VOD and DRM videos really fucking sucked dick

[Blue Player]

Crap affiliate payouts, zero recurring.

Probably the biggest load of bollocks since IBM stated that their was no money in home computers.

[Blue Player]

Seriously apart from the people who ran the sites did anyone make decent green as a VOD affiliate? I will have to admit to making a massive $120 with AEBN before realising it was a load of toss.

The way forward is the huge DVD download sites. No-one wants to rent people want to own!

[KimJI]

you = moron with no clue as to how you cna profit from VOD

[Masterchief]

the world just isnt ready for drm'd VOD yet, the technology just isn't mature yet and it doesn't just work "seamlessly" as it should.

I've been a programmer for nearly 10 years and even I get a headache fucking around with these "movie on demand" sites. It's much easier to just hit up usenet/torrents/zshare/etc and download at will.

[Blue Player]

Originally Posted by KimJI

you = moron with no clue as to how you cna profit from VOD

Well I generate 50 to 250 sign up per day for standard subscription based sites that tend to generate highly revenue for the site owner and affiliate. So please oh fucking intelligent guru of the Interweb enlighten me with your secrets on how to make money from the pile of shit that is VOD?

[Dirty F]

Man, i made several posts about how drm would fail and all the big guys told me i was a moron and every program would be using drm within a year.

Now 2 or 3 years later none of those programs is using drm anymore.

I should search up some of those posts.

[Masterchief]

And don't get me wrong, I'm sure people are making money and profiting off of it, but I can guarantee you that with the current state, it will never be anything "big".

The cable companies have already beat them to the punch with their on demand offerings.

[Dirty F]

Big players 3 years ago after spending 20k drm-ing their shit:


Our members will rebill forever. This is the future and every program will have it within the next 12 months."

Me: The only thing it will accomplish is chargebacks from surfers who feel fucked over. Unless you mention its DRM protected before they sign up - which will kill your ratios.

Big players: STFU noob

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

DRM and Pay per view has been around for years and years.
Many years. It aint new, its not innovative at all. AEBN been doing it for gawd knows how long...

It's great for upsells in members sections maybe but thats it, thats all.

DirtyFrank I remember those threads to...
DRM and Pay Perview was supposed to be the god's saving grace to Video companies Lollzzz

Dude I have gone to many video companies and they all say the PayPerview DRM deals they got goin is pure shit for cash. I never met a video guy happy with Online PayPerview Royalties.

[Blue Player]

I bet AEBN and Hotmovies piss money. From an affiliates pointof view VOD sites suck arse and now having "No Videos Are DRM" on the tour of a site increases convertions.

Affiliate hate it
Surfers hate it

[Blue Player]

Mark my words people will pretty much have given up with DRM sites within the next year. VOD like AEBN etc will stay but are set to take a massive beating from sites like the new platinum bucks site.

[_Rush_]

Someone was asking for people willing to fill out an interview for a blog experiment. I don't think it ever got published, but this is what I think:

11) What future projects would you like to explore or what future trends do you see for online business?

GeoIP is still way too underdeveloped and we should see some interesting changes in its use in the future.

I’m worried about how producers will enforce their copyright of their productions. Up until now, the online porn business had been very permissive about the whole Bittorrent and P2P thing. If anything, they tried to profit out of it. Lately, I’ve been noticing trends that resemble those of the early RIAA and MPAA and it saddens me because everyone knows how everything these two organizations have ever done has resulted in embarrassment. Quite recently, they had their first big victory and it was against AllOfMp3.com. They were able to block credit card processing for that site and now their customers cannot refill their accounts. Unless a miracle happens, AllOfMp3.com is bleeding to death. This is exactly what the adult industry has to do. Go after the funding of these pirate sites and let them slowly bleed to death. It doesn’t matter if you’re a freedom-fighting cyberpunk. If you don’t have the funding for it, you simply cannot do it.

I think that the industry is going the wrong way and that DRM and embedding videos is a mistake; the very same one that the RIAA made. Some websites have started to cripple the whole experience to the people that are actually buying their memberships! Let’s be honest, nobody wants to watch a porn video embedded in some pink background. To make things worse, some of these people are not using specialized media-streaming servers, so the videos keep on buffering! Don't even get me started on DRM...

Call me old fashioned, but when I buy a membership I want to be able to download and store my favorite clips for later viewing. I like to watch them as many times as I want in full screen and without those annoying pauses while the media buffers.

Here's something that I posted on another board a while ago as well:

Anything with DRM will inevitably suck because you're cutting down on your consumer's rights. Every single measure that the RIAA and MPAA have taken has screwed the legitimate consumers while doing nothing to stop the leechers. I would definitely steer clear of DRM.

See, the problem is that by using DRM or even embedding videos in your member's areas, you're changing business. You are going from selling content to renting content. Sure, it might help rebill for a while, but after surfers start realizing that they can own their content by getting it from torrents as opposed to renting it for as long as they stay members of that site, we're going to have another problem.

We SELL porn, we do not RENT it. We don't care where our customer watches our porn, or if he copies it to his laptop to watch while he's on a business trip, away from his loving wife; we just want him to buy it and keep buying it if we're putting out new stuff. Our "license" is on a per dick basis, not on a "per computer" or even worse, "per motherboard", like Microsoft's abusive EULA.

Embedding videos or applying DRM would be shooting ourselves in the foot and I believe that it would actually drive people straight to torrent sites.

At least my humble opinion on the whole subject...

[KimJI]

Originally Posted by Blue Player

Well I generate 50 to 250 sign up per day for standard subscription based sites that tend to generate highly revenue for the site owner and affiliate. So please oh fucking intelligent guru of the Interweb enlighten me with your secrets on how to make money from the pile of shit that is VOD?

You dont generate 50 to 250 sales a day, stop the bullshit. And you still dont get the power of VOD.

DRM as we know it today is dead, that I agree on, but it will still be one of the main reason's Adult Webmasters will make a profit in the future when the new technologies finally move over to Adult.

The large movie companies are testing some of the systems right now, and I predict it will hit Adult in less than a year. One of the best way to handle DRM is to combine it with a syndication technology, and many people are finally embracing that idea

[nico-t]

tried 1 vod sponsor
wait let me check stats this is gonna be fun...

uniques: 6,736
sales: $5.49
commission: $1.37

Big money in VOD!!!!
Never tried another vod sponsor anymore, and will never try one.

[KimJI]

Originally Posted by nico-t

tried 1 vod sponsor
wait let me check stats this is gonna be fun...

uniques: 6,736
sales: $5.49
commission: $1.37

Big money in VOD!!!!
Never tried another vod sponsor anymore, and will never try one.

You tried one sponsor and send 6,736 hits? you call that a test?

[Paul Markham]

The future, whether you like it or not, is selling the surfer a movie scene or two at a time. When he wants it and how he wants it. AND more importantly at the price he's willing to pay for it.

The days of selling a guy looking for a 20 minute thrill a months membership for $30 is drawing to a close. Get with the program guys.

You all rubbished www.5dollarsporn.com because it was me and because it threatened your $30 sign up model. You then spent months bouncing a thread on a board used by surfers. I don't need affiliates when I have you guys, thanks guys.

But I saw the numbers.

Why did we not pursue it? Because our CMS was not up to it, the new one is and we hope soon we will be producing a site a day. 10 videos for $5 or maybe even $2.00. With the surfer coming back and joining up to another one as and when he pleases.

You won't send me traffic.

You'll just bump the thread for me if I put in a link wrong.

[Trax]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The future, whether you like it or not, is selling the surfer a movie scene or two at a time. When he wants it and how he wants it. AND more importantly at the price he's willing to pay for it.

The days of selling a guy looking for a 20 minute thrill a months membership for $30 is drawing to a close. Get with the program guys.

You all rubbished www.5dollarsporn.com because it was me and because it threatened your $30 sign up model. You then spent months bouncing a thread on a board used by surfers. I don't need affiliates when I have you guys, thanks guys.

But I saw the numbers.

Why did we not pursue it? Because our CMS was not up to it, the new one is and we hope soon we will be producing a site a day. 10 videos for $5 or maybe even $2.00. With the surfer coming back and joining up to another one as and when he pleases.

You won't send me traffic.

You'll just bump the thread for me if I put in a link wrong.

blah blah blah
your surfer can get 3000 DVDs over at videobox for TEN BUCKS
no drm
no nothing
only idiots pay 5 bucks for 10 videos

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by KimJI

You tried one sponsor and send 6,736 hits? you call that a test?

stats from a period of time where i made that 1 sale not the total stats, i think about a total of 10.000 uniques for that one time $1.35. If you got these stats i wish you good luck in continuing to waste more traffic, but im not flushing my traffic down the shitter thank you very much.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Trax

blah blah blah
your surfer can get 3000 DVDs over at videobox for TEN BUCKS
no drm
no nothing
only idiots pay 5 bucks for 10 videos

What the heck are you smoking?

The industry is formed on selling the surfer 40-50 videos for $30. Yes Videobox is one of the future models for porn.

Why would he spend $5 for 10 when he can get 3000 for $10?

If you know that you would earn a lot of money.

Nico are you saying the surfer wants to spend $30 for 20 minutes instead of $1? If your traffic is that good please send some to me please.

[_Rush_]

Paul, I don't have anything against you, but as a surfer, I would never join a site that is called 5dollarsporn. It would make me feel ghetto. I would, however, join a site that is called something else and costs 5 dollars if I like a girl featured on there. Sure, there is a market for this kind of pricing, but I wouldn't have used that name. It is my humble opinion and the way I would have handled it, but I may be wrong.

I like porn and have joined sites in the past, but I'm certain of two things:

1) I will never buy anything with DRM that cripples whatever it is I bought. I want to watch it offline, online, in my PC or my laptop and be able to copy things back and forth among my devices. I don't want to 'rent' nor have other people tell me how I should use the videos I bought.

2) I do not like to watch streaming video outside of YouTube, Metacafe etc. I like to store videos that I like and have purchased and have several from waaaaay back that have survived at least 8 or 9 hard drives.

Actually, I also know another thing. Unless something drastic happens with hardware manufacturers requiring DRM to be able to play the file at all, there's always going to be a market for unrestricted content. That's where I'd like to be.

I do no think that we will gain anything by restricting the privileges and experience that the people that buy our memberships deserve. We should attack the whole torrent and P2P problem from another angle and we all know which angle it is.

[TheDoc]

I promote vod/ppv and do just fine, I know plenty of others that do well, much better than myself with adult vod too. It's all about traffic quality, if you try to dump a bunch of useless traffic on it, you won't make crap. Filter the traffic down so you only target the people that want or know what vod/ppv is. This will allow you to pick out the traffic with $$ and put them on a vod website that will get them to spend the money.

With adult vod, besides traffic quality, you need time. Paysites take 3 months on average to start a good rebill role, no reason to think adult vod is any different. And with both, the more time you have with continual sales, the larger the rebill base will grow, the larger the checks will grow.

Adult vod isn't going to replace the paysite model and $30 monthly memberships isn't going away.

[JayDeeZee]

PPV VOD is about giving choice and control to the end user. They can join a subscription based site and get a few thousand movies or they can PPV on a much larger selection with more studio choices.

We run both AdultRental and DVDtube.com and I don't feel that we are competing with ourselves. It's all about offering choice.

For those who are not making enough money from VOD, try us! We're paying PPS.

[JayDeeZee]

Originally Posted by Blue Player

Well I generate 50 to 250 sign up per day for standard subscription based sites that tend to generate highly revenue for the site owner and affiliate. So please oh fucking intelligent guru of the Interweb enlighten me with your secrets on how to make money from the pile of shit that is VOD?

Without know the specifics of your marketing or traffic. VOD generally recurrs more frequently than once per month and tends to retain much longer.



If you don't believe that, take our $25 PPS option.

[Dirty F]

Paul, please stay out of this. Nobody is interested in your same old blah blah about your website. We dont care.

[nation-x]

The key to making money in VOD is longetivity... something that I find that most new affiliates don't understand... they want a 100K tgp making $50 million dollars in 3 days. good fucking luck... AEBN pays huge money to the affiliates that understand how the program works... as do most VOD programs... Don't expect to make a shitload of money sending little itty bitty traffic (6k LOL). Put up your links to VOD Theatre... let that age... next thing you know you will have a membership base paying you $500/month... then $600/month... and on and on... VOD is all about generating members and turning them on to their choices... AEBN has 60,000+ Movies to watch as well as XXX To Burn for those that want to download the DVD and burn it.

AEBN is a $100 million company... if you think VOD doesn't pay then you don't have a clue. The real problem here is that you have to learn how to market it. It's just like any other program... I watch you fools post about having HUGE conversion rates and laugh because it's obvious to me that you are promoting what you want and not what your surfers want. Connect game... figure out what your customers want and give that to them... don't promote shit they don't want to see.

[nation-x]

Originally Posted by GhostCash Rush

At least my humble opinion on the whole subject...

No offense... but you sound retarded... who hired you? You better get a grasp of how shit works... if anything you said was true then PPV on cable TV wouldn't make a dime... Blockbuster would be out of business and on and on. DRM that. "consumer's rights" "We SELL porn, we do not RENT it." Hahaha... That is probably why Ghost Cash is such a big player. LOL

[Blue Player]

Originally Posted by KimJI

You dont generate 50 to 250 sales a day, stop the bullshit. And you still dont get the power of VOD.

I actually do 50 to 250 sales per day and have done since way back.

I am even looking at selling 4 sites at the moment.

[JayDeeZee]

Originally Posted by Blue Player

I actually do 50 to 250 sales per day and have done since way back.

I am even looking at selling 4 sites at the moment.

What sites?

[Jace]

I actually do quite well selling VOD....but it isn't something you put up a banner for and a week later have $2000 waiting for you

it takes a bit to build up and get a customer base in the theater you have set up, but once you do you can take links down and still have checks coming in a year later from those customers

[TheDoc]

I think AEBN only pays 20%.. And they have been around for ever, that has to have created some name saturation.

You should test out some other VOD sponsors, like YappoDollars which is who I use, or some of the others that have posted here.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by Blue Player

Seriously apart from the people who ran the sites did anyone make decent green as a VOD affiliate? I will have to admit to making a massive $120 with AEBN before realising it was a load of toss.

The way forward is the huge DVD download sites. No-one wants to rent people want to own!

I made around $100k with AEBN

[Blue Player]

Originally Posted by JayDeeZee

What sites?

They are ones that are had made and really dont understand the niches, spanking, pissing etc.

They would be worthless to you. Trust me on this.

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by JayDeeZee

PPV VOD is about giving choice and control to the end user. They can join a subscription based site and get a few thousand movies or they can PPV on a much larger selection with more studio choices.

We run both AdultRental and DVDtube.com and I don't feel that we are competing with ourselves. It's all about offering choice.

For those who are not making enough money from VOD, try us! We're paying PPS.

I do quite well with a certain vod sponsor...

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by Libertine

I made around $100k with AEBN

Since nobody else spammed the code yet - if you've never checked them out, you're definitely missing out.

Hints for promoting them: give it some time, focus on niches, use their promo tools like the video consoles (which are basically free content added to your site), and get your own theater, specifically made for your own traffic.

[drjones]

Originally Posted by Jace

I actually do quite well selling VOD....but it isn't something you put up a banner for and a week later have $2000 waiting for you

it takes a bit to build up and get a customer base in the theater you have set up, but once you do you can take links down and still have checks coming in a year later from those customers

Bingo.

Its reliable, steady income, once you get it to a decent level. If you stop sending traffic, your checks will fluctuate a little here and there, but you will still get checks for years for roughly the same amount, because those members you referred still buy.

I've personally seen this with more than a few sites in our program, who have for one reason or another gotten out of the biz. They still get checks from us, have been for years, and are close to the same amount they received until they took down their sites.

VOD is slow to build, but *very* dependable income. One word of caution.. do read the fine print for whatever VOD program you join. Your members are always yours with AEBN, but many of the programs will reassign signups to their own refid, after a certain period of time or inactivity. You're not likely to see that reliable income from a program that siphons away your members.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by drjones

Your members are always yours with AEBN

This one is true, and *extremely* important. AEBN is one of the few companies in adult I really trust.

In fact, I'm gonna put them in my sig just for that.

[nation-x]

you can also send to the many niched out theatres that are available...

Japan Non Mosaic
http://japannonmosaic.com/index.cfm?...id=AEBN-028197
Latin Girls
http://www.latinpayperview.com/frame...id=AEBN-028197
Pornstars
http://www.pornstarpayperview.com/in...id=AEBN-028197
Pissing
http://www.pissingpayperview.com/ind...id=AEBN-028197
Teen
http://www.teenpayperview.com/index....id=AEBN-028197

[JC-OCCash]

Does anyone know of any non US companies that do DRM?

[Masterchief]

Originally Posted by JC-OCCash

Does anyone know of any non US companies that do DRM?

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...providers.aspx