Senate Bill 1959 to Criminalize Thoughts, Blogs, Books and Free Speech Across America

[JD]

http://www.newstarget.com/022308.html

Sieg Heil!

[Phoenix]

The end of Free Speech in America has arrived at our doorstep. It's a new law called the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act, and it is worded in a clever way that could allow the U.S. government to arrest and incarcerate any individual who speaks out against the Bush Administration, the war on Iraq, the Department of Homeland Security or any government agency (including the FDA). The law has already passed the House on a traitorous vote of 405 to 6, and it is now being considered in the Senate where a vote is imminent. All over the internet, intelligent people who care about freedom are speaking out against this extremely dangerous law: Philip Giraldi at the Huffington Post, Declan McCullagh at CNET's News.com, Kathryn Smith at OpEdNews.com, and of course Alex Jones at PrisonPlanet.com

This bill is the beginning of the end of Free Speech in America. If it passes, all the information sources you know and trust could be shut down and their authors imprisoned. NewsTarget could be taken offline and I could be arrested as a "terrorist." Jeff Rense at www.Rense.com could be labeled a "terrorist" and arrested. Byron Richards, Len Horowitz, Paul Craig Roberts, Greg Palast, Ron Paul and even Al Gore could all be arrested, silenced and incarcerated. This is not an exaggeration. It is a literal reading of the law, which you can check yourself here: http://thomas.loc.gov/home/gpoxmlc110/h1955_rfs.xml

The bill states:

‘...ideologically based violence’ means the use, planned use, or threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual to promote the group or individual’s political, religious, or social beliefs...

Note that this means the "planned use of force to promote a political or social belief" would be considered an act of terrorism. This all hinges on the definition of "force," of course. Based on the loose use of logic in Washington these days, and the slippery interpretation of the meaning of words, "force" could mean:

• A grassroots campaign to barrage Congress with faxes
• A non-violent street protest
• A letter-writing campaign that deluges the Senate with too much mail
• A sit-in protest that blocks access to a business or organization
• A grassroots e-mail campaign that overloads the e-mail servers of any government department or agency

You get the idea. "Force" could be defined as practically anything. And since the "planned use of force" would be considered a criminal act of terrorism, anyone who simply thinks about a grassroots action campaign would be engaged in terrorist acts.

If you stopped someone on the street and handed them a Bible, for example, this could be considered an act of terrorism ("...use of force to promote the individual's religious beliefs...")

If you sent a barrage of angry letters to Washington about global warming and the destruction of the environment by the U.S. military, this could also be considered an act of terrorism ("...to promote the individual's political beliefs...")

If you believe in same-sex marriage and you wrote a letter threatning a sit-in protest in front of your state's capitol building, this could also be considered an act of terrorism, even if you never carried it out! ("...planned use of force to promote a social belief...")

The United States is on the fast track to fascism, and the Congress is working right alongside this nation's traitorous leaders to criminalize any thoughts, words or speeches that disagree with current government policies regarding war, terrorism, domestic surveillance and civil liberties. Simply speaking out against the war on Iraq could soon be labeled a crime. Merely thinking thoughts against the war on Iraq could be considered a criminal act.

Must-see video: Naomi Wolf's lecture on 10 steps to fascism
There's a video lecture you simply MUST watch. It's by Naomi Wolf, author of The End of America. She covers this topic with great elegance and a deep understanding of history. See her video on YouTube at: https://youtube.com/watch?v=RjALf12PAWc

Click here to see her book on Amazon.com.

In her lecture and book, Naomi reveals the ten steps to fascist, then reveals how the United States of America is pursuing all ten! This S.1959 legislation, the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act, represents one of the ten steps to achieve a fascist state!

It is designed to squash all opposition to the State's ongoing march towards blatant fascism, where secret police and secret prisons dominate the law enforcement landscape, stripping U.S. citizens of all civil liberties and Constitutional protections.

Thoughtcrimes are about to become a reality in the United States of America, and Congress is pushing this through as quickly as possible so that each individual member of Congress can claim that he or she is "against terrorism." But this bill doesn't merely target terrorism: It targets anyone who speaks or even thinks thoughts against the U.S. federal government.

With this bill, the U.S. government is officially labeling the People of the United States as criminals. It is drawing a line in the sand and stating that from now on, it's the Government vs. the People.

If we don't stop this bill from becoming law, we are lost as a nation.

There is no turning back from tyranny once the government turns its own citizens into criminals, enforcing only the thoughts, ideas, words and speeches that it approves or tolerates. Everything is at stake here!

Take action now, or lose your freedoms forever
If you live in the U.S., it is urgent that you call your senators right now and voice your strong opposition against this extremely dangerous law.

Here are the phone numbers for the U.S. Senate switchboard:

1-877-851-6437
1-800-833-6354
1-888-355-3588
1-866-220-0044
1-866-808-0065
1-877-762-8762
1-866-340-9281
1-800-862-5530

How to do this:

1) Make sure you know the names of your Senators.
2) Call the U.S. Senate switchboard using one of the numbers above.
3) Ask to speak to the offices of your Senators.
4) Tell them you are strongly opposed to S. 1959, the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act
5) Ask for their fax number.
6) Follow up your phone call with a written, signed letter that you fax to your Senators.

Stopping this bill from becoming law is the single most important thing all Americans can do right now. If this becomes law, all free speech about health freedom, the crimes of the FDA, the crimes of the Bush Administration, America's role in global warming and any other topics could all be criminalized. YOU could be labeled a terrorist, kidnapped by government thugs, taken from your home, thrown in a secret prison, denied access to legal representation, denied due process and essentially "disappeared" into a system of such corruption and evil that it now begins to blatantly mirror Nazi Germany.

Think it couldn't happen here? It's happening right now! This is exactly how it happened in Nazi Germany. First, burn the Reichstag and blame it on the "enemy." Pass new police state laws. Disarm the people. Spread fear. Erect secret prisons and secret police. Call anyone who disagrees with you a "traitor." Control the mainstream media. Sound familiar? This is all happening right now in the United States of Amerika, and if we don't work to stop it, this nation will rapidly devolve into a fascist police state where no one is truly free.

We are but a few small steps away from it right now. All it would take is one dirty bomb in a major U.S. city. Bush would declare Martial Law and take over the National Guard. Troops on the streets. Anyone who writes a blog against the government would be arrested. Authors of "alternative" books would be kidnapped and have their books burned on the street. It could all happen at the stroke of a pen. The infrastructure for tyranny is in place right now, just waiting to be invoked.

Our best weapons: Non-violent protest and speaking the truth
How can we fight back against this onslaught of tyranny? We must use what remaining free speech freedoms we have right now to alert our fellow citizens to what's happening. We must rise up and tell the truth while urging our representatives in Washington to resist the temptation to vote for more "anti-terrorism" legislation that only works to enslave the American people.

We must use our phones, faxes, emails and blogs to rally our friends, family members and anyone who will listen to oppose these police state laws, and we must organize mass (peaceful) protests against this government that is attempting to marginalize the rights and freedoms of our People.

We must not be lulled into a sense of false security by the purveyors of hatred and fear -- the Sean Hannitys, Rush Limbaughs and Bill O'Reillys of the world. Instead, we must listen to the voices of freedom. In terms of the upcoming election for U.S. President, there is only one candidate that actually believes in freedom: Ron Paul. He needs your support to win: www.RonPaul2008.com

[Phoenix]

All the other candidates are nothing more than tyrants of different political affiliations. Ron Paul is the only candidate that truly understands the fundamentals of freedom. That's why he's the only real choice for our next President. Can you imagine what Hillary Clinton would do with the police state powers that Bush has now created? That's the danger of all laws that centralize power in Washington: It's not necessarily what today's President will do with them, but what some future President will do with them.

That's why it's never good enough to say, "Well, we intend to only apply these laws to terrorists and not to U.S. citizens at home." That may be the intention right NOW, but virtually all such laws creep into areas of enforcement for which they were never intended. Just look at the application of RICO laws which were originally designed to fight organized crime operations but are now applied to virtually anyone (and yet they are never applied to Big Pharma, which operates almost exactly like organized crime!). All these anti-terrorism laws run the danger of expanding in enforcement to the point where they are applied against the People of this country. At first, it's only illegal for "terrorists" to think thought crimes, but before long, it's illegal for anyone to think those same thoughts. That when the domestic arrests of authors, journalists, bloggers and thought leaders will kick off, and the country will plunge itself into outright tyrannical fascism.

Again, we're on the track right now. This is happening, folks. You're LIVING through an amazing chapter of history right now. You're actually witnessing the downfall of a free nation and the rise of a superpower fascist state. You're actually part of it.

When it's all over, will you look back and realize you did nothing? Or will you now take a stand against tyranny and oppose these dangerous laws and lawmakers who threaten the Constitutional freedoms of you and your children?

[Sosa]

we are all going to hell as well

[BradM]

Didn't Hitler put a similar law into effect?

[12clicks]

Boo!

oh shit, it was just my shadow!
hahahaha

[yahoo-xxx-girls.com]

JD do you understand what "unfulfilled crimes" located within your criminal code deals with... Do you have a background in politics or in policing?

Have you read the full bill or are you guessing in respect to your post?


Somehow A = Z ... yea I left out x...

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[JD]

Originally Posted by Balalsubturfyooj

JD do you understand what "unfulfilled crimes" located within your criminal code deals with... Do you have a background in politics or in policing?

Have you read the full bill or are you guessing in respect to your post?


Somehow A = Z ... yea I left out x...

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didn't read the bill. The thread title is the exact title of the blog post. that blog isn't mine

[yahoo-xxx-girls.com]

JD I meant no disrespect in my past statement, just that I see so many people miss quoting others peoples articles for the purpose of political statements, just to make cheap shots at their rivals... I'm guessing this is not the case.

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[ETCKon]

I was just wondering what are the states that are under these influences, also what are the statistics of faniatics that are addicted to this...??? I agree with the generous idea of this fundamental ideas roaming on another frequency but at the end of the day, the colors and tradgies never end....This is another unending structured nature which never forfit to any activities .....I wish in the long run everyone could benefit from this naive security but should never prevent and drain all the ideas from electrics....

[D]

I dunno... I'm a skeptic.

If there are real civil liberties issues here, they seem to have gone unnoticed by the ACLU, as I can't find any reference on the organization's website.

Too, the text of the bill, as presented to the House, has specific civil liberties considerations:

"`SEC. 899E. PROTECTING CIVIL RIGHTS AND CIVIL LIBERTIES WHILE PREVENTING IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE AND HOMEGROWN TERRORISM.

`(a) In General- In carrying out this subtitle, the Secretary shall ensure that the efforts of the Department to prevent ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism as described in this subtitle do not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights, and civil liberties of United States citizens and lawful permanent residents."

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill...bill=s110-1959

[Matt 26z]

"the use, planned use, or threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual to promote the group or individual’s political, religious, or social beliefs"


Very interesting. Looks like the American freedom to threaten force may soon come to an end.

Consider someone who may say "If this government [insert some act here], then we the people will use force to remove them from power." Such statements were made during the founding of this nation, and they have been repeated in the hundreds of years since.

This is yet another example of the government using the shock of 9/11 to railroad new policies into place that ultimately take power from the people.

[marketsmart]

the US govt is all fucked up.. look whats going on in Venezuala, Pakistan, Russia...

Leaders circumventing laws to stay in power... Its no wonder the US wants in on the game..

Most people dont know this but the Patriot Act allows the president to stay in power in the event of a attack on america or america needing to attack a country to supress terrorism...

i doubt bush will use this provision, but the law has been put into place for future presidents...

its pretty scary if you sit back and think about it....

[Michaelious]

Countries have been passing bills like these for ages

[Poontank]

[minusonebit]

I cant wait for it to pass. When they come for me, lets just say I wont be going alone, nor will I be going quietly.

[Matt 26z]

Originally Posted by minusonebit

I cant wait for it to pass. When they come for me, lets just say I wont be going alone, nor will I be going quietly.

Is your post a "threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual to promote the group or individual?s political, religious, or social beliefs" ???

[AmigoPorn]

Thought Police is not fiction after all

[Azoy?]

Originally Posted by JD

http://www.newstarget.com/022308.html

Sieg Heil!

i posted about this a few days ago on another thread.
some ass was arguing with me but i still say the United States became what the former USSR was.
communist state that IF YOU ARE NOT WITH US YOU ARE AGAINST US.
remember that ?
so in other words speak, think against what we do or how we do it and you are not with us therefore a terrorist and will be arrested, thrown in jail without a warrant and without charge because you are labeled a terrorist.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

Boo!

oh shit, it was just my shadow!
hahahaha

usual clueless idiot answer ....

[Brad Mitchell]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

Boo!

oh shit, it was just my shadow!
hahahaha

Since I read your post I simply can't stop laughing.

[fatfoo]

Originally Posted by Poontank

lol.....................

[yumma]

yeah baby, your country is sooo freee ....

[theking]

Originally Posted by marketsmart

the US govt is all fucked up.. look whats going on in Venezuala, Pakistan, Russia...

Leaders circumventing laws to stay in power... Its no wonder the US wants in on the game..

Most people dont know this but the Patriot Act allows the president to stay in power in the event of a attack on america or america needing to attack a country to supress terrorism...

i doubt bush will use this provision, but the law has been put into place for future presidents...

its pretty scary if you sit back and think about it....

Pigshit...simply not true.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Azoy?

i posted about this a few days ago on another thread.
some ass was arguing with me but i still say the United States became what the former USSR was.
communist state that IF YOU ARE NOT WITH US YOU ARE AGAINST US.
remember that ?
so in other words speak, think against what we do or how we do it and you are not with us therefore a terrorist and will be arrested, thrown in jail without a warrant and without charge because you are labeled a terrorist.

Pigshit.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by BradM

Didn't Hitler put a similar law into effect?

Yes he did.

For the 'fatherland's protection'.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by theking

Pigshit.

Good thing you back up all your points.

[nation-x]

The United States is on the fast track to fascism, and the Congress is working right alongside this nation's traitorous leaders to criminalize any thoughts, words or speeches that disagree with current government policies regarding war, terrorism, domestic surveillance and civil liberties.

if you could search through my posts on this board you would see that I have been saying these things for almost 2 years... Recently I have heard alot of discussion about "redefining torture to meet a modern world" and similar assertions that there is a need to "redefine" parts of the constitution... including the second amendment (which is before the supreme court right now). I was just reading that the govt. would like to define the right to bear arms as a right only for institutions... like the army or police.

[GreyWolf]

Originally Posted by BradM

Didn't Hitler put a similar law into effect?

He sure did - along with labelling people to make it easy to imprison without trial, create an aura of hatred on races or on sexual inclination, spied on Germany's citizens, promoted the concept that the nation is under threat as justification for limiting freedoms.

History repeats itself - the "enemy" are now called "insurgents", "enemy combatents" or whatever. The "management" can't ever admit they are engaged in torture or can say "waterboarding is torture" - despite this is clearly defined within the Geneva Convention and also prohibited under domestic laws.

Wait for it - they'll be recreating the burning of the Reichstag next

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by GreyWolf

He sure did - along with labelling people to make it easy to imprison without trial, create an aura of hatred on races or on sexual inclination, spied on Germany's citizens, promoted the concept that the nation is under threat as justification for limiting freedoms.

History repeats itself - the "enemy" are now called "insurgents", "enemy combatents" or whatever. The "management" can't ever admit they are engaged in torture or can say "waterboarding is torture" - despite this is clearly defined within the Geneva Convention and also prohibited under domestic laws.

Wait for it - they'll be recreating the burning of the Reichstag next

some say they did already...

[thonglife]

[TheDoc]

Who cares that it has a clause. It's already illegal to plan a terrorist attack of any kind/relation. So making any form of text illegal, from terrorists or not, is direct disregard of the constitution.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Good thing you back up all your points.

I do not feel the need and do not care to take the time to educate the ignorant.

[buzzy]

Originally Posted by theking

I do not feel the need and do not care to take the time to educate the ignorant.

Says the guy who faked his own death on an adult webmaster forum, It's a shame you didn't actually die it would be one less retard on this forum.

[frank7799]

Originally Posted by BradM

Didn't Hitler put a similar law into effect?

Hitler used this one...

[frank7799]

And the "Fire Decree" indeed has some similarities to the law above.

[Megafoo]

Originally Posted by D

I dunno... I'm a skeptic.

If there are real civil liberties issues here, they seem to have gone unnoticed by the ACLU, as I can't find any reference on the organization's website.

Too, the text of the bill, as presented to the House, has specific civil liberties considerations:

"`SEC. 899E. PROTECTING CIVIL RIGHTS AND CIVIL LIBERTIES WHILE PREVENTING IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE AND HOMEGROWN TERRORISM.

`(a) In General- In carrying out this subtitle, the Secretary shall ensure that the efforts of the Department to prevent ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism as described in this subtitle do not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights, and civil liberties of United States citizens and lawful permanent residents."

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill...bill=s110-1959

Remember back in the day, when assault was only used for when someone physically harms another person? harm as in causing injury. Now you can be charged with assault by merely touching someone, cops love using assault if you touch them etc etc. Just because they say "the meaning of the bill is to discourage terrorism blah blah blah" in the end all that matters is the true wording of the bill, not its intentions or the explaination on how they plan to enforce it. If the wording isn't specific enough they can use it to any means they please.

[digifan]

What a brave new world...

[GreyWolf]

Originally Posted by theking

I do not feel the need and do not care to take the time to educate the ignorant.

But you do feel a strong desire to make meaningless posts with one word - "Pigshit"??

Doubt you are qualified to even discuss "the ignorant" - far less educate them.

[theking]

Originally Posted by GreyWolf

But you do feel a strong desire to make meaningless posts with one word - "Pigshit"??

Doubt you are qualified to even discuss "the ignorant" - far less educate them.

And you feel the need to run your fucking ignorant mouth...in long blowhard posts that amount to little more than babble. I am short and to the point...calling the rediculous and/or ignorant posts for what they are...pigshit. Now feel free to go and suck some more tourist's cock...you need the money...now don't you?

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by theking

And you feel the need to run your fucking ignorant mouth...in long blowhard posts that amount to little more than babble. I am short and to the point...calling the rediculous and/or ignorant posts for what they are...pigshit. Now feel free to go and suck some more tourist's cock...you need the money...now don't you?

You can not make a valid claim about your superior intelligence, when you can not even spell correctly.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

You can not make a valid claim about your superior intelligence, when you can not even spell correctly.

Oh no...the spelling police nabbed me. BTW the last time I was aware misspelling a word has zero to do with intelligence...and in addition please quote where I have ever stated that I have superior intelligence.

[minusonebit]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Is your post a "threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual to promote the group or individual?s political, religious, or social beliefs" ???

No, its not a threat. Its a promise.

[GreyWolf]

Originally Posted by theking

And you feel the need to run your fucking ignorant mouth...in long blowhard posts that amount to little more than babble. I am short and to the point...calling the rediculous and/or ignorant posts for what they are...pigshit. Now feel free to go and suck some more tourist's cock...you need the money...now don't you?

Ignorance is obviously inbred is it?? It not uncommon for the trailer park ignorant to make claims others are ignorant.

That was a long post displaying your crass redneck ignorance, considering you are "short and to the point" - well done!

It's sure an improvement on "Pigshit" - it must be the sheer hatred oozing to give motivation?



PS... As Barefootsies said - try and at least spell correctly and forget the smart ass trash comments about "spelling police". Here's another example of your lack of education...

Originally Posted by theking

I do not debate with the ignorant about the rediculous.

[spacedog]

This proposal is a problem because nowhere whatsoever do they define force, nor what constitutes threat of force.

Some of the dictionary definitions of force are;

power to influence, affect, or control; efficacious power:
persuasive power; power to convince:
any body of persons combined for joint action:
to compel, constrain, or oblige (oneself or someone) to do something:


Personally, I think this proposed bill is to control dissident speech.



Throughout history, all freedom fighters were labelled as terrorists by their oppressors.

[DaddyHalbucks]

Pure hysteria.

No judge, court, or executive official will be able to hold a position that writing letters is an act of terrorism.

If you think the potential loss of liberties is bad now, wait until a nuke or dirty bomb goes off in a US city. Al Qaeda has already promised this.

The fact is that technology has changed the nature of warfare. Recognize this, or suffer more 9/11s --on a much worse scale.

Naomi Wolf and other liberals talk about the abuse of the Patriot Act, and the other anti-terror measures, but where are the actual instances of abuse? There are very very few, if any.

[GreyWolf]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Pure hysteria.

No judge, court, or executive official will be able to hold a position that writing letters is an act of terrorism.

Naomi Wolf and other liberals talk about the abuse of the Patriot Act, and the other anti-terror measures, but where are the actual instances of abuse? There are very very few, if any.

Was entering a war based on lies not hysteria???

Abuse it is not even on the table for discussion when there is no credibility to use that word. Abuse is called killing and torturing people. Abuse is training others in techniques of torture. Abuse is side-stepping international treaties and torturing. Abuse is avoiding due legal process. Abuse is sticking your face into the biz of other nations.

Abuse is something you would never understand until you start suffering from it.

[spacedog]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Pure hysteria.

No judge, court, or executive official will be able to hold a position that writing letters is an act of terrorism.

If you think the potential loss of liberties is bad now, wait until a nuke or dirty bomb goes off in a US city. Al Qaeda has already promised this.

The fact is that technology has changed the nature of warfare. Recognize this, or suffer more 9/11s --on a much worse scale.

Naomi Wolf and other liberals talk about the abuse of the Patriot Act, and the other anti-terror measures, but where are the actual instances of abuse? There are very very few, if any.

It's not about current instances of abuse, it's the systematic planning & preparation for future abuses.

The Weimar Republic, (Germany) was heading for democracy prior to The Third Reich passing similar laws to allow the abuses they committed.

[GreyWolf]

Originally Posted by spacedog

It's not about current instances of abuse, it's the systematic planning & preparation for future abuses.

The Weimar Republic, (Germany) was heading for democracy prior to The Third Reich passing similar laws to allow the abuses they committed.

Forgetting the current idiots at the top spacedog - you are correct in that any law would allow whoever is in power in future years to use, or abuse, offensive laws.

This conduct is not that of a rational regime - it only enhances the mode of an oppressive police state and based on the usual diatribe/excuse of "we are under threat".

[DaddyHalbucks]

Originally Posted by GreyWolf

Was entering a war based on lies not hysteria???

Lies?

Saddam's gassing of civilians at Halabja actually happpened.

Saddam's attempted assasination of GHW Bush actually happened.

Saddam's murdering hundreds of thousands of his own citizens actually happened.

Saddam's invasion of Kuwait actually happened.

Did Saddam also have WMD? Many experts believe he did, and a massive program to hide it. The CIA believed he did, same with the US Congress, same with the Clinton administration.