Here's What's Wrong With The FSC. Truth Time.

[BoyAlley]

I'm in the mood to bitch. So here it is. I'm gonna turn off the yellow so you don't all go blind.

Edit: This ended up being really long don't bother reading it.

Ok, I've raised over $14,000 for the FSC in the past, because I believed in its stated mission, and because quite frankly it's the only organization that this industry has.

However, it's a clusterfuck. I thought for a while that was due to the changing of executive directors, but now that the new one's been in place for a while, it's still a cluster fuck.

1. Where's all the money going? How much has been raise? What's the yearly budget? How many members are there? How much are attorneys charging us to fight 2257? How much has been spent on 2257 altogether so far?

It apparently refuses to release financials, or at least I've never spoken to anyone that's seen them. Why? I'll tell you some possible explanations I've heard. According to at least one employee, they've had serious money problems and they don't want anyone to know about it. I heard some time ago from one of them that things were so bad, that they were dipping into payroll funds to put toward the 2257 fight and employees weren't even sure if they were still going to have jobs or not.

I suspect the other reason why is that we'd all blow a goat if we knew exactly how much money some of these attorneys have banked so far.

I have no idea what I've heard is fact and what isn't. That, to me, says more about the lack of information flowing from the organization than anything else.

2. They suck shitty ass at communicating with their members. Hell, even I, who has raised a ton of cash for them, can't even manage to get a ballot sent to me come "election time", and despite the fact that I've updated my name and address and phone number with them no fewer than 4 times, they STILL have it all wrong from a "data entry mix-up" they made over a year ago.

Their press releases are never timely, and there's never any follow through.
They suck at communicating on the boards (where 99% of their members get their industry new from), to the point where they're bragging that they made a total of 30 posts regarding 2257 since the new proposed regs took effect.

WOW THIRTY WHOLE POSTS JESUS CHRIST SON OF A WHORE THAT MUST HAVE BEEN A LOT OF WORK!

I can fart out more than 30 posts in 10 minutes that are of more substance.

3. Their membership "subscription levels" are gayer than I am and are about as intuitive as performing cunnilingus.

4. I haven't even been able to pay my dues this year assuming I'm suppose to yet (because I have any idea when the hell they're even due), and my 3 separate emails to find out when they are due and how much I owe this year were of course ignored. Did the FSC outsource to Epassporte's Customer Service department?

5. They have a total lack of focus. They can apparently barely afford to keep the 2257 lawsuits going, and have not had any success with the fight, yet they're now starting to sing the battle hymn against piracy?

Get real.

This isn't like the RIAA or the MPAA where there are only a handful of studios that exist that can all come together to kick pirates' ass (and you see how unsuccessful even they've been). There are THOUSANDS of producers in this industry. If someone steals exclusive content from my little program is the FSC going to go running out to sue the thiefs into oblivion? I think not.

I'm willing to bet this entire initiative would be nothing but a way for a handful of huge dvd producers to save themselves a shitload in legal fees by having all of us pay for their anti-piracy efforts through the guise of an "FSC Initiative". I can smell that a mile a way.

blah I could keep going but I'm tired of typing.
I just wish they'd get their shit in order. The industry needs them.

[Redrob]

BoyAlley,

1. Where's all the money going? How much has been raise? What's the yearly budget? How many members are there? How much are attorneys charging us to fight 2257? How much has been spent on 2257 altogether so far?

It apparently refuses to release financials, or at least I've never spoken to anyone that's seen them. Why? I'll tell you some possible explanations I've heard. According to at least one employee, they've had serious money problems and they don't want anyone to know about it. I heard some time ago from one of them that things were so bad, that they were dipping into payroll funds to put toward the 2257 fight and employees weren't even sure if they were still going to have jobs or not.

I suspect the other reason why is that we'd all blow a goat if we knew exactly how much money some of these attorneys have banked so far.

I have no idea what I've heard is fact and what isn't. That, to me, says more about the lack of information flowing from the organization than anything else.

As I am not the ED, I'd suggest that you contact [email protected] concerning FSC financial and your contact information.

2. They suck shitty ass at communicating with their members. Hell, even I, who has raised a ton of cash for them, can't even manage to get a ballot sent to me come "election time", and despite the fact that I've updated my name and address and phone number with them no fewer than 4 times, they STILL have it all wrong from a "data entry mix-up" they made over a year ago.

Their press releases are never timely, and there's never any follow through.
They suck at communicating on the boards (where 99% of their members get their industry new from), to the point where they're bragging that they made a total of 30 posts regarding 2257 since the new proposed regs took effect.

WOW THIRTY WHOLE POSTS JESUS CHRIST SON OF A WHORE THAT MUST HAVE BEEN A LOT OF WORK!

I can fart out more than 30 posts in 10 minutes that are of more substance.

Since Tom left for XBiz, we have not had a full-time staff communications person. I have done what I can on GFY, personally; but, I'm have other business interests and family that take away my time from GFY. I apologize and will try to make more comments in the future.

3. Their membership "subscription levels" are gayer than I am and are about as intuitive as performing cunnilingus.

Please feel free to send any suggestions to the FSC offices as they will be appreciated.

4. I haven't even been able to pay my dues this year assuming I'm suppose to yet (because I have any idea when the hell they're even due), and my 3 separate emails to find out when they are due and how much I owe this year were of course ignored. Did the FSC outsource to Epassporte's Customer Service department?

Again, I will pass this on to Diane, the ED, as I believe it is a rather common problem. I suggest you contact [email protected] with your concerns regarding membership renewals.

5. They have a total lack of focus. They can apparently barely afford to keep the 2257 lawsuits going, and have not had any success with the fight, yet they're now starting to sing the battle hymn against piracy?

Right now, as I understand the situation, the 2257 litigation is temporarily on hold, more or less, awaiting the next move by the DOJ, i.e. the release of the post-comment, revised regulations.

Until the new regs are posted, we don't know how we will be affected as an industry, what particular regs we will challenge, or where the best venue will be for the challenge. Our current challenge is to get the 2257 proposed regs comments of the membership to the DOJ in the next two days. The comments will have an effect on the final regs. The more support our position has in the industry, the more likely we will see favorable regs AND IT IS VERY MUCH A NUMBERS GAME WHEN IT INDICATES INDUSTRY SUPPORT FOR A POSITION.

The FSC information on posting comments is:
http://www.freespeechcoalition.com

This isn't like the RIAA or the MPAA where there are only a handful of studios that exist that can all come together to kick pirates' ass (and you see how unsuccessful even they've been). There are THOUSANDS of producers in this industry. If someone steals exclusive content from my little program is the FSC going to go running out to sue the thiefs into oblivion? I think not.

I'm willing to bet this entire initiative would be nothing but a way for a handful of huge dvd producers to save themselves a shitload in legal fees by having all of us pay for their anti-piracy efforts through the guise of an "FSC Initiative". I can smell that a mile a way.

There seemed to be quite a few internet adult content producers at the Roundtable who were concerned with theft of their content. I'd say the problem is industry wide, excepting toymakers of course....

As I understand the situation, the FSC will be providing support for the adult content producer's group that was formed at the Roundtable last week.

Any litigation must be initiated by the content producers who's IPR have been violated. Accordingly, FSC's role will be one of research, support, organization, and coordination between the interests when such activities are requested.

In my opinion, the FSC should continue to endeavor change in the laws that adversely affect our industry as a whole such as the overbroad safe harbor provision of the DMCA, Utah/Michigan email registry, XXX-tld and 2257.

I believe that the FSC and Content Producers should co-ordinate their efforts in both legislation and litigation to maximize the industry's effectiveness dealing with this content theft problem.

I appreciate your support and accept your criticism.

[Jace]

Redrob's response reminded me of when Aly worked at AVN and she had to constantly clean up their messes

[BoyAlley]

Originally Posted by Jace

Redrob's response reminded me of when Aly worked at AVN and she had to constantly clean up their messes

Certainly none of my criticisms were directed toward him personally, and I understand he's not the full time communications director for the FSC either. I'm definitely not saying that any of the FSC's shortcomings are his fault.

My criticisms are directed toward the FSC as an organization. It's got big problems, and even talking privately with those that work for them, I hear some of the same concerns echoed as I hear being raised publicly on the boards.

I was really really hoping the new director would change the tides, but apparently not. I'm not sure WHO exactly is responsible for the cluster fuck, but someone over there is.......

[DaddyHalbucks]

I hope the FSC can become more effective. Maybe I will donate some money this year. We'll see.

[mikesouth]

While I have no issues with Red Rob...dont even know If I know him or not I have HUGE issues with the FSC.

The original poster hit the nail on the head.

The FSC is and always has been very top heavy, especially salary wise, I remember when former director Kat Sunlove used to bilk them for 70K a year for a part time position and the FSC paid her bhloated expense reports that included daily ten dollar tips for the maid and other such nonsense.

I have said it before and I will say it again, the name has become synonymous with ineptitude, waste and foolishness, they havent accomplished 3 things in 5 years that they can honestly point to.

Its time to dissolve it and start over with honest people at the helm

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by BoyAlley

I'm in the mood to bitch. So here it is. I'm gonna turn off the yellow so you don't all go blind.

Edit: This ended up being really long don't bother reading it.

Ok, I've raised over $14,000 for the FSC in the past, because I believed in its stated mission, and because quite frankly it's the only organization that this industry has.

However, it's a clusterfuck. I thought for a while that was due to the changing of executive directors, but now that the new one's been in place for a while, it's still a cluster fuck.

1. Where's all the money going? How much has been raise? What's the yearly budget? How many members are there? How much are attorneys charging us to fight 2257? How much has been spent on 2257 altogether so far?

It apparently refuses to release financials, or at least I've never spoken to anyone that's seen them. Why? I'll tell you some possible explanations I've heard. According to at least one employee, they've had serious money problems and they don't want anyone to know about it. I heard some time ago from one of them that things were so bad, that they were dipping into payroll funds to put toward the 2257 fight and employees weren't even sure if they were still going to have jobs or not.

I suspect the other reason why is that we'd all blow a goat if we knew exactly how much money some of these attorneys have banked so far.

I have no idea what I've heard is fact and what isn't. That, to me, says more about the lack of information flowing from the organization than anything else.

2. They suck shitty ass at communicating with their members. Hell, even I, who has raised a ton of cash for them, can't even manage to get a ballot sent to me come "election time", and despite the fact that I've updated my name and address and phone number with them no fewer than 4 times, they STILL have it all wrong from a "data entry mix-up" they made over a year ago.

Their press releases are never timely, and there's never any follow through.
They suck at communicating on the boards (where 99% of their members get their industry new from), to the point where they're bragging that they made a total of 30 posts regarding 2257 since the new proposed regs took effect.

WOW THIRTY WHOLE POSTS JESUS CHRIST SON OF A WHORE THAT MUST HAVE BEEN A LOT OF WORK!

I can fart out more than 30 posts in 10 minutes that are of more substance.

3. Their membership "subscription levels" are gayer than I am and are about as intuitive as performing cunnilingus.

4. I haven't even been able to pay my dues this year assuming I'm suppose to yet (because I have any idea when the hell they're even due), and my 3 separate emails to find out when they are due and how much I owe this year were of course ignored. Did the FSC outsource to Epassporte's Customer Service department?

5. They have a total lack of focus. They can apparently barely afford to keep the 2257 lawsuits going, and have not had any success with the fight, yet they're now starting to sing the battle hymn against piracy?

Get real.

This isn't like the RIAA or the MPAA where there are only a handful of studios that exist that can all come together to kick pirates' ass (and you see how unsuccessful even they've been). There are THOUSANDS of producers in this industry. If someone steals exclusive content from my little program is the FSC going to go running out to sue the thiefs into oblivion? I think not.

I'm willing to bet this entire initiative would be nothing but a way for a handful of huge dvd producers to save themselves a shitload in legal fees by having all of us pay for their anti-piracy efforts through the guise of an "FSC Initiative". I can smell that a mile a way.

blah I could keep going but I'm tired of typing.
I just wish they'd get their shit in order. The industry needs them.

why are you so surprised? the FSC is run by a couple of porn people. what did you really expect?

[D]

The FSC chairman (?) at the round-table offered that anyone could stop by the offices on any given weekday, and there would be no problem in the FSC's books being opened to them... I offer that preparing a brief in the form of a newsletter - regarding the FSC financials - and sharing it with the members of the organization - even once if not on a regular basis - might be a good step in restoring any lost faith in the FSC.

As an observer, every time there's any negative light shed on the FSC, the issue of accountability - or more specifically, the _lack_ of accountability - is always something that comes up.


That said, protecting our industry from undue persecution is a lot different of a fight than other matters that require different people making different decisions. I hope that the truly FSC respects that ideal, and will continue supporting the industry in any way it's able.

[tony286]

We cant blame Redrob but I think he should bring some of these things back to Diane to look at seriously.Not just write it off as those fucked up gfy people.

[seeric]

the only thing that was agreed in the round table meeting, since the issue was forced on the meeting, was sid grief can be a "liason" to the content producers group, whatever that may be. that means that the fsc is NOT part of the content producers group, but that being that the content producers are interested in being "allies" to anyone against piracy, an open LINE OF COMMUNICATION should remain established between the two associations. "support" does not mean that fsc will be running or influencing anything over on the content producer side. lets keep it real folks. i'm going back to my weekend.

[Jace]

where did anyone blame RedRob you all, I never said that

I said his response was almost the exact type of response that Aly used to give when dealing with people that hated AVN

meaning that by posting on here and representing the FSC he is going to end up taking the majority of the hits, even though it is not his/her fault

[Jace]

Originally Posted by BoyAlley

Certainly none of my criticisms were directed toward him personally, and I understand he's not the full time communications director for the FSC either. I'm definitely not saying that any of the FSC's shortcomings are his fault.

I didn't say any of what you suggested and I dont' know where you got that from

[BoyAlley]

Originally Posted by Jace

I didn't say any of what you suggested and I dont' know where you got that from

I didn't say that you did blame him, I was just clarifying my position.

Lawds Mercy calm down breeder, calm down!

[chodadog]

Originally Posted by Jace

I didn't say any of what you suggested and I dont' know where you got that from

He didn't suggest anything. It seemed as though he was reiterating that his comments were directed at the FSC and not at RedRob.

[mikesouth]

Ya Jace I wasnt saying you did but of all the criticisms of the FSC mine have been the sharpest and I dont want redrob to feel as though they are directed at him personally.

I have been through this with Mark kernes a few times, Kernes take criticism of the FSC very personal, truth is I like Kernes and I respect his ability to verbally match wits with me...even when he is wrong.

I thin the biggest mistake the FSC made was in its initial 2257 filing granting protection only to FSC members...they will come back and tell you that you have to be a party to the lawsuit to have protection and thats true....however they filed specifically so as to make only their members a party instead of the industry et el.

Whether this was just incompetence on their part or planned to boost membership I think the short term gains did more long term harm than good.

The biggest problem with the FSC is and always has been the lack of accountability but its more than just that, they can't point to a single thing that they have done with pride and say hey look what we did here!

They cant tell us what they are doing because in essence they aren't doing anything other than being a jobs program for people who couldnt get a job anyplace else.

They like to beat their chest about their lobbying days in sacramento but they cant point to one iota of legislation they sponsored or really anything tangible that they have accomplished there.

If everyone on gfy got together and said south yer our boy we are going to join the FSC and make you executive director or whatever the first thing I would do is disband it, and I wouldn't collect a dime of salary for it.

I would then turn it over to someone who could rebirth it into what it should be.

[p1mpdogg]

we wont be renewing our membership thats for sure.

any organization that will not disclose their finacials or even reply to our inquiries will not be supported by us.

fuck the FSC, they are a scam

[pornguy]

I did not even know that he worked for them.

[Redrob]

Things the FSC has done with pride:

In 2002, FSC views were upheld in the US Supreme Court in Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition, the so-called VIRTUAL CHILD PORN case, which has been described by no less than the ACLU as "the most important victory for the First Amendment in decades."

March 30, 2007 - In a decision made Friday March 30th at the ICANN board meeting, the board voted 9 to 5 to reject ICM's proposal for a .XXX top level domain. This appears to be the final decision by ICANN as Board Chair Vinton Cerf said that they would not consider another proposal for a .XXX top level domain. FSC's ED, Diane, and Chairman, Jeffrey Dougals, performed miracles in Lisbon representing the industry and solidifying opposition.

Over the past three years, the FSC has organized and funded the 2257 litigation which will continue for the forseeable future. Even though there has been no clear victory for the industry, we are still in business, and, for many, business is good.

[Profits of Doom]

Originally Posted by Redrob

There seemed to be quite a few internet adult content producers at the Roundtable who were concerned with theft of their content. I'd say the problem is industry wide, excepting toymakers of course....

As I understand the situation, the FSC will be providing support for the adult content producer's group that was formed at the Roundtable last week.

Any litigation must be initiated by the content producers who's IPR have been violated. Accordingly, FSC's role will be one of research, support, organization, and coordination between the interests when such activities are requested.

It has been stated on here repeatedly that the content producers want nothing to do with the FSC for any of the above roles. The FSC smelled the money, as content piracy is the new cause du jour, and did whatever they could to interject themselves into the fray so they had another cause to drum up donations for. Unbelievable...

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

HUh???? Whats this all about? To much to read fuck this...

[Redrob]

According to the FSC bylaws, the Board members are not allowed to profit from their relationship with the FSC. When we meet in California for our meetings, the Board members fly to LA at their own expense, pay for their own meals and hotel rooms, and are not compensated in any way. Mark Kernes is a Board member and, as such, is not paid by the FSC.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

"The biggest problem with the FSC is and always has been the lack of accountability but its more than just that, they can't point to a single thing that they have done with pride and say hey look what we did here!" - Mike South

Wrong... DOn't let the hatred blind you.

FSC fought XXX ferociously and saved the internet segment numerous times in regards to 2257.
Not bad for an organisation that basically gets hardly any donations from you dead beats and haters.

Have soem class and at least acknowledge they done something important for us all.

[Redrob]

Profits of Doom,
FSC is not part of the Content Producer's Group.
The FSC has not solicited donations to fight content theft.
Where do you get your information? I'd like to read it.

[jimthefiend]

Originally Posted by BoyAlley

Where's all the money going? How much has been raise? What's the yearly budget? How many members are there? How much are attorneys charging us to fight 2257? How much has been spent on 2257 altogether so far?

Good fucking questions.

[Profits of Doom]

Originally Posted by Redrob

Profits of Doom,
FSC is not part of the Content Producer's Group.
The FSC has not solicited donations to fight content theft.
Where do you get your information? I'd like to read it.

You just stated that you were taking a role in the content producers group. In addition, there was a press release on here a week or so ago saying that the FSC is going to get involved in the anti-piracy fight. So you mean to tell me the FSC is getting involved in the anti-piracy fight and won't be soliciting donations for it?

[fatfoo]

i suppose it is a clusterfuck

[Redrob]

I will see if I can get you some answers to BoyAlley's questions and start a thread when I receive them.

[JFK]

I am a member and it seems to me, the only time I get any communication from them, is just prior to the renewal of my membership

[Redrob]

Any litigation must be initiated by the content producers who's IPR have been violated. Accordingly, FSC's role will be one of research, support, organization, and coordination between the interests when such activities are requested.

Note: "....when such activities are requested." nothing more.

[mikesouth]

Originally Posted by Redrob

Things the FSC has done with pride:

In 2002, FSC views were upheld in the US Supreme Court in Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition, the so-called VIRTUAL CHILD PORN case, which has been described by no less than the ACLU as "the most important victory for the First Amendment in decades."

March 30, 2007 - In a decision made Friday March 30th at the ICANN board meeting, the board voted 9 to 5 to reject ICM's proposal for a .XXX top level domain. This appears to be the final decision by ICANN as Board Chair Vinton Cerf said that they would not consider another proposal for a .XXX top level domain. FSC's ED, Diane, and Chairman, Jeffrey Dougals, performed miracles in Lisbon representing the industry and solidifying opposition.

Over the past three years, the FSC has organized and funded the 2257 litigation which will continue for the forseeable future. Even though there has been no clear victory for the industry, we are still in business, and, for many, business is good.

God you guys are too easy according to your site you were founded in 1993 and this is all you can point to? A case that made virtual child pornography legal...

next you cite that you didnt' support .XXX well y'all didnt do much to stop it either and that was a close vote and by some accounts the reason why Bill Lyon was ousted a good portion of the FSC WANTED that money and you know. So congrats for finally doing what you SHOULD have done all along. Nice try but it dont wash.

Your performance on 2257 is abyssmal at best thus far, I certainly wouldnt crow about that.

So this is all you can come up with in almost 20 years of existance?

PLEASE....

[Redrob]

You just stated that you were taking a role in the content producers group. In addition, there was a press release on here a week or so ago saying that the FSC is going to get involved in the anti-piracy fight. So you mean to tell me the FSC is getting involved in the anti-piracy fight and won't be soliciting donations for it?

The FSC's news release predates the formation of the Content Producer's Roundtable.

I am just to act as a laison, accordingly, I am only a resource and have no vote in any proceedings.

Moreover, as of this time, I know of no plans to solicit donations for the anti-piracy fight.

FSC Creates Task Force to Address Issues of Piracy

Canoga Park, CA ? The Free Speech Coalition announced Wednesday that it has created a task force to study and address the issue of piracy in the adult entertainment industry. The task force is a result of a decision made by FSC?s Board of Directors at its June 30th board meeting. ?Piracy hurts our members? bottom line,? says Diane Duke FSC Executive Director. ?Piracy is an issue of importance to our members and, therefore, it is of importance to us.?

FSC plans to approach different segments of the industry to determine the level of impact piracy has on each segment. They will then quantify their results and develop and prioritize solutions to best meet the needs of their members and the industry as a whole.

?When we say that we are the watchdog for the industry, we don?t just mean from government intrusion,? Duke said. ?We are the watchdog for anything that stands in the way of our members? success.?

The press release did not say that the FSC was initiating litigation, raising donations, or doing anything else other than trying to get a handle on the issue.

[Profits of Doom]

double post

[Redrob]

I am saying that nobody has raised the question of soliciting donations and, accordingly, no decision has been made regarding the issue.

[Profits of Doom]

Originally Posted by Redrob

The FSC's news release predates the formation of the Content Producer's Roundtable.

I am just to act as a laison, accordingly, I am only a resource and have no vote in any proceedings.

Moreover, as of this time, I know of no plans to solicit donations for the anti-piracy fight.



The press release did not say that the FSC was initiating litigation, raising donations, or doing anything else other than trying to get a handle on the issue.

It is obvious to everyone that is the next step. The FSC is forming an anti-piracy task force. According to Airek you forced yourself onto the roundtable meeting. The next logical step is the FSC will start their own group and solicit donations for it.

[Redrob]

Any questions concerning soliciting donations is pure conjecture.

[mikesouth]

What is Diane's salary at the FSC Im no longer a member so I have no right to ask but BoyAlley and others...have at it

Lets see if we are getting our moneys worth

and BTW salary includes bonuses, consulting fees yada yada I wana know how much money the FSC paid for her last year see if yall think you are gettng your moneys worth...I know what Kat Sunlove made and I know what Bill Lyon (who wasnt the demon the FSC painted him as) made.

[Profits of Doom]

Originally Posted by Redrob

Any questions concerning soliciting donations is pure conjecture.

Well, I've been a FSC member and contributor since 1996, and at one point I had over 20 stores that were members. I'm pretty familiar with how the FSC operates and what the next step is...

[mikesouth]

double post

why did it do that

[Redrob]

According to Airek you forced yourself onto the roundtable meeting.

Where is this tidbit of information?

[Redrob]

Mike,
Since Diane didn't work at the FSC last year, what was her salary??

[mikesouth]

Originally Posted by Redrob

Mike,
Since Diane didn't work at the FSC last year, what was her salary??

You know exactly what I am talking about

what does she make...maybe I dont have a right to know but any member does.

[Profits of Doom]

Originally Posted by Redrob

Where is this tidbit of information?

Right here...

Originally Posted by A1R3K

the only thing that was agreed in the round table meeting, since the issue was forced on the meeting, was sid grief can be a "liason" to the content producers group, whatever that may be. that means that the fsc is NOT part of the content producers group, but that being that the content producers are interested in being "allies" to anyone against piracy, an open LINE OF COMMUNICATION should remain established between the two associations. "support" does not mean that fsc will be running or influencing anything over on the content producer side. lets keep it real folks. i'm going back to my weekend.

[mikesouth]

And since you brought it up what did you pay Michelle Freeridge? She was there in 2006 as ED.

[seeric]

the reason several of us got upset in the meeting is because prior to the meeting we were contacted asking if the fsc could attend. we said no. we also said we didn't want any solicitation for support or mixing of the two entities. when the time came to nominate board members we literally felt blindsided as three people haggled in defense of the fsc and being a part of it. i then looked towards jeffery and stated. "i told you i didn't want any of this shit here." to me i took it as a sign of not having respect for the content producers wishes. we wanted the meeting to happen with no outside influence. we almost pulled it off. people can take it how they want it, and i'm pretty much done with it, as we did accomplish keeping the two seperate, but i was pretty pissed that our request to keep the meeting without influence one way or the other was not respected. if that was not the case, it sure the heck came off the way that many people in the room later relayed. it is important for the two groups to stay separate. that is not MY doing. the content producers do not want the fsc running or sitting on their board, plain and simple. no one can be mad at anyone about that. if you want an ally, sure you got it, but there isn't gonna be any of this sleeping in bed stuff going on.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by A1R3K

the reason several of us got upset in the meeting is because prior to the meeting we were contacted asking if the fsc could attend. we said no. we also said we didn't want any solicitation for support or mixing of the two entities. when the time came to nominate board members we literally felt blindsided as three people haggled in defense of the fsc and being a part of it. i then looked towards jeffery and stated. "i told you i didn't want any of this shit here." to me i took it as a sign of not having respect for the content producers wishes. we wanted the meeting to happen with no outside influence. we almost pulled it off. people can take it how they want it, and i'm pretty much done with it, as we did accomplish keeping the two seperate, but i was pretty pissed that our request to keep the meeting without influence one way or the other was not respected. if that was not the case, it sure the heck came off the way that many people in the room later relayed. it is important for the two groups to stay separate. that is not MY doing. the content producers do not want the fsc running or sitting on their board, plain and simple. no one can be mad at anyone about that. if you want an ally, sure you got it, but there isn't gonna be any of this sleeping in bed stuff going on.

well said.

[RawAlex]

Boyalley, I think you hit it pretty much right on the target.

Redrob, I think things are very, very clear here. The next and only crusade for the next couple of months for FSC should be GETTING THEIR OWN HOUSE IN ORDER. Get your membership structure figured out. Get your membership information up to date. Collect funds from people who owe for memberships, make sure that every who should renew has renewed, and generally get the organization in order.

If you cannot organize yourselves, why would you think you would be qualified to lead the crusade on piracy? There are plenty of people out there that want to give you money, and someone like Boyalley that raised 14k for you guys last year suddenly can't seem to even get the time of day. What's the scoop?

For as long as I have known the FSC, it has always been about 1 phone bill away from oblivion. Why would you guys be slow about collecting membership fees or make it hard for people to give you money?

[tony286]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Boyalley, I think you hit it pretty much right on the target.

Redrob, I think things are very, very clear here. The next and only crusade for the next couple of months for FSC should be GETTING THEIR OWN HOUSE IN ORDER. Get your membership structure figured out. Get your membership information up to date. Collect funds from people who owe for memberships, make sure that every who should renew has renewed, and generally get the organization in order.

If you cannot organize yourselves, why would you think you would be qualified to lead the crusade on piracy? There are plenty of people out there that want to give you money, and someone like Boyalley that raised 14k for you guys last year suddenly can't seem to even get the time of day. What's the scoop?

For as long as I have known the FSC, it has always been about 1 phone bill away from oblivion. Why would you guys be slow about collecting membership fees or make it hard for people to give you money?

You hit the nail on the head.

[Compdoctor]

I'm not with the bro's here on this board, but one has to ask, why are you supporting something that does not work? If a designer did not do the job time after time, would you use them? If a content provider did not produce the images/vids wanted after you paid them, would you use them again? Time for you guys to stand up and ask what the real deal is!

[seeric]

P.S.

I am getting a lot of credit for things that I don't deserve. I did not put all those people in that room, evolution did. When your bank account starts screaming from outside effects of things like piracy, it tends to motivate people.

For the last time, I WAS A VOICE! I am a PROMOTER. I have been for 15 years. I used to get paid by nightclubs to fill them up. This is much easier. Simple. Please stop giving me so much credit. This isn't necessarily about this thread. I understand that I am seen as the PIRACY MARTYR, but it just isn't so. There were 65 Piracy Martyrs in that room, they deserve ALL the credit for getting their asses in a room on a Wednesday night to discuss the issues affecting them.

Over and Out!

2cents

[Albert Fish]

Originally Posted by p1mpdogg

any organization that will not disclose their finacials or even reply to our inquiries will not be supported by us.

Who cares about the financials?

If the FSC succeeds in deep sixing 2257 it'll be okay with me if 90% of our donations were spent on whores and nose candy

If they fail, it won't much matter how honest they were.....we'll all be in deep shit.