Experimenting on price. (Business Thread) - GoFuckYourself.com

Paul Markham · 08-13-2007, 01:42 AM

I'm trying to find out more about what surfers want and willing to pay for when the buy porn. So last night I sent out a spam to all our ex members and surfers email list telling them about the new girls and the new prices on the paysite. Paul Markham Teens. This is the tour for our traffic and not affiliates traffic.

$2.95 for a 3 Day trial, recurring at $29.95 for 30 days.
$5.00 for a 3 Day membership. non recurring.
$15.00 for a 30 Day recurring at $35.95 for 30 days.
$35.95 for 30 a Day membership non recurring.

Also normal prices via CCBILL.

So far the results are very interesting when compared with the spam we send out with the normal prices. I will keep you informed.

polish_aristocrat · 08-13-2007, 01:43 AM

will this be another classic thread, bumped for the next 2 years?

edit: so what are the results so far?

baddog · 08-13-2007, 01:46 AM

just getting a sig spot

Young · 08-13-2007, 01:49 AM

Why don't you give it away for free ?

You know...adapt.

v4 media · 08-13-2007, 01:56 AM

let the magic join links decide..

polish_aristocrat · 08-13-2007, 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

$15.00 for a 30 Day recurring at $35.95 for 30 days.
$35.95 for 30 a Day membership non recurring.

does it make sense?

Paul Markham · 08-13-2007, 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

will this be another classic thread, bumped for the next 2 years?

edit: so what are the result

I hope so.

So far results are interesting and still coming in.

paulmarkhamteens.com/

cashbot · 08-13-2007, 02:11 AM

So Paul Markham comes out as teh spammer he is... I'm contacting spamhaus right now with a link to this thread

gandalfuy · 08-13-2007, 02:19 AM

so what about those results?
what can u tell?

Doctor Dre · 08-13-2007, 03:02 AM

Magic Join Links work in emails too?

CyberHustler · 08-13-2007, 03:18 AM

Paul Markham · 08-13-2007, 04:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog

just getting a sig spot

Good move.

pussyluver · 08-13-2007, 04:53 AM

Why you charging so much for crack whore content?

Matt_WildCash · 08-13-2007, 05:27 AM

Paul yep I bet majority took the $5.00 for a 3 Day membership I sure would. Surfers dont' want to convert to full unless you half force them.

btw, I recommend taking that pricing code off, your losing money with that pricing option on your paysite. There are more profitable more appealing prices to use for your ex members than this no recurring option

ServerGenius · 08-13-2007, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by pussyluver

Why you charging so much for crack whore content?

grumpy coz no one has bought your sig yet and food is running out fast idiot?

Adult Banner Exchange · 08-13-2007, 05:41 AM

Who mentioned Sig Spot.

.

Paul Markham · 08-13-2007, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt_WildCash

Paul yep I bet majority took the $5.00 for a 3 Day membership I sure would. Surfers dont' want to convert to full unless you half force them.

btw, I recommend taking that pricing code off, your losing money with that pricing option on your paysite. There are more profitable more appealing prices to use for your ex members than this no recurring option

Sensible post, thanks.

5 years ago we largely had the monopoly on porn via the Net, unless the surfer wanted to make do with 15 second clips. And the Net converted a lot better than it does today.

Today we do not have any strangle hold and the options for surfers are many. We went from 1-50 to 1-100 to 1-500 to 1-2000, and still many say the solution is more traffic.

I will be trying different price options over the next few weeks to see what the surfer wants and what is the most profitable. Some of the prices will not make sense to us, let's see if the surfer understands.

ServerGenius · 08-13-2007, 05:46 AM

try to stop taking 3 day trials/access and be suprised what that can do to your result

ServerGenius · 08-13-2007, 05:47 AM

The magic word before Traffic is Retention

Paul Markham · 08-13-2007, 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Young

Why don't you give it away for free ?

You know...adapt.

Nothing is free.

TeenSluts · 08-13-2007, 07:18 AM

cool stuff.....

pussyluver · 08-13-2007, 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ServerGenius

grumpy coz no one has bought your sig yet and food is running out fast idiot?

Just giving Paul shit that he deseves...

potter · 08-13-2007, 07:53 AM

experimenting on price = paysite operating 101..

nice of you to join us in the adult biz there paul..

Paul Markham · 08-13-2007, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pussyluver

Why you charging so much for crack whore content?

How much should I charge then?

TeenCat · 08-13-2007, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

does it make sense?

oh man alright, come on paul im not getting that ... why would someone buy 30days non recurring? its just eye or brain catch?

Paul Markham · 08-13-2007, 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TeenCat

oh man alright, come on paul im not getting that ... why would someone buy 30days non recurring? its just eye or brain catch?

No idea at all. Other than he wants one month and not the bother of cancelling. So far this is the less popular price option.

The experiment is to find out what the customer wants and not what we think he wants. The most popular one so far is the $5 one for 3 days.

zand_stein · 08-13-2007, 10:55 PM

will i do believe that having a high price for a pacticular product must have good quality............

After Shock Media · 08-13-2007, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

No idea at all. Other than he wants one month and not the bother of cancelling. So far this is the less popular price option.

The experiment is to find out what the customer wants and not what we think he wants. The most popular one so far is the $5 one for 3 days.

Lets just hope you had the foresite to add in limited trial access, bandwidth controlls, how much they can download before they have to upgrade etc.

potter · 08-13-2007, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Lets just hope you had the foresite to add in limited trial access, bandwidth controlls, how much they can download before they have to upgrade etc.

that's always the best option with trials.

warlock5 · 08-13-2007, 11:40 PM

You need to try a split test, send 20% of the list one price scheme, 20% another, and so on.

Snake Doctor · 08-13-2007, 11:45 PM

Offering former members a trial makes no sense at all, they've already seen the members area.

ultimatebbwdotcom · 08-13-2007, 11:50 PM

How much of the site do they get to see for $3?

polish_aristocrat · 08-14-2007, 04:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

We went from 1-50 to 1-100 to 1-500 to 1-2000, and still many say the solution is more traffic.

this is true and i hate it

Paul Markham · 08-14-2007, 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lenny2

Offering former members a trial makes no sense at all, they've already seen the members area.

What if they only want to see a few of the new videos?

OK they have gone for the $5 3 day membership as well. I'm also sending traffic to it from a email gathering.

RSD · 08-14-2007, 06:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Sensible post, thanks.
Today we do not have any strangle hold and the options for surfers are many. We went from 1-50 to 1-100 to 1-500 to 1-2000, and still many say the solution is more traffic.

Let's do some math:

What will come after the 1-2000 ...

My algorhytm says: 1 : 15000

I can explain this mathematically, beacuse i have found some logic in the following numbers:

1-50
1-100
1-500
1-2000
....

What is your guess? How did I come to 1 : 15000 ?

Snake Doctor · 08-15-2007, 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

What if they only want to see a few of the new videos?

OK they have gone for the $5 3 day membership as well. I'm also sending traffic to it from a email gathering.

Fuck that man, you're thinking like a surfer and not like a business owner.

Trials are so people can check out the members area and see if they like it before they commit to a full month and $30 or more.
If you offer them a trial AFTER they've been in the members area, then the ones who take it will certainly cancel before the trial period is up.

If you're happy making $5 when you could make $20, then more power to you.

Snake Doctor · 08-15-2007, 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

No idea at all. Other than he wants one month and not the bother of cancelling. So far this is the less popular price option.

The experiment is to find out what the customer wants and not what we think he wants. The most popular one so far is the $5 one for 3 days.

What the customer wants is as much porn as possible for as little money as possible....they prefer free.
Of course the cheapest option is the most popular, they give you $5 and then cancel right away, download what they want and then forget about you.

Your job as a paysite owner is to find the price point that maximizes your revenue.
Charge too much and nobody will sign up or stay, charge too little and you won't make enough to cover your overhead AND you'll send the message to the customer that your product is "cheap"
Find the middle ground that makes the most money overall.

You obviously have alot to learn about running a paysite, that's fine, everyone has to learn.
If I were you I wouldn't do that learning in public, or else you'll never get affiliates to send you traffic.
Nobody wants to send traffic to someone who appears to not know what they're doing.

That's your free advice for today, I'll await your I-know-everything-about-everything rebuttal.

After Shock Media · 08-15-2007, 12:37 AM

You should be mailing your former customers other peoples sites, and not your own. Well you can add your own in the mailer but stress several other sites in related niches. That is the proper way to use your past members email list. Not trying to sell them another trial to your site, odds are they already know about your site and if not you can kindly remind them and offer them a we miss you special price. One that costs more than a fucking trial though.

Paul Markham · 08-23-2007, 01:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Lets just hope you had the foresite to add in limited trial access, bandwidth controlls, how much they can download before they have to upgrade etc.

I watched what they were doing. Truth is very few members want to download everything. If they did this would be a very different industry.

I will be giving you guys the results today. You will be amazed at what came out top and the margin.

baddog · 08-23-2007, 01:42 AM

I just want to know how many members sent you emails complimenting your business sense and for offering them so many membership options.

Everything else is moot.

Paul Markham · 08-23-2007, 02:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog

I just want to know how many members sent you emails complimenting your business sense and for offering them so many membership options.

Everything else is moot.

None, but by the joins and what they chose I think it worked fine.

commonsense · 08-23-2007, 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

None, but by the joins and what they chose I think it worked fine.

You have a history of lying about your results, so why this time be any different? Without showing stats (especially from you) anything you say is considered bullshit by the masses. Sending the option for a trial or EXTREME discount join option to past members makes no sense. They know what you have inside your members area. If they like it enough to pull out their credit card again, they'll want access for more than a few days and not deal with the trickery of a trial join.

Lenny2 had some good advice: Most affiliates (the ones that can actually send a sale) dislike sending traffic to a program that doesn't have their shit together.

Roald · 08-23-2007, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by commonsense

You have a history of lying about your results, so why this time be any different? Without showing stats (especially from you) anything you say is considered bullshit by the masses. Sending the option for a trial or EXTREME discount join option to past members makes no sense. They know what you have inside your members area. If they like it enough to pull out their credit card again, they'll want access for more than a few days and not deal with the trickery of a trial join.

Lenny2 had some good advice: Most affiliates (the ones that can actually send a sale) dislike sending traffic to a program that doesn't have their shit together.

Now why would you say something like that you hater

08-13-2007, 01:42 AM	#1
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Experimenting on price. (Business Thread) I'm trying to find out more about what surfers want and willing to pay for when the buy porn. So last night I sent out a spam to all our ex members and surfers email list telling them about the new girls and the new prices on the paysite. Paul Markham Teens. This is the tour for our traffic and not affiliates traffic. $2.95 for a 3 Day trial, recurring at $29.95 for 30 days. $5.00 for a 3 Day membership. non recurring. $15.00 for a 30 Day recurring at $35.95 for 30 days. $35.95 for 30 a Day membership non recurring. Also normal prices via CCBILL. So far the results are very interesting when compared with the spam we send out with the normal prices. I will keep you informed. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

08-13-2007, 01:43 AM	#2
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08-13-2007, 01:49 AM	#4
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08-13-2007, 02:19 AM	#9
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08-13-2007, 05:27 AM	#14
Matt_WildCash Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,699	Paul yep I bet majority took the $5.00 for a 3 Day membership I sure would. Surfers dont' want to convert to full unless you half force them. btw, I recommend taking that pricing code off, your losing money with that pricing option on your paysite. There are more profitable more appealing prices to use for your ex members than this no recurring option __________________ Try the New XMovies.com and make more $$$ with your Traffic

08-13-2007, 01:46 AM	#3
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	just getting a sig spot

08-13-2007, 01:56 AM	#5
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08-13-2007, 02:11 AM	#8
cashbot So Fucking Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 325	So Paul Markham comes out as teh spammer he is... I'm contacting spamhaus right now with a link to this thread

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08-13-2007, 04:53 AM	#13
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08-13-2007, 07:18 AM	#21
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08-13-2007, 07:53 AM	#23
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08-13-2007, 10:55 PM	#27
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08-13-2007, 11:40 PM	#30
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08-13-2007, 11:45 PM	#31
Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	Offering former members a trial makes no sense at all, they've already seen the members area.

08-13-2007, 11:50 PM	#32
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08-15-2007, 12:37 AM	#38
After Shock Media It's coming look busy Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn". Posts: 35,299	You should be mailing your former customers other peoples sites, and not your own. Well you can add your own in the mailer but stress several other sites in related niches. That is the proper way to use your past members email list. Not trying to sell them another trial to your site, odds are they already know about your site and if not you can kindly remind them and offer them a we miss you special price. One that costs more than a fucking trial though. __________________ [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

08-23-2007, 01:42 AM	#40
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	I just want to know how many members sent you emails complimenting your business sense and for offering them so many membership options. Everything else is moot.