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Old 01-08-2008, 01:51 AM   #1
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I'm confused...Why is Obama getting more votes then Hillary

She has a track record for making so many changes at everything she has done in the past. What has Obama done?

Is it because Opera is backing him or because nobody wants a Woman President. Someone please answer this???

I never got into politics.
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Old 01-08-2008, 01:57 AM   #2
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It is because (among other things) because many people hate her husband so she has to deal with not only her baggage, but his as well. It is because she is woman and it is because to many she comes off like a bitch.

Obama, while he has yet to speak in any type of specifics about how he plans to do the things he is promising, he is one charismatic mother fucker and he is preaching the politics of hope. Today on the news they were talking about how is is the new RFK and how people love him and are drawn to him.
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It is because (among other things) because many people hate her husband so she has to deal with not only her baggage, but his as well. It is because she is woman and it is because to many she comes off like a bitch.

Obama, while he has yet to speak in any type of specifics about how he plans to do the things he is promising, he is one charismatic mother fucker and he is preaching the politics of hope. Today on the news they were talking about how is is the new RFK and how people love him and are drawn to him.
I need to admit, he is a great speaker.
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I need to admit, he is a great speaker.
I'm with you. The guy can really give a speech.
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I'm with you. The guy can really give a speech.
I never know what he is talking about, but the way he speaks just sounds good compared to that other guy...what was his name..Bush.
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Hillary pisses people off, people won't vote someone who pisses them off.
She foolishly thinks if her husband was president she can do it too. (LMAO)
You reap what you sew.
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I need to admit, he is a great speaker.
Agreed, he's amazing
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Hillary pisses people off, people won't vote someone who pisses them off.
She foolishly thinks if her husband was president she can do it too. (LMAO)
You reap what you sew.
I just look at Hillary and my blood pressure goes up.
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ANY candidate backed by Oprah would very likely end up getting more votes than Hillary Clinton.
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He really does not have much of a track record.

He did vote against the war.

He inspired the younger generation to turn out and vote, notice the record numbers and keep in mind he is winning in the whitest parts of America.

Less experience typically means things will change, Hillary for example has her 8 years as first lady, and then her whatever many years as first lady as Govenor so people may look at her as the standard say anything Washington insider.

He can speak and he speaks very damn well, that alone matter a lot.

He has charisma which for the Democrates the only other candidate with any is Edwards but his wife may actually be a henderance for the voting. If people know your wife is very possibly dieing of cancer sure you may get some pity publically but inside people will wonder where his thoughts will be most of the time and if he is anywhere near human I would imagine it would be a lot with his wife. This however could help alter healthcare, healthcare is not a primary concern of the voting public right now.

He works his ass off and people can see that. We are barely into it and he is going horse already and told his doctor that he just can not keep it down anytime soon.

Lets face it, even though some of the blacks do not think he is black enough or the right type of black. Most of America see's him as a black man and that can only mean one thing. He is not connected to the old school white boys clubs.
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Hillary has been too specific in her ideas, while Obama talks without actually saying anything. So while Hillary is at times scrutinized over what she says, Obama avoids negative reports almost entirely. This plays on America psychologically.
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I think Obama could relate better with other world leaders...he realizes that bullying people doesnt stop them from hating you.

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Who gives a fuck if he has no track record? He isn't a far right nut prick like the rest of the candidates, that is why he is getting votes.
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I think Obama could relate better with other world leaders...he realizes that bullying people doesnt stop them from hating you.
This is an issue that needs to be pressed, but in the mainstream it is highly unpatriotic to suggest that our actions around the globe cause the very problems we face.

This is one of the primary Bush inflicted wounds that need to be tended to by the next president. The Clinton's have a very impressive international politics track record. Obama on the other hand is a roll of the dice, just like every other aspect about him.
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Having a woman president would be fine with me.

Having Hillary as a president would not.

Everything about that woman annoys me, and I am sure it probably stems from the fact that her last name is Clinton.
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watching 16 y/o white girls scream as he walks out into a crowd, makes you think he is a rock star.ie The Beatles come to mind. I'm working with him in the NV Cacaus
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Dave, this is just a game, so it doesn't look that she won too easily, and she had to 'work for it'.

Everything has been pre-determined long ago.
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Obama does has this new demographic that has never been used before. The wigger crowd. Watching a live feed from a local news station in Iowa I was watching the results being read at one of the local caucus spots and you saw a group of 18 - 25 year olds, white, in their G-Unit clothes specifically saying "fuck yeah!" when they heard Obama won. They probably think its a way for them to "be down".

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the Clinton's have been a con from day one, it is just that Bill is better at it. A con only lasts so long, then people get wise. the old bag should consider herself lucky to be a senator.
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Democrats are NOT stupid... do you think the Republicans are going to stay quiet about whitewater, the Clinton presidency, Clinton lying to cover his tracks, personal issues in their marriage, etc.?

I think that "lack of executive experience" is a term that washington insiders use to label people outside of the club. In reality, I think that common sense plays a huge part in governance and the most key attribute won't be someones ability to make executive decisions alone... it will be who they choose to place in their cabinet. I think that the way that Obama is running his campaign is an indication of his ability to manage a large organization in a successful manner.

I think that he won't get endorsements from "black leaders" until late in the game... These guys have a polarizing affect... just like Hillary Clinton does.
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watching 16 y/o white girls scream as he walks out into a crowd, makes you think he is a rock star.ie The Beatles come to mind. I'm working with him in the NV Cacaus
Rock star style worship is not a good thing in a politician.

The Cult of Personality

A cult of personality or personality cult arises when a country's leader uses mass media to create a larger-than-life public image through unquestioning flattery and praise. Cults of personality are often found in dictatorships but can be found in some democracies as well.

A cult of personality is similar to general hero worship except that it is specifically built around political leaders. However, the term may be applied by analogy to refer to adulation of non-political leaders.

Generally speaking, personality cults are most common in regimes with totalitarian systems of government, that seek to radically alter or transform society according to revolutionary new ideas. Often, a single leader becomes associated with this revolutionary transformation, and he becomes treated as a benevolent "guide" for the nation, without whom the transformation to a better future cannot occur.

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No idea, I am yet to hear one word that is not just blatant lies to win office.
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Rock star style worship is not a good thing in a politician.

The Cult of Personality

A cult of personality or personality cult arises when a country's leader uses mass media to create a larger-than-life public image through unquestioning flattery and praise. Cults of personality are often found in dictatorships but can be found in some democracies as well.

A cult of personality is similar to general hero worship except that it is specifically built around political leaders. However, the term may be applied by analogy to refer to adulation of non-political leaders.

Generally speaking, personality cults are most common in regimes with totalitarian systems of government, that seek to radically alter or transform society according to revolutionary new ideas. Often, a single leader becomes associated with this revolutionary transformation, and he becomes treated as a benevolent "guide" for the nation, without whom the transformation to a better future cannot occur.

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however you describe it...he can't help the effect he has on people, it is going to sweep the country
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It is because (among other things) because many people hate her husband
I thought her husband was her biggest asset. Without him she would be no where.
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this is really the first time ive been excited by a candidate, when i travel, its very depressing to see what people think of our country and i see a lot of potential in this guy. i like that he is straightforward, practical, logical, new and i think he will sincerely try to do what he is promoting

with regard to hillary, i think people have a tendancy to not connect with a grandmother figure thats has to have the balls to be a world leader, it doesnt play well in their minds. i think there is a negative function between how nasty she gets in her attacks/talks about making hard decisions and her likeability
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Obama does has this new demographic that has never been used before. The wigger crowd. Watching a live feed from a local news station in Iowa I was watching the results being read at one of the local caucus spots and you saw a group of 18 - 25 year olds, white, in their G-Unit clothes specifically saying "fuck yeah!" when they heard Obama won. They probably think its a way for them to "be down".

I didn't know wiggers voted.
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He will probably be elected President on the qualification of being a good speaker. Scary.
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Hilary Clinton claims shes anti-war but her actions always prove otherwise... Shes a NeoLib.. fairly close to Lieberman or Feinstein.. But Obama isnt that far from Clinton.. just a bit better..
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Also when they talk about no experience Clinton when he was first elected had no experience and did a pretty good job.
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I think there's a big lack of trust when it comes to Hillary.

People see her as calculating and conniving where most people see Obama as authentic and inspiring.
Whether those things are true really doesn't matter, most people think they are true and base their votes on it.

Personally I don't want a democratic president that republicans hate.(Hillary) We'll have 4 or 8 more years of nothing getting done because they'll all be taking cheap shots at each other.
I want someone willing to work with the other side, and someone whom the other side is willing to work with, to solve the dozens of problems that we already know the solution for....but nothing has ever been done because the politicians are too busy playing gotcha.
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Also when they talk about no experience Clinton when he was first elected had no experience and did a pretty good job.
Other than being the governor of a state for a decade.
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He preaches about change, she talks about change...but she is part of the old generation, so change to her is possible not considered "change" to many voters.
UK had a lady running the country for many years, Margaret Thatcher.
One of Hilary's problems is that she wants it too bad and she cant stand that she cant control the outcome of the votes. This morning i heard on radio she almost broke out crying.... which is really going to work against her.
No matter what, GWB sure did something good, he made the entire country so sick and tired of conservative old white guys that the most likely candidates to be elected are either female, black, young or a combination of all.
Kinda what happened after the last Bush was in office...
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People see her as calculating and conniving where most people see Obama as authentic and inspiring.
Whether those things are true really doesn't matter, most people think they are true and base their votes on it.
Bingo. You hit the nail on the head.
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What exactly is hillary's track record? I keep hearing about this but have yet to see what her supporters are talking about.

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she is part of the old generation, so change to her is possible not considered "change" to many voters.
McCain thinks she is of the younger generation.
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Old 01-08-2008, 11:17 AM   #46
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Other than being the governor of a state for a decade.
Yes which equals exactly ZERO foreign policy experience.

Also, when it comes to experience, being first lady doesn't count. She served in a mostly ceremonial role in Arkansas and the White House and is trying to use that to pad her resume.

If you look at experience as an elected official Obama actually has alot more than she does. Being married to a president doesn't make you qualified to be president.
If that were the case then Barbara Bush would be the most qualified person, she has a husband AND a son who have been president.
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Old 01-08-2008, 11:38 AM   #47
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Sorry man... Hillary's husband was getting blown in the oval office because she wasn't putting out enough. That's the real reason no one wants her.
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Old 01-08-2008, 11:46 AM   #48
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wasn't he raised as a muslim? or his father is a muslim, something like that ?
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Old 01-08-2008, 12:34 PM   #49
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Obama is going to get killed if he almost wins the presidency. Because we have a african american runner and a girl running, most likely republicans will win again this election. Obama just has the worst name EVER. For running. I dont get it.
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