Republicans... Can you show me on this chart...

[Tempest]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._GDP_(nominal))

Which of the top 10 countries (or any of the ones on the list even) are the republican utopia of small government.. super low taxes.. government staying out of your business...

After all, success in the world is measured by how "rich" you are... And no one is richer than the big government, spend like there's no tomorrow (which your republican congress and senate have been doing for many years now) US of A....

Makes one wonder if the tenets of the reblican party are actually good for the country... should be clear it's all hot air...

Just a thought... I'm bored so flame away...

[Drake]

Good question

[Gouge]

Originally Posted by Tempest

After all, success in the world is measured by how "rich" you are... And no one is richer than the big government, spend like there's no tomorrow (which your republican congress and senate have been doing for many years now) US of A....

Republicans havent run the congress or senate for 2 years. So are you excluding those two years of the lowest approval rating its its history or are you ignoring them all together.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by Gouge

Republicans havent run the congress or senate for 2 years. So are you excluding those two years of the lowest approval rating its its history or are you ignoring them all together.

Oh please... for more than a decade the republicans controlled the coffers and spent like crazy.. the dems in congress are ineffective morons and the repubs still win in the senate most of the time... And that has nothing to do with the question... You going to answer or just try and divert attention... Be thankfull I didn't break out the debt chart which shows all republicans since Reagan sinking the USA deeper and deeper into the hole.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Gouge

Republicans havent run the congress or senate for 2 years. So are you excluding those two years of the lowest approval rating its its history or are you ignoring them all together.

will just grab and spin anything ...

[ADL Colin]

Mainstream Republicans gave up on smaller government years ago. I don't think the US budget has been reduced since late 40s or early 50s and only then I am pretty sure because of the reduction in war spending.

Bush is a huge spender and Medicare D was the biggest increase in annual costs to taxpayers in quite a long time.

You really want to be asking this question of libertarians.

[DaddyHalbucks]

Agreed, there is little doubt that the US Republicans have moved away from their core belief of small government. They need to stop the wasteful spending. Ron Paul has been a real inspiration in that area.

[Gouge]

Originally Posted by Tempest

Oh please... for more than a decade the republicans controlled the coffers and spent like crazy.. the dems in congress are ineffective morons and the repubs still win in the senate most of the time... And that has nothing to do with the question... You going to answer or just try and divert attention... Be thankfull I didn't break out the debt chart which shows all republicans since Reagan sinking the USA deeper and deeper into the hole.

For starters your question is flawed from the start, the European Union is not a country but a economic community of twenty-seven member states. So those as a whole dont apply seeing how all of them are independent and have there own governing political systems.

And your correct about the Democratically run upper and lower houses being complete failures. No argument from me there. Its to bad House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's earmark reforms lated less than 100 days before some 9000 of them started to appear. Its also one of the contributing factors as to why Bush budget is out of control. He spoke of this in his last State of the Union Address.

There is no republican utopia, it simply dosent exsist and never will. Just as there will never be any perfect political party. I guess your somehow trying to justify Republican/Capitalism being a failure?

Thank god you didnt pull out your debt chart. Now about the Regan Debt and Deficit. The unforeseen factors by the Reagan administration economists or, for that matter, by economists anywhere would know the following.

First was a legacy of the inflation that was rampant as the administration came in, namely the high level of entitlements like Social Security and Medicare payments. Because of the cost of living adjustments (COLAs), the payments jumped sharply in 1979, 1980, and 1981. They were $400 billion higher in those three years than they would have been using the average COLA from 1973-1980.

Second was the drop in tax revenues due to the severe recession that resulted from the anti-inflationary stance of the Fed. When Paul Volcker took over as Chairman of the Fed in 1979, his primary challenge was to break the wage-price inflationary spiral that had been building for several years. The recession that ensued from the tight money policy of the Fed was implicitly endorsed by most of the Reagan economists.

Third was the problem of interest on the national debt. When the debt was growing most rapidly from 1981 to 1983, interest rates were still very high. As a result, the government's bill for interest began to rise very rapidly. As the government borrowed to counteract the recession of the early 1980s, it had to pay the high interest rates that were a holdover from the inflation era.

In summary, even in the absence of tax cuts or any military buildup, we would still have had exploding deficits because of inflation-swollen entitlements, inflation boosted interest rates, and post-inflation effect on tax revenues.

Thanks for letting me educate you.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by Gouge

Thanks for letting me educate you.

The only thing you did was show that republicans have plenty of excuses for why they spend, spend and spend even more...

Even though every political party is weak willed to some extent, republicans take being weak willed to a new level when it comes to doing the hard things required to do what's best for a country in terms of the financial interests of the public.

Over the past 28 years, 20 of which were a republican white house, the only dip I see in the USA debt occured during the Clinton whitehouse.. 20 years is a long fucking time to have excuses, especially when some of those excuses are excuses of their own making.

[xmas13]

The USA, Canada and Mexico will merge into the North American Union, like it or not.

[sacX]

Originally Posted by Gouge

Republicans havent run the congress or senate for 2 years. So are you excluding those two years of the lowest approval rating its its history or are you ignoring them all together.

1 year and ~3 months.

[xmas13]

I feel bad for Americans trying to flee to Canada or Canadians who feel safe across the border.