Will there be a significant exodus from the military if Hillary becomes President?

[theking]

I was watching C-Span and they had a speaker on (whose name I have already forgot) that was speaking about his book War Crimes among other things...and he suggested that if Hillary becomes President/Commander in Chief there will be an exodus from the military as they will not serve under her.

I had not given any thought to this but now that I think about it there will definitely be an exodus (how significant I wouldn't venture to say) as there was under Bill's Presidency. The majority of the military (officer and enlisted) did not like him because of...primarily his draft dodging days...and there was an exodus but I do not think it was of any great significance. It is a fact though...that he would not visit certain military bases...because of a known srong disdain for him.

[After Shock Media]

um, nooooo
Many think bush is a fucking joke and he is actually getting them killed and still they aint running away.
Plus even though Clinton dodged he admitted it, what bush did was vile by comparrison.

[eroswebmaster]

this is laughable coming from someone who claimed they served in the military...those I know who served...did so because they served their country...not a particular person in office.

[theking]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

um, nooooo
Many think bush is a fucking joke and he is actually getting them killed and still they aint running away.
Plus even though Clinton dodged he admitted it, what bush did was vile by comparrison.

To my knowledge he never actually admitted that he was a "draft dodger".

The majority of soldiers do not mind serving in harms way and many are double and triple volunteers...in the sense that it is an all volunteer military...then many volunteer for extraordinary services that put them in greater harms way and then many volunteer to actually serve in harms way...sometimes repeatedly (these are the real warriors).

President Bush is not nearly as reviled by the military as President Clinton was. My brother was serving in the Marine Corps when the word went out that President Clinton was going to come to the base and many Marines actually stated that he would not leave the base alive. His visit was cancelled as the word got back to his people that he really was not welcome.

I suspect that some military will simply choose not to serve under a woman Commander in Chief as Combat Arms do not serve under woman in the military and they don't want to...though I suspect that at some point in time they will be required to.

[Phil]

Originally Posted by theking

I was watching C-Span and they had a speaker on (whose name I have already forgot) that was speaking about his book War Crimes among other things...and he suggested that if Hillary becomes President/Commander in Chief there will be an exodus from the military as they will not serve under her.

I had not given any thought to this but now that I think about it there will definitely be an exodus (how significant I wouldn't venture to say) as there was under Bill's Presidency. The majority of the military (officer and enlisted) did not like him because of...primarily his draft dodging days...and there was an exodus but I do not think it was of any great significance. It is a fact though...that he would not visit certain military bases...because of a known srong disdain for him.

Do you realize that majority of whats left in US Military has IQ below 60 thanks to “new drafting procedures” that was designed to get people to go directly to Iraq.

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by theking

President Bush is not nearly as reviled by the military as President Clinton was. My brother was serving in the Marine Corps when the word went out that President Clinton was going to come to the base and many Marines actually stated that he would not leave the base alive. His visit was cancelled as the word got back to his people that he really was not welcome.

First, that story is complete bullshit. This isn't Under Siege with Steven Segal. Second, we are already seeing a mass exodus from the military. It's why they've signifigantly lowered admission requirements and still can't meet their goals.

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by theking

To my knowledge he never actually admitted that he was a "draft dodger".

The majority of soldiers do not mind serving in harms way and many are double and triple volunteers...in the sense that it is an all volunteer military...then many volunteer for extraordinary services that put them in greater harms way and then many volunteer to actually serve in harms way...sometimes repeatedly (these are the real warriors).

President Bush is not nearly as reviled by the military as President Clinton was. My brother was serving in the Marine Corps when the word went out that President Clinton was going to come to the base and many Marines actually stated that he would not leave the base alive. His visit was cancelled as the word got back to his people that he really was not welcome.

I suspect that some military will simply choose not to serve under a woman Commander in Chief as Combat Arms do not serve under woman in the military and they don't want to...though I suspect that at some point in time they will be required to.

Officers maybe, general grunts and such hell no.
Plus right now the bush support is super fucking low, ive talked with enough on leave troops. They just feel obliged to serve. However they do feel very used with the whole aircraft carrier ordeal, as well as his silver spoon missing time served BS cover story and how he flacked Mccain during last election.

[theking]

Originally Posted by eroswebmaster

this is laughable coming from someone who claimed they served in the military...those I know who served...did so because they served their country...not a particular person in office.

They are of course serving in the service of their country...but in reality they serve one another and their Officers...commissioned and noncommissioned. There will be an exodus but as I stated I would not venture to say how significant...though I suspect it will not be very significant.

[theking]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

First, that story is complete bullshit. This isn't Under Siege with Steven Segal. Second, we are already seeing a mass exodus from the military. It's why they've signifigantly lowered admission requirements and still can't meet their goals.

The story is fact as related by my brother and he was there...you were not. Second there is not a mass exodus from the military. The reason that have lowered enlistment requirements is they are attempting to grow the end force and in order to do this they have lowered requirements and increased incentives.

[papill0n]

yawnnnnnnnn

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

I think if anything the military will get bigger.
When you think about it, Hillary will start a draw down in Iraq and the benefits of being enlisted is actually really great especially in non-wartime service.

I am assuming Hillary will draw down forces in Iraq, the Democrats are going to ride that ticket and I honestly think we goto draw down as well but keep a strong presence in Iraq.

So...
In effect I think the military will get bigger with her leading the country.

[theking]

Originally Posted by CAMOKAT

Do you realize that majority of whats left in US Military has IQ below 60 thanks to ?new drafting procedures? that was designed to get people to go directly to Iraq.

You of course are wrong. They have reduced the highschool graduation requirements to include GED's and they are waiverring certain misdeamors as well as certain medical problems. The Army is currently at 70% highschool graduations but this percentage will probably decrease until the end force goal is reached. There is nothing new about this policy of decreasing or increasing requirements. It has always been an ongoing off and on thing.

[theking]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

I think if anything the military will get bigger.
When you think about it, Hillary will start a draw down in Iraq and the benefits of being enlisted is actually really great especially in non-wartime service.

I am assuming Hillary will draw down forces in Iraq, the Democrats are going to ride that ticket and I honestly think we goto draw down as well but keep a strong presence in Iraq.

So...
In effect I think the military will get bigger with her leading the country.

She will probably draw down forces from Iraq dependent on what is going on at the time and assuming she becomes President (which is certainly not a done deal)...but she has stated that a very signifcant force will remain in Iraq for years to come...and I personally suspect that force will be between 50 and 100 thousand and will remain there for decades.

The military will definitely increase under her because the end force has already been increased by congress...but there will be some leave from those that are currently serving if she becomes Commander in Chief.

[waste]

Originally Posted by theking

I was watching C-Span and they had a speaker on (whose name I have already forgot) that was speaking about his book War Crimes among other things...and he suggested that if Hillary becomes President/Commander in Chief there will be an exodus from the military as they will not serve under her.

I had not given any thought to this but now that I think about it there will definitely be an exodus (how significant I wouldn't venture to say) as there was under Bill's Presidency. The majority of the military (officer and enlisted) did not like him because of...primarily his draft dodging days...and there was an exodus but I do not think it was of any great significance. It is a fact though...that he would not visit certain military bases...because of a known srong disdain for him.

Actually I servered from 2000-2006 and can say the reason alot of reenlistments didn't happen was because of the low pay raises (2.5%) and the fact there were no wars happening besides Bosnia, after Bush was in we got the money and the war which although we hated it cause it was in the worst possible region it still gave us career opportunities and more cash so if hillary plans on an Iraq pullout (no pun intended) the military would have to downsize.

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by theking

The story is fact as related by my brother and he was there...you were not.

Your word and your "brothers" word is probably worth shit around here. As I said, anyone who suggests that our military was planning an assasination of our President because "they didn't like him" is clueless. Stick to faking deaths on message boards.

Originally Posted by theking

Second there is not a mass exodus from the military. The reason that have lowered enlistment requirements is they are attempting to grow the end force and in order to do this they have lowered requirements and increased incentives.

There isn't?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7802712/

After that they had to lower the requirements to be accepted. They also started giving out huge bonuses. If there is no trouble recruiting, why are they so hell bent on keeping soldiers past their retirement age, why are they forcing them into extra and longer tours? Why are they giving immigrants a chance at citizenship by joining the army? Why are they recruiting gang members, allowing convicted felons in? These seem like things that would not be necessary if things were going all fine and dandy.

[DaddyHalbucks]

GWB is well regarded in the military. I would guess he has an approval rating there of nearly double his rating nationwide.

[waste]

Originally Posted by theking

To my knowledge he never actually admitted that he was a "draft dodger".

The majority of soldiers do not mind serving in harms way and many are double and triple volunteers...in the sense that it is an all volunteer military...then many volunteer for extraordinary services that put them in greater harms way and then many volunteer to actually serve in harms way...sometimes repeatedly (these are the real warriors).

President Bush is not nearly as reviled by the military as President Clinton was. My brother was serving in the Marine Corps when the word went out that President Clinton was going to come to the base and many Marines actually stated that he would not leave the base alive. His visit was cancelled as the word got back to his people that he really was not welcome.

I suspect that some military will simply choose not to serve under a woman Commander in Chief as Combat Arms do not serve under woman in the military and they don't want to...though I suspect that at some point in time they will be required to.

yea but thats what you get dealing with the marines (sorry but every other service hates them) and I have no problem serving under a woman aslong as she realizes that thats actually the hardest and worst job there is, believe me I served for 6 years, 2 of them overseas it blows donkeys and eventhough I've had the KBR and Blackwater offers it's the region I have a problem with not the leadership

[waste]

Originally Posted by CAMOKAT

Do you realize that majority of whats left in US Military has IQ below 60 thanks to ?new drafting procedures? that was designed to get people to go directly to Iraq.

umm fuck you! I have an IQ over 156 and a member of MENSA; I am not even a high school grad but thanks to the Army got a BS. thinking that members of the military do it because they are dumb is fucking retarded. My ASVAB scores were 89 AV and 136 GT and trust me that isn't super high for the people I severed with you need to realize your dealing with a different culture and not only a different breed

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

GWB is well regarded in the military. I would guess he has an approval rating there of nearly double his rating nationwide.

Actually it's not.

http://www.militarycity.com/polls/2006_main.php

[theking]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Your word and your "brothers" word is probably worth shit around here. As I said, anyone who suggests that our military was planning an assasination of our President because "they didn't like him" is clueless. Stick to faking deaths on message boards.



There isn't?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7802712/

After that they had to lower the requirements to be accepted. They also started giving out huge bonuses. If there is no trouble recruiting, why are they so hell bent on keeping soldiers past their retirement age, why are they forcing them into extra and longer tours? Why are they giving immigrants a chance at citizenship by joining the army? Why are they recruiting gang members, allowing convicted felons in? These seem like things that would not be necessary if things were going all fine and dandy.

No there isn't a mass exodus and the article does not state that there is. They are not meeting recruiting goals and one of the reasons they are not meeting recruiting goals is they are trying to increase the end force of the military as the end force has been raised by Congress.

They have always given legal immigrants a fast track to citizenship...this is not new. They do not knowingly enlist illegal immigrants. They are not accepting convicted felons but do now waiver certain misdemeanor. One may or may not be able to get a Presidential waiver for certain felonies (as one could during the second world war)...as I do not know if this has yet been reinstituted.

As for your other extraneous remarks...what ever floats your boat sport.

[After Shock Media]

I think im gone now hallbucks and king can have that republican dont ask dont tell naughty talk, stroking their cocks while staring at pictures of Ronald and GWB.

[waste]

Originally Posted by theking

You of course are wrong. They have reduced the highschool graduation requirements to include GED's and they are waiverring certain misdeamors as well as certain medical problems. The Army is currently at 70% highschool graduations but this percentage will probably decrease until the end force goal is reached. There is nothing new about this policy of decreasing or increasing requirements. It has always been an ongoing off and on thing.

Actually the Navy and Army have been decreasing enlistment requirements since 1998 thats actually how I got in without a HS diploma, but the thing people have to realize is that you don't need to graduate HS to be smart, I had to quit HS to take care of my family, make a mortgage payment and have enough cash to have a good time. I've been on my own since 16 and joined the military at 18 so I really think it's a better plan not to exclude someone because of their education.

[theking]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

I think im gone now hallbucks and king can have that republican dont ask dont tell naughty talk, stroking their cocks while staring at pictures of Ronald and GWB.

I am not now and have never been a member of the Republican party and I thought that President Ronald Reagan was possibly a worse President/Commander in Chief than President/Commander in Chief Bush. I have never been a fan of either of them...sport.

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by theking

I am not now and have never been a member of the Republican party and I thought that President Ronald Reagan was possibly a worse President/Commander in Chief than President/Commander in Chief Bush. I have never been a fan of either of them...sport.

Im poking you with a stick big boy. Expecting such a response btw.
Now will hallbucks melt down or not?

[waste]

Originally Posted by theking

No there isn't a mass exodus and the article does not state that there is. They are not meeting recruiting goals and one of the reasons they are not meeting recruiting goals is they are trying to increase the end force of the military as the end force has been raised by Congress.

They have always given legal immigrants a fast track to citizenship...this is not new. They do not knowingly enlist illegal immigrants. They are not accepting convicted felons but do now waiver certain misdemeanor. One may or may not be able to get a Presidential waiver for certain felonies (as one could during the second world war)...as I do not know if this has yet been reinstituted.

As for your other extraneous remarks...what ever floats your boat sport.

sorry brother even though I know your on my side I gotta tell you if you have 1 felony the Army will waiver that or up to 7 misdemeanors depending on what they were for.

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by theking

No there isn't a mass exodus and the article does not state that there is. They are not meeting recruiting goals and one of the reasons they are not meeting recruiting goals is they are trying to increase the end force of the military as the end force has been raised by Congress.

If that is what they are doing, why do they lower their recruiting goals? I would think if you are trying to increase the end force, you'd be increasing your goals?

Originally Posted by theking

They have always given legal immigrants a fast track to citizenship...this is not new. They do not knowingly enlist illegal immigrants. They are not accepting convicted felons but do now waiver certain misdemeanor. One may or may not be able to get a Presidential waiver for certain felonies (as one could during the second world war)...as I do not know if this has yet been reinstituted.

Convicted felons in the military is up 60% this year (over 1000 listed this year alread). Last year the military had 12% of its new enlistments with criminal backgrounds. These numbers are record highs for the military.

[theking]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Actually it's not.

http://www.militarycity.com/polls/2006_main.php

From the article that you posted.

"While approval of Bush?s han dling of the war has plunged, ap proval for his overall performance as president remains high at 52 percent. While that is down from his high of 71 percent in 2004, it is still far above the approval rat ings of the general population, where that number has fallen into the 30s."

52% overall approval rating by the military...compared to 30% + overall approval rating by the general population. Admittedly not fully twice as high but still above 50%.

[waste]

Originally Posted by theking

I am not now and have never been a member of the Republican party and I thought that President Ronald Reagan was possibly a worse President/Commander in Chief than President/Commander in Chief Bush. I have never been a fan of either of them...sport.

Fuckin A I'm a supporter of the only real president FDR the true mother fucker who gave up commander-in-chief cause it wasn't really his job, and put a fine finish on politics while fucking his wife's secretary.

[theking]

Originally Posted by waste

sorry brother even though I know your on my side I gotta tell you if you have 1 felony the Army will waiver that or up to 7 misdemeanors depending on what they were for.

Are you positive that it is an Army waiver for a felony or have they reinstituted the Presidential waiver as was instituted during the Second World War.

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by waste

Actually the Navy and Army have been decreasing enlistment requirements since 1998 thats actually how I got in without a HS diploma, but the thing people have to realize is that you don't need to graduate HS to be smart, I had to quit HS to take care of my family, make a mortgage payment and have enough cash to have a good time. I've been on my own since 16 and joined the military at 18 so I really think it's a better plan not to exclude someone because of their education.

I agree with you on the degree part. I think a degree is a horrible judge of one's intelligence. But I also think there should be some standards of intelligence to get in, and we shouldn't be compromising it. The active army recently lowered their requirements on qualification tests.

[waste]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

If that is what they are doing, why do they lower their recruiting goals? I would think if you are trying to increase the end force, you'd be increasing your goals?


Convicted felons in the military is up 60% this year (over 1000 listed this year alread). Last year the military had 12% of its new enlistments with criminal backgrounds. These numbers are record highs for the military.

what you are forgetting is that this includes juvenile criminal records which I'm sorry to say includes me and many other GI's who have made mistakes when they were young. but you also have to think this is a different army then the go to war or go to jail army of the '80's these people are already convicted and don't have that choice.

[theking]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

If that is what they are doing, why do they lower their recruiting goals? I would think if you are trying to increase the end force, you'd be increasing your goals?


Convicted felons in the military is up 60% this year (over 1000 listed this year alread). Last year the military had 12% of its new enlistments with criminal backgrounds. These numbers are record highs for the military.

They do not lower their recruiting goals they lower their enlistment requirements to grow the size of the military. I think the current goal is to increase the end force by approximately 100,000...but I suspect this will increase as other hotspots develop.

What is the source for convicted felons. BTW...criminal backgrounds include traffic violations among other things.

[waste]

Originally Posted by theking

Are you positive that it is an Army waiver for a felony or have they reinstituted the Presidential waiver as was instituted during the Second World War.

very sure, actually when i first went in they wouldn't accept my buddy cause he had a robbery charge and next thing ya know in 2004 "oh yea we can work with you now because we got this memo from brigade" it was given in 2004 because of lower than expect enlistment goals for 3 years straight.

[theking]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

I agree with you on the degree part. I think a degree is a horrible judge of one's intelligence. But I also think there should be some standards of intelligence to get in, and we shouldn't be compromising it. The active army recently lowered their requirements on qualification tests.

At one point one had to have a highschool diploma to enlist...GED's were not acceptable...but it is not just a matter of intelligence or academics. Studies done by the military showed that those that had stuck with it and completed Highschool were more likely to complete their military contracts. BTW testing requirements can only be reduced to a certain level as todays military is quite technical...even the basic Infantry Rifleman has to deal with technical equipment of various types.

[GreyWolf]

Hillary is well known for her war crimes - she started at age five and although only 84 actual war crimes have been proven, there are another 56 where she is a suspected prime instigator.

Of course there will be an exodus from the military. Hillary loves to peek at Bill's ankles and has Giorgio Armani designing military skirts - to be worn by all personnel and enable the President/Commander-in-Chief to have an ankle view.

You can have preview of the new military fashion collection during the Westpoint Fashion Week in December - got my tickets aleady. Would not miss that.

With such a fetish over all things military, you need to attend General - I'm sure they could arrange that you model the officers frilly panty collection

[theking]

Originally Posted by GreyWolf

Hillary is well known for her war crimes - she started at age five and although only 84 actual war crimes have been proven, there are another 56 where she is a suspected prime instigator.

Of course there will be an exodus from the military. Hillary loves to peek at Bill's ankles and has Giorgio Armani designing military skirts - to be worn by all personnel and enable the President/Commander-in-Chief to have an ankle view.

You can have preview of the new military fashion collection during the Westpoint Fashion Week in December - got my tickets aleady. Would not miss that.

With such a fetish over all things military, you need to attend General - I'm sure they could arrange that you model the officers frilly panty collection

Among many things a comedian you are not...now isn't that true Webby?

[tony286]

My cousins husband is going back ,they kept offering him more and more money.He is in his late forties, his job is going to be to get others who left like him to come back.

http://politicalinquirer.com/2007/10...ense-industry/

[Wizzo]

Regardless of who wins, the economy is heading towards a major recession, which is always good for military increasing recruits...

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by theking

I was watching C-Span and they had a speaker on (whose name I have already forgot) that was speaking about his book War Crimes among other things...and he suggested that if Hillary becomes President/Commander in Chief there will be an exodus from the military as they will not serve under her.

I had not given any thought to this but now that I think about it there will definitely be an exodus (how significant I wouldn't venture to say) as there was under Bill's Presidency. The majority of the military (officer and enlisted) did not like him because of...primarily his draft dodging days...and there was an exodus but I do not think it was of any great significance. It is a fact though...that he would not visit certain military bases...because of a known srong disdain for him.

don't worry there will be enough incompetent ass kisser to fill the void in the hierarchy...

[sumphatpimp]

get your head out of your ass, by the time the next President gets in office we will be in Iran and their will be a draft.
and it won't be Hillary or Obama.

[mistergardener]

^^ yea right.

[DaddyHalbucks]

Hillary is the worst case scenario.

[CheneyRumsfeld]

the draft gives equal opportunity for everyone!

[GreyWolf]

Originally Posted by theking

Among many things a comedian you are not...

Comedian?? Moi??

There is no comedy in watching Pathfinder model frilly panties - that is one thing you are 100% assured of

Damn.. you are an embarrassment to military personnel worldwide - seek a shrink.

[IllTestYourGirls]

They serve the constitution not the country or president. If Hillary starts another unconstitutional war I say they have every right to leave. 1 is enough

Originally Posted by eroswebmaster

this is laughable coming from someone who claimed they served in the military...those I know who served...did so because they served their country...not a particular person in office.

[D]

I'm sure there are female officers speckled throughout the military, and the soldiers serve under them with no problem.

That said, the only thing that stopped me from joining the military in 2001 was that GWB was the Commander-in-chief, and I didn't trust him enough to sign myself over to his pleasure. I'm sure there are some individuals that will have a problem with Hilary as commander-in-chief, and would either not sign up, or leave at their first opportunity... but if they're doing it only because she's a "woman," they have issues, imho.

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Hillary is the worst case scenario.

I would agree. Going back to a Clinton administration where we all made a shitload of money would really suck.

[theking]

Originally Posted by D

I'm sure there are female officers speckled throughout the military, and the soldiers serve under them with no problem.

That said, the only thing that stopped me from joining the military in 2001 was that GWB was the Commander-in-chief, and I didn't trust him enough to sign myself over to his pleasure. I'm sure there are some individuals that will have a problem with Hilary as commander-in-chief, and would either not sign up, or leave at their first opportunity... but if they're doing it only because she's a "woman," they have issues, imho.

No female officers serve in Combat Arms.

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by CAMOKAT

Do you realize that majority of whats left in US Military has IQ below 60 thanks to ?new drafting procedures? that was designed to get people to go directly to Iraq.

Can someone with an IQ below 60 even find their way out of a room with 3 exits?


I'm inclined to think you are exagerating. :D

[collegeboobies]

no there will be no exodus. Many countries have women running them.