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baddog · 09-06-2007, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by esnem

Is any of your content being stolen on Red Tube?

Are you a content producer?

Of course not. He is just stirring up shit. It is his M.O.

Ripshit · 09-06-2007, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by esnem

Is any of your content being stolen on Red Tube?

Are you a content producer?

Yes and Yes.

Ripshit · 09-06-2007, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Of course not. He is just stirring up shit. It is his M.O.

You think I start threads to stir things up well your opinion your entitled ,but remember at least I dont shit where I live

baddog · 09-06-2007, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Ripshit

Yes and Yes.

You are a content producer? Why am I having trouble accepting that?

Ripshit · 09-06-2007, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

You are a content producer? Why am I having trouble accepting that?

I have no Idea maybe because Im not in your little click of bros?
Try to see past your little world man

After Shock Media · 09-06-2007, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ripshit

Yes and Yes.

Then do what they said and send a DMCA to them.

Whenever I send out my DMCA notices (in proper format) they always go to the site owner, the host, and the billing company and or sponsors on any given page. So far aside from a few hosts CCbill has been the quickest to respond and ensure my content gets removed and or halts their billing. Last time I had to do a repeat DMCA on one site it was not even being billed by ccbill anymore but by one of those smaller rarely used billers.

Ripshit · 09-06-2007, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Then do what they said and send a DMCA to them.

Whenever I send out my DMCA notices (in proper format) they always go to the site owner, the host, and the billing company and or sponsors on any given page. So far aside from a few hosts CCbill has been the quickest to respond and ensure my content gets removed and or halts their billing. Last time I had to do a repeat DMCA on one site it was not even being billed by ccbill anymore but by one of those smaller rarely used billers.

I have done that already,and this may have solved my problem but I think it certainly does not solve the issue of companies like CCBill not caring until someone bitches about it!
This is the problem they should care from th get go not after the fact!

sextoyking · 09-06-2007, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ripshit

I have done that already,and this may have solved my problem but I think it certainly does not solve the issue of companies like CCBill not caring until someone bitches about it!
This is the problem they should care from th get go not after the fact!

Oh Jesus - get a grip please.

You were told how to respond to this - I am sure after you respond - they will take appr. action.

It's like a large ISP (hosting) - they can't monitor tens of thousands of sites they host all the time. They post there policies and if someone violates there policies and or someone complains they will take action. CCbill can check a site at first - but who's to say that site admin / owner doesn't change stuff / content later on.

Give them a break. They have been around for yrs and yrs and run a good solid company. I don't process with them but know Ron and some others from there.

CCbill and Epoch have kept our industry living pretty much over the years, in the good times and the bad times.....

Content Theft SUCKS! - but give a company a chance to rectify the situation.

Peace

Todd

pocketkangaroo · 09-06-2007, 02:10 PM

I thought this thread was going to involve them in the conspiracy of 9/11.

JMM · 09-06-2007, 02:22 PM

Let me see if I can clearly explain why a company like CCBill cannot act until they are notified.

The DMCA provides service providers a safe harbor from liability IF they act expeditiously when notified of infringement (A DMCA letter).

Failure to act when properly notifed exposes a company like CCBill to the same liability as the direct infringer.

Now, here is the problem:

CCBill processes for tens of thousands of sites, some of which I am certain deal in stolen content.

If CCBill were to cease processing on sites that they THINK, or BELIEVE are dealing in stolen content WITHOUT being notified by the rights holder, they would then assume the liability for ALL sites that they process for.

So in otherwords, site A, B, and C are all dealing in stolen content. CCBill, acting on a hunch, or a belief, cancels processing for sites A and B (without ever receiving a DMCA notice from the rights holder of the content).

They miss site C, also dealing in stolen content, and continue processing.

They have now assumed the liability for the infringing activity of site C.

The argument would be made, hey..you nixed A and B, but you continued to process for C. You believed that A and B were dealing in stolen content, well you should have believed site C was also.

Pay up.

That is why the DMCA notice was provided for in the DMCA. That is why companies like CCBill, eBay, etc CANNOT act in advance without proper notification, but MUST and do act upon proper notification.

It is all about liability.

Hope that clears things up.

Ripshit · 09-06-2007, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JMM

Let me see if I can clearly explain why a company like CCBill cannot act until they are notified.

The DMCA provides service providers a safe harbor from liability IF they act expeditiously when notified of infringement (A DMCA letter).

Failure to act when properly notifed exposes a company like CCBill to the same liability as the direct infringer.

Now, here is the problem:

CCBill processes for tens of thousands of sites, some of which I am certain deal in stolen content.

If CCBill were to cease processing on sites that they THINK, or BELIEVE are dealing in stolen content WITHOUT being notified by the rights holder, they would then assume the liability for ALL sites that they process for.

So in otherwords, site A, B, and C are all dealing in stolen content. CCBill, acting on a hunch, or a belief, cancels processing for sites A and B (without ever receiving a DMCA notice from the rights holder of the content).

They miss site C, also dealing in stolen content, and continue processing.

They have now assumed the liability for the infringing activity of site C.

The argument would be made, hey..you nixed A and B, but you continued to process for C. You believed that A and B were dealing in stolen content, well you should have believed site C was also.

Pay up.

That is why the DMCA notice was provided for in the DMCA. That is why companies like CCBill, eBay, etc CANNOT act in advance without proper notification, but MUST and do act upon proper notification.

It is all about liability.

Hope that clears things up.

So basically your saying that they are incompetent in their lil CCBill business ,and dont give a fuck till someone bitches which is what I am trying to clearly point out here over and over to you people!

I understand their policy,and Corvette clearly stated that his team is
incompetent,and basically they dont give a fuck.

Thanks for summing it all up for us

Ripshit · 09-06-2007, 03:00 PM

Hey Ass kissers of CCBill

JMM · 09-06-2007, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ripshit

So basically your saying that they are incompetent in their lil CCBill business ,and dont give a fuck till someone bitches which is what I am trying to clearly point out here over and over to you people!

I understand their policy,and Corvette clearly stated that his team is
incompetent,and basically they dont give a fuck.

Thanks for summing it all up for us

No, that isn't what I said. Did you even read what I wrote or are you just hear to bash ccbill?

Brad Mitchell · 09-06-2007, 03:22 PM

This industry should thank god every day CCBill and Epoch are open for business, really.

This is just another board troll who doesn't want to stop and listen to business logic and business reality. He's got it out for CCBill no different than SwampThing had it out for me a month ago. He can keep posting but the more he posts the less credibility he has, not that he started with any to begin with.

There is a process in place for complaints and if you're not going to slow down and identify yourself and report complaints properly as you have been invited to then just simply shut the fuck up.

OR, if you really want to address the issue spend about 10 more minutes googling things and point out the same scenario and examples for every other processor out there and then just go on a you hate the world campaign and tell us how every third party processor is out there to fuck the webmaster.

And give me a break on Verotel, I'd echo ModF's comment that they used to do a bang up job processing for all the dog, pig, cow, horse and snake fucking long after every American 3rd party processor stopped.

Brad

Ripshit · 09-06-2007, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

This industry should thank god every day CCBill and Epoch are open for business, really.

This is just another board troll who doesn't want to stop and listen to business logic and business reality. He's got it out for CCBill

Wrong I do not have it out for CCBill at all they stated clearley once again that the dont give a fuck until someone bitches!

Case and point!!!!

MeganS · 09-06-2007, 04:08 PM

http://www.redtube.com/367

I know for sure this is new sensations stuff and they DO NOT license.
Nor do they give 12 minutes clips for promo reasons .. especially not watermarked =)

xoxo,
Megan

MeganS · 09-06-2007, 04:12 PM

Ohh and naughty america dos not give out 25 minute scenes i am sure ...

http://www.redtube.com/343

xoxo,
Megan

Ripshit · 09-06-2007, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SWorldMegan

http://www.redtube.com/367

I know for sure this is new sensations stuff and they DO NOT license.
Nor do they give 12 minutes clips for promo reasons .. especially not watermarked =)

xoxo,
Megan

Of course it is and at least all of the shit up on that site is ripped off but who cares?

Certainly no one anymore its all about the bros now and it seems they are all living out of each others pockets now

Hey maybe they will buy them a Camera!!!!

Varius · 09-06-2007, 04:39 PM

Professional companies like CCBill don't just terminate clients on assumptions. They have contracts and such, you know. What would a client think i they got shut off wrongly because someone didn't know they license content legally (not saying that's the case with redtube as it's obviously not).

Mark clearly stated what you have to send to them, it's not much. Simply send it in (or have the content's owner do it) and get the site terminated in a prompt and professional manner.

Right now, you are bitching for the sake of bitching IMO

halfpint · 09-06-2007, 04:43 PM

Why dont you talk to A1R3K about this Ripshit as you are a content producer, Then maybe you can sort this all out

PainThing · 09-06-2007, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Due

Actually a billing provider is not requirred to check your licenses to see your content is licensed, but they are requirred to revoke your billing option if actions is not followed from a DMCA notice. They are however if they are based in USA, requirred to check that there is valid 2257 links on sites they do billing for, again a valid 2257 link does not actually mean that you hold the license for the content. If y3ou steal content, why not steal 2257 docs too?
Unlicensed content does not actually mean stolen content, it could be a human mistake, just as a DMCA could also be send out by a mistake as well.
An example could be someone working with a portfolio of companies for different business areas, and by mistake take content licensed to company A and use for combany B, ofcourse this is not licensed, but this could be a honest mistake by the business manager that run both company A and company B.
Would you feel good if I spend example $10K on content in your shop buying content for a company, and by a mistake put up lets say 2 sets on a site owned by another company I run, the result could be you DMCA ccbill that pull billing, after that you discover I bought a shitload of content from you, and you killed one of my online business rather getting me a "warning" to clean up my shit. And in case the above scenario happend, do you think you would have a repeat customer from me?
I'm not saying that this is something I speculate in, but I do hold a lot of licenses for various content, and also content licensed to different companies, so it COULD in theory happend, I do belive I have multiple of your sets too

excellent , thought out reply...guess you been put in that position too huh..
-

Feels like shit when you pay a guy
$k`S FOR CONTENT AND A YEAR LATER You Get --- I`ll see you in court routine.

Rochard · 09-06-2007, 05:24 PM

Great - So the rules of the industry have changed.

All programs, credit card processig companies, hosting companies, design companies, and pretty much everyone in the business must verify that all and any content another company they do business with has the legal rights to use said content.

The industry would grind to a halt in seconds.

This is a bullshit thread.

Ripshit · 09-07-2007, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Great - So the rules of the industry have changed.

All programs, credit card processig companies, hosting companies, design companies, and pretty much everyone in the business must verify that all and any content another company they do business with has the legal rights to use said content.

The industry would grind to a halt in seconds.

This is a bullshit thread.

Think about what you have just stated in lesser words for a sec......

The industry is out of control,and corrupt!

Sad to say your right seems people have enough problems getting the proper 2257 docs why would I think that there is an once of honesty anywhere in this industry?

Which brings me to another point here where is any of the thousands of 2257 links to on that fuckin site for any of the content?

OG LennyT · 09-07-2007, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

This is a bullshit thread.

exactly.

Ripshitter sounds like a fucking 13 yr old kid

xxxice · 09-07-2007, 11:13 AM

Bump ...

2012 · 09-07-2007, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by OG LennyT

exactly.

Ripshitter sounds like a fucking 13 yr old kid

its fucking horse shit man !

Marshal · 09-07-2007, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Tanker

depends on what redtube.com was when they signed up for processing

check this out:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.redtube.com

someone could find this very interesting!

Huggles · 09-07-2007, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by corvette

ripshit, if your content is on there without your permission, icq me and together we will get it off or the site down and if this is anything other than a one time occurrence, that client will be shut off and will never processing with ccbill again. Just need to be sure that there is content on the site that they dont have permission to use. Ill hold your hand through the entire process.

45471840

THAT ENTIRE FUCKING SITE IS BASICALLY ALL FUCKING STOLEN FUCKING CONTENT!

Huggles · 09-07-2007, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Great - So the rules of the industry have changed.

All programs, credit card processig companies, hosting companies, design companies, and pretty much everyone in the business must verify that all and any content another company they do business with has the legal rights to use said content.

The industry would grind to a halt in seconds.

This is a bullshit thread.

I am going to download a TON of Cherry pimps content and seed it on torrents right now.

You can't stop me.

Huggles · 09-07-2007, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Of course not. He is just stirring up shit. It is his M.O.

Hehe, I'm thinking of opening a tube site, downloading a TON of sponsor content full episodes, and then charging 10/month for access to it.

Would the ONLY people to have the "right" to complain about the theft be the content rights owners?

If at the movie post dinner, if I had walked to your table and stolen your digital camera, would only you have the right to say that's wrong?

Biggy · 09-07-2007, 03:30 PM

HMM.. a quick search and boom -a melissamidwest video:

http://www.redtube.com/?search=melissa+midwest

if anyone sees any fuckyoucash content on there, please feel free to post it in this thread so I can shoot CCBILL over multiple DMCAs. CCBILL - you will receive one by Monday regarding this MelissaMidwest video.

Fletch XXX · 09-07-2007, 03:31 PM

that site has a lot of content

Biggy · 09-07-2007, 03:33 PM

If anyone from TCG is here, here's a quick video for you to DMCA:

http://www.redtube.com/4729

I mean, its pretty clear to me this site is set up as a haven for piracy. DMCA is flawed because it puts the burden on me. Why should I have to monitor people stealing from me? If anyone from CCBILL is reading, I assure you big program owners see this. I know because before this thread, I had this exact conversation with a program owner doing over 1000 joins a day - he was the one who came to me and showed me your billing page on redtube. You guys should really be more pro-active about this.

RogerV · 09-07-2007, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ripshit

Think about what you have just stated in lesser words for a sec......

The industry is out of control,and corrupt!

Sad to say your right seems people have enough problems getting the proper 2257 docs why would I think that there is an once of honesty anywhere in this industry?

Which brings me to another point here where is any of the thousands of 2257 links to on that fuckin site for any of the content?

Ccbill has to follow procedure its business.

If you think they should do something else about it why don?t you also do it yourself?
Maybe start a board so content providers and sites can get updates on the content that is being stolen from them so they can DMCA the site stealing it...
Don?t complain about what other are doing. Try taking your own measures if you feel so strongly about it.

Until then you are just another troll on gfy without a sig.

Everyone talks the talk which is easy

09-06-2007, 03:22 PM	#64
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,811	This industry should thank god every day CCBill and Epoch are open for business, really. This is just another board troll who doesn't want to stop and listen to business logic and business reality. He's got it out for CCBill no different than SwampThing had it out for me a month ago. He can keep posting but the more he posts the less credibility he has, not that he started with any to begin with. There is a process in place for complaints and if you're not going to slow down and identify yourself and report complaints properly as you have been invited to then just simply shut the fuck up. OR, if you really want to address the issue spend about 10 more minutes googling things and point out the same scenario and examples for every other processor out there and then just go on a you hate the world campaign and tell us how every third party processor is out there to fuck the webmaster. And give me a break on Verotel, I'd echo ModF's comment that they used to do a bang up job processing for all the dog, pig, cow, horse and snake fucking long after every American 3rd party processor stopped. Brad __________________ President at MojoHost \| brad at mojohost dot com \| Skype MojoHostBrad 71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

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09-06-2007, 04:39 PM	#69
Varius Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: New York, NY Posts: 6,890	Professional companies like CCBill don't just terminate clients on assumptions. They have contracts and such, you know. What would a client think i they got shut off wrongly because someone didn't know they license content legally (not saying that's the case with redtube as it's obviously not). Mark clearly stated what you have to send to them, it's not much. Simply send it in (or have the content's owner do it) and get the site terminated in a prompt and professional manner. Right now, you are bitching for the sake of bitching IMO __________________ Skype variuscr - Email varius AT gmail

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09-06-2007, 02:10 PM	#59
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09-06-2007, 02:22 PM	#60
JMM Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,755	Let me see if I can clearly explain why a company like CCBill cannot act until they are notified. The DMCA provides service providers a safe harbor from liability IF they act expeditiously when notified of infringement (A DMCA letter). Failure to act when properly notifed exposes a company like CCBill to the same liability as the direct infringer. Now, here is the problem: CCBill processes for tens of thousands of sites, some of which I am certain deal in stolen content. If CCBill were to cease processing on sites that they THINK, or BELIEVE are dealing in stolen content WITHOUT being notified by the rights holder, they would then assume the liability for ALL sites that they process for. So in otherwords, site A, B, and C are all dealing in stolen content. CCBill, acting on a hunch, or a belief, cancels processing for sites A and B (without ever receiving a DMCA notice from the rights holder of the content). They miss site C, also dealing in stolen content, and continue processing. They have now assumed the liability for the infringing activity of site C. The argument would be made, hey..you nixed A and B, but you continued to process for C. You believed that A and B were dealing in stolen content, well you should have believed site C was also. Pay up. That is why the DMCA notice was provided for in the DMCA. That is why companies like CCBill, eBay, etc CANNOT act in advance without proper notification, but MUST and do act upon proper notification. It is all about liability. Hope that clears things up.

09-06-2007, 03:00 PM	#62
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09-06-2007, 05:24 PM	#72
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09-07-2007, 11:13 AM	#75
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09-07-2007, 03:30 PM	#81
Biggy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 1,595	HMM.. a quick search and boom -a melissamidwest video: http://www.redtube.com/?search=melissa+midwest if anyone sees any fuckyoucash content on there, please feel free to post it in this thread so I can shoot CCBILL over multiple DMCAs. CCBILL - you will receive one by Monday regarding this MelissaMidwest video.

09-07-2007, 03:31 PM	#82
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09-07-2007, 03:33 PM	#83
Biggy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 1,595	If anyone from TCG is here, here's a quick video for you to DMCA: http://www.redtube.com/4729 I mean, its pretty clear to me this site is set up as a haven for piracy. DMCA is flawed because it puts the burden on me. Why should I have to monitor people stealing from me? If anyone from CCBILL is reading, I assure you big program owners see this. I know because before this thread, I had this exact conversation with a program owner doing over 1000 joins a day - he was the one who came to me and showed me your billing page on redtube. You guys should really be more pro-active about this.