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08-03-2007, 09:17 PM
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TGP/freesites/blogs and 2257
OK I'm looking to see ideas on what some of you are planning in regards to operating free sites and dealing with 2257 the way it's been proposed.
I personally don't think even text will be safe in the long run, as I believe they intend to target them as well. I haven't seen any affiliate programs come out and say they will provide the needed material, so that puts us guys that operate free sites between the rock and a hard place. Honestly the only way I can even see a free site remaining legal is to run your own pay-sites and build the free sites around them and just promote your own sites and the few affiliate programs that will provide the 2257 info. So I'm wondering what others plan to do?
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Hmm I guess I haven't heard of the changes. I have always just had a text link at the bottom linking to the sponsors 2257 page.
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08-03-2007, 09:38 PM
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08-03-2007, 09:39 PM
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It just seems like more and more they want to make the person responsible for their content on their site and all the sites that they link to. I know that recently there has some been precidence set for this, but wow this new 2257 crap is just stupid. If the person who took the photos has the proper records, why can't you just provide that contact data?
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If you are an American citizen you still have to comply with US laws, reguardless of where you live. If you do business with US customers, you have to comply with US laws.
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Hope this helps...
Don't confuse the 2257 record keeping statement with the "custodian of records" documentation that indicates the actual info on the "actors" held at the company who has the actual rights to the content...
The two main parts of the 2257 is a statement saying "actor(s)" are 18+ and the actual street address on where the "custodian of records" is located ... There is no real reason why adult web master should not have a 2257 statement on their website(s)... Now getting all the "actors" personal information may be a very different story; now if you are just an associate of an adult program then just indicate that your not the "custodian of records" keeper, but who actually does hold such records on the "actors"... If you buy content and have the rights, including the "actors" information then yea... you must indicate your place of business in your 2257 record statement linked off of your adult site(s) at the very bottom on where the legal types can examine such records... Spend a few thousands and get yourself some legal advice if you have any questions... Later, . .
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There is no more pointing to someone elses custodian of records page. You yourself are now required to have all of the records, under the new guidelines.
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08-04-2007, 12:55 AM
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Nothing, but if they decided to make you a target they could likely legally go after you. The last group of guys that got busted doing online gambling were Canadian citizens with their company set up in one of those Caribbean islands. However, that didn't stop the US from grabbing them when they set foot on US soil. So if you do biz with US customers, if you don't follow US laws you could be subject to them coming after you.
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I guess you'd have to be a pretty big fish, and even then they'd have trouble with this one.. An international company breaking another countries.... RECORD KEEPING laws? ;)
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Yea right crockett... your full of shit !
Perhaps you should hire a law office or two as to clarify things for you... I'm not going to waiste my time teaching you...
Since you seem to have all this knowledge then what is your website(s); since there is a difference between theory and practice and since you are talking like an expert this should be very easy for you... I would like to see you back up your mouth with a proper adult website displayed... .
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Perhaps it's you that needs to consult a lawyer..
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08-04-2007, 06:04 AM
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If you have a text site you are fine for the moment.
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The U.S. is a mighty country where we can freely make sites full of dead bodies and videos of people getting killed to satisfy the morbid curiosity of our closet serial killers, BUT to show some sex...
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If you are an American citizen, you must comply with US law if you are living and / or operating in the US. Companies and individuals who live outside of the US are no more subject to US labeling laws than a European radio station would be subject to the FCC. We don't export a product, we sell traffic. My surfers are entirely 2257 compliant. |
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You are crazy if you think being an American citizen and just moving offshore allows you to ignore US laws. Ask the guys from Netteller how well that worked out for them.
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You can ignore the laws - but then you risk coming back. Kinda hard to check their "arrest on arrival" list before landing.
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What I'm still unclear about is whether an International citizen COULD make a list for breaking this US law? I mean it's meant for US citizens and companies! I mean with this logic, I already can't go to china? You'd think you'd have to do something bad *in* china to be arrested for it? They could arrest me just for having my websites? I guess china can do what they want..
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Now if you would be put on an arrest on arrival list I have no clue, I would doubt it unless they had you targeted for something. Meaning they likely wouldn't arrest you for not complying with something like 2257 but if they suspected or had proof you were deal in CP or something like that then they likely would. Would likely work the same for any country, not just the US. It's just like when China and Germany were threating webmasters out side their countries a few years back. Anyway this isn't a topic about what's right or wrong or what a govt can or can't do. Rather a topic asking what other webmasters plan to do. Seems no one has any plans or they don't care yet.
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Good points. I think everyone is waiting for the final decision before making any panic plays, because things could change. It's pretty clear that free sites as we know them from the USA are going to be a thing of the past though, when reality sets in. I don't think many people really get this yet.
What will probably happen is webmasters will still do nothing, make no changes (or make the wrong ones) and wait for people to start getting busted. When webmasters start crying here that they have to go to court and are facing jailtime - then people will start to pull their sites and make plans. |
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In the strict sense of the law yes. If you do biz in a country, in most cases you would be required to follow their laws. I just depends how each country considers the Internet in regards to doing biz. Now it's unlikely, you would ever become a target by another country, unless you were scamming or producing illegal content. So in most cases it's a mute point. However I don't think I'd travel to China and tell them I sell porn online, same with Germany or the UK. For the average person out side the US, it likely won't be an issue. However I'm inside the US and a US citizen so it is an issue for me. At this point, the only way I can see operating a legal free site, would be if I onlt deal with programs that provide me with 2257 info, or run my own paysites and just promote them.
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http://pornaccess.com/2257.php http://deluxepass.com/usc2257.php?tpl=2&cat=tn http://www.pornpayperview.com/compli...ont_delete.cfm Right? Just wonder...
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I'm enjoying the debate and would like a solid answer.. this thread is bookmarked.
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Seems like no many people here understand that.
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Or maybe it's the fact the proposed regulations came out about 2 or 3 weeks ago, so they haven't decided what to do, or know what to do.. Have you even read the new propossed changes? I thinking not..
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BTW, so what's about foreign countries? For example, zoo is forbidden in the USA, but there are lots of Dutch sites that sell zoo. Would FBI come after them? And what about those coffeeshop owners that sell marijuana to the US citizens who are visiting the Netherlands? Do they also will be arrested according to the US laws because they are targeting American tourists? Just wonder as usually...
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The only people who ever get screwed on things like that are guys like the ones running offshore gambling, but they aren't arrested for running gambling but for moving money from US customers to their companies to allow for illegal gambling. Viewing porn has not been made illegal, just a record keeping requirement for US based companies. You know, companies sell products outside the US without the nutrition labels on them, which are a mandated paperwork requirement of selling food in the US. Yet none of those companies go to hell because they sell food in another country without them. You guys are thinking that 2257 makes porn illegal. It doesn't. It is a record keeping rule, it didn't make the production of porn or the transmitting of porn illegal. |
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I've converted all my sites (tgps) to text. I still have banners up on some of my sites, but they are in compliance with the old regs. I know that doesn't cut it now, and that I will not be compliant if the new changes go into effect, but for now I'm just waiting to see what happens with the proposed changes. Regulations are still too vague to be certain whether you are 100% compliant.
If changes are eventually made to affect sites that are 100% text, truth be told, I probably won't do much else to comply. I find it hard to believe that in a government's effort to thwart CP, the owner of 100% text sites, who does his best (within reason) to comply & links solely to third-party material provided by companies that have already been inspected & passed, will be sentenced to spend years in a federal prison. That's just my 2 cents though. Good luck to everyone in becoming compliant.
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