NY Governor Wants to Tax Internet Porn

[Ethersync]

A state proposal to add a 4% tax for downloading movies and music will also apply to Internet porn.

Gov. Paterson recently suggested the so-called iPod tax to help close a $15 billion budget deficit, but few realized the levy would also apply to XXX-rated material.

Entire story here:
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/...its_clima.html

[TimBlaze]

fuck NY governor ill fight him any day dont sing it just bring it bitch

[camgirlshide]

he's just upset he can't see any internet porn

[tony286]

a porn tax is not a bad thing. they dont arrest what they tax and it ends all questions about porn not being an legitimate business.

[Rico Shades]

Originally Posted by camgirlshide

he's just upset he can't see any internet porn

That was low...but goddamn funny just the same.

[boneprone]

Tax the paysites as the tubes and torrents steal from them.

They can get fucked DP style in both holes that way.

[Ethersync]

Originally Posted by tony404

a porn tax is not a bad thing. they dont arrest what they tax and it ends all questions about porn not being an legitimate business.

They talk about that in the article actually:

Conservatives railed against the tax, but for a very different reason.

"By taxing it you're legitimizing it," said New York Conservative Party Chairman Michael Long, adding that government shouldn't profit from porn. "If you're taxing it - how can it be wrong? I don't know how you can sink much deeper."

State officials defended the proposed tax and said it has nothing to do with legitimizing porn.

"This is simply bringing the tax code in line with technology," said Matt Anderson, a spokesman for the state Division of the Budget.

"Regardless of whether or not an item is purchased at a brick-and-mortar store or online, it would be treated consistently."

[boneprone]

There is no way he would be able to enforce anything like this.

The blind negro is just trying to make himself look important. He should try to make world peace next.

[Jim_Gunn]

Originally Posted by tony404

a porn tax is not a bad thing. they dont arrest what they tax and it ends all questions about porn not being an legitimate business.

This will never happen, especially just in one state. But your point is mistaken Tony. They already tax every company's porn revenue just like any other business revenue and they can still throw your ass in jail for obscenity if they happen to target you. An extra tax is not any kind of special protection.

[TyroneGoldberg]

Originally Posted by camgirlshide

he's just upset he can't see any internet porn

[Rico Shades]

Originally Posted by Ethersync

Entire story here:
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/...its_clima.html

I think these politicians are looking at this all wrong. They wouldn't have to tax legal downloads if they would simply block/ban tube sites and piracy. The tax base is not being lost to legal download venues like I-Tunes and some of the other VOD theatres. The tax base is being lost to the damning ripple effect of piracy and tubes. When content is "shared" (i.e. stolen) then revenues dive for the producer, who then either shoots fewer scenes (stop calling me for work chick), ships less product to distributors (which means their $/tax requirements drop too), cuts rates for talent (not only am I shooting you fewer times, but I'm now paying you less too), stops using locations and stops using makeup artist. Oh yes. Piracy throws a vicious monkey wrench in that money flow cycle.

What has happened? Producers, and the tentacles from that wheel, have diminished revenues, so in turn the government's taxes will diminish too (I know some don't pay them, but you get the idea). And frankly, if reductions don't right the ship, then the layoffs begin, which could ultimately lead to closure in some cases. So again, the government needs to look at eliminating piracy as not helping porners, but rather protecting its tax base. At least that excuse will go over with the voting church folks. Does it balance the budget? Of course not. Does it help? Damn right. Demand is not down. That's bullshit. The availability of "free" is up. That's the problem. I bet they would love to have the tax revenue from Tower Records (remember them?), all of the Tower employees who got pink slips when they closed (which was due to piracy) and from the record companies tax base before piracy became so widespread. Hope porn doesn't follow that path.

[lofasz]

And go after all the scum bags on Wall Street and large banks that FUCKED all of America.

correction "He should"

[lofasz]

Originally Posted by Rico Shades

I think these politicians are looking at this all wrong. They wouldn't have to tax legal downloads if they would simply block/ban tube sites and piracy. The tax base is not being lost to legal download venues like I-Tunes and some of the other VOD theatres. The tax base is being lost to the damning ripple effect of piracy and tubes. When content is "shared" (i.e. stolen) then revenues dive for the producer, who then either shoots fewer scenes (stop calling me for work chick), ships less product to distributors (which means their $/tax requirements drop too), cuts rates for talent (not only am I shooting you fewer times, but I'm now paying you less too), stops using locations and stops using makeup artist. Oh yes. Piracy throws a vicious monkey wrench in that money flow cycle.

What has happened? Producers, and the tentacles from that wheel, have diminished revenues, so in turn the government's taxes will diminish too (I know some don't pay them, but you get the idea). And frankly, if reductions don't right the ship, then the layoffs begin, which could ultimately lead to closure in some cases. So again, the government needs to look at eliminating piracy as not helping porners, but rather protecting its tax base. At least that excuse will go over with the voting church folks. Does it balance the budget? Of course not. Does it help? Damn right. Demand is not down. That's bullshit. The availability of "free" is up. That's the problem. I bet they would love to have the tax revenue from Tower Records (remember them?), all of the Tower employees who got pink slips when they closed (which was due to piracy) and from the record companies tax base before piracy became so widespread. Hope porn doesn't follow that path.

Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Piracy does not seem to have hurt iTunes and Apple too much. In fact their share of the digital music distribution market has grown. It's not just about content, it's about branding service, availability, and ease of use, which are just as important as content.

Free is over if you do for adult entertainment what Apple did for music. Quite frankly it would be a huge benefit to the industry if some of the people that just wanted to make a quick buck in adult entertainment were to realize that it's not such a quick buck and move on to something else. Reasonably taxing downloads and other forms of digital distribution would actually help separate the men from boys.

I'm no big fan of funding corrupt politicians, but I'm less of a fan of dorks who slap a g-string on some 2 bit skank, fuck her on film, and think they're Larry Flynt.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

This will never happen, especially just in one state. But your point is mistaken Tony. They already tax every company's porn revenue just like any other business revenue and they can still throw your ass in jail for obscenity if they happen to target you. An extra tax is not any kind of special protection.

I think you are wrong. if there was a fed porn tax that would stop and there would be a clear law of what you could and couldnt do. They are not going to arrest revenue. Name something they tax and still put people in jail for.

[Jim_Gunn]

Originally Posted by tony404

I think you are wrong. if there was a fed porn tax that would stop and there would be a clear law of what you could and couldnt do. They are not going to arrest revenue. Name something they tax and still put people in jail for.

Porn, as it is now is taxed just like any other business and they put people in jail for it sometimes. Even if they added a special "sin tax" for porn that does not mean they couldn't simultaneously prosecute selective individuals that they deemed were stepping over the vague and amorphous line that is obscenity. You assume that the porn tax has to come along with a governmental stamp of approval. That is not necessarily true.

PS- Many US state governments requires drug dealers to pay a marijuana stamp tax for their narcotics trafficking businesses, yet that does not prevent the same states from prosecuting drug dealers. (http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=6670). They don't really expect a narcotics trafficker to pay, they just use it as another tool to throw the book at the dealers when they catch them.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

Porn, as it is now is taxed just like any other business and they put people in jail for it sometimes. Even if they added a special "sin tax" for porn that does not mean they couldn't simultaneously prosecute selective individuals that they deemed were stepping over the vague and amorphous line that is obscenity. You assume that the porn tax has to come along with a governmental stamp of approval. That is not necessarily true.

PS- Many US state governments requires drug dealers to pay a marijuana stamp tax for their narcotics trafficking businesses, yet that does not prevent the same states from prosecuting drug dealers. (http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=6670). They don't really expect a narcotics trafficker to pay, they just use it as another tool to throw the book at the dealers when they catch them.

I knew about the marijuana tax but that's not the same thing it was a tool to arrest but if porn actually had a sin tax they actually collected I still think they wont go after it. Its a special tax that means the community accepts it as a lawful enterprise and it takes alot of the gray away. Like I said before tell me an actual thing they tax thats not a trap and then they put people in jail for it? There are none.

[Jim_Gunn]

Originally Posted by tony404

I knew about the marijuana tax but that's not the same thing it was a tool to arrest but if porn actually had a sin tax they actually collected I still think they wont go after it. Its a special tax that means the community accepts it as a lawful enterprise and it takes alot of the gray away. Like I said before tell me an actual thing they tax thats not a trap and then they put people in jail for it? There are none.

I already named two- porn and and marijuana.

[Sly]

That guy is going to tax farts next. Good God.

[fallenmuffin]

Short term is seems like a bad idea. Long term it would make adult legit in the world and open a whole new door.

[LiveDose]

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

This will never happen, especially just in one state. But your point is mistaken Tony. They already tax every company's porn revenue just like any other business revenue and they can still throw your ass in jail for obscenity if they happen to target you. An extra tax is not any kind of special protection.

That's what I was thinking. The porn game is in no way a tax free zone...

[GregE]

Originally Posted by boneprone

Tax the paysites as the tubes and torrents steal from them.

They can get fucked DP style in both holes that way.

That's exactly the way it would go down too

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

I already named two- porn and and marijuana.

marijuana wasnt a real tax,it was another reason to arrest someone.Porn doesnt have a special tax currently. Im speaking one that is collected as we speak.Where they are actually getting revenue.

[kane]

Originally Posted by lofasz

Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Piracy does not seem to have hurt iTunes and Apple too much. In fact their share of the digital music distribution market has grown. It's not just about content, it's about branding service, availability, and ease of use, which are just as important as content.

Free is over if you do for adult entertainment what Apple did for music. Quite frankly it would be a huge benefit to the industry if some of the people that just wanted to make a quick buck in adult entertainment were to realize that it's not such a quick buck and move on to something else. Reasonably taxing downloads and other forms of digital distribution would actually help separate the men from boys.

I'm no big fan of funding corrupt politicians, but I'm less of a fan of dorks who slap a g-string on some 2 bit skank, fuck her on film, and think they're Larry Flynt.

There is no way to know how much Piracy has hurt itunes. Sure, they are doing well, but if there were no torrent sites and no way to download illegally how much better might they be doing?

[D Ghost]

wow, figs

[pornguy]

Tax booz and cigarettes thats easier.

[geedub]

Originally Posted by tony404

Name something they tax and still put people in jail for.

marijuana

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

I already named two- porn and and marijuana.

[Mr Pheer]

how would they expect to collect the tax?

I'm not a resident of new york, and I wont collect a tax from my surfers for the state of new york either. And there is nothing they can do to make me do it.

Fuck the NY governor.

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by tony404

a porn tax is not a bad thing. they dont arrest what they tax and it ends all questions about porn not being an legitimate business.

I would read up on the machine gun tax.

[robfantasy]

BAD BAD BAD

this is a way to ease taxation of all internet transactions!!

REVOLT

[HomerSimpson]

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

how would they expect to collect the tax?

I'm not a resident of new york, and I wont collect a tax from my surfers for the state of new york either. And there is nothing they can do to make me do it.

Fuck the NY governor.

the same thing beats me...
who would they tax users or site owners?

who and how can tax users?
how many site owners (copanies) will stay in NY after the taxation?

[woj]

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

how would they expect to collect the tax?

I'm not a resident of new york, and I wont collect a tax from my surfers for the state of new york either. And there is nothing they can do to make me do it.

Fuck the NY governor.

Doesn't sound terribly hard for all the processors to tag on 4% tax to all sales made to NY residents...

[DebsDeep]

Well I am in NY, if they do somehow manage to pass this I will be selling everything porn I own. Screw that. How would one site be able to compete! And i refuse to move!!

[Ethersync]

Originally Posted by woj

Doesn't sound terribly hard for all the processors to tag on 4% tax to all sales made to NY residents...

I do not think the processors will do that. It will up to the site owners to track/calculate taxes and make payments to the state.

[Agent 488]

the government and states are broke - that is the elephant in the room - they are going to try and tax everything but will lead to riots and non-compliance -

trust in god and keep your powder dry.

[ADL Colin]

What's porn? Never heard of that. We sell digital "art".

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by tony404

a porn tax is not a bad thing. they dont arrest what they tax and it ends all questions about porn not being an legitimate business.

Interesting point.

It seems every now and then a state will try to do this and it won't happen. It's called Freedom of speech, and you can't put any additional restrictions on freedom of speech.

[GregE]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Interesting point.

It seems every now and then a state will try to do this and it won't happen. It's called Freedom of speech, and you can't put any additional restrictions on freedom of speech.

Precisely.

[DaddyHalbucks]

So, let me get this straight: you guys are all opposed to the ridiculous spending on social programs which necessitated this?

If so, I expect you to vote Republican next time.

[tranza]

Bullshit

[baddog]

Originally Posted by camgirlshide

he's just upset he can't see any internet porn

Precisely.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by tony404

a porn tax is not a bad thing. they dont arrest what they tax and it ends all questions about porn not being an legitimate business.

Two things tony...we all already pay too much taxes. If I added up state, federal, county, property and sales tax over the last few years it comes up to over 50% of what I made. It's bullshit.

And secondly..."they don't arrest what they tax" is just not true. Back in S.C. video poker machines were legal state-wide. Multi billion dollar business that brought in tourists from everywhere to that little shit hole state (thank God I moved from there in Oct.)

Then, a few years ago...the state supreme court decided that gambling was against the state constitution. (and no, don't ask me how being free to do what you want is against a state's constitution) Within a week, police were busting all the big video poker "casinos" all over the state. An entire industry went down in the blink of an eye. People were out of work, many big guys were bankrupted and ruined.

And the state was making tons of money off the taxes on gambling. Didn't matter one bit.

Never underestimate the sheer arrogance and stupidity of govt. And don't ever wish for more taxes. Please. lol

[kane]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

So, let me get this straight: you guys are all opposed to the ridiculous spending on social programs which necessitated this?

If so, I expect you to vote Republican next time.

This is a joke right?

I'm not a economist, but it seems for the last 8 years we have had a republican in the white house and for 6 of those 8 years the republicans also controlled the house and senate. If I'm not mistaken they ran up the largest debt in the history of this country.

I'm not saying democrats would/will spend less, but please to say that modern republicans are any less of a spender than democrats is pretty ridiculous.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by kane

This is a joke right?

I'm not a economist, but it seems for the last 8 years we have had a republican in the white house and for 6 of those 8 years the republicans also controlled the house and senate. If I'm not mistaken they ran up the largest debt in the history of this country.

I'm not saying democrats would/will spend less, but please to say that modern republicans are any less of a spender than democrats is pretty ridiculous.

That is a separate argument, and a fair one. This issue, however, is about the New York budgetary issues and not the federal budgetary issues. New York is pretty Democrat. New York has had a Democratic governor every year since 1982 aside from 2005-2006. The state legislator has been split pretty evenly though.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Sly

That is a separate argument, and a fair one. This issue, however, is about the New York budgetary issues and not the federal budgetary issues. New York is pretty Democrat. New York has had a Democratic governor every year since 1982 aside from 2005-2006. The state legislator has been split pretty evenly though.

Ah. I was unaware of that. I knew they were a pretty blue state when it came to federal elections, but I didn't know that they were that democratic.

[HandballJim]

The governor is a dick head...and will not be reelected. It was a big joke that he even got into office, the guy before him was fucking an Escort.

We should just tax the fuck out of all the arrogant rich bastards that had a hand in getting us into this big mess.

I am hoping that people do not get a free ride from the bailout to help pay their mortgages...because if you work at pathmark as a cashier there is no fucking way you should own a home anyway. Things have gotten way out of hand in this country for years, we held a big sign for the world to see that we give you free money. Of course people are going to come here and take advantage of every social service that they can. Then when someone who has paid taxes in this country for years...gets turned down.