kane

I have asked this question in most of the "9/11 truth" type threads and never seem to get an answer.

My question is: If our government was behind 9/11 who stood to gain from it and what did they stand to gain?

A lot people will say, "power" but to me that holds no water. Bush is already the most powerful man on the planet. You can't go up from the top.

Some say "money" Bush, his family and most of the white houses inner circle are already swimming in more cash than they could ever spend.

In the end what anyone in a high up powerful position stood to lose is far greater than anything they could gain. If what they did were discovered they would be shot and their family name would forever live in infamy. Every kid in America learns who Benedict Arnold was, anyone caught carrying out a 9/11 like plot would forever be remember by the people of this country as a villain.

ronaldo

The beauty of conspiracy theorists is they don't have to answer YOUR questions. You have to answer theirs.

I expect someone to enter soon with something along the lines of..."How do YOU explain...?" while completely ignoring your question.

GatorB

No amount of power and money is ever enough to satiate the corrupt.

CurrentlySober

Watch the second and thirsd parts of
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

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Phoenix

building 7 had to go down..it was the one that contained offices about to expose bush family involvement in SEC fraud....many many other bad things as well that were being investigated...it was all in there...and all about to come to light.

Bush's buddies get the contracts.
bush family gets money
bush family gets off of what would have been the end of the bush family


it goes on and on and on...mostly centers around bush though

not him...i think he is probably the most innocent in his family
look at his brothers and father...grand father...all scumbags

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kane

So if this is true, isn't the risk of what would happen if they were caught far out weigh what they could face from the SEC?

The Duck

It's part of a bigger scheme, world domination.

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directfiesta

I rarely post in conspiracy thread ...

But your statements are flawed:

- Before 9/11 , Bush had NO power...He was a lousy president, with no agenda ... His standing in polls were very low.
Let's not forget that he got in by the appointment of the courts....
9/11 got his approval rating over 90% ( that is a win ..). And from that point on, he became a "war president" ( how ironic from such a coward ...)

On the other hand, I have a lot of difficulty to believe that there are no videos of the Pentagon attack... An unknown bridge in a shit city in an unimportant state colapse, and within a few hours, videos from many angles pop-up ....
Weird, no?

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Phoenix

you can lay down and die.or you can die trying


whos going to prosecute them now?

all evidence..stored in multiple floors for safe keeping...is gone.

news anchors who question are fired..dan rather

all news footage changed to suit purpose

footage leaked to support Bush family only.


US attorney Gonzalez is the same judge who let the Bush family off of what would have ended them in the 80's....when his brother and father stole billions and billions...bankrupting whole banks in the savings and loan frauds...look it up RICO

it goes on and on...man i wish i could be as gangster as them...then i wouldnt be so bitter..with them doing it..id be shutting up and not saying anything...in case anyone looked at me..lol


and i think thats the attitude of anyone else with power to oppose them right now...shit..they did that....well we are gonna do this....sooner or later...figureheads and ideals change

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I believe that the government just let 9/11 happen. Not that they planned and carried the whole thing out by themselves. I am doubtful that Bush himself knew much of anything about it. Nobody will ever pin the plan to let it happen on any one person. That was the collective effort of several, and it's possible that they didn't even talk about it and were all just thinking on the same page.

What was gained? Take a look around. This current government (and I don't necessarily mean just Republicans) has America by the balls now. They have unprecedented powers that will never be given back to the people.

Phoenix

exactly...the biggest military building in the usa..has no better footage then some crappy 7/11 cam..lol

coverup...lol

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Phoenix

woodrow wilson started this bullshit

get rid of the federal reserve and cut the chains

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GatorB

The posible ultimate consequences didn't seem to stop the Watergate burglers.

GatorB

Kind of like Pearl Harbor. FDR wanted to get into the war but promised not too and the anti-war movement was huge. Letting Pearl Harbor happen allowed FDR get the US into WWII without breaking his promise and wiped out the anti-war movement overnight.

Ripshit

Ever heard of sheep herding the cattle?
What is a cattle dog good for?
Does he get that big juicy bone at the end of the day?
You Speak of power and fortune ever think its just the dog will hunt?

Rochard

And this has changed HOW?

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directfiesta

LOL..... you got a point there...

But let me quote ( liberally ) a phrase from your " commander in chief":

Bush: I have accumulated a lot of political capital, and I intend to spend it


Well, it seems he went overdraft ....

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Tempest

9/11 allowed them to come up with a reason to invade Iraq and topple Saddam which they wanted to do in order to install permanent bases in the middle east to protect the oil etc. so they could shift carrier groups to the pacific.

Spend some time reading what the Bush "crew" want to do... They wanted Saddam gone from Iraq before 9/11 even occured.
http://www.newamericancentury.org/

read this
http://www.newamericancentury.org/Re...asDefenses.pdf

Rochard

I don't believe FDR "let Pearl Harbor" happen.

The US Government knew that an attack can happen at "any time" at that point, and the US was already on a war footing. Sixty years later we look back and say "well, it was obvious that it would be at Pearl Harbor" because we all know what Pearl Harbor is. In 1941 no one knew where Hawaii was - It wasn't a US state, and was just one of a number of US territories that no one had heard of. (Hawaii became a US state in 1959.)

At that exact moment in 1941 the US had forces on The Phillipines, Wake Island, Cook Island, Jarvis Islands, and others. We knew that they "might attack", but if they did we had no idea where or when.

Likewise, we knew that these extremeists had plans to attack the US. Unless the US was able to lock down every airport, shopping center, embasy, port, and transportation hub because "we believe they might attack".... See my point? We know they "might be coming" but we have no idea where or where - or how.

And we still aren't prepared. We know they are coming, but we don't know where or when. They can hijack a truck filled with gas and ram into a crowded shopping center or tourist area and everyone will say "well, why didn't we prepare for this?"

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Rochard

Nice.

I honestly believe the US Government (and certainly Bush Jr) WANTED an excuse to invade Iraq, and establish a full time military base there. This is why there is no "exit plan" - We have no plans on leaving for the next forty years. We need a full time military base in the Middle east to "protect our interests there".

However, Bush Jr didn't need something like 9/11 to attack Iraq. We had a dozen valid reasons to invade Iraq to remove Saddam, starting with their trying to kill former President Bush to the fact that Iraq was shooting at US warplanes on a daily basis.

Bush wanted to invade and did it, but not because of 9/11.

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Tempest

He would have been hard pressed to convince the masses that they should invade.. 9/11 made it easy to pull the wool over everyones eyes.

Ripshit

Oh well guys I guess we cant change the spots on a zebra!

If you think 911 was real then you might as well believe in

DVTimes

See this thread

http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/762453-zeitgeistmovie-com.html

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The sad reality is that you can never be prepared... Terrorist attacks will happen "forever" until the people that want to attack are placated. With all they implemented, were the English ever able to stop any of the IRA terror attacks??? No... They dealt with it by placating the IRA.. Money and power...

With all the experience, tools etc. that England had from dealing with the IRA were they able to stop the last failed terror attack? No...

Terror attacks will never end because in order to "protect" the US interests in the middle east, it means doing things that create terrorists. If anything, what's happened will only make it worse.. Right now the "terrorists" are mostly focused on the middle east and fighting the millitary. Eventually they'll have an epiphany that it's a waste of manpower and resources and they'll send all those people around the world.. Then all hell will break out.

But that's just my opinion...

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People normally do things for money or influence... the US president(s) normally would have a fair amount of both as well as much of their inner circles...

It might have been that it was an issue of influence and perhaps not about money... The policing agencies and intelligence agencies would be able to trace large amounts of money and such would lead to people... so I do not think it was about money... Influence... perhaps just as far as knowing that something might happen as to prevent very possible occurrences... I'm referring to "imagine threats"... think CIA...

A possible situation could have been that the NSA and their counterparts could have gained foreign intelligence through either signal intelligence or through human intelligence network(s) and tried to stop the bad asses; they might have been over stretched as to prevent some of what was seen... this is a guess... Since the governments did have some part in 9/11 ... only as far as issues of national security... I'm sure there was just as much that was not seen being done by the good guys as there was misses... Also those who hold clearance are required to remain quiet about sensitive information... namely black ops and or trusted network(s) ...

It would be logical to say that no special ops offerers would want to land in federal prison for creating a massive whole in a national security grid... putting many lives in danger... If you were one of these types would you put those protecting others in danger ???


Just a guess ...

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nico-t

would bush be reelected if 9/11 never happened? I doubt it. And they would never have a far fetched reason to invade iraq - it doesnt have shit to do with eachother but the people were willing to accept any enemy for revenge. It was all VERY convenient.

Deej

im not backing up the theorists, nor am I denying them. but your whole statement is off. Bush is far from the most powerful man in the world, let alone US

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This actully turned out to be a very good read indeed.

I like the parts about Bush jr going to attack iraq, whatever.

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aico

1) it put us at War.

2) Wars cost money, lots of money.

3) The Federal Reserve makes the money, and LOANS it to the US Gov't with interest.

4) The Federal Reserve is run by very powerful people.

pocketkangaroo

Considering the first part of that movie is filled with huge innacuraccies, why should parts 2 and 3 be considered fact?

I just don't get why everyone trusts any video some kid posts on YouTube. Especially one posted by a guy who made up half the shit in his Jesus skit.

pocketkangaroo

The Federal Reserve rebates almost all interest paid back to the Treasury at the end of the year.

aico

Sorry couldn't stop laughing at that.

aico

Hmmm, so what are your sources for these "inaccuracies". I just don't get why everyone should believe you just because you posted it.

Pleasurepays

haha...
very true.

you might also add that any source cited as "proof" of anything is just "propaganda"... any view you have is the direct result of being "brainwasted" and if you don't read obscure blogs and bizarre and silly "news sites" then you are just not willing to "find the truth"

kane

I'm enjoying the thread. Interesting stuff in here.

TheDoc

World control of oil to later control the world eco. To create a war which is all about making money for yourself and friends. To force place the united states into massive dept. To start the movement of one north american dollar. To prove to the world they have us fooled.

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http://www.federalreserve.gov/boardd...pdf/tables.pdf

Read page 293-295. Clearly shows the re-payments of interest back to the treasury. The Federal Reserve finances are audited by federal agencies, private banks within the US and Internationally, and 3rd party auditers.

Here is how it is run:

http://www.federalreserve.gov/genera...faq/faqfrs.htm

The only argument that can be made is that they do take out "expenses" for the loans to the US. So they take that out of the interest they re-pay. It accounts for a small percent, but nowhere near the amount of the entire interest.

As for the conspiracy that this was just one big way to make the Federal Reserve rich, you might want to look elsewhere. The Reserve really doesn't own a lot of our debt (under 10%). So if you want to play conspiracy theory with loaning money to the US, go after a country like China that actually benefits more from this than our Treasury which just collects expenses on the money they loan us.

pocketkangaroo

I'm an Atheist so I don't really give a shit where Christianity pulled their shit from. But it wasn't from Horus and the Egyptians. Here is what I posted in another thread on this topic:

Lets start with Horus since he is the primary figure they relate to Jesus.

-He was not born of a virgin. His mother was Isis and father was Osiris.

-He was not born on the 25th of December, but instead on November 15.

-He was born in a swamp, not a cave. It also has no mention of a star in the east. There was also no mentiond of 3 wise men at the birth (it also doesn't mention in the bible that wise men attended the birth).

-He had four disciples, not 12. And 16 human followers. There is not one Egyptian scholar that can find any reference to the number 12 with him.

-There are no stories of him walking on water.

-He never taught in a temple and never got baptized.

-He was never crucified and thus never rose from the dead.

-The supposed conflict between him and Set being about a fight for day and night is total bullshit. Set was the desert god and night and day is explained by the eyes of Horus. He had one eye gouged out which represents the moon and the other which represents the Sun. While he did have epic battles with Set, they primarily explain the coming together of Upper and Lower Egypt and have nothing to do with a battle over night/day.

That's just on Horus alone. I'm not even getting into the other gods, zodiac stuff, and made up symbolism that was debunked hundreds of years ago. The religion stuff is pure crap and bullshit. If he lied about that stuff, why not lie about the rest of the movie?

As for sources, it's in virtually every history book in the world.

Shakula

Now, lets look from a logic standpoint.

Since when does steel melt at that temprature that the airplanes created?
Ive seen a few youtube videos where experts talk about this, they say it would lose about 30-40% of the normal strength. Even thoug the steel would lose its strenght to this point, it doesnt matter, it should still hold up.

Second, both the towers fell down without any resistance, each floor should have slowned down the actully fall of the tower. It didnt, it was like a ball falling down because of gravity.

Third, the towers had a steel core in the middle, you can see pictures about this on google, its impossible that they would fall down like it did. You couldnt even find pieces of em on the ground zero.

This is too advance information for most GFY´ers since most of you dont have any kind of college degree and some of you has a few shitty diplomas that you can buy from ebay for 10 dollar. So, call your local university and ask about this.

tony286

FDR knew :http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=408

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aico

I'll just start with your first one, took me 2 minutes.

The story goes as follows: Seth (brother of Osiris) was jealous of Osiris and fought him to the death. After he killed Osiris he cut his body up into 14 pieces and spread the pieces throughout Egypt. Isis (Osiris' wife) found out that her husband was killed and she searched egypt looking for his body parts. She found all but one (his penis) and using her magic she put his body together and buried him, during the process of putting him back together she became impregnated with her son Horus.

http://www.crystalinks.com/horus.html


and

As Harsiesis, he is "Horus, the son of Isis". Horus was conceived magically by Isis following the murder of his father, Osiris.

http://www.egyptianmyths.net/horus.htm


I won't bother with the rest, because if you are wrong on the first one, odds are you are talking out your ass on the rest as well.

Rochard

I highly doubt that he would have been re-elected if it wasn't for 9/11. No matter who was in office at that moment, the entire country stood behind the Oval Office.

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Let's just say that there was no fire. No fire at all. The planes smashed into the buildings at full force, at speed. It took out several floors of support on one side, as well as the middle. No one is sure what other damage the impacts had. This in itself is more than enough to take the buildings down.

Don't give me that "screen mesh" argument, comparing the world trade structure to my screen door. Yes, I can poke a hole in my screen door and it will not fall on itself. This is because the screen itself isn't supported by the screen above it; The entire screen is being held at the top by the top of the screen door.

If you take away 25% of any buildings support, there is a damn good chance it's gonna fall. Now factor in that this was a few thousand feet up in the air and the building is in constant movement (Have you ever been up in the WTC?).

Seems to me the building fell... just like any other building when it falls in on itself.

Yes, the towers had a steel core in the middle. But don't make it sound like this was solid steel thirty feet thick. Inside of this "steel core" was a large number of elevators - multiple large tall empty cores.

In fact, the moment the airplanes hit huge fireballs were sent down these elevator shafts and into the main lobbies.

I'm gonna answer this section in two parts.

A) I have two college degrees, one from a very large university in California.

B) Since your so damn fucking smart, pehaps you should learn proper English. Your above statement should read "advanced" (not "advance") and it's "10 dollars" or "$10" (not "10 dollar").

While I'm correcting your damn grammer, perhaps you can explain to me how "thoug" is a proper English word.

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aico

LMAO you're posting table from their website... no shit sherlock

Although the FED is required to give back most of its PROFITS back to the Treasury Dept., there is NO ORGANIZATION that has the power to AUDIT the FED (not even the Congress or the IRS)

Every year, a few Congressmen introduced a legislation to AUDIT the FED, and every year, the legislation is defeated.

StickyGreen

What about the billion dollar asbestos problem the WTC buildings had that needed to be dealt with? That could have also been a reason they let the attacks happen, along with wanting to gain support for going to war. Didn't Bush's brother run the company that was in charge of the WTC buildings' security? Maybe the Silversteins and Bush's are closer than people think?

The developer/leaseholder Larry Silverstein even admitted that they "pulled" building 7.

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aico

Engineers who built the towers have said it was built to withstand such impacts, several of them actually.

Find me a building that has fallen on itself without controlled demolition.

Jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel.

Dirty Dane

It didn't melt, but it was weakened.

split_joel

I honestly believe there is more to 9/11 then anyone knows and I believe that ethier the goverment knew and let it happen or did it themselfs but it does not matter. Even if there was direct evidence and real proff they would find a way to dismiss it. Think of it, if bush or his party was found guility of being involved with 911 the entire country would fall.

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aico

No, there was molten steel.

This thread continues to prove that people really don't have much knowledge of what really happened and the facts. Regardless if it's a "conspiracy" or not, at least take the time to know all the facts so you can form a more informed opinion.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=8X5F5PttzJY