Photographers - Question about poses

[B_Maverick]

1. When shooting a lesbian photo set, why do you frequently have the models look at the camera from un-natural postions?

2. Why do you have the models look at the camera at all?

In my humble opinion, any photos/videos that contain models having "sex" should be shot from the perspective of the models interacting with each other, instead of constantly interacting with the camera.

I completely agree that "solo" models should flirt with the camera...but the whole point of a "couple" is that they are focused on each other.

That having been said, I dont' have a problem with an occaisional "flirty" glance...but I reject many many photo sets simply because 50% or more of the photos are nothing but lesbians posing for the camera instead of interacting with each other.

By the way...if you are a photographer who agrees with me and would like to talk business...please ring me.

[johnny o]

i concur

[johnny o]

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by B_Maverick

1. When shooting a lesbian photo set, why do you frequently have the models look at the camera from un-natural postions?

2. Why do you have the models look at the camera at all?

In my humble opinion, any photos/videos that contain models having "sex" should be shot from the perspective of the models interacting with each other, instead of constantly interacting with the camera.

I completely agree that "solo" models should flirt with the camera...but the whole point of a "couple" is that they are focused on each other.

That having been said, I dont' have a problem with an occaisional "flirty" glance...but I reject many many photo sets simply because 50% or more of the photos are nothing but lesbians posing for the camera instead of interacting with each other.

By the way...if you are a photographer who agrees with me and would like to talk business...please ring me.

this isn't a photography forum, this is a pornography forum. that should clear it up for you. -bmb

[B_Maverick]

Originally Posted by bm bradley

this isn't a photography forum, this is a pornography forum. that should clear it up for you. -bmb

That statement doesn't really clarify anything.

My focus is on business...and providing a high quality product to my consumers.

[Shok]

mmmmmmmmm

[tranza]

I actually like to see pictures of the girls looking straight at the cameras.

It interacts with the user/surfer.

[YDG]

As a photographer of 7 years, and a paysite owner of 10 years, I'd say you would be crazy to shoot 2 girls without
'lots' of looking at the camera.

Imagine yourself the viewer, looking at the pics.

They want to think 'hey i'm part of this, the girls want me'
not 'the girls are into themselves and cant give a flying fuck about me'

It drives me crazy when our photographers shoot girl-girl without lots of eyes focused on the camera shots, the sets are useless!

Look at these pics, do they arouse, or turn off ??





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I shot all those sets myself, and made sure the girls had as much eye contact with the lens as possible.

[B_Maverick]

Originally Posted by YDG

As a photographer of 7 years, and a paysite owner of 10 years, I'd say you would be crazy to shoot 2 girls without
'lots' of looking at the camera.

Imagine yourself the viewer, looking at the pics.

They want to think 'hey i'm part of this, the girls want me'
not 'the girls are into themselves and cant give a flying fuck about me'

It drives me crazy when our photographers shoot girl-girl without lots of eyes focused on the camera shots, the sets are useless!

Look at these pics, do they arouse, or turn off ??


I shot all those sets myself, and made sure the girls had as much eye contact with the lens as possible.

Okay...bear this in mind. It is not my intent to start "drama", or "conflict"...

I personally find all of those pics to be a turn off. If they were solo girls, then I would have the opposite opinion.

I simply disagree that the girls (in multi-girl sets) should have as much eye contact with the lens as possible. In fact, my opinion is exactly the opposite.

Again...not starting drama...just disagreeing with you.

[MaDalton]

i agree - in lesbian scenes the girls should be into each other - not into the camera. although it's sometimes hard to maintain since other photographers tell them to do the opposite. but i personally think there's nothing more sexy than 2 girls (or more ;) ) that are passionately kissing each other without noticing what is happening around them. but at the end we shoot what our clients demand from us

[B_Maverick]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i agree - in lesbian scenes the girls should be into each other - not into the camera. although it's sometimes hard to maintain since other photographers tell them to do the opposite. but i personally think there's nothing more sexy than 2 girls (or more ;) ) that are passionately kissing each other without noticing what is happening around them. but at the end we shoot what our clients demand from us

I will be checking your site and will be in contact if I see stuff I like. It sounds like we are on the same page!

[Kevin Marx]

If it's a g/g thing, I don't thik you can completely leave out the camera interaction, just don't make it a focus of what's happening. After all, if you are lucky enough to see two girls live, don't you want them interacting with you some? If they ignore you completely, it's just a "live" video feed pretty much.

I want the girls into each other, but don't forget about me watching... keep me involved and its 1000 times better

[JP-pornshooter]

why stop at g/g shoots.. what about b/g ? isnt it the same, dont forget to make sure the stud makes eye contact with the camera... lol.

ok shit aside but i find it hot if the girl looks longingly at the camera as a sexual act is performed on her..kinda saying "see what i like.." that being said i always have the girl look at her partner more often than into the lens.. in my opinion it is not a black/white issue, it is a grey area where nothing is always right or wrong..

[latinasojourn]

if you count clicks you will find that surfers will click on links that engage them emotionally.

and from a pure conversion standpoint (business) the right provocative look into the lens gets way more clicks than no eye contact.

[B_Maverick]

Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter

why stop at g/g shoots.. what about b/g ? isnt it the same, dont forget to make sure the stud makes eye contact with the camera... lol.

ok shit aside but i find it hot if the girl looks longingly at the camera as a sexual act is performed on her..kinda saying "see what i like.." that being said i always have the girl look at her partner more often than into the lens.. in my opinion it is not a black/white issue, it is a grey area where nothing is always right or wrong..

I completely agree that it is a grey area...and more art than science.

As for g/g vs. b/g...there is no difference. It is the same...my site is simply all g/g...so that's why I focus on that.

[JP-pornshooter]

Originally Posted by B_Maverick

I completely agree that it is a grey area...and more art than science.

As for g/g vs. b/g...there is no difference. It is the same...my site is simply all g/g...so that's why I focus on that.

i learned from a chief editor for a mens magazines..the rules for what sells hasnt changed, just the medium...
in case we can talk business, please contact me at xvidguy at yahoo dot com so i can show you some of my work.

[tony286]

I hate girl girl when they looked at the camera, it screams posed. I prefer for them to go at it and I find the shot like the news does. So the viewer is like a fly on the wall.

[shekinah]

That's sweet!

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by tony404

I hate girl girl when they looked at the camera, it screams posed. I prefer for them to go at it and I find the shot like the news does. So the viewer is like a fly on the wall.

In Hollywood or theatre stage terms its referred to as 'breaking the fourth wall'.

The fly on the wall approach is also what I prefer. I'd sooner have a model act as though she's unaware of the camera's presence, and I often instruct our models to purposely avoid looking in to the camera. I won't say I completely dislike eye contact with the lens, but after a while it gets a little insipid and unnatural so I tend to limit it as much as possible.

Either way, both sides of the coin are highly subjective to each individual viewer and producer.

[BV]

a lot of misinformation in this thread

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by B_Maverick

1. When shooting a lesbian photo set, why do you frequently have the models look at the camera from un-natural postions?

2. Why do you have the models look at the camera at all?

In my humble opinion, any photos/videos that contain models having "sex" should be shot from the perspective of the models interacting with each other, instead of constantly interacting with the camera.

I completely agree that "solo" models should flirt with the camera...but the whole point of a "couple" is that they are focused on each other.

That having been said, I dont' have a problem with an occaisional "flirty" glance...but I reject many many photo sets simply because 50% or more of the photos are nothing but lesbians posing for the camera instead of interacting with each other.

By the way...if you are a photographer who agrees with me and would like to talk business...please ring me.

I just needed to um point out the irony of reading this post and then viewing your signature.

[alexxx]

Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter

in my opinion it is not a black/white issue, it is a grey area where nothing is always right or wrong..

[tony286]

In the end however you shoot it and it sells thats all that matters.

[papill0n]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i agree - in lesbian scenes the girls should be into each other - not into the camera. although it's sometimes hard to maintain since other photographers tell them to do the opposite. but i personally think there's nothing more sexy than 2 girls (or more ;) ) that are passionately kissing each other without noticing what is happening around them. but at the end we shoot what our clients demand from us

Agreed 100%

[F-U-Jimmy]

Here's my
No matter if it's a B/G or G/G set there are some times its important for at least one talent to be looking straight at the camera. For example when a guy is giving it to a girl from the rear its important to get some shots of the girls face with the guy in the background. She should have eye contact with the camera and if she's a good model will convey a sense of sexual ecstasy or agony depending on the clients requirements. In a shoot I would say I do about 10 - 20% of the images with eye contact where it conveys a strong sexual feeling to the viewer and involves them in the act.

[AllStar]

Well when you start ordering content you can tell the shooter what you want.

If you are buying non-exclusive the shooter has to shoot a variety of stuff cause everybody wants something different.

And most content buyers specifically ask for shots of the girls looking at the camera.

However I personally just like to see 2 girls go at it. Way hotter!

[RevSand]

I agree... I think when the girls are really into it and each other its a hotter scene.. Thats what I also instruct the girls to do most the time... Altho at times breaking the "fourth wall" (as silentknight said) in small spots to "invite the viewer" into the action does add an extra element to the scene that you cannot put a price on.

[B_Maverick]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

I just needed to um point out the irony of reading this post and then viewing your signature.

Note my comment that the "occaisional flirty glance" is fine...and then note that my sig is an example of an "occaisional flirty glance"..lol

[everestcash]

Originally Posted by johnny o

i concur

amazing picture

[vidvicious]

Depends on the target audience.

The way i like to work is 70 -30% split ... when shooting Lesbian action scene. If I'm shooting pov or Gonzo the ratios is changed in the other direction 70% eyes on the lens 30 % eyes on eachother

The reason is simple .. If I were shooting a pro or Pro am scene the models would never look at the camera or cameraman .. where as for gonzo or POV that would be the complete oppisite .. pretty self explanitory if you ask me ...

So why the 30% eyes on lens when shooting Pro or Pro am .. simple .. selling point .. The yees on cam shots would be used for Promo, desing, advertising .. where as the left over 70% would be used for galleries, members area or Extras on DVDs.

Always shoot according to your targat audience/cliente. and keep a nice ratio in your poses that will allow for more freedom when selling the product.

[vidvicious]

another example would be shooting teens .. If you just shoot the teen getting naked and then doin the actions, you've limited your clients use of the pics for promo, galleries ..etc ..
however if you a ratio when shooting say a 200 pic set .. as follows .. Ie: 30% fully dressed, 30% nude no pink, 30% nude with pink and 10% hardcore with penetration . you now have a set of pics that can be used to promote in Non nude, nude, softcore and hardcore galleries.

Maximisation of your content is the KEY !

[JP-pornshooter]

Originally Posted by everestcash

amazing picture

yes it is nice, very nice use of digital filter in post production, i think, johnny o pls feel free to comment..

[johnny o]

Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter

yes it is nice, very nice use of digital filter in post production, i think, johnny o pls feel free to comment..

no filtration whatsoever, only added the sepia in post.

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by B_Maverick

Note my comment that the "occaisional flirty glance" is fine...and then note that my sig is an example of an "occaisional flirty glance"..lol

I feel ya, I just found it funny.