Fed Chief Warns of Worse Times in the Economy - GoFuckYourself.com

Barefootsies · 11-08-2007, 09:02 PM

WASHINGTON, Nov. 8 ? Ben S. Bernanke, chairman of the Federal Reserve, told Congress on Thursday that the economy was going to get worse before it got better, a message that received a chilly reception from both Wall Street and politicians.

On a day when stock prices swung wildly, the dollar hit another new low against the euro and further signs emerged from retailers that consumers are growing more cautious about spending, Mr. Bernanke warned that the economy was about to ?slow noticeably? as the housing market continues to spiral downward and financial institutions tighten up on lending.

But in a disappointment to investors, Mr. Bernanke offered no signal that the central bank might soften the blow by lowering interest rates for a third time this year at its next policy meeting on Dec. 11.

Share prices, which plunged on Wednesday, went on a roller coaster after Mr. Bernanke testified. The Dow Jones industrial average first fell 205 points by midafternoon, but then clawed back most of the way and ended the day at 13,266.29, down just 34 points.

Testifying before the Joint Economic Committee, the Fed chairman said that the two rate cuts in September and October should be enough to keep the economy from slipping into a recession. Without being specific, he reinforced statements by other Fed policy makers that the economy would have to show signs of stalling out entirely before they would reduce rates again.

Asked if he saw any risks of a recession, Mr. Bernanke demurred. ?We have not calculated the probability of a recession,? he responded. ?Our assessment is for slower growth, but positive.?

The Fed chairman?s stance was similar to that of Henry M. Paulson Jr., the Treasury secretary. In a meeting Thursday with editors and reporters of The New York Times, Mr. Paulson predicted that the crisis in mortgage and credit markets would hurt growth but not lead to a recession.

?I believe we will continue to grow,? Mr. Paulson said. ?We have a diversified economy.?

Mr. Bernanke?s message did not sit well with Wall Street analysts, who quickly criticized him for ignoring the real risk of a serious downturn. And at least one Republican, Senator Sam Brownback of Kansas, begged him at length to cut rates as soon as possible.

But Fed officials are far from persuaded of the need, even though some now expect economic growth to slow to an annual pace of 1.5 percent or less in the final months of this year ? a drastic downshift from the rapid pace of almost 4 percent this summer.

Mr. Bernanke offered a rocky outlook for the months ahead. He said the battered housing market had yet to hit bottom, that delinquencies and foreclosures were likely to rise and that the depression in home-building was ?likely to intensify.? He predicted that personal spending would advance more slowly, because consumers were less confident and because of tighter credit conditions.

On top of all that, he said, ?further sharp increases in crude oil prices have put renewed upward pressure on inflation and may impose further restraint on economic activity.? Oil traded just above $95 a barrel on Thursday, down slightly from the day before but still near its recent record highs.

Despite all these worrying signs, Mr. Bernanke noted that the economic data since the Fed reduced interest rates last week ?continued to suggest that the overall economy remained resilient in recent months.?

?The cumulative easing of policy over the past two months should help forestall some of the adverse effects on the broader economy,? he said.

Wall Street analysts and anxious investors took little comfort in the chairman?s remarks.

?Mr. Bernanke gave no ground to the market?s desire for further easing,? wrote Ian Shepherdson, chief United States economist at High Frequency Economics in Valhalla, N.Y.

But Mr. Shepherdson and a number of other analysts predicted that the economy would slow much more than Mr. Bernanke expects and force the Fed?s hand.

Paul Ashworth, an economist at Capital Economics in London, predicted that the economy would be ?stagnant at best? in the final quarter of this year.

?The only question is whether there is enough evidence of this slowdown available by mid-December ? or whether we will have to wait until January for the next cut,? Mr. Ashworth wrote in a research note.

David Rosenberg, Merrill Lynch?s chief economist for the United States, predicted that the housing market would not hit bottom by the end of next year. Noting that the Fed chairman said he would ?act as needed,? Mr. Rosenberg said Mr. Bernanke had left the door open to more rate cuts.

At the hearing, Senator Charles E. Schumer of New York, chairman of the Joint Economic Committee, urged Mr. Bernanke to act more aggressively to stimulate the economy. ?I?m very concerned that there may be a bigger storm on the horizon,? he said.

But Mr. Bernanke refused to budge. Indeed, he referred first to the Fed?s attention to ?price stability? and second to its interest in ?sustainable growth.?

That did little to cheer lawmakers. In an early sign of the political pressure that the Fed is likely to face if the economy falters next year, Senator Brownback, who recently abandoned his Republican campaign for president, pleaded with Mr. Bernanke to cut rates in time for the Christmas shopping season.

?It seems to me that now is the time,? Mr. Brownback said. ?When those gas prices get up to $3 a gallon, it seems to hit some sort of psychological point in consumer?s mind that ?I have less to spend,? and that?s a reality for them.?

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/09/business/09fed.html

amateurcanada · 11-08-2007, 09:04 PM

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Barefootsies · 11-08-2007, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by amateurcanada

*tear* lol

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xmas13 · 11-08-2007, 09:35 PM

I hate the Federal Reserve.

marketsmart · 11-08-2007, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by xmas13

I hate the Federal Reserve.

do you know that the federal reserve is not a govt entity? it is seperate from the govt and actually charges the us govt interest on the money it prints and releases into the economy...

Barefootsies · 11-08-2007, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart

do you know that the federal reserve is not a govt entity? it is seperate from the govt and actually charges the us govt interest on the money it prints and releases into the economy...

Yes.

The GFY tinfoil hat club have had a field day on this issue in the past.

woj · 11-08-2007, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Yes.

The GFY tinfoil hat club have had a field day on this issue in the past.

Barefootsies · 11-09-2007, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by woj

sumphatpimp · 11-09-2007, 09:22 AM

I liked it better when Greenspan talked in riddles and no one knew what the hell was going on.
At least you thought all was good.

thonglife · 11-09-2007, 09:32 AM

US market tanking again today. Great for short sellers

11-08-2007, 09:02 PM	#1
Barefootsies Choice is an Illusion Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Land of Obama Posts: 42,635	Fed Chief Warns of Worse Times in the Economy WASHINGTON, Nov. 8 ? Ben S. Bernanke, chairman of the Federal Reserve, told Congress on Thursday that the economy was going to get worse before it got better, a message that received a chilly reception from both Wall Street and politicians. On a day when stock prices swung wildly, the dollar hit another new low against the euro and further signs emerged from retailers that consumers are growing more cautious about spending, Mr. Bernanke warned that the economy was about to ?slow noticeably? as the housing market continues to spiral downward and financial institutions tighten up on lending. But in a disappointment to investors, Mr. Bernanke offered no signal that the central bank might soften the blow by lowering interest rates for a third time this year at its next policy meeting on Dec. 11. Share prices, which plunged on Wednesday, went on a roller coaster after Mr. Bernanke testified. The Dow Jones industrial average first fell 205 points by midafternoon, but then clawed back most of the way and ended the day at 13,266.29, down just 34 points. Testifying before the Joint Economic Committee, the Fed chairman said that the two rate cuts in September and October should be enough to keep the economy from slipping into a recession. Without being specific, he reinforced statements by other Fed policy makers that the economy would have to show signs of stalling out entirely before they would reduce rates again. Asked if he saw any risks of a recession, Mr. Bernanke demurred. ?We have not calculated the probability of a recession,? he responded. ?Our assessment is for slower growth, but positive.? The Fed chairman?s stance was similar to that of Henry M. Paulson Jr., the Treasury secretary. In a meeting Thursday with editors and reporters of The New York Times, Mr. Paulson predicted that the crisis in mortgage and credit markets would hurt growth but not lead to a recession. ?I believe we will continue to grow,? Mr. Paulson said. ?We have a diversified economy.? Mr. Bernanke?s message did not sit well with Wall Street analysts, who quickly criticized him for ignoring the real risk of a serious downturn. And at least one Republican, Senator Sam Brownback of Kansas, begged him at length to cut rates as soon as possible. But Fed officials are far from persuaded of the need, even though some now expect economic growth to slow to an annual pace of 1.5 percent or less in the final months of this year ? a drastic downshift from the rapid pace of almost 4 percent this summer. Mr. Bernanke offered a rocky outlook for the months ahead. He said the battered housing market had yet to hit bottom, that delinquencies and foreclosures were likely to rise and that the depression in home-building was ?likely to intensify.? He predicted that personal spending would advance more slowly, because consumers were less confident and because of tighter credit conditions. On top of all that, he said, ?further sharp increases in crude oil prices have put renewed upward pressure on inflation and may impose further restraint on economic activity.? Oil traded just above $95 a barrel on Thursday, down slightly from the day before but still near its recent record highs. Despite all these worrying signs, Mr. Bernanke noted that the economic data since the Fed reduced interest rates last week ?continued to suggest that the overall economy remained resilient in recent months.? ?The cumulative easing of policy over the past two months should help forestall some of the adverse effects on the broader economy,? he said. Wall Street analysts and anxious investors took little comfort in the chairman?s remarks. ?Mr. Bernanke gave no ground to the market?s desire for further easing,? wrote Ian Shepherdson, chief United States economist at High Frequency Economics in Valhalla, N.Y. But Mr. Shepherdson and a number of other analysts predicted that the economy would slow much more than Mr. Bernanke expects and force the Fed?s hand. Paul Ashworth, an economist at Capital Economics in London, predicted that the economy would be ?stagnant at best? in the final quarter of this year. ?The only question is whether there is enough evidence of this slowdown available by mid-December ? or whether we will have to wait until January for the next cut,? Mr. Ashworth wrote in a research note. David Rosenberg, Merrill Lynch?s chief economist for the United States, predicted that the housing market would not hit bottom by the end of next year. Noting that the Fed chairman said he would ?act as needed,? Mr. Rosenberg said Mr. Bernanke had left the door open to more rate cuts. At the hearing, Senator Charles E. Schumer of New York, chairman of the Joint Economic Committee, urged Mr. Bernanke to act more aggressively to stimulate the economy. ?I?m very concerned that there may be a bigger storm on the horizon,? he said. But Mr. Bernanke refused to budge. Indeed, he referred first to the Fed?s attention to ?price stability? and second to its interest in ?sustainable growth.? That did little to cheer lawmakers. In an early sign of the political pressure that the Fed is likely to face if the economy falters next year, Senator Brownback, who recently abandoned his Republican campaign for president, pleaded with Mr. Bernanke to cut rates in time for the Christmas shopping season. ?It seems to me that now is the time,? Mr. Brownback said. ?When those gas prices get up to $3 a gallon, it seems to hit some sort of psychological point in consumer?s mind that ?I have less to spend,? and that?s a reality for them.? http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/09/business/09fed.html __________________ Should You Email Your Members? Link1 \| Link2 \| Link3 Enough Said. "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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