notoldschool

That doesnt mean they wont hear of them. Seems that atleast not all the media outlets can completely make him invisible to the masses.


BTW nothing you posted there means hes NOT the best candidate, unless of course if you are one of those special people we call Evangelical Christians who are having the second coming of the Christian crusades, trying to realign the middle east the way they want.

BTW if things keep going the way they are GFY will be gone from the internet within 5 years. bet on that.

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ADL Colin

There's no such thing as a BEST candidate. There are personal preferences for how one would like the world to be. One person likes Hillary Clinton's worldview and direction. Another doesn't. Neither is right or wrong.

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TheDoc

Hey Baddog, one of the few things any president 'could' acually pull off is killing off of the IRS. Yes, it would take some serious work but the IRS isn't really part of the Gov. It really does illegally take money from you.

We could easily replace it with a base sales tax for personal and business purchases. But you would still need a department to regulate people/companies that don't report/pay.

Now going back to the gold standard, I think the President has as much power as me and you on this subject.

rebel23 said it best I guess.. Lots of things could be changed or blocked quickly, unscrewing many little things. I think he needs to be more voicing on what/how he is acually going to do it. It took us 130 years to fuck the system up, add in bushs 8 years of blatant disregard of the constitution... It makes me wonder how a man can archive such positive change in a short time period and not screw it all up in another way.

Subject Jump.... Iraq, we just can't pull out and run. We fucked up a country, we can stop the war but we can't run and hide. Like it or not we will be left with cleaning up Bush shit.

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MarkMan

ok, i just read his Ideas on his site, the guy is nuz!!!!!!!!

drjones

That may be true, but I agree with Paul when he talks about our plans for Iraq, and establishing huge permanent presence in the middle east... in other words, doing the same kind of thing that galvanizes and incites the radicals to hate us in the first place. He's the only candidate I see out there, addressing it from this perspective.

The other thing he talks about, is how we continually interfere with Israel and their politics. Left to their own devices, theres a good chance they would have solved many of the problems in the middle east on their own already.

Since war was never declared in Iraq, he could pull out the troops like someone else said. But then it would be congresses responsibility to actually declare war, and then he would have no choice but to execute and carry out congress's declaration.

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rebel23

the whole of IA, NH, SC and NV know who he is (or will do) so that doesn't matter, they will vault him or so that's the plan. Guiliani and others have already been driven out of the Northeast by the Ron Paul revolution and are regrouping and pinning their hopes on Florida which is much more later down the line

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baddog

www.youtube.com/watch?v=zihgr8ZrLa4

See the video within the video, since it was the first I found.

I vote by candidate, not by party. Haven't voted by party lines since I was in my early 20's.

baddog

Rebel, you never answered my question. Are we supposed to believe that you are a Republican that is trying to save the White House from the Democrats?

If I missed your response, I apologize.

drjones

Well, youre judging what would be a very complicated, lengthy process by a 10 second sound bite. He's talked about it in many other videos about what is involved in actually gettting to the point where it would be possible to eliminate the income tax, and the IRS. The first step in that process is to get the government operating with in its means... to stop the out of control borrowing, and to cut government spending. A monumental task in and of itself, and its doubtful that first step could even be accomplished in one presidents term.

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baddog

Since one of the RP's already stated that you guys know he isn't going to win, I don't really see the point of continuing to debate the matter.

Too bad kids these days have no organization or passion.

Pleasurepays

as i said in another thread... if we bypassed annoying things like debates and they just threw the candidates into a beach house on a show called President Fuck Whore Dating Party, on MTV... where everone was going through tough challenges like guys having to convincingly give gay porn stars a sensual massage or having the cadidates strip on a pole, see who can drink the most bleach or whatever, everyone would be intensely interested

i expect a few election cycles to pass before we are fully to that point... but it will happen.

StickyGreen

People who think abolishing the Fed, the IRS, the CIA, etc is "nutty" need to wake the fuck up... what the hell is wrong with you people? You really think the way our system is setup right now is the way it is supposed to be? Are you actually going to elect another shmuck that is going to keep the system going along exactly as it is?

Most of the candidates that you guys are going to vote for will flip-flop around and tell you whatever it is they think you want to hear and then do absolutely nothing while in office so they can keep the "system" going. This shit scares me because most people don't even seem to understand what is wrong with our system in the first place... especially the monetary system...

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baddog

Roll another one

Pleasurepays

whats wrong with you? you can't start by preaching to the world about how you want to fuck everything up and tear it apart without at least having a decent explanation of how it will be replaced, how it will work and why. you certainly can't expect to get people on board with dissembling most of the federal government. its insane because the president can't do it. the president isn't god. the president represents one branch of government.

its not about "whats wrong with....xyz"

its about "whats a better solution and how are we going to implement it"


don't be a Paultard.

StickyGreen

The fact that you think these institutions need to be "replaced" shows that you don't even understand the underlying problems with these institutions in the first place...

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Vendot

Its not just that...... its also the fact that his ideas are so radical that a lot of people find them hard to envision. He's a pretty smart guy, theres no doubt about it - he just seems too smart.

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Pleasurepays

you're right. i'm clearly a moron. you however, are fully grounded in reality and lucky enough to live under a rainbow in Utopiaworld, so you are definately qualified to comment on a world where you don't need income taxes, foriegn intelligence capability or a wide array of other government functions and branches of government that exist in almost every single country on the planet out of necessity.

and my fucking point jackass, was simply that he talks about tearing things apart... not about how it can work, what should be in its place or how the economy, government etc might function quite well without them.

its easy to talk about a world where we'll just outlaw public transportation or abolish taxes or do any number of things that 20 something morons who were beaten and abused by their parents might agree to... but anyone thats not totally fucking retarded might have a question or two about it.

a vision for the future and how to deal with a complex world and global economy isn't "i'm going to just start breaking shit"

he's obviously not serious about getting the Republican nomination or running for the presidency because he is further from Republican values than Hillary is and isn't even making an effort to appeal to Republicans. Meanwhile, in spite of this obvious fact, we all have to tolerate all the morons of the country insisting he has a chance and talking about how puppies will never die after he's elected as if its a real possibility.

notoldschool

Because he is trying to appeal to the real republicans with true conservative values who dissaprove of the way the party went away from their true ideals.
Face it the people that run the republican party are pro war, which republicans by nature are not. The new neocon republicans are not fiscally sound in their beliefs. Thats whay they are so scared of someone who is for the taking the republican party to where our founders started. With the Consitution.

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Pleasurepays

he won't get the republican nomination.
not even close.
he's not even in the race for the republican nomination.

so it has nothing to do with real republicans or any other bizarre rationalization.

i appreciate what he's doing but if he seriously intended to seek the republican nomination and become a serious candidate, he's obviously doing it in the wrong way.

and ... you can't blame everyone for not getting the message... you can only blame the messenger for not effectively communicating the message.

baddog

Since rebel doesn't seem to want top answer the question, how about any of you other ArePees: Are you really Republicans that are concerned with the Democrats taking over the White House?

charlie g

Dismantling the IRS can be done. It's called a flat tax and EVERYONE pays... or a consumption tax that is collected on ALL non-essential goods. There are many plans that could be tried and tweaked for fair taxation. As it stands the tax code is used for social engineering by politicians. It is wrong and a terrible system. The operating budget for the IRS is $12 billion, $50 for every person in the US and $200 for a family of 4. It is estimated that another $6.6 billion is spent on tax compliance. This is a terrible waste of resources.

Department of Education. As many have stated, we didn't even have it until 1979. Since that time our educational system has sunk to almost third world status. Despite spending almost 60% more than the next highest industrialized country per capita, US performance in math and science is near the bottom. Maybe some Ron Paul detractors think science and math is overrated. We are not getting what we pay for, and the responsibility lies squarely on the shoulders of the DOE. The result is generations of less educated and thus less competitive citizens.


What I find striking are the people who claim to agree with many of Ron Paul's issues but then dismiss his chance to win. If you agree with his ideas then you are at fundamental odds with every other candidate running. It should shine a huge floodlight on how far the national debate has careened into insanity. I am no longer worried about being called a kook when I talk about Ron Paul. I am worried about not doing enough to let people know that there is someone running whom recognizes and is not afraid of the glaring problems coming our way- an aging population expecting to be taken care of by an under-educated under-achieving generation- government that is like a cancer growing at uncontrollable levels running up huge deficits borrowing money from those that despise its way of life. At some point the bill comes due and drastic action will ensue. While the federal government has no problem bailing out a mortgage banking system out of control, I wonder if the federal government's debt holders will be as kind. My bet would be no.

It's time to face the music sooner rather than later. I don't mind being called nutjob stumping for someone that I agree with 75% of what he stands for. Voting for someone I totally disagree with because "they have a chance to win" is asinine and totally irresponsible and I am tired of playing their game!

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charlie g

So what you want is for RP to bend over and take it up the ass from the christian coalition and the like. You want him to sell out his principles inorder for the establishment to take him seriously. Then what the fuck good would he be then. He would be just like the rest of the cocksucking sycophants the media and party officials are trying to jam down our throats.

As far as the message not getting out, that can also be blamed on the wishy washy people claiming to agree but not doing anything because "he doesnt stand a chance".

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baddog

So charlie, are you a republican?

charlie g

I dont want the democrats or republicans taking over the white house. There is NO DIFFERENCE. It is a show for the common folk. Ron Paul is a Republican in name only.

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charlie g

I am a registered independent. I have voted for democrats and republicans. I voted for Ronald Regan twice, GW once. Locally I have voted 50-50 rep/dem.

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baddog

So, why would a Republican even consider voting for him?

Thank you for demonstrating my point.

Pleasurepays

i don't care what he does. i think what he's doing is a great thing. that has nothing to do with current political realities and people unwaivering ignorance of the fact that he simply will not get the republican nomination.

Ron Paul is nothing but a string of fun and thought provoking sound bites, in between all the discussion about issues and candidates that can actually be nominated by their party and win an election.

Huh? dude, we might all agree that Ronald McDonald or Pee Wee Herman have some pretty solid ideas about how the country should be run or about foreign policy... that doesn't mean they is suddenly the best man for the job, much less, electable candidates.

People can like what he's saying and agree that its just not going to happen, even though there are some nice ideas that sound somewhat appealing.

Just just a defensive and emotional rationalization for being so emotionally invested in a something that just isn't going to happen.

charlie g

Wrong question BD. How could a responsible AMERICAN not consider him is the proper one. I guess we are trained to take what's offered and like it.

But more to your point- there are many conservative republicans and democrats that are not sheep and identify more with Paul. I dunno, but people who vote party line are scary to me.

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Pleasurepays

now anyone that doesn't agree with Paul is "sheep"

well... thats certainly a mature, intelligent, rational and well reasoned position that doesn't pop up much on gfy.

charlie g

I hear you pleasure. He doesnt stand much of a chance. So don't get emotionally involved...it's not worth it. He's got good ideas, but heck, so does ronald mcdonald and peewee herman. Nothing can be done and we should concentrate our efforts on someone who can get elected. It doesn't matter that there is no real significance in any of the 4 or 5 people that stand a reasonable shot. I like that guy Edwards because he has nice white teeth and a $1200 haircut. It was fun talking about Ron Paul because he has some neat ideas. I think I am going to vote for hillary because she was a huge favorite 6 months ago--- cause I want to vote for a winner so I can be a winner.

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baddog

I guess you forgot what the primaries are all about. The primaries are a party line issue. You nominate who you think will win . . . or you can do like my dad and register in the opposite party so you can vote for the person you think stands the least chance of winning.

Paul needs to get it together and realize that HE WILL NEVER WIN THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION because he is not a Republican. He should concentrate his efforts on finding another party where he can win the nomination if he wants to show up on the ballot in November.

They he can worry about people voting along party lines.

charlie g

Missed my point again. If you really believe that the other candidates are better, then you are not a sheep. But, if you agree with RP's ideas(or many of them), and will not campaign for him because he "can't win", then yeah, you're a sheep. It becomes the self fulfilling prophecy of a defeatist attitude.

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Pleasurepays

you make no sense.

They are not campaigning for the Presidential election. you're like older than God, voted for Reagan and seem to have no idea whats going on. old, befuddled, confused... but a solid Paultard. Congrats. he needs you.

charlie g

Do you think he could ever win the democratic nomination? If the answer is no, then where is he supposed to run? Or is there no room in politics for truly diverse views?

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Pleasurepays

Dear Jackass,

I am not campaigning for the Presidential election. I am campaigning for the Republican nomination. Don't preach about government if you don't know how it works.

Thats just not what i'm about.

Sincerely,
Ron Paul

charlie g

What are they campaigning for then? I must really be losing it. Dog catcher?

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And how does this make my point invalid?

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baddog

hmmm . . . . Libertarian, Peace and Freedom, Green Party . . . and as a Democrat I would probably vote for him in the primaries.

baddog

Pleasurepays

what point?

you mean the "if you don't agree with me, then you're just sheep" thing?

was that a point?

it's said so often on GFY as the single greatest mind numbingly stupid response when one is in the minority view, that i often mistake it for punctuation.

charlie g

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You have to walk before you can run . . . no pun intended.

Pleasurepays

no... for the chance to run for president as the republican candidate - AND HE IS NOTHING LIKE A FUCKING REPUBLICAN

seriously man, go to the doctor... have him adjust your meds.

charlie g

I realize you are a product of the DOE system so I will cut you some slack. To get you back into the flow of conversation- you- why waste time on someone who cant win me- it's not a waste of time to do what you think is right. If you agree with what he says but won't effort to get him elected then you are a sheep.

Remember now?

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charlie g

precisely- where is the disconnect BD? If he loses the primaries he cant win the presidency. I must reread my posts because I don't believe I implied this was the general election. Although I guess you could assume if you are a Paul supporter this is the election should he lose. There is really no candidates worthy of a vote.

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charlie g

He is exactly like a Republican... one I voted for 23 years ago. His name was Ronald Reagan... the last true Republican as far as I am concerned.

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Pleasurepays

listen crazy old weirdo guy, please... do what you think is right. no one said thats a bad thing. thats what voting is. there is nothing wrong with being passionate about change and a better future, having convictions and fighting for what you believe in.

that has nothing to do with the fact that he won't get the republican nomination because he doesn't represent republicans and therefore, can't possibly be elected as president.

Pleasurepays

like a republican in the sense of the word two centuries ago... or like a republican in 2007?

go back to sleep Rip Van Winkle... times have changed

baddog

You are the one talking about how people should not vote along party lines, but that is precisely what the primaries are all about. Additionally, he does not have to run as a Democrat or Republican.

The problem is 95% of his supporters are Democrats (giving them the benefit of the doubt that they are even registered, or will remember to vote before 8 PM), and they do not have the best interest of the Republican party, so he will not win their nomination.



You really need to keep your stories straight

And I doubt you will find many that would compare RP to RR. If he was like Reagan there would not even be a battle for the Republican nomination.