Why do "old timers" feel so elite?

[Sly]

Yes, because you're 10-20 years older than some of the younger folk you really RAWK!

[StuartD]

Being senile will do that.

[mb]

not elite, just knowledgable

[Juicy D. Links]

i like apple pie

[BradM]

12clicks says:

[jonesonyou]

Because they have Money.

[polish_aristocrat]

Sly, I'll say it again

you gonna lose your 75% bro status with threads like this

[Peaches]

Personally I feel the opposite. It's 100 times harder to start a program and make serious bank now than it was 10 years ago. Back then, any idiot could make money ;)

Some of the new programs have niches, content and features that are awesome while some of the old timers are just doing things the "old way" and happy to get whatever scraps they still can.

Of all the major program owners I dealt with in the beginning, I can only think of a handful that are even still hands on with their programs. Most are enjoying mainstream income/playing/retired while paying someone else to run the adult stuff.

[tranza]

Originally Posted by StuartD

Being senile will do that.

Lolololololoololol!!

[beemk]

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

Sly, I'll say it again

you gonna lose your 75% bro status with threads like this

only 75%? i guess hes going to have to try harder.

the reason is they actually dont feel elite at all, they actually feel inferior to people now a days. so they stick to talking about how elite they were back in the day.

do you remember on the movie billy madison when he went back to high school and everyone thought he was a total douchbag and he would talk about how he used to be so cool years ago? same thing here.

[Loki]

Even though I did not register here until 2004 I've been in the 'biz' since late 1999 - 2000 do I feel "Elite"?

Nope, I am nothing more then the Susan Lucci of the Adult Industry.

Help me feel more elite, join my toon program http://www.plane***ash.com and also hit my sig so my coder and I can supersize our dinners tonite at Burgerking!

-Loki-

[Azlord]

Originally Posted by beemk

only 75%? i guess hes going to have to try harder.

the reason is they actually dont feel elite at all, they actually feel inferior to people now a days. so they stick to talking about how elite they were back in the day.

do you remember on the movie billy madison when he went back to high school and everyone thought he was a total douchbag and he would talk about how he used to be so cool years ago? same thing here.

I want to watch you squat naked. Please....

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Azlord

I want to watch you squat naked. Please....

I hope your cam has a scope...

[Azlord]

Originally Posted by Sly

I hope your cam has a scope...

I just have a giant black dildo cam. He's used to it though

[sniperwolf]

uhm... i have no idea ...

[Loki]

WHEN Exactly CAN I feel elite???

-Loki-

[HouseHead]

wtf is a bro? we have bro's here in socali..yeeeaaa brrraaah

[um_designs]

because they have their senior citizen id

[Pipecrew]

I dont think i would even want to talk about it. Like i have said in the past, if you are bragging about being in this industry since 87, 95, the summer of 98 and you dont completely own the niche you are in, then maybee you should not brag about it.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by Sly

Yes, because you're 10-20 years older than some of the younger folk you really RAWK!

bookmark this page and in 20 years, come back to it and ask yourself how you could have said something so stupid.

[Cyndalie]

What I see is most 'old timers' know business, and what it takes to make one successful. Many younger generations have learned skills, and grasp what it takes, but dont have the experience or business sense to make it all work. Especially when you have 5-30 employees depending on you to pay their rent and feed their kids and provide their health insurance plans.

[Bama]

I don't think it's a feeling of being "elite" but yeah, it does kind of apply.

Folks who have been in the industry only a few years know nothing of the struggles that webmasters who have been around for a long time had to endure.

There were no link dumps, tgp's or cj sites. If you wanted to trade links with another webmaster you had to surf the counters and find a webmaster who had traffic within your traffic structure and email them. Response rate was around 1 in 5. I remember vividly setting up links on a new website and submitting it to Persian Kitty. I'd send the traffic through the link 1 way to them and the following week when the "new" button came off my link on PK, they'd then send me the return traffic so I could maintain a traffic flow. Then doing the same thing again for links on the Green Guy or Richards Realm. It was a constant juggling act and one today's webmaster doesn't have to put up with.

A lot of the traffic was paid banner spots (flat rate for the month) and there weren't anywhere near the number of programs to choose from. It was a buyers market like you wouldn't believe and just because you wanted to promote a certain program - didn't mean you got to. Today it's a seller's market and you can pick and choose at your leisure.

There was no rev share and promotional material was limited to a banner or movie and if you wanted to make your own promo material, you had to get a user/pass and go hunting for it. Now, you log into your account and get your balls massaged while choosing how you want your promo material delivered to you. Hell, some programs will even do the work and set it up for you, provide you a domain AND a server.

Newer webmasters walk in and enjoy an incredible buffet of food to choose from. The table and chairs have all been set up and all they have to do is eat.

And while you don't have to come over and stuff a $20 in my pocket, it doesn't hurt to recognize the folks who did all the cooking and prep work for the bounty you're receiving

[he-fox]

some do, some don't.
Usually those that are elite, don't feel like it, or at least they don't shove it in your face.

[SleazyDream]

i feel elite cause i know and have me sly a few times

[mikesouth]

Kid commented to me once, he said why do you think you are so smart, you came up in a time when there was no color TV, no Jet airliners, no compact disks, no personal computers, no cell phones, no ipods, no DVD, no gps....

I said son...who do you think INVENTED all that stuff? Now what are YOU gonna do with your life.

[quiet]

how old do i have to be to be considered elite?

[xxxRumor]

Because they have Money.

Very true, money, knowledge and experience

Have to show love for those senior citizens lol

[LiveDose]

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

i feel elite cause i know and have me sly a few times

Should we read that with an Irish accent or is it a typo?

[CDSmith]

For one thing, aside from being older and more exerienced in life and business, many of the older ones have the sense to remain open and willing to learn from the younger set.

Too bad so many of the younger set lacks that same sense to learn from the older ones.

[Sly]

Nah, if you have been around 10 years and have done well, by all means, feel great about it. If you have been around 10 years and the only thing you can really say is "I've been around 10 years", is that really something to be bragging about?

[Sly]

Sleazy are you trying to say you touched me in sexy places? I am confused!

[the Shemp]

Originally Posted by Sly

Yes, because you're 10-20 years older than some of the younger folk you really RAWK!

being old doesnt make you elite, but it does get you a free coffee at burger king before 10:30 am ...

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by Bama

I don't think it's a feeling of being "elite" but yeah, it does kind of apply.

Folks who have been in the industry only a few years know nothing of the struggles that webmasters who have been around for a long time had to endure.

There were no link dumps, tgp's or cj sites. If you wanted to trade links with another webmaster you had to surf the counters and find a webmaster who had traffic within your traffic structure and email them. Response rate was around 1 in 5. I remember vividly setting up links on a new website and submitting it to Persian Kitty. I'd send the traffic through the link 1 way to them and the following week when the "new" button came off my link on PK, they'd then send me the return traffic so I could maintain a traffic flow. Then doing the same thing again for links on the Green Guy or Richards Realm. It was a constant juggling act and one today's webmaster doesn't have to put up with.

A lot of the traffic was paid banner spots (flat rate for the month) and there weren't anywhere near the number of programs to choose from. It was a buyers market like you wouldn't believe and just because you wanted to promote a certain program - didn't mean you got to. Today it's a seller's market and you can pick and choose at your leisure.

There was no rev share and promotional material was limited to a banner or movie and if you wanted to make your own promo material, you had to get a user/pass and go hunting for it. Now, you log into your account and get your balls massaged while choosing how you want your promo material delivered to you. Hell, some programs will even do the work and set it up for you, provide you a domain AND a server.

Newer webmasters walk in and enjoy an incredible buffet of food to choose from. The table and chairs have all been set up and all they have to do is eat.

And while you don't have to come over and stuff a $20 in my pocket, it doesn't hurt to recognize the folks who did all the cooking and prep work for the bounty you're receiving

Your analogy might be correct if all the food was already eaten from the buffent when the newer webmasters arrive. You can have all the promo tools in the world but they are worthless when fewer people are buying than ever before and more people are trying to sell than ever before. You think its easy starting from step 1 today? Give me a break. It was very easy when i started in 98, as a result i was lazy and didn't work for months at a time and as a result, i don't "own the niche i was in". But hey, i was only 20 and never thought the gravy train would slowly come to a crawl.

[Minte]

Originally Posted by quiet

how old do i have to be to be considered elite?

You need to have an AARP card.

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by Minte

You need to have an AARP card.

How sad is it when I was actually excited to see I only have to wait 4 more years to get AARP discounts?

[ry0t]

I agree. Some of us werent able to be "of age" when the internet came out. So the older guys got a big head start because they weren't doing homework in gradeschool. Now the market is flooded and you need to be super creative and skilled to even get into this.

[leedsfan]

it's not about being elite, it's about being dialed in to win.

[Fucksakes]

I know ALOT of ppl in this industry from being around so long, ppl I talk to for hours a day for over 7 years.. I offer help and get help when I need it, I have earn my respect and if anything makes me elite.. thats exactly it..

Its not how much I know or how much money I make or made.

[12clicks]

I think a sense of eliteness comes about from watching your competitors come and go.
The young guys always want to chirp about how easy it used to be.
really? Well what happened to the tens of thousands of others, no longer here, who started when I did? You know, when it was so easy.

[shekinah]

Because they learned form experience

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Peaches

Personally I feel the opposite. It's 100 times harder to start a program and make serious bank now than it was 10 years ago. Back then, any idiot could make money ;)

Some of the new programs have niches, content and features that are awesome while some of the old timers are just doing things the "old way" and happy to get whatever scraps they still can.

Of all the major program owners I dealt with in the beginning, I can only think of a handful that are even still hands on with their programs. Most are enjoying mainstream income/playing/retired while paying someone else to run the adult stuff.

What are they doing in mainstream? What are they selling? Are they operating mainstream affiliate programs?

[Boobs Dot Com]

Why do "new timers" get upset when "old timers" think they are elite? Let them feel good...it's nice to be kind to old people..

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by the Shemp

being old doesnt make you elite, but it does get you a free coffee at burger king before 10:30 am ...

And this is what truly matter

[Techie Media]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

I think a sense of eliteness comes about from watching your competitors come and go.
The young guys always want to chirp about how easy it used to be.
really? Well what happened to the tens of thousands of others, no longer here, who started when I did? You know, when it was so easy.

Those are true words...

[GreyWolf]

Originally Posted by Sly

Why do "old timers" feel so elite?

Some folks may feel elite - who cares? But doubt it is generally a feeling of being elite.

There are "old timers" who literally made this industry - some are well-known, others not generally known. They fought court battles and struggles before the net was a gleam in Tim Lee's eye. They initiated the concept of adult stores, around which a whole industry developed - from manufacturing in Asia, video production to print media. They all ran "real world" businesses and employed many people - and a fair number of these business are now quoted on various stock exchanges, tho probably more are still privately owned.

The internet is simply another 'store front' for the adult industry and started about a decade ago. It's hard to compare people who have been managing companies in the adult industry for, sometimes 40 years or more and who have went thru various legal battles - and survived.

When the net is only around 10 years old, it's hard to see there are any "old timers" in the online adult industry apart from those who existed prior to that time.

If anything, there is a blatant difference in the way business is done. There are plenty good "noobs" (we are all "noobs" when it comes to the net) with a clue, but far more clearly lack any business accumen and who would have no hope in hell of either raising finance or running a bricks and mortar business.

Maybe that is the difference between the "elite" and "non elite"??

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by Lightning

Those are true words...

Holy shit, posts from you these days are as rare as getting hit by lightning.


:D

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Holy shit, posts from you these days are as rare as getting hit by lightning.


:D

[scottybuzz]

i still want to get the fucker who installed a dailer on my pc when i was 12 years old and charged me $2 a minuite to access it. i had no idea what i was doing and I got in trouble coz of a huge bill.

whoever that old timer was im gonna kick him in the balls. Lets see if he feels "elite" then

[GreyWolf]

Originally Posted by scottybuzz

i still want to get the fucker who installed a dailer on my pc when i was 12 years old and charged me $2 a minuite to access it. i had no idea what i was doing and I got in trouble coz of a huge bill.

whoever that old timer was im gonna kick him in the balls. Lets see if he feels "elite" then

That's not an "old timer" Scotty - that is a crook

Where there is possible abuse, you can always trust human scum to step in, cause problems and be the cause of legislation.

[Steve Awesome]

With age comes wisdom.