USA Is An Export OF State Terror - Proof Inside

[buzzy]

America is secretly funding militant ethnic separatist groups in Iran in an attempt to pile pressure on the Islamic regime to give up its nuclear programme.

In a move that reflects Washington's growing concern with the failure of diplomatic initiatives, CIA officials are understood to be helping opposition militias among the numerous ethnic minority groups clustered in Iran's border regions.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...25/wiran25.xml

[buzzy]

In the words of Bush - "If you are funding terrorists, you are a terrorist"

[DEA - banned for life]

Originally Posted by buzzy

America is secretly funding militant ethnic separatist groups in Iran in an attempt to pile pressure on the Islamic regime to give up its nuclear programme.

In a move that reflects Washington's growing concern with the failure of diplomatic initiatives, CIA officials are understood to be helping opposition militias among the numerous ethnic minority groups clustered in Iran's border regions.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...25/wiran25.xml

Thats been going on for a while now....we are funding " democratic revolutionaries" who are trying to gain power BACK from the islamist goverment that is currently suppporting "terrorist" in iraq who are trying to gain power BACK from the newley US placed democratic government there.

iran used to be a democratic nation..the first moslem nation to do so..and also be a founding member of united nations.

iraq used to be a islamic monarchy before saddam took over.


lesson NOT YET learned =stay the fuck out of other peoples buissnes

[buzzy]

bump for DaddyHalbucks

[DaddyHalbucks]

The US government is undermining a true modern day Hitler?

Oh, NO!!!

[GreyWolf]

Oops your'e on the reality bangwagon lately eh buzzy?

I gave up - not worth the effort wasting time on propaganda debriefing sessions - useless they pay money for the sessions - in Euros please

If you want to know about exporting "state sponsored terrorism" - check out the history of the School of Americas SOA (since renamed another blowbag idiot term - WHINSEC - the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation). If you ask nicely they may even explain how to murder women and children the "nice way" - ie stuff a plastic bag over their heads.

Supporting "state sponsored terrorism" is OK as long as they US is the sponsor and "we do not torture people" either. We employ mercenaries from a thug party called Blackwater (and others) who don't operate under any laws to do it for us. That's called democracy.

We don't like being caught out because we are very righteous and like to pretend we have the moral highground.

How's your pecan pie buzzy?

[minusonebit]

Its not terrorism if the United States does it. Its only terrorism if anyone else does.

[buzzy]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

The US government is undermining a true modern day Hitler?

Oh, NO!!!

So you're saying it's ok to use terrorism, only if it's you but nobody else doing it?

[theking]

Originally Posted by GreyWolf

Oops your'e on the reality bangwagon lately eh buzzy?

I gave up - not worth the effort wasting time on propaganda debriefing sessions - useless they pay money for the sessions - in Euros please

If you want to know about exporting "state sponsored terrorism" - check out the history of the School of Americas SOA (since renamed another blowbag idiot term - WHINSEC - the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation). If you ask nicely they may even explain how to murder women and children the "nice way" - ie stuff a plastic bag over their heads.

Supporting "state sponsored terrorism" is OK as long as they US is the sponsor and "we do not torture people" either. We employ mercenaries from a thug party called Blackwater (and others) who don't operate under any laws to do it for us. That's called democracy.

We don't like being caught out because we are very righteous and like to pretend we have the moral highground.

How's your pecan pie buzzy?

Pigshit.

[s9ann0]

When terrorism is in the interests of a country like the USA its called patriotism son

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by s9ann0

When terrorism is in the interests of a country like the USA its called patriotism son

isn't this sad, from such a great country ...

[Sveindt Beindt]

Originally Posted by minusonebit

Its not terrorism if the United States does it. Its only terrorism if anyone else does.

Thats the way it is

[tony286]

thats the new right wing talking point anyone we dont like we call hitler.

[PunkRockXXX]

The CIA is directly responsible countless assassinations, murders, lies, funding of revolutions and many other acts of the same nature of the years.

fuck teh US government.

[PunkRockXXX]

Originally Posted by minusonebit

Its not terrorism if the United States does it. Its only terrorism if anyone else does.

good quote

[Papillon]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

The US government is undermining a true modern day Hitler?

Oh, NO!!!

you crazy idiot the only person that is even close to hitler is george w bush

how anyone voted for that guy is beyond me

[Papillon]

Originally Posted by theking

Pigshit.

Not even close to pigshit. Absolute fact. Get your head out of the sand.

[Dirty Dane]

Is this good or bad news? lol...

[Tempest]

Terrorist... Democratic revolutionary... Freedom Fighter... The term a country uses depends on what's in their best interest for the day and what propoganda they need the public to swallow...

It's funny how the US just fucks things up over and over again... The current regime in Iran is a result of their actions over there...

[GreyWolf]

Originally Posted by theking

Pigshit.

It's good to get real valid comment from you eh?? Never fails - just more meaningless bullshit you either want to turn a blind eye to, or can't accept.

Prove any error and I'll be happy to stand corrected

[DaddyHalbucks]

Originally Posted by buzzy

So you're saying it's ok to use terrorism, only if it's you but nobody else doing it?

No, that's not what I am saying.

Using force against a Hitler is not terrorism.

I am saying it's OK to use force against a Hitler. It's law enforcement on the world stage.

[DaddyHalbucks]

Originally Posted by Tempest

Terrorist... Democratic revolutionary... Freedom Fighter... The term a country uses depends on what's in their best interest for the day and what propoganda they need the public to swallow...

It's funny how the US just fucks things up over and over again... The current regime in Iran is a result of their actions over there...

Perhaps you would like to lend your Crystal Ball Gazing services to the US government, so they can look into the future and see which world leaders will turn bad in the future.

[GreyWolf]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Perhaps you would like to lend your Crystal Ball Gazing services to the US government, so they can look into the future and see which world leaders will turn bad in the future.

Good idea DH - sure beats what they have now

But... don't conviently forget the known dictators. You remember??? The one's they dealt with/trained because they were "bad" and who are now protected in US territory along with others who are still responsible of torture and murder today.



PS BTW - Ask the extremist regime when they are going to stop "exporting state terrorism" - it's not good for PR internationally

[minusonebit]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Perhaps you would like to lend your Crystal Ball Gazing services to the US government, so they can look into the future and see which world leaders will turn bad in the future.

heh, dont need a crystal ball for that my friend. All you have to do is turn on Fox News and watch the shrub to have an answer to that question.

[theking]

Originally Posted by GreyWolf

It's good to get real valid comment from you eh?? Never fails - just more meaningless bullshit you either want to turn a blind eye to, or can't accept.

Prove any error and I'll be happy to stand corrected

Webby...the classic use of Mercenaries (Mercs) are to fight for a foreign country in a military role. Blackwater is one of more than 100 private security contractors that are employed by various organizations to serve in Iraq. In the case of Blackwater its principle role is to act as body guards for VIP's and its employer for service in Iraq is the State Department. It does not act in a military role thus they are not Mercs. It does not engage in military action other than in defense and even then it only engages long enough to get their client off the X. They have only engaged the enemy less than one percent of of more than 16,000 movements.

They do not take prisoners...they do not do interrogations thus they do not torture anyone. They are subject to the UCMJ even though they are civilians...they also are subject to the Justice Department. They have come under investigation by both over the years and are currently under investigation...but as of yet have not been found to have violated any prosecutable laws.

Thus I repeat pigshit.

[GreyWolf]

Originally Posted by theking

the classic use of Mercenaries (Mercs) are to fight for a foreign country in a military role.

Don't need the official line on what "private contractors" (mercenaries) *should* perform or not. They are unaccountable and engaged in an "outsource" capacity as an excuse for military replacements.

They may not take prisoners, but they murder people. Which part do you not comprehend??

Thus, to use your fetish terminology - pigshit and more excuses.

[theking]

Originally Posted by GreyWolf

Don't need the official line on what "private contractors" (mercenaries) *should* perform or not. They are unaccountable and engaged in an "outsource" capacity as an excuse for military replacements.

They may not take prisoners, but they murder people. Which part do you not comprehend??

Thus, to use your fetish terminology - pigshit and more excuses.

Webby...as usual...you put out false information. They are ACCOUNTABLE to the UCMJ and to the Justice Department...and are currently under investigation and there have been occasions in the past years that they have been under investigation by both and up to this point in time they have not been found to have violated a law that is prosecutable. No member of Blackwater has yet been charged with murder and until someone is charged and convicted no member of Blackwater is a murderer.

They are not outsourced for military replacements...and they are not used in any military capacity although on occasion when a military person or persons have been in an overwhelming situation they have come (when they were in a position to assist quicker than a military force could) to protect and extract them. They are security personell hired by the State Department to act as body guards for VIP's.

[GreyWolf]

Originally Posted by theking

They are ACCOUNTABLE to the UCMJ and to the Justice Department...

OK.. hear ya! Does it really matter that they are accountable to a non-accountable regime?? I know you have this desire to defend and play the role of a "patriot" , but you are talking about people who cannot even account to their own electorate without lying - a rogue regime.

Let's assume for a moment "contractors" are what you say they are - ie engaged as bodyguards by the State Department. In other words - just employees engaged in work in another country.

That places them in an area outside US jurisdiction and subject to the laws in the country of their engagement. Bodyguards are nothing special - wherever they are present, they are subject to local law (and obviously the Iraqi government is acting to seek justice, tho they may already have enough questions over their justice system).

Re accountability. Even the DOJ has expressed problems when questions when asked - and members of the admin had a blank look and feigned no knowledge (nothing new there), so not sure where you are getting your information.

The reality is, irrespective of who these people are - they are operating in a country and are subject to the laws of that country. It is irrelevant what the US claims - they are not operating in US territory.

On a slightly related topic - there is clearly a problem with actual military forces and the application of what you describe as UCMJ. This has been demonstrated more than clearly in several trials. In effect, the UCMJ appears to have become a name only and something to be used as an excuse for accountability. Anyone can combine four letters and say the have a justice system applicable and apply this in any form they wish.

The fact is that a number of US personnel have committed crimes ranging from rape to murder and torture blah. Are *any* of these people in a jail cell after they have been convicted??? Maybe one. That sounds like a wonderful justice system and a demonstration on how this is simply a mouthpiece - walking the walk is different to talking about it and the track record says more than just words expressing accountability.

When even the military become involved in coverups it just gets worse. Example, personnel being granted immunity from prosecution if they dumped photographic evidence of human rights violations into a "suggestion box" and promised not to tell - gimme a break from the farce.

Of course they will very rarely be found guilty of crimes - they operate under the same unaccountable justice system which lets them off jail time for raping kids and murdering people. If the exact same incidents happened within the US - all hell would break out, and justifiably.

We are talking about accountability here - and this is not exactly something foremost in the minds of the current regime. They do a nice non-accountabilty exercise already, so what hope?

BTW.. think you suggested earlier that I said Blackwater and similar were committing torture? Na, they may do, - time will tell, but not suggesting that. Other "contractors" perform that fairly well already and it would be very naive to think there was not involvement. The earlier torture references were associated with the activities of SOA/WHINSEC (already well-documented along with witness testimony from survivors).

Bottom line - No member of the armed forces asked to be conned and stuffed into Iraq and there are always problem people in any group who could screw up a candystore - that's not the issue. It stems more from accountability and this comes from the top downwards - and has failed miserbly and reflecting a piss-poor impression of the US internationally.

There is no excuse ever for lack of judicial accountability for serious crime, irrespective of the jurisdiction and whatever country is involved - it's beneath gutter level.

[theking]

Originally Posted by GreyWolf

OK.. hear ya! Does it really matter that they are accountable to a non-accountable regime?? I know you have this desire to defend and play the role of a "patriot" , but you are talking about people who cannot even account to their own electorate without lying - a rogue regime.

Let's assume for a moment "contractors" are what you say they are - ie engaged as bodyguards by the State Department. In other words - just employees engaged in work in another country.

That places them in an area outside US jurisdiction and subject to the laws in the country of their engagement. Bodyguards are nothing special - wherever they are present, they are subject to local law (and obviously the Iraqi government is acting to seek justice, tho they may already have enough questions over their justice system).

Re accountability. Even the DOJ has expressed problems when questions when asked - and members of the admin had a blank look and feigned no knowledge (nothing new there), so not sure where you are getting your information.

The reality is, irrespective of who these people are - they are operating in a country and are subject to the laws of that country. It is irrelevant what the US claims - they are not operating in US territory.

On a slightly related topic - there is clearly a problem with actual military forces and the application of what you describe as UCMJ. This has been demonstrated more than clearly in several trials. In effect, the UCMJ appears to have become a name only and something to be used as an excuse for accountability. Anyone can combine four letters and say the have a justice system applicable and apply this in any form they wish.

The fact is that a number of US personnel have committed crimes ranging from rape to murder and torture blah. Are *any* of these people in a jail cell after they have been convicted??? Maybe one. That sounds like a wonderful justice system and a demonstration on how this is simply a mouthpiece - walking the walk is different to talking about it and the track record says more than just words expressing accountability.

When even the military become involved in coverups it just gets worse. Example, personnel being granted immunity from prosecution if they dumped photographic evidence of human rights violations into a "suggestion box" and promised not to tell - gimme a break from the farce.

Of course they will very rarely be found guilty of crimes - they operate under the same unaccountable justice system which lets them off jail time for raping kids and murdering people. If the exact same incidents happened within the US - all hell would break out, and justifiably.

We are talking about accountability here - and this is not exactly something foremost in the minds of the current regime. They do a nice non-accountabilty exercise already, so what hope?

BTW.. think you suggested earlier that I said Blackwater and similar were committing torture? Na, they may do, - time will tell, but not suggesting that. Other "contractors" perform that fairly well already and it would be very naive to think there was not involvement. The earlier torture references were associated with the activities of SOA/WHINSEC (already well-documented along with witness testimony from survivors).

Bottom line - No member of the armed forces asked to be conned and stuffed into Iraq and there are always problem people in any group who could screw up a candystore - that's not the issue. It stems more from accountability and this comes from the top downwards - and has failed miserbly and reflecting a piss-poor impression of the US internationally.

There is no excuse ever for lack of judicial accountability for serious crime, irrespective of the jurisdiction and whatever country is involved - it's beneath gutter level.

Couple of thousand serving at the Ft Levenworth military prison and this is just the maximum security prison for the military and there are a multitude of lesser military prisons with thousands more inmates. There are several hundred thousands of inmates in the Federal prisons. But you will insist that the military nor the Justice Department do not hold anyone accountable. Other than the one you mentioned. You espouse misinformation every day in virtually every post...but that fits your America hating agenda...now doesn't it Webby.

[GreyWolf]

Originally Posted by theking

Couple of thousand serving at the Ft Levenworth military prison and this is just the maximum security prison for the military and there are a multitude of lesser military prisons with thousands more inmates.

You trying to make deviancy an art form?

We are not talking about naughty boys who go AWOL and start fights in bars and knife each other and smoke pot - they are assured of 30 years.

We are talking about murderers - the stars of high profile cases which are well-published in mainstream media and the conduct of your UCMJ courts in failing to jail these convicted murderers.

It has been noted that you never cared to pick up on the activities of SOA/WHINSEC and have now sunk even further into boring detail of the numbers of military personnel in jail cells in the US. It's a fascinating topic, but little to do with "exporting of state terror" and non-accountability General.

Look inwards for misinformation and deviating - it suits your agenda obviously

[theking]

Originally Posted by GreyWolf

You trying to make deviancy an art form?

We are not talking about naughty boys who go AWOL and start fights in bars and knife each other and smoke pot - they are assured of 30 years.

We are talking about murderers - the stars of high profile cases which are well-published in mainstream media and the conduct of your UCMJ courts in failing to jail these convicted murderers.

It has been noted that you never cared to pick up on the activities of SOA/WHINSEC and have now sunk even further into boring detail of the numbers of military personnel in jail cells in the US. It's a fascinating topic, but little to do with "exporting of state terror" and non-accountability General.

Look inwards for misinformation and deviating - it suits your agenda obviously

There have been a multitude of military personell convicted of crimes...including rape and murder...among other serious charges brought against them for their actions in Afganistan...Iraq...and other countries around the world where we have military personel...that are currently serving time in one military prison or another. It is called ACCOUNTABILITY. I am satisfied that some...you thought should have been convicted...were not and that is called lack of credible evidence.

[theking]

BTW...normally when one goes AWOL or smokes pot they are discharged from the military under less than honorable conditions and do not spend any time behind bars and if they do it is not in a military prison but in the stockade/brig (miliary jail)...depending upon the branch of service. No need to thank me for your continuing education.

[GreyWolf]

Originally Posted by theking

There have been a multitude of military personell convicted of crimes...including rape and murder...among other serious charges brought against them for their actions in Afganistan...Iraq...and other countries around the world where we have military personel...that are currently serving time in one military prison or another. It is called ACCOUNTABILITY. I am satisfied that some...you thought should have been convicted...were not and that is called lack of credible evidence.

Gawd.. are you really gonna stick to the point or ramble on in an attempt to show there is accountabilty???

Read my lips and take it VERY SLOWLY! We are talking about convicted personnel and where these offenses ranged from child rape/killing to murder of adults and where, least at last count, only one of these lumps of scum are actually serving time.

It has nothing to do with what I think - they were convicted. Do you understand yet or still in a state of denial??

Anyways - who cares what you think General - there was nothing less pointless. Just stay in your bubble state of denial and assure yourself nobody got murdered/raped, SOA never existed and make sure the enemy is not under your bed - and all will be fine I got better shit to do.

[GreyWolf]

Originally Posted by theking

BTW...normally when one goes AWOL or smokes pot they are discharged from the military......

DUH? Who cares???

[theking]

Originally Posted by GreyWolf

Gawd.. are you really gonna stick to the point or ramble on in an attempt to show there is accountabilty???

Read my lips and take it VERY SLOWLY! We are talking about convicted personnel and where these offenses ranged from child rape/killing to murder of adults and where, least at last count, only one of these lumps of scum are actually serving time.

It has nothing to do with what I think - they were convicted. Do you understand yet or still in a state of denial??

Anyways - who cares what you think General - there was nothing less pointless. Just stay in your bubble state of denial and assure yourself nobody got murdered/raped, SOA never existed and make sure the enemy is not under your bed - and all will be fine I got better shit to do.

You really are a stupid fucker. I have stated that there are a multitude of military personell that have been convicted and are currently serving terms in military prison for crimes committed in Afghganistan...Iraq and many other countries around the world where we have military personel. The convictions include rape...murder and a gambit of other serious crimes.

Just because you do not keep up with the Courts Martials and the results of them only proves that you are ignorant.

[theking]

Originally Posted by GreyWolf

DUH? Who cares???

It is apparent that you did as you are the one that brought it up...now aren't you.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Perhaps you would like to lend your Crystal Ball Gazing services to the US government, so they can look into the future and see which world leaders will turn bad in the future.

I don't need a crystal ball... The CIA does a pretty good job actually if the people in power would actually listen to them... At the time, the US administation was warned that there would be some very serious "blowback" from their policies in Iran... And oh look.. They were right... It happens time and time again...

[GreyWolf]

Originally Posted by theking

I have stated that there are a multitude of military personell that have been convicted and are currently serving terms in military prison for crimes committed in Afghganistan...Iraq and many other countries around the world where we have military personel.

So all convicted in high profile rape and murder cases are all in jail?? Bollocks.

Keep dreaming and imagine none of it happened - they are all innocent and were just tending their rose gardens and helping keep the world free

Go to bed and quit drinking

[theking]

Originally Posted by GreyWolf

So all convicted in high profile rape and murder cases are all in jail?? Bollocks.

Keep dreaming and imagine none of it happened - they are all innocent and were just tending their rose gardens and helping keep the world free

Go to bed and quit drinking

No...they either have been in prison...or are currently in prison.

[theking]

I cannot go to bed as I have to go on patrol in a hour fifteen.

[GreyWolf]

Originally Posted by theking

It is apparent that you did as you are the one that brought it up...now aren't you.

No.. nothing could interest me less than stats about pot smoking and military procedures to deal with that awesome crime - you started that crap. Not me

[theking]

Originally Posted by GreyWolf

No.. nothing could interest me less than stats about pot smoking and military procedures to deal with that awesome crime - you started that crap. Not me

You are a liar (of course many of us are completely aware of this)...but to quote you "We are not talking about naughty boys who go AWOL and start fights in bars and knife each other and smoke pot - they are assured of 30 years." This is the first mention of AWOL and pot...and it was made by you.

[GreyWolf]

Originally Posted by theking

No...they either have been in prison...or are currently in prison.

Sure.. they have been in custody if you call that prison

Bottom line - totally irresponsible leadership and unaccountability. They would not last 5 mins if they made themselves accessible to answer a question honestly in a courtroom - a rogue regime on a downwards spiral

[GreyWolf]

Originally Posted by theking

.but to quote you "We are not talking about naughty boys who go AWOL and start fights in bars and knife each other and smoke pot - they are assured of 30 years." This is the first mention of AWOL and pot...and it was made by you.

Yes General - that's exactly what we are NOT talking about - can you read???

Sometimes it takes a while to sink in, but can understand this - very clearly


PS Love the liar shit - you need to look inwards for the truth on that

[theking]

Originally Posted by GreyWolf

Sure.. they have been in custody if you call that prison

Bottom line - totally irresponsible leadership and unaccountability. They would not last 5 mins if they made themselves accessible to answer a question honestly in a courtroom - a rogue regime on a downwards spiral

Total pigshit. But misinformation/pigshit is your forte. Truth is not on your agenda when it comes to America...nor is it on your agenda in your personal life. Now

[theking]

Originally Posted by GreyWolf

Yes General - that's exactly what we are NOT talking about - can you read???

Sometimes it takes a while to sink in, but can understand this - very clearly


PS Love the liar shit - you need to look inwards for the truth on that

It is simple...you lied...you are the one to bring up AWOL and pot...but you cannot accept the truth when it is put infront of your eyes. But you are a known liar so it is no surprise.

[GreyWolf]

Originally Posted by theking

Total pigshit. But misinformation/pigshit is your forte. Truth is not on your agenda when it comes to America...nor is it on your agenda in your personal life. Now

Oh dear - we are back to the pigshit fetish and all about "America" and pathetic attempts to attack something you have not one clue about

It must be hard to actually stick to the point and attempt to have a balanced disussion with that patriotic baggage around Suppose I'd be much the same if I was so afflicted.

Off you go lad on your patrol Preferably along the Iranian border

[theking]

Originally Posted by GreyWolf

Oh dear - we are back to the pigshit fetish and all about "America" and pathetic attempts to attack something you have not one clue about

It must be hard to actually stick to the point and attempt to have a balanced disussion with that patriotic baggage around Suppose I'd be much the same if I was so afflicted.

Off you go lad on your patrol Preferably along the Iranian border

I stick to the point and the point is you are a liar...full of misinformation/pigshit...and a blowhard. That is my point and with you it is always my point. You are my countries enemy...thus you are my enemy. I would love to turn your face into a mass of oozing goo.

BTW...I would love to patrol along the Iranian border...but would prefer it to be inside of Iran.

[GreyWolf]

Originally Posted by theking

It is simple...you lied...you are the one to bring up AWOL and pot...but you cannot accept the truth when it is put infront of your eyes. But you are a known liar so it is no surprise.

No theQueen - I don't need to lie and sure not known as a liar. Pathetic displays of desperation and your need to find fault are the problem and all honesty and honor flows out the window. Pity eh?

It's funny watching someone trying to defend the indefensible - there are no levels they will not stoop to. People-watching is fun eh? Always predicable.

I got no time for your infantile bollocks - too silly. Go on patrol and shoot yourself in the foot

[GreyWolf]

Originally Posted by theking

You are my countries enemy...thus you are my enemy.

You are just too DUMB!!! Hell... the worst advocate for any country or person - you are an embarassment to your country *lol*