Ron Paul's poll numbers about to go up

[ADL Colin]

The latest Gallup Poll has Ron Paul down to 1% crashing from 5% in mid October.

He was not included in the latest AP poll at all. Maybe he is part of "other" at 2%.

Maybe if his campaigners work really hard and he buys some really killer TV ads he will get back to 5% or so.

He can't do worse. Like I said; "Ron Paul's poll numbers about to go up".

[fuzebox]

I wonder if it was from all the fucking spam with his name on it? I know I wouldn't vote for him after that...

[Juicy D. Links]

yay/nay on 2day at 2 pm

[charlie g]

Why do people want the government running their lives? I don't think it's a bit funny that someone with original thinking cant even be considered for president. I guess if he were to bend over and take it from the party leaders and then suck some pac cock for money he would be "our kind of guy". The same bastards that complain about the state of the US are the same ones that make fun of R.Paul and I laugh at YOU. Fucking bunch of sheep. Yeah, that Constitution is funny, we dont need to pay any attention to that. Taxes, yea, pay them and dont worry how these fuckers are sticking it in their pockets while we play wii and jerkoff to Golden Girl reruns. It is hilarious that we keep sliding downhill. Cant wait for that shrew to accelerate the slide and we fucking hit rock bottom. Maybe then all us fat lazy fucking morons hooked on zoloft and valium will wake the fuck up and start hanging fucking politicians-democrat and republican alike. So let's get another shot of jack, pop a few valium, watch the golden girls and get ready for the ride down.

[RawAlex]

Charlie, you are mistaking someone saying "your all wrong" with someone who has an answer. Getting rid of the UN, the IRS, support to foreign countries, and all of that is easy to say, it is easy to say "we will save billions of dollars every year and get the government out of your life", but what is it replaced with?

Ron Paul is suggesting nothing short of a worldwide power vacuum that would be rapidly filled with radical muslims and many other less than savory groups.

Ron Paul isn't a man with answers, he is a man who didn't even truly understand the questions.

[ADL Colin]

Originally Posted by charlie g

Why do people want the government running their lives? I don't think it's a bit funny that someone with original thinking cant even be considered for president. I guess if he were to bend over and take it from the party leaders and then suck some pac cock for money he would be "our kind of guy". The same bastards that complain about the state of the US are the same ones that make fun of R.Paul and I laugh at YOU. Fucking bunch of sheep. Yeah, that Constitution is funny, we dont need to pay any attention to that. Taxes, yea, pay them and dont worry how these fuckers are sticking it in their pockets while we play wii and jerkoff to Golden Girl reruns. It is hilarious that we keep sliding downhill. Cant wait for that shrew to accelerate the slide and we fucking hit rock bottom. Maybe then all us fat lazy fucking morons hooked on zoloft and valium will wake the fuck up and start hanging fucking politicians-democrat and republican alike. So let's get another shot of jack, pop a few valium, watch the golden girls and get ready for the ride down.

I actually agree with quite a bit of what the Libertarian Party (*Cough* I mean Republican Ron Paul) believes in; some in practice and some in principal. However a society needs to be somewhat consistent so that people, businesses etc can plan their lives. For better or worse millions of people have planned their lives around continuing social security, medicare, medicaid, prescription drug plans and so on. i would rather these programs never have started and wouldn't mind seeing them scaled back but abolishing the IRS will create an untold nightmare for tens of millions of people.

Now, in sum, I don't like Giuliani or Clinton anymore than I like Ron Paul. Ron Paul isn't going to be able to abolish the IRS or the Federal Reserve even if he did become president. And Giuliani isn't likely going to be able to close down all porn websites (guy has quite the record of closing adult businesses). But the guy is highly unlikely to win and if you think so well, you are the one who should be laughed at.

"In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is." - Yogi Berra or someone like him.

[ADL Colin]

Originally Posted by charlie g

Why do people want the government running their lives? I don't think it's a bit funny that someone with original thinking cant even be considered for president.

Oh, and I hardly call Ron Paul an "original thinker". All the ideas advocated by him are fairly popular in libertarian circles or among the Austrian school of economics. Ron Paul is as "original thinking" a Libertarian/Austrian as Hillary Clinton is an "original thinking" Democrat.

[pocketkangaroo]

His numbers are low because he's in the Republican primary. The Republican party isn't really about the things Paul is about these days. They care about killing muslims and shit, not freedom.

[Shagbunny]

for the life of me i can't understand what a cocksucker like giuliani is doing leading the republicans, he fucking scares me and i'm canadian!

[xroach]

they only call registered republicans who voted in the last election. last election was the the lowest republican turnout in history at 6%. only people with landlines that bothered to go vote for bush who was running unopposed are being called, and fed a rigged poll.

[ADL Colin]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

His numbers are low because he's in the Republican primary. The Republican party isn't really about the things Paul is about these days. They care about killing muslims and shit, not freedom.

Versus what though? Being in the Libertarian Party? I think the best a Libertarian Candidate has ever done is 1% or so.

If you get 2% of the Republican votes, what % of the Democrats would you need to win?

He's just not very electable and he is too "out there". Loved by Libertarians, Austrians and College students. Not exactly a recipe for election.

[charlie g]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Charlie, you are mistaking someone saying "your all wrong" with someone who has an answer. Getting rid of the UN, the IRS, support to foreign countries, and all of that is easy to say, it is easy to say "we will save billions of dollars every year and get the government out of your life", but what is it replaced with?

Ron Paul is suggesting nothing short of a worldwide power vacuum that would be rapidly filled with radical muslims and many other less than savory groups.

Ron Paul isn't a man with answers, he is a man who didn't even truly understand the questions.

I respect your opinion Alex. I think some of those questions are based upon flawed logic and a skewed perspective. The UN has done very little in the effort to spread peace-IMO. What it has done is put the US in a no win position and wedged our interests against our allies in many situations. We are damned if we do and damned if we don't. Either we are doing too much or not enough and the US is wrong and evil. Much of the blame for 9-11 was was leveled against our meddling in ME affairs. I don't think we should pull out of the UN altogether, but I don't think our national sovereignty should ever be comprimised to people whom want us to fail.

The IRS could go away tomorrow and the country would be so much better off. Especially the middle class who actually bear the brunt of most taxation. There is no reason in the world a flat tax or consumption tax wouldn't work. The IRS is nothing more than a social engineering platform devised by politicians to control the masses beahiour. Take the time to read about how the IRS can come in and take everything people have worked for and they dont have to prove a thing. Look at the federal conviction rates and tell me if you can fight our government. The government would still need a collection oversight arm to make sure there was compliance with the tax, but it would be clear to everyone what was owed and why. Also, the rich would finally start actually paying taxes(think of that).

There is about to be a power vacuum anyway. The US can not continue to spend the way we have. The way we are headed, our currency will be better suited for wallpaper and we will be powerless. There are no fiscal controls by these clowns we currently have and no desire to stop WASTING money,

And yes, R.Paul might not be the man with the answers. But I believe he understands the questions much better than most. The path our nation is heading leads to disaster. You can only spend more than you take in for so long. You can only meddle in other countries business for so long. You can only bullshit your people for so long. The day is coming when the collective "we" are going to have to look in the mirror and see the truth. Ron Paul may not be tha answer anyone is looking for.... BUT HE AINT PART OF THE PROBLEM.

[charlie g]

Originally Posted by ADL Colin

Oh, and I hardly call Ron Paul an "original thinker". All the ideas advocated by him are fairly popular in libertarian circles or among the Austrian school of economics. Ron Paul is as "original thinking" a Libertarian/Austrian as Hillary Clinton is an "original thinking" Democrat.

His thinking is original compared to our "major" choices.

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by ADL Colin

Versus what though? Being in the Libertarian Party? I think the best a Libertarian Candidate has ever done is 1% or so.

If you get 2% of the Republican votes, what % of the Democrats would you need to win?

He's just not very electable and he is too "out there". Loved by Libertarians, Austrians and College students. Not exactly a recipe for election.

He is a better fit for the Libertarian party, but the two parties in power have made it impossible for a 3rd party to get elected. I think in a general election with him vs a Dem and Republican without it being rigged, he could get 10-20%, maybe more.

[charlie g]

Originally Posted by ADL Colin

I actually agree with quite a bit of what the Libertarian Party (*Cough* I mean Republican Ron Paul) believes in; some in practice and some in principal. However a society needs to be somewhat consistent so that people, businesses etc can plan their lives. For better or worse millions of people have planned their lives around continuing social security, medicare, medicaid, prescription drug plans and so on. i would rather these programs never have started and wouldn't mind seeing them scaled back but abolishing the IRS will create an untold nightmare for tens of millions of people.

Now, in sum, I don't like Giuliani or Clinton anymore than I like Ron Paul. Ron Paul isn't going to be able to abolish the IRS or the Federal Reserve even if he did become president. And Giuliani isn't likely going to be able to close down all porn websites (guy has quite the record of closing adult businesses). But the guy is highly unlikely to win and if you think so well, you are the one who should be laughed at.

"In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is." - Yogi Berra or someone like him.

People that planned their lives for social security are not going to be without. But let's get the newer generations prepared to actually save and plan for their own futures. This government cant control it's spending. People handing over their money in hopes the government will take care of it and support them when they are old is dangerous. Giving $20 to the government for safe keeping is like giving it to a junkie.

Ron Paul if elected would get something done- a message to these fat greedy bastards that we are done with the status quo. The next revolution will not happen with guns and violence. It will happen at the ballot box. but only after things get really shitty and doped up america starts thinking again.

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by charlie g

Ron Paul if elected would get something done- a message to these fat greedy bastards that we are done with the status quo. The next revolution will not happen with guns and violence. It will happen at the ballot box. but only after things get really shitty and doped up america starts thinking again.

It won't happen at the ballot box. The system is rigged already. You have two parties to choose from, both are really quite similar. The minute guys start shaking things up, the parties will tighten the rains and make sure people like that aren't allowed in their races.

[ADL Colin]

Originally Posted by charlie g

His thinking is original compared to our "major" choices.

You are saying his thinking is "original" because it is a minority view? I don't think so. He sounds quite a bit like Harry Browne, don't ya think?

[charlie g]

I am sayin it's "original" compared to the 2 parties that want the government larger and more far reaching. And yes, Paul is a libertarian if that's what youre after.

[charlie g]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

It won't happen at the ballot box. The system is rigged already. You have two parties to choose from, both are really quite similar. The minute guys start shaking things up, the parties will tighten the rains and make sure people like that aren't allowed in their races.

Yes, but as more and more people realize the fix is in it will be impossible for the crooked bastards to continue to blind us with bullshit. But as I said, shit will have to get really bad first.

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by charlie g

Yes, but as more and more people realize the fix is in it will be impossible for the crooked bastards to continue to blind us with bullshit. But as I said, shit will have to get really bad first.

They've done it for hundreds of years now. How exactly can you stop it? The system is already rigged. Heck, we don't even elect our President, the electorate does.

[charlie g]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

They've done it for hundreds of years now. How exactly can you stop it? The system is already rigged. Heck, we don't even elect our President, the electorate does.

Ross Perot made a difference in the 90's and clinton can thank him for getting his job. Too bad he was a crazy little bastard but he did bring fiscal responsiblitiy to the debate.Things were pretty good in the 90's for most Americans and he was still able to perform well(even though he was a crazy little bastard). It will be easier when China calls in it's debt and baby boomers SS checks are being eaten up servicing the debt.

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by charlie g

Ross Perot made a difference in the 90's and clinton can thank him for getting his job. Too bad he was a crazy little bastard but he did bring fiscal responsiblitiy to the debate.Things were pretty good in the 90's for most Americans and he was still able to perform well(even though he was a crazy little bastard). It will be easier when China calls in it's debt and baby boomers SS checks are being eaten up servicing the debt.

They have changed a lot of rules after that election to make it harder for 3rd parties. Lets not forget that Perot also had billions at his disposal to make the campaign work.

[anarchy]

errr? where do you get this bs?

November 12, 2007
Ron Paul polling above 5 percent nationwide

Two national polls released last week by CNN and Rassmussen Reports reveal Congressman Paul to be polling at or above 5% nationwide. Rassmussen Reports shows Dr. Paul's support at 6%, and CNN's data shows it is at 5% nationwide.

http://ronpaul2008.typepad.com/ron_p...ul-pollin.html

[ADL Colin]

Well, either way Ron Paul is not a 3rd party candidate. He is a Republican. Will he make a difference in this election? I don't think so. One of the other candidates will win the Republican nomination and select someone else as their VP candidate. By the time most people tune into the election it will be one of them vs. Hillary and some talk of the VP candidates.

As far as I know none of the leading candidates is discussing abolishing the UN, the Federal Reserve or the IRS and I don't think they will.

As far as smaller government; I am all for it but the Democrats and Republicans both seem in favor of larger government now (Hillary's Healthcare, Bush' Prescription Drugs). I don't think Paul will open up a lasting dialogue on the subject though it may come up as a result of the beliefs of one of the other candidates. The last year that federal outlays actually decreased was 1965. Before that 1955.

[ADL Colin]

Originally Posted by anarchy

errr? where do you get this bs?

November 12, 2007
Ron Paul polling above 5 percent nationwide

Two national polls released last week by CNN and Rassmussen Reports reveal Congressman Paul to be polling at or above 5% nationwide. Rassmussen Reports shows Dr. Paul's support at 6%, and CNN's data shows it is at 5% nationwide.

http://ronpaul2008.typepad.com/ron_p...ul-pollin.html

How is that BS?

Galllup poll of Nov 2-4.
AP Poll of Nov 5-7.

I presume you can find them?

Here are all latest polls.

Rasmussen 6%
CNN 5%
NBC 4%
Newsweek 3%
AP Not included (Other is 2%)
Gallup/USA Today 1%

A final average of less than 4%.

[anarchy]

'The latest Gallup Poll has Ron Paul down to 1% crashing from 5% in mid October. He was not included in the latest AP poll at all. Maybe he is part of "other" at 2%.'

You make it appear like he vanished, you forgot to mention all the other polls..
He's actually gaining popularity. The polls you posted are old.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by charlie g

I respect your opinion Alex. I think some of those questions are based upon flawed logic and a skewed perspective. The UN has done very little in the effort to spread peace-IMO. What it has done is put the US in a no win position and wedged our interests against our allies in many situations.

The mistake is thinking that the UN is there only for "making peace". It is a conduit, a chance for everyone (including banana republic leaders and tin pot dictators) to say their piece and mouth off at each other. The theory is that as long as they are talking (even yelling) they aren't shooting at each other.

Killing off the UN without coming up with a suitable replacement would be the first step to a true world war 3.

The IRS could go away tomorrow and the country would be so much better off. Especially the middle class who actually bear the brunt of most taxation. There is no reason in the world a flat tax or consumption tax wouldn't work. The IRS is nothing more than a social engineering platform devised by politicians to control the masses beahiour. <SNIP> Also, the rich would finally start actually paying taxes(think of that).

Again, think this through to the end. You would get rid of the IRS and then what? You would replace it with something, because otherwise there would be no way to collect your flat tax or your consumption tax and nobody to check compliance, and nobody to audit the number of people living in the houses, and nobody to check to make sure the sales tax is collected. So you end up creating the TRS (Tax Revenue Service) and they end up just as big as the bloated mess is now.

You can rename your dog "fluffy the cat" but it is still a dog.

There is about to be a power vacuum anyway. The US can not continue to spend the way we have. The way we are headed, our currency will be better suited for wallpaper and we will be powerless. There are no fiscal controls by these clowns we currently have and no desire to stop WASTING money

That would be Mr Paul's own party doing that. Last time I checked, the Boy president was handed a declining deficit, a free sailing economy, high employment, and a highly regarded currency with super high values. 7 years later, the US is locked into a major unpopular war, scared of it's own shadow, and spending nearly a trillion dollars to fight a war that isn't needed. Worse yet, because the US dollar is dropping like a rock, the value of crude oil is going up faster than it would have been if Iraq had been left alone.

Getting rid of the UN and making it "protect ourselves" will lead the US to even large military expenditures because it is likely more and more wars and skirmished would break out, and the US would get sucked in. The problems don't have to do with the UN or an ineffecient tax collection service, but has everything to do with American Imperialism and desire to shove democracy down everyone's throat, like it or not. It's expensive work, and the bill is coming due.

. Ron Paul may not be tha answer anyone is looking for.... BUT HE AINT PART OF THE PROBLEM.

last time I checked, Ron Paul was an elected official. He is exactly part of the problem.

[ADL Colin]

Originally Posted by anarchy

'The latest Gallup Poll has Ron Paul down to 1% crashing from 5% in mid October. He was not included in the latest AP poll at all. Maybe he is part of "other" at 2%.'

You make it appear like he vanished, you forgot to mention all the other polls..
He's actually gaining popularity. The polls you posted are old.

What I said is absolutely correct. Paul had 5% in the Gallup poll of October 14. He had 1% on November 4. Well, that poll is a week old. Not really that old but then again you ar eprobably quite a bit younger than I am.

[$5 submissions]

Originally Posted by Shagbunny

for the life of me i can't understand what a cocksucker like giuliani is doing leading the republicans, he fucking scares me and i'm canadian!

The latest Kerik indictments might SERIOUSLY hound him if he becomes the Republican nominee.

[tblake]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Ron Paul is suggesting nothing short of a worldwide power vacuum that would be rapidly filled with radical muslims and many other less than savory groups.

Worldwide power vacuum?

The US has 10 Nimitz class nuclear powered aircraft carriers that circle the globe. They have a fighter-bomber compliment of 48 FA-18 Super Hornets. Lets not even mention nuclear submarines or other naval ships.

So what are these radical Muslims going to do again?

[anarchy]

RawAlex is just shitting his pants over this guy cause he's in every thread.. lmao

[warlock5]

Ok, lets take a look at some other well recognized polls; and by the way national polls don't matter for *any* of the candidates. Whoever loses momentum in the early primaries is done, whether its Ron Paul or Rudy.

Zogby
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1388
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1386
Nevada, Ron Paul: 7&#37; November 10th, 1% April 12th
Iowa, Ron Paul: 3%, November 7th, <1% May 15th
(Zogby puts Ron Paul at 4% in Iowa)

Marist:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/RCP...t-NH-Nov11.pdf
New Hampshire, Ron Paul: 7% November 4th


Of course these numbers are far from impressive, however Ron Paul is in third place in terms of fundraising. I expect that money will push him into the double digits.

Will he win? Who cares. The reason he ran in the first place was to make the Republican front runners uncomfortable and look like the politicians that they are. At the same time he has shown that there still are people in Washington who have values and won't re-adjust their views every election.

[ADL Colin]

Originally Posted by anarchy

RawAlex is just shitting his pants over this guy cause he's in every thread.. lmao

More like laughing, I am sure

[dstaff]

There isn't a doubt in my mind that the morons of America will elect someone who will continue on the path of self destruction....enjoy the slippery slope.

[aico]

Obviously you are scared, starting a thread about it proves that.

[charlie g]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

The mistake is thinking that the UN is there only for "making peace". It is a conduit, a chance for everyone (including banana republic leaders and tin pot dictators) to say their piece and mouth off at each other. The theory is that as long as they are talking (even yelling) they aren't shooting at each other.

Killing off the UN without coming up with a suitable replacement would be the first step to a true world war 3.

It is not in the US best interest to take part in the kangaroo court. The UN makes the US weaker, whether you want to admit it or not.

Again, think this through to the end. You would get rid of the IRS and then what? You would replace it with something, because otherwise there would be no way to collect your flat tax or your consumption tax and nobody to check compliance, and nobody to audit the number of people living in the houses, and nobody to check to make sure the sales tax is collected. So you end up creating the TRS (Tax Revenue Service) and they end up just as big as the bloated mess is now.

You can rename your dog "fluffy the cat" but it is still a dog.

The issue is the tax code. You would still have a compliance arm to make sure there are no cheaters. But right now the system is subjective and unclear. The tax code doesn't need to be overhauled, it needs to be scrapped. The IRS in its present form must be changed. Fluffy the cat has fleas.

That would be Mr Paul's own party doing that. Last time I checked, the Boy president was handed a declining deficit, a free sailing economy, high employment, and a highly regarded currency with super high values. 7 years later, the US is locked into a major unpopular war, scared of it's own shadow, and spending nearly a trillion dollars to fight a war that isn't needed. Worse yet, because the US dollar is dropping like a rock, the value of crude oil is going up faster than it would have been if Iraq had been left alone.

Look at Paul's voting record. He is totally consistent. He isn't a Republican if you check the record.

Clinton was extremely lucky to be in office when he was. He inherited a rebounding economy, IT revolution, bull market, and the fruits of the regan era. You can't name one policy of Clinton's that could be said attributed to the run in the 90's. He did not have to deal with 9-11(although he could have prevented 9-11). So Clinton was no FDR. Bush is no better and probably worse.

Getting rid of the UN and making it "protect ourselves" will lead the US to even large military expenditures because it is likely more and more wars and skirmished would break out, and the US would get sucked in. The problems don't have to do with the UN or an ineffecient tax collection service, but has everything to do with American Imperialism and desire to shove democracy down everyone's throat, like it or not. It's expensive work, and the bill is coming due.

Exactly, we cant afford to police the world anymore. Let the Chinese do it because it is expensive work. Let them be hated by every country in the world for meddling in their affairs. Let the US sit in the cheap seats and tell everyone the right way to do it. R. Paul wants the Imperialism to stop. A good start is to let the world handle its own affairs for a while. US needs to sit out a few innings and fix its own problems for a change. We'll see how much the US is missed after China has their way.

last time I checked, Ron Paul was an elected official. He is exactly part of the problem.

Again, check his record. He is not part of the problem. He may not be the best solution, but in this dog and pony show he wins the blue ribbon.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by charlie g

Yes, but as more and more people realize the fix is in it will be impossible for the crooked bastards to continue to blind us with bullshit. But as I said, shit will have to get really bad first.

you must be either very young or just impossibly naive. let me clue you in to a little bit of info on politics... there is nothing to "realize". politics is politics. what you are just now discovering that you naively think people aren't aware of... is how its always been. as has been pointed out many times already, Ron Paul isn't the first politician to come out saying "hey, we need change". the problem is not the need for change or the lack of weirdos willing to stand up and give a "i have a dream" speech. the problem is those people crying about radical change are just that... radical and are never effective, electable leaders.

in spite of the popular and misguided opinion of Ron Paul supporters... presidents don't make laws, massive, sweeping change can't happen through unilateral actions of presidents. it requires getting congress and the senate on board and the populace at large... and that requires leadership and a vision that they can all buy into and get behind.

in spite of your personal opinions and beliefs... the system is specifically designed so that a renegade that doesnt represent the will, values of beliefs of the majority of voters shouldn't become president... so right away, that should tell you where you stand with your chances of getting your nazi into office to replace the current nazi (ok dipshits, cue your "bush stole the election" rhetoric as if thats an insightful and intelligent reply... while ignoring the reality of how the system is intended to function and as if Bush had very little popular support - TWICE)

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by anarchy

RawAlex is just shitting his pants over this guy cause he's in every thread.. lmao

Nope. Sorry. I don't care if people want to talk politics. I dislike when people come here to beg for donations for a politician, especially someone polling lower numbers than Mary Carey got in California.

[charlie g]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

you must be either very young or just impossibly naive. let me clue you in to a little bit of info on politics... there is nothing to "realize". politics is politics. what you are just now discovering that you naively think people aren't aware of... is how its always been. as has been pointed out many times already, Ron Paul isn't the first politician to come out saying "hey, we need change". the problem is not the need for change or the lack of weirdos willing to stand up and give a "i have a dream" speech. the problem is those people crying about radical change are just that... radical and are never effective, electable leaders.

in spite of the popular and misguided opinion of Ron Paul supporters... presidents don't make laws, massive, sweeping change can't happen through unilateral actions of presidents. it requires getting congress and the senate on board and the populace at large... and that requires leadership and a vision that they can all buy into and get behind.

in spite of your personal opinions and beliefs... the system is specifically designed so that a renegade that doesnt represent the will, values of beliefs of the majority of voters shouldn't become president... so right away, that should tell you where you stand with your chances of getting your nazi into office to replace the current nazi (ok dipshits, cue your "bush stole the election" rhetoric as if thats an insightful and intelligent reply... while ignoring the reality of how the system is intended to function and as if Bush had very little popular support - TWICE)

I think many people don't realize it's a fixed system. Also, many realize this and are too lazy/comfortable to want to change. I mentioned that things would have to get bad before many wake up. Maybe $8 gas will help. But I am proud to be called naive if the alternative is resignation to impotence. So thanks- and vote for R. Paul.

[RawAlex]

Charlie, you serve up so many nice slow pitches that anyone can hit over the fence. I agree with Pleasurepays (gasp!), you must be incredibly young because what seems all shiny and new to you is the same old bullshit recycled to the rest of us (heck, I don't have to go back to the days of the Who, and "the parting on the left, is now a parting on the right" mentality of politics. Won't get fooled again...)

we cant afford to police the world anymore. Let the Chinese do it because it is expensive work.

Gotta start here, because this is the funniest comment of the bunch. The US isn't policing the world, the US is trying to jam democracy down people's throats. The Chinese ain't going to ram democracy down anyone's throats, and guess what? Communism is actually pretty cheap to impliment (a few guns, a few killings, a large and paranoid police force, citizens reporting on each other). Democracy is expensive. Dictatorships are remarkably cheap.

Clinton was extremely lucky to be in office when he was. He inherited a rebounding economy, IT revolution, bull market, and the fruits of the regan era.

hahahahhahhahahahahaaha plop! (my head just fell off I was laughing so hard). Don't get me started on voodoo economics or republican trickle down bullshit (because it is bullshit, a total excuse for the richest few to pay less taxes, isn't that what Ron Paul is against?). Clinton took power, and did something that no Republican President in 40 years has done: HE DIDN'T FUCK IT UP. He went and got a blowjob from an Intern just like every other wallstreet guy was doing, and left the money making to the money makers. He didn't fuck with it, and it worked for his entire term without exception.

Bush came in, and within 12 months, the country was in the toilet and has never truly come back.

Again, check his record. He is not part of the problem. He may not be the best solution, but in this dog and pony show he wins the blue ribbon.

As an elected official Ron Paul has been in the position to create legislation, express opinions, raise public awareness, and change the way things are done. Until he submitted his candidacy for President, he was the member from... well, I don't even know, that is how fucking low this guy is on the radar. He hasn't distingushed himself, he hasn't been widely quoted in the news, he doesn't regularly make the evening news, he hasn't stood up and said "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore". He was background noise.

In a few months, he will be a footnote in presidential electrion history, the guy who dropped out second or third from a totally horrible set of republican candidates.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by charlie g

I think many people don't realize it's a fixed system. Also, many realize this and are too lazy/comfortable to want to change. I mentioned that things would have to get bad before many wake up. Maybe $8 gas will help. But I am proud to be called naive if the alternative is resignation to impotence. So thanks- and vote for R. Paul.

i think YOU didn't realize how things work.


i love this quasi-communist thinking you have that assumes everyone is just too dumb to know whats good for them and thats why there are problems... so people like you who "get it" need to step up.

thats why i appreciate democracy... you get to rant but in the end, i am comforted by the fact that it changes nothing and i dont have to worry about a minority wanting to do the best for the majority.

[tony286]

A big problem Paul has is the republican machine doesnt like him. They hit the main stream voters pretty hard.

[charlie g]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Charlie, you serve up so many nice slow pitches that anyone can hit over the fence. I agree with Pleasurepays (gasp!), you must be incredibly young because what seems all shiny and new to you is the same old bullshit recycled to the rest of us (heck, I don't have to go back to the days of the Who, and "the parting on the left, is now a parting on the right" mentality of politics. Won't get fooled again...)



Gotta start here, because this is the funniest comment of the bunch. The US isn't policing the world, the US is trying to jam democracy down people's throats. The Chinese ain't going to ram democracy down anyone's throats, and guess what? Communism is actually pretty cheap to impliment (a few guns, a few killings, a large and paranoid police force, citizens reporting on each other). Democracy is expensive. Dictatorships are remarkably cheap.



hahahahhahhahahahahaaha plop! (my head just fell off I was laughing so hard). Don't get me started on voodoo economics or republican trickle down bullshit (because it is bullshit, a total excuse for the richest few to pay less taxes, isn't that what Ron Paul is against?). Clinton took power, and did something that no Republican President in 40 years has done: HE DIDN'T FUCK IT UP. He went and got a blowjob from an Intern just like every other wallstreet guy was doing, and left the money making to the money makers. He didn't fuck with it, and it worked for his entire term without exception.

Bush came in, and within 12 months, the country was in the toilet and has never truly come back.



As an elected official Ron Paul has been in the position to create legislation, express opinions, raise public awareness, and change the way things are done. Until he submitted his candidacy for President, he was the member from... well, I don't even know, that is how fucking low this guy is on the radar. He hasn't distingushed himself, he hasn't been widely quoted in the news, he doesn't regularly make the evening news, he hasn't stood up and said "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore". He was background noise.

In a few months, he will be a footnote in presidential electrion history, the guy who dropped out second or third from a totally horrible set of republican candidates.

First, I am probably older than you Alex. It is easy to dismiss opinions you dont agree with by labeling them as naive, young, or just plain stupid. I have seen the late 70's when we had double digit inflation, interest rates and unemployment. You can dismiss what Reagan did for our country but only the most uninformed don't give Reagan his due.

As far as Clinton, staying the fuck out of the way is an accomplishment? That is one of the reasons we are in this shit. He is the forest gump of the boomer generation.

Maybe one of the mainstream candidates will make a fine president and we will keep our heads above water. I will vote for the lesser of 2 evils. There's nothing I can do about it. He doesnt have a chance to win so fuck it. Am I sounding more mature now or less naive?

BTW, the president may not make laws. He can veto, sets foreign policy and generally sets the tone for debate on capitol hill. I would love for congress to debate a fair-easy tax system instead of what they are now(which is what?). I would also love to cast my vote for a man who has demonstrated conviction and values(look at his record).

[uno]

Originally Posted by charlie g

Yes, but as more and more people realize the fix is in it will be impossible for the crooked bastards to continue to blind us with bullshit. But as I said, shit will have to get really bad first.

The more people think "the fix is in" the more jaded and apathetic they'll become. Have you seen the people in this country lately?

[ADL Colin]

I "got it" once. Then "it" changed.

[charlie g]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

i think YOU didn't realize how things work.


i love this quasi-communist thinking you have that assumes everyone is just too dumb to know whats good for them and thats why there are problems... so people like you who "get it" need to step up.

thats why i appreciate democracy... you get to rant but in the end, i am comforted by the fact that it changes nothing and i dont have to worry about a minority wanting to do the best for the majority.

Talk about naive. Just watch television for 20 minutes to see where a large portion of the populaces IQ level is. And the problem is the people who get it, as you say, don.t step up. You cant have it both ways, either "everyone gets it" and I am young and just now figuring it out, or few get it and it needs to be said.

And by the way, we DO NOT have a democratic system of government, so I am not sure what you appreciate. I am glad we don't live in a democracy where the majority can trample the rights of the individual(which is the overriding principle that this country was founded on).

Ron Paul will probably not get elected. And you can dismiss him as a fringe cook because his view of government is different than yours and the people now in power. But everything he espouses is based on Constitutional law and the bill of rights. You may think these are fringe and cooky ideas, but without them we are no different than any other place in the world. I think it is important to try to preserve them and that is why Ron Paul will get my vote.

[xmas13]

The CIA should send him to Guantanamo.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by charlie g

Talk about naive. Just watch television for 20 minutes to see where a large portion of the populaces IQ level is. And the problem is the people who get it, as you say, don.t step up. You cant have it both ways, either "everyone gets it" and I am young and just now figuring it out, or few get it and it needs to be said.

again... any position that assumes everyone is stupid is a dangerous one. every insane dictator thought/thinks the same thing. hitler knew the world would be better off without jews and because he was able to rationalize his view being the minority view as you are... he started ww2

And by the way, we DO NOT have a democratic system of government, so I am not sure what you appreciate. I am glad we don't live in a democracy where the majority can trample the rights of the individual(which is the overriding principle that this country was founded on).

uhmm... ok. not sure how this makes any sense but i assume you are going to play semantics with the word democracy and use examples out of context, where it should be clear that "democracy" in the context of these types of conversations simply means people voting for what they want vs autocracies, monarchy's, dictatorships etc.

the rights of the individual are defined by law... not someones backward idea of "i should be able to do anything i want and no one should tell me otherwise" as some people here tend to think.

Ron Paul will probably not get elected. And you can dismiss him as a fringe cook because his view of government is different than yours and the people now in power. But everything he espouses is based on Constitutional law and the bill of rights. You may think these are fringe and cooky ideas, but without them we are no different than any other place in the world. I think it is important to try to preserve them and that is why Ron Paul will get my vote.

1) he won't get elected.... that should be obvious to anyone with an IQ over 10.

2) i NEVER said i disagree with a lot of what he believes ... in principle... or that his view of government is different than mine.

its not the ideas that are "kooky"... its the idea that someone can just barge into washington and change the world without the help of the congress and senate as a cowboy that is "kooky" and thus, its not just about "ron paul" or what he believes in that matters. change and leadership are about broader support of people and the government.

[ADL Colin]

Originally Posted by aico

Obviously you are scared, starting a thread about it proves that.

You must have an entirely different definition of "obviously" than I do. Scared of what, exactly? I don't think Ron Paul has much of a chance at all of being elected and even if he were there is about a zero % chance (rounded, of course) that the Federal Reserve or IRS will be abolished.

I don't think a Ron Paul presidency would be materially better or worse than a Clinton or Giuliani one.

[Xplicit]

Ron Paul is this industry's BEST CHOICE, hands down, period!

If you have half a fucking brain, spend 1 hour researching the candidates, if you can't come to the conclusion that Ron Paul's positions protect our industry the best you're completely fucking retarded.

His record speaks for itself. We're in an industry that has become a direct target of government regulation time and time again.

I don't care what I may disagree with him on, none of it outweighs protecting my income.

WAKE UP PEOPLE - RON PAUL 2008!