AM	#55
Kiwigirl Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 2,556	Btw boneprone, your ignorance is disturbing! I never post anything of conflict on gfy but for the first time ever I have stumbled upon a post that has really pinched a nerve. The health care system here is complete crap! I have lived in a total of 4 different countries in my life and this one has to be the most expensive and least sufficient! Oh and don't get me started about the damn drug companies and there advertising scheme and the throw backs that doctors get for pushing there drugs. I know several ppl who have been given samples at a doctors office and then discovered after the trial period of pills is gone that they are addicted and have to fork out hundreds of dollars a month to stay on the meds. Aaaarrrrrgggghhhhh I knew I shouldn't have read this post! LOL __________________ KIWISOURCING OUTSOURCING WITH A TWIST!

07-03-2007, 10:48 AM	#59
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	I can assure everyone that the US will NEVER have socialized medicine. It will never EVER happen.. No political party will ever push it through.. Not even the Liberal powers will bring it. Yes they may talk about it, but its all talk. It will never become a reality so dont worry people. http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=1288 NEVER __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

07-03-2007, 10:55 AM	#66
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	So you are saying that there's socialism in the UK? Is that it? __________________ I'm just a newbie.

07-03-2007, 10:58 AM	#72
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	D.... Go talk to Voodoo before you bust a vessel or something. He needs to fill you in with the "system". BP4L __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

07-03-2007, 12:19 PM	#77
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	you must have been watching a different movie than i.. socialized healthcare was hardly the point of the video. Some of the biggest points he made had to do with insurance companies DENYING treatment that doctors advise. So to all the people that think american style healthcare is better , just remember , at least in some other countries like canada you will get treatment, you may get denied treatment in u.s.a. and die like the people on the video. I would rather get so called "substandard" treatment in canada and live , than die waiting for some asshat at the insurance company to approve my treatment in the u.s.a. I think many people are so narrow minded they cant seem to understand a mix of both systems can work. overall the video was very misleading and michael moore was once again only after some drama , and instead of focusing on improvement he focused on villifying insurance companies. He repeatedly makes references to insurance companies as " i thought insurance companies were supposed to be trying to help you " .. umm no they are there to make money pure and simple , if they approved every treatment they would go broke. __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

07-03-2007, 10:37 AM	#53
buzzy Confirmed User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,606	your right. socialized healthcare is not the way to go. i mean france only has socialized healthcare and i mean....they are only ranked #1 for best healthcare in the world -_-

07-03-2007, 10:41 AM	#54
Rhesus Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,009	Rankings don't tell me anything, buzzy what is this one based on? BP you think socialising medicine somehow means abandoning preventive care?

07-03-2007, 10:44 AM	#56
buzzy Confirmed User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,606	based on quality of healthcare

07-03-2007, 10:45 AM	#57
buzzy Confirmed User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,606	WASHINGTON (AP) The United States spends more per person on health care than any other country, yet in overall quality its care ranks 37th in the world, says a World Health Organization analysis. It concluded that France provides the globe's best health care. http://cthealth.server101.com/Old&#3..._treatment.htm

07-03-2007, 10:54 AM	#65
smashface Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: San Francisco, California Posts: 991	Nice post D.

07-03-2007, 10:58 AM	#70
evildick Guest Posts: n/a	This thread is about as convincing as your Tom Hanks / Superman thread.

07-03-2007, 12:35 PM	#79
steffie Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Somewhere in the Mountains, far far away Posts: 2,422	You all will love this example Our neighbor has worked at his job for 15 years. He is a smoker and now 50 years of age. He needs a double lung transplant. Blue Cross/Shield won't pay for it and denied his claim because they said it was self inflicted , pre-existing, something like that. He is now selling his house to pay for it. Since he got sick, he also lost his job and is about to lose his health insurance, he was the only one who carried insurance and has a wife and a son under the age of 18 I haven't seen Sicko yet, it doesn't play anywhere around here. I only see whats going on around here. And to the person who said, go get a job with health insurance. My son finally got one. He was without health insurance for the past 3 years, age 23 to age 26. He was in college, worked part time and after getting his job in January he finally got health insurance with his job July 1st. I am for Universal Health, you never know what could happen to you, don't assume you are going to be healthy all your life, and dont' assume that your health insurance will cover everything. You better read the fine print. xooxox __________________ Partying since '96 and not going anywhere Anna's Dorm

07-03-2007, 12:42 PM	#82
Brad Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,510	Like I said before. The question should not really be focused on what is a better system. Both privatized and public systems could be run at the same capacity, it all depends on how they are administered. I read yesterday that Massachusetts is pushing for universal health care even within the privatized model. (Link to article) I think the thing that many don't understand is that the message is not who is the best, but rather that things need to change. Just because you can afford to be sick in the US does not meant that everyone can, and that is where the problem lays. Oh, and while we are on the subject of financing, take a look at how fast the US is accumulating an insurmountable debt...money that could be used to help improve the health care system or dare I say help the Katrina victims instead of sending your young to die for nothing. (link) __________________ Affiliate Manager/Media Buyer ICQ 376 978 529 Skype: bradleyjwscott [email protected]

07-03-2007, 06:46 PM	#86
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	ok.. im back from my bike ride. __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

07-03-2007, 08:27 PM	#88
directfiesta Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Punta Cana, DR Posts: 29,604	saw it on downloaded versions ( quality so-so) going to see it in the theatres..... __________________ I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT ! But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

07-04-2007, 03:31 AM	#92
Sexsitesurfer Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Porn land Posts: 3,157	Um... There is the option of private healthcare still in these "SOCIALIST" societies you talk of. The keyword being "option". __________________ Paul DDF Productions Marketing manager Skype: Marketing.DDF ICQ: 316302313 Cell: +36 30 732 6076 [email protected]

07-04-2007, 08:36 AM	#93
Brad Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,510	I'm sorry boneprone, but it appears that you can't "run laps" around us as you have previously stated, proving once again something that I leaned while in university...education is nothing unless you learn how to use it. I believe it was Socrates that said "I cannot teach anybody anything, I can only make them think." __________________ Affiliate Manager/Media Buyer ICQ 376 978 529 Skype: bradleyjwscott [email protected]

07-04-2007, 11:23 AM	#96
Chris Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: icq: 71462500 Skype: Jupzchris Posts: 27,880	what about a voucher system? like X amount of free visits a month X amount of surgerys per year X amount of emergency visits per year that is comp'd by the goverment __________________ [email protected]

07-04-2007, 11:39 AM	#99
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,086	I have to comment on the "free Canadian healthcare"... How exactly is it free? My monthly MSP payments were higher than I pay now for good international health insurance...

07-04-2007, 11:53 AM	#100
Jim_Gunn Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Where The Teens Are Posts: 5,702	There is no doubt that quality of health care in the U.S. is top notch, but there are some serious problems, even for middle class people with good jobs who have health insurance. The main problem being that many people get denied coverage for their legitimate illnesses by their supposedly solid health insurance company and wind up going bankrupt or dying. And all because in our system, the insurance company just denies policy claims, citing pre-existing conditions or some other technical excuse as a matter of course, just to play games with people and save money. They system is such that the health insurance companies rely on the fact that many people will give up pressing their wrongly denied claims or die off before they have to pay. When that happens- and it's an everyday thing nowadays- it's tantamount to murder in my opinion. Last edited by Jim_Gunn; 07-04-2007 at 11:55 AM..