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will76 · 02-20-2008, 11:15 AM

The Free Porn Evolution, adapt or die!
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How did we get to this point?
When TGPs started in the 90's many people complained that they were giving away too much porn for free. As technology progressed and videos become more popular the free porn standard changed to 30 second video clips. For the most part the TGP/MGP sites controlled the market and obeyed an unsaid standard limiting how much free porn could be displayed on their sites. Today, the standard seems to have changed to 2 minute video clips and the TGP/MGP sites are no longer the sites setting the standard.

Enter tube sites...
Porn tube sites have only become popular in the last 12 to 18 months. As bandwidth prices dropped, more and more tube sites were launched changing the standard of free porn on the net daily. On most tube sites the standard is 2 minutes, however 3 minute videos are becoming more and more common. But, the real killer is the illegal tube sites that are loaded with stolen, full length videos. Technology and laws have failed to slow down the illegal tubes sites which commonly give away 20+ minute videos clips.

Stolen Content is only as good as the means to distribute it, bandwidth prices use to keep things in check.

Stolen content is not a new problem, however the means to distribute it weren't the best in the past. Take p2p, file sharing type sites for example. They were able to find a way around the high cost of bandwidth to distribute stolen content but they were not user friendly sites by any means. On a p2p site you don't get to see a preview image of the video, download time is not fast at all, and there is a very good chance that what you downloaded is not what you wanted. Then thrown in the fact you had to download from people you did not know and take a chance of getting viruses, you can see why that method never become very popular, especially with inexperienced surfers. On the other hand, the tube site model is very easy to use, you can get a valid description and picture of the video before you play it, and you don't have to download the video so no worries about viruses. P2P is a joke compared to tube sites, take a look at alexa's top 100 sites and you will see several illegal tube sites listed there

When will this stop? Why do people keep giving away more and more porn?

Before you can understand why people give away free porn you first have to understand.......................

If you want to read more, the rest of my thoughts are posted on http://www.viraldiscussion.com/post/...n-adapt-or-die

Evil Chris · 02-20-2008, 11:16 AM

Wow sounds like you really really mean it.

<>< · 02-20-2008, 11:16 AM

its different now. people fuck you to your face and other people stick up for the business model.

Roald · 02-20-2008, 11:21 AM

nice read but isn't this what everybody is saying already?

ProjectNaked · 02-20-2008, 11:26 AM

good read

will76 · 02-20-2008, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by QuaShe

nice read but isn't this what everybody is saying already?

are you serious? all i see is people blaming free porn for everything, people with their heads in the sand thinking tube sites will fade away, other people thinking it is best to work with tube sites, then you have the people who continue to promote or create just picture and video sites etc... I can go on and on but i see very few people who actually has a good understanding what is going on.

will76 · 02-20-2008, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

are you serious? all i see is people blaming free porn for everything, people with their heads in the sand thinking tube sites will fade away, other people thinking it is best to work with tube sites, then you have the people who continue to promote or create just picture and video sites etc... I can go on and on but i see very few people who actually has a good understanding what is going on.

edit... i meant people wanting to work with *illegal* tube sites.

BenKennedy · 02-20-2008, 11:31 AM

good read!

OzMan · 02-20-2008, 11:32 AM

Can you just post the solution, I'm in "short attention span" mode today?

devilspost · 02-20-2008, 11:35 AM

I dont think the tube site videos are good quality, most look like shit and are small. If that is paysite quality porn than paysites suck.

OzMan · 02-20-2008, 11:35 AM

Actually what I'm really pissed about.. and it's my own fault... is that I read the original call to "Adapt or Die!" as "Adopt or Die!"

Now I'm three quarters of the way through a mess of paperwork to bring seven Uzbeki orphans into my family and don't know what to do.

will76 · 02-20-2008, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by OzMan

Can you just post the solution, I'm in "short attention span" mode today?

tune in next week for part 2, "How to adapt, i don't want to die" a step by step how to turn your business around. there is a $199 fee to view this article.

first people have to understand what the problem is before they can fix it. Most people don't know what the problem really is.

Roald · 02-20-2008, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

are you serious? all i see is people blaming free porn for everything, people with their heads in the sand thinking tube sites will fade away, other people thinking it is best to work with tube sites, then you have the people who continue to promote or create just picture and video sites etc... I can go on and on but i see very few people who actually has a good understanding what is going on.

Damn I typed a whole bunch of text and than GFY fucked up.

What it came down to is that I forgot this is GFY when I said everybody lol

So my bad ;))

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 02-20-2008, 11:42 AM

rapidshare forums are the real problem...

will76 · 02-20-2008, 11:45 AM

14 posts and no one bitching about having to click the link to read the rest of my thoughts ???

leedsfan · 02-20-2008, 11:52 AM

having created a legal tube site back in 2006, and now running a profitable business model around 2 minute clips of sponsor content i feel well qualified to jump in and say tgp and mgp owners are the biggest losers in the new space, because they relied on paid spots which now have decreased value, and will be worth next to nothing very soon. They are also the loudest voices on this board, trying to find new angles of complaint about how tube sites are ruining the industry. The big programs are working in conjunction with legal tube sites and figuring out the best models to make money with the growth in this space, and tgp mgp owners are no longer the ballers they thought they were.

Given that they were so profitable for so long I have no problem calling them out, because most have made their money and can now do something new. The people that can't adapt from this space deserve to go out of business.

Simple as that

Tom_PM · 02-20-2008, 11:53 AM

You know what, I was surfing on a TGP site today that I used to submit to years ago because it made me money nearly every day. I was pretty amazed.

Used to be that you had to submit to the right category. Go to a tgp right now and find a gallery listed as "big tits". 9 times out of 10 you will get a hardcore sex gallery where the PAYSITE has "tits" in the title. Reviewers used to re-categorize based on what the content is, or reject the submission outright. I didnt click for three way hardcore office sex, I clicked to see a woman with big tits. Anyone paying any attention? Oh, also the thumbnails in the gallery were production stills that didnt even match the action that was in the actual clips. They were clear as a bell though. Duh.. just plain duh.

Click a "blowjob" gallery. You might get blowjob scenes, you might get facial scenes, you might get some sci-fi dick scene with every girl looking surprised. *YAWNNNNNNNNNNN* How about a blowjob scene? Reviewers? Do you know what a blowjob is? It's when a real human penis is being sucked on by a real human female. Unless it's a gay blowjob, in which case categorize it as such. If it's a facial cumshot, it's not a blowjob. And this site has a Facial category too, yet the very first BLOWJOB movie gallery I clicked was all facial content. Thats not what I clicked. Making any sense?

I can see this as being the reason that other sites are doing better quite frankly. Perhaps, JUST PERHAPS, they are giving the surfer what the surfer is looking for. Not bullshitting them, not sending them to a trade blindly, not showing them a production still then a movie that doesnt match. Call me crazy all ya want, but I think maybe this has some merit.

I dont use content in my advertising for years now, but god damn I dont know how I could stand it these days if I tried.

And before someone asks or complains, I know I'm only picking on ONE anonymous site, not EVERY site. And no I wont name it, the point was in the message and has nothing to do with what site it is.

ProjectNaked · 02-20-2008, 11:53 AM

this is bullshit - why don't you just post the whole article here???

Oh, I get it....get more people to your site.

well you are a fuking asshat, motherf......blah blah blah.....

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Originally Posted by will76

14 posts and no one bitching about having to click the link to read the rest of my thoughts ???

Klen · 02-20-2008, 11:57 AM

I wonder will this be end of porn biz.I mean,all that illegal tube sites get over 10 millions hits daily.

will76 · 02-20-2008, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

I wonder will this be end of porn biz.I mean,all that illegal tube sites get over 10 millions hits daily.

read the rest of the article, i cover this. If you then disagree please post so and let us know why.

leedsfan · 02-20-2008, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

You know what, I was surfing on a TGP site today that I used to submit to years ago because it made me money nearly every day. I was pretty amazed.

Used to be that you had to submit to the right category. Go to a tgp right now and find a gallery listed as "big tits". 9 times out of 10 you will get a hardcore sex gallery where the PAYSITE has "tits" in the title. Reviewers used to re-categorize based on what the content is, or reject the submission outright. I didnt click for three way hardcore office sex, I clicked to see a woman with big tits. Anyone paying any attention? Oh, also the thumbnails in the gallery were production stills that didnt even match the action that was in the actual clips. They were clear as a bell though. Duh.. just plain duh.

Click a "blowjob" gallery. You might get blowjob scenes, you might get facial scenes, you might get some sci-fi dick scene with every girl looking surprised. *YAWNNNNNNNNNNN* How about a blowjob scene? Reviewers? Do you know what a blowjob is? It's when a real human penis is being sucked on by a real human female. Unless it's a gay blowjob, in which case categorize it as such. If it's a facial cumshot, it's not a blowjob. And this site has a Facial category too, yet the very first BLOWJOB movie gallery I clicked was all facial content. Thats not what I clicked. Making any sense?

I can see this as being the reason that other sites are doing better quite frankly. Perhaps, JUST PERHAPS, they are giving the surfer what the surfer is looking for. Not bullshitting them, not sending them to a trade blindly, not showing them a production still then a movie that doesnt match. Call me crazy all ya want, but I think maybe this has some merit.

I dont use content in my advertising for years now, but god damn I dont know how I could stand it these days if I tried.

And before someone asks or complains, I know I'm only picking on ONE anonymous site, not EVERY site. And no I wont name it, the point was in the message and has nothing to do with what site it is.

tube sites (legal ones) legitimately provide access to easy to navigate content in clear niches. It's way easier to get around, find what you want and the user is more likely to click through to sponsor sites if the clips are shorter in length (2 mins). TGP and MGP sites that blind skim for example will be all but dead because they fuck the surfer around. And you know what-they deserve to die a painful death. If I was a surfer I would never visit a TGP/MGP again for that very reason.

will76 · 02-20-2008, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by leedsfan

having created a legal tube site back in 2006, and now running a profitable business model around 2 minute clips of sponsor content i feel well qualified to jump in and say tgp and mgp owners are the biggest losers in the new space, because they relied on paid spots which now have decreased value, and will be worth next to nothing very soon. They are also the loudest voices on this board, trying to find new angles of complaint about how tube sites are ruining the industry. The big programs are working in conjunction with legal tube sites and figuring out the best models to make money with the growth in this space, and tgp mgp owners are no longer the ballers they thought they were.

Given that they were so profitable for so long I have no problem calling them out, because most have made their money and can now do something new. The people that can't adapt from this space deserve to go out of business.

Simple as that

I agree with you completly. I didn't want to write a book, so I left off the other losers (besides non interactive sites). But tgps are definetly one of them, also I see content producers taking a beating.

TGP/MGP's where were you went when you wanted free porn, it was easy to surf and they offered just about the best free stuff on the net you could find. Even legal tube sites are blowing them away with even better ways to surf and much longer videos.

but you hit the nail on the head, the fact that tgps sold top spots for so much money those days will be over for them in the near future. As they lose traffic they will produce less paying customers, as that happens the value of their ad spots will decrease to the point it wont be worth paying to be listed anymore.

I also see lots of tgp guys saying tube sites are a fad, they will go away, etc... perhaps it is more wishfull thinking than anything.

I also see this hitting the content guys in the pocket as well. Who wants to pay 5K for a custom scene just to have it ripped and the full length clip all over the net for people to see for free. As more and more non interactive sites lose money they will pay less for content, to the point a lot of them will go out of business. The problem for content guys, they can't adapt, they can't produce live content unless they open a studio and hire webcam chathosts. There will always be a need for content to be made but in most cases it will be for advertising purposes which people are not going to pay a high price for. Things are definetly changing.

<>< · 02-20-2008, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by leedsfan

tube sites (legal ones) legitimately provide access to easy to navigate content in clear niches. It's way easier to get around, find what you want and the user is more likely to click through to sponsor sites if the clips are shorter in length (2 mins). TGP and MGP sites that blind skim for example will be all but dead because they fuck the surfer around. And you know what-they deserve to die a painful death. If I was a surfer I would never visit a TGP/MGP again for that very reason.

blind and skim sites can suck my fucking cock.

leedsfan · 02-20-2008, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

I agree with you completly. I didn't want to write a book, so I left off the other losers (besides non interactive sites). But tgps are definetly one of them, also I see content producers taking a beating.

TGP/MGP's where were you went when you wanted free porn, it was easy to surf and they offered just about the best free stuff on the net you could find. Even legal tube sites are blowing them away with even better ways to surf and much longer videos.

but you hit the nail on the head, the fact that tgps sold top spots for so much money those days will be over for them in the near future. As they lose traffic they will produce less paying customers, as that happens the value of their ad spots will decrease to the point it wont be worth paying to be listed anymore.

I also see lots of tgp guys saying tube sites are a fad, they will go away, etc... perhaps it is more wishfull thinking than anything.

I also see this hitting the content guys in the pocket as well. Who wants to pay 5K for a custom scene just to have it ripped and the full length clip all over the net for people to see for free. As more and more non interactive sites lose money they will pay less for content, to the point a lot of them will go out of business. The problem for content guys, they can't adapt, they can't produce live content unless they open a studio and hire webcam chathosts. There will always be a need for content to be made but in most cases it will be for advertising purposes which people are not going to pay a high price for. Things are definetly changing.

I can speak to that as well.

We are content providers, as well as tube site players, and affiliate program owners.

The market for porn content will always exist. People will always be willing to pay for it.

These statements may not seem obvious with the biggest tube sites offering full length movies for free, but it is a statement of fact.

These are my reasons for why:

1) Some people love reading mags- and will always want to have them stuffed under their mattress.

2) Some people don't like waiting a long time for videos to load, ergo subscriptions sites that are niche specific will survive for the foreseeable future

3) Mobile porn is growing rapidly, and people like the privacy of being able to jack off in the bathroom at work or on lunch break

4) PPV porn works because you can get in and out, and find stuff that you like easily. So VOD sites will continue to grow

5) SE PPC will bring niche traffic to any site you want, for the foreseeable future

6) Some people like buying DVD's. Market will always have a share, and will transition into new technology once Blu-Ray becomes obsolete and so on.

7) New technology dictates something else will replace tube sites. I have an inkling of what that will be and am already preparing for it.

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scottybuzz · 02-20-2008, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ismokeblunts

rapidshare forums are the real problem...

well users have to be a little bit advanced to understand how it works, many surfers do get stuck on those pages you also have to find the links themselves, where as tube sites are self explanitry

»Rob Content« · 02-20-2008, 12:31 PM

I know everyone is going on and on about what can we do, what can we do.

If you have content that is being stolen and you are not getting any resolve to the problem, you are pissed and anything else.

I highly recommend you check out and use removeyourcontent.com I am in no way affiliated with them, but if you know me by my posting you know that I take this stuff seriously.

I was speaking with a major program this past week and the owner informed me that since they started using removeyourcontent.com they have over 20k, yes that's right over twenty thousand links pulled from tubes, rapidshare, trader boards and other sites.

Everyone wants a solution, well this is a huge one, and it works.

Bottom line if your content is being stolen and you're not using them you're missing out.

leedsfan · 02-20-2008, 12:34 PM

bottom like is content producers have to learn how to be more viral in marketing/selling their content.

TGP and MGP owners will have to change their business model or die.

Tube sites will inevitably pave the way for new angles of exploitation, as tgp/mgp sites did before them

Affiliate programs will be forced to work even harder for their traffic and offer more free content and free sites with upsell models/email farming.

and affiliates will have to adapt their strategies as well. Leaning more toward embedded videos and blogs rather than submissions.

I see smart affiliate programs offering good money for email harvesting as well as PPS in the days to come.

will76 · 02-20-2008, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by leedsfan

I can speak to that as well.

We are content providers, as well as tube site players, and affiliate program owners.

The market for porn content will always exist. People will always be willing to pay for it.

These statements may not seem obvious with the biggest tube sites offering full length movies for free, but it is a statement of fact.

These are my reasons for why:

1) Some people love reading mags- and will always want to have them stuffed under their mattress.

2) Some people don't like waiting a long time for videos to load, ergo subscriptions sites that are niche specific will survive for the foreseeable future

3) Mobile porn is growing rapidly, and people like the privacy of being able to jack off in the bathroom at work or on lunch break

4) PPV porn works because you can get in and out, and find stuff that you like easily. So VOD sites will continue to grow

5) SE PPC will bring niche traffic to any site you want, for the foreseeable future

6) Some people like buying DVD's. Market will always have a share, and will transition into new technology once Blu-Ray becomes obsolete and so on.

7) New technology dictates something else will replace tube sites. I have an inkling of what that will be and am already preparing for it.

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I agree with those points, there will still be other methods for content producers to produce content, but across those board the market for shotting web based custom content is going to take a big hit, they will have to shoot for paper media or mobile, or vod as you mentioned. I see most of the web based content being used for advertising, so they are not going to be high priced stuff, like custom shoots.

The one thing I disagree on is that niche sites will be ok in regards to stolen content. They will be the last to be affected but they will get hit as well. Naturally everyone is going to make general, non niched sites since the market is not saturated yet. Once there are tons of general sites people will find out that they can make more money doing an illegal niche tube site then trying to compete with the thousands of general ones. As times goes on and the market get more staturated these sites will get more niched based as a way to get a better market share. Stolen content, the second it is posted to the net it doesnt matter which site or which niche, it can be stolen. I see no reason why these sites wont get more and more niche focused over time.

so what is the next big thing

tony286 · 02-20-2008, 01:03 PM

Great article but to not even think about governments cracking down is crazy.

will76 · 02-20-2008, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Great article but to not even think about governments cracking down is crazy.

in regards to them helping out with content theft ? If they not helping to stop it in movies and music i dont think they going to care about helping porn at all.

tony286 · 02-20-2008, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

in regards to them helping out with content theft ? If they not helping to stop it in movies and music i dont think they going to care about helping porn at all.

Im talking about everyone following the give it all away for free mindset with very user friendly tubes. Porn isnt a mainstream tv show people forget that.

JA$ON · 02-20-2008, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

I wonder will this be end of porn biz.I mean,all that illegal tube sites get over 10 millions hits daily.

Im guessing that number is WAY LOW

tony286 · 02-20-2008, 01:20 PM

aLso porn dies tubes die alot less content to giveaway for free and then if they think we can retrain people to pay again. Thats very funny.

c-lo · 02-20-2008, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

in regards to them helping out with content theft ? If they not helping to stop it in movies and music i dont think they going to care about helping porn at all.

He probably meant something along the lines of government intervention to regulate tube sites, like 2257. Illegal tube sites are pushing numbers that TGPs never did, plus offering full length hardcore porn with no true age verification. That can only continue for so long before government intervention arrives to properly regulate the industry.

EDIT: Nevermind, Tony cleared it up. Well then take the opinion above as my own.

Fletch XXX · 02-20-2008, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

Stolen content is not a new problem,

hey Will, STOLEN CONTENT!

http://www.referralmatrix.com/niches...t-celebrities/

oh noes!

will76 · 02-20-2008, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

hey Will, STOLEN CONTENT!

http://www.referralmatrix.com/niches...t-celebrities/

oh noes!

i am curious, do people think content on a site like this is stolen? http://celebs13.com/ paparazzi photos and stuff.

not sure how i feel about that, i wouldn't think paprazzi photos are considered stolen content. I never really thought about it before.

will76 · 02-20-2008, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by c-lo

He probably meant something along the lines of government intervention to regulate tube sites, like 2257. Illegal tube sites are pushing numbers that TGPs never did, plus offering full length hardcore porn with no true age verification. That can only continue for so long before government intervention arrives to properly regulate the industry.

EDIT: Nevermind, Tony cleared it up. Well then take the opinion above as my own.

I personally do not think the length of the video matters. If the govt changes laws to require 2257 for user submitted nudity and closes the loop hole that would be different. I don't think it makes a lot of sense to tell me I need 2257 for content on my site, but if i make my site a "community" and let other people upload my content to my site for me then I don't need 2257. its dumb.

The tube sites, full length videos or not, i dont think it matters. The anti porn people hate porn, 30 seconds porn and 30 minute porn. If the govt finally does step in I believe it would have done so regardless of the length of the videos that are being given away for free.

Fletch XXX · 02-20-2008, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

i am curious, do people think content on a site like this is stolen? http://celebs13.com/ paparazzi photos and stuff.

not sure how i feel about that, i wouldn't think paprazzi photos are considered stolen content. I never really thought about it before.

Fact: the photographer or the company who OWNS the COPYRIGHT to those photos and videos may use them.

The paparazzi OWN the rights to the photos, NOT the porn sites hording them and selling memberships to see them. Perez Hilton is forced to remove images almost daily from his site because he steals them from celeb paparazzi sites. Sites like TMX own the copyright to their content, you cant simply take it and make a site.

I am guessing the people who actually HAVE the CPYRIGHT to those photos and videos would see it differently than you. Someone other than the site owners are the copyright holders, and I doubt they see it a "public domain."

Fletch XXX · 02-20-2008, 04:23 PM

I dont see how there is even a difference to be honest.

You think the paparazzi are out there for free? They are being paid by their employers and the companies behind them, not out there just snapping photos for free. And the companies paying them for the photos are the "copyright owners."

The bottom line is this, if I pay you as a photographer to go track celebs and get pictures and videos - they belojng to ME at the end of the day. (This is what TMZ and all celeb paparazzi companies do) So when you come along, steal my content and make a site, why would you think that is not stealing content?

In Los Angeles there are soooo many companies that will hire you if you can spend your days following celebs and get pics, I used to follow them trying to get my own shots! They spend 20 hours a day sometimes overnight with walkie talking tracking celebs.

When you take their content and make a site, its COPYRIGFHT infringement, plain as day.

You either have a license to USE the photo or you do not. In the case of "celeb sites" - they do not have any license to use their content.

Fletch XXX · 02-20-2008, 04:27 PM

I think to narrow it down, instead of saying "stolen content" - the term "unlicensed content" may be a better way to describe it.

The bottom line is if you are using content without a license you are INFRINGING ON SOMEONE ELSES COPYRIGHT. Since you do not have the "rights to copy" the work. Whether its a picture of Princess Diana or Btieney Spears, someone owns the rights to the photo.

will76 · 02-20-2008, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

I dont see how there is even a difference to be honest.

You think the paparazzi are out there for free? They are being paid by their employers and the companies behind them, not out there just snapping photos for free. And the companies paying them for the photos are the "copyright owners."

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I've never thought about this issue more than a couple minutes to be honest so I am replying without knowing much about it. I would assume the paparazzi sell the photos to websites, magazines, etc.. and then that would be the issue of where public domain (fair use) comes in or not. So i don't think the paparazzi would be working for free, the picture they take would only hit the net unless they put it there or they sold it to someone (or someone stole their film out of their camera), so i doubt they are getting cheated.

Fletch XXX · 02-20-2008, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

I would assume the paparazzi sell the photos to websites, magazines, etc..

they LICENSE them, just like we LICENSE porn content to use on our sites.

Which is why I brought up UNLICENSED CONTENT.

There is no such thing as "stolen content" only UNLICENSED.

You either licensed or you are not.

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so i doubt they are getting cheated.

ummm this is the same as all "stolen content" arguments, the mp3 kids say it about mp3s, the software kiddies say it about Adobe Photoshop and you say it about celeb photos....... and doesnt change the fact that someone owns the rights to the photos and those diplaying it FOR MEMBERSHIP SUBSCRITIONS do not have the license to do so.

will76 · 02-20-2008, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

The bottom line is this, if I pay you as a photographer to go track celebs and get pictures and videos - they belojng to ME at the end of the day. (This is what TMZ and all celeb paparazzi companies do) So when you come along, steal my content and make a site, why would you think that is not stealing content?

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I agree with you there, if i paid a lot of money for content and then other people stole it that would suck.

Does the fact that the images were taken in public make a difference for fair use, public domain ? Obviously no one tries to copy the paris hilton sex tape or they get sued. But if she was having sex on the street and several people were taking pictures of it, wouldn't that make it public domain ?

Fletch XXX · 02-20-2008, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

I agree with you there, if i paid a lot of money for content and then other people stole it that would suck.

Which is the base of the discussion.

Someone has paid for and owns the photo/video. That is the bottom line.

You can imagine as many scenarios as you want regarding "public domain." That is not what is being discussed. The discussion is about "stolen content" - which in a laymans definition would be "content you do not have a license to use."

Which is why I narrowed it down to either you have a license to display the content or you do not. By coming down on those who steal a porn photo but supporting those who steal celeb photos, I simply had to point that out.

Again, whether or not Paris has sex in public is not the issue, the issue is the photographer who CAPTURED the image on his camera OWNS that image. You cannot display it for profit, thats for sure.

Fletch XXX · 02-20-2008, 04:49 PM

http://www.medialawyer.com/lec-copy.htm

III.WHAT COPYRIGHT DOES

* A. The copyright gives the author limited, exclusive rights to:

1. Reproduce the work;
2. Create derivative works based on the original work;
3. Distribute copies of the work;
4. To perform the work, or
5. To display the work in public.

No one has rights to copy an image or work except the COPYRIGHT HOLDER.

This has NOTHING to do with "public domain"

will76 · 02-20-2008, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

http://www.medialawyer.com/lec-copy.htm

III.WHAT COPYRIGHT DOES

* A. The copyright gives the author limited, exclusive rights to:

1. Reproduce the work;
2. Create derivative works based on the original work;
3. Distribute copies of the work;
4. To perform the work, or
5. To display the work in public.

No one has rights to copy an image or work except the COPYRIGHT HOLDER.

This has NOTHING to do with "public domain"

ok thanks, btw did you get any good photos while you were doing this work ?

Biggy · 02-20-2008, 05:28 PM

its a shame people don't see the bigger picture.

i highly suggest you do your research on megaflirt.com - the end of paid dating, compare it on alexa vs AFF, then look at how quickly they did that. this is now becoming a business of diminishing margins, to the guy above who wrote higher PPS.. companies need to make more money to pay out higher PPS, not less money. everyone should be looking to get these sites shut down, even the advertisers who think they benefit, like AFF. thats my opinion.

will76 · 02-20-2008, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biggy

its a shame people don't see the bigger picture.

i highly suggest you do your research on megaflirt.com - the end of paid dating, compare it on alexa vs AFF, then look at how quickly they did that. this is now becoming a business of diminishing margins, to the guy above who wrote higher PPS.. companies need to make more money to pay out higher PPS, not less money. everyone should be looking to get these sites shut down, even the advertisers who think they benefit, like AFF. thats my opinion.

anyone who is trying to benefit off of stolen content is not looking long term. They are looking to make the quick buck now. They don't give a shit what they ruin or who they work with, hopefully sites like this wont last long term either but that is all up to us. If everyone cuts these companies off it would put a huge dent in their pocket if not run some of them right out of business. But many affiliate think the same way as many of these companies, they dont care they just want to make the quick buck today, and they will worry about tomorrow, tomorrow.

Biggy · 02-20-2008, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76

anyone who is trying to benefit off of stolen content is not looking long term. They are looking to make the quick buck now. They don't give a shit what they ruin or who they work with, hopefully sites like this wont last long term either but that is all up to us. If everyone cuts these companies off it would put a huge dent in their pocket if not run some of them right out of business. But many affiliate think the same way as many of these companies, they dont care they just want to make the quick buck today, and they will worry about tomorrow, tomorrow.

look at the alexa on megaflirt. they are bigger than aff, and did it inside a few months.. if dating out of business, then the tube model dies because theyre probably the biggest financier of those sites. if dating companies didnt buy ads where they gave away free content, would those sites still make money?

and with dating, its less bandwidth, and no copyright issues, its much more susceptible to the free model. you should be making a big deal about this. :2cents maybe then when they realize its knocking on their door, they'll stop the advertising.

will76 · 02-20-2008, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biggy

look at the alexa on megaflirt. they are bigger than aff, and did it inside a few months.. if dating out of business, then the tube model dies because theyre probably the biggest financier of those sites. if dating companies didnt buy ads where they gave away free content, would those sites still make money?

and with dating, its less bandwidth, and no copyright issues, its much more susceptible to the free model. you should be making a big deal about this. :2cents maybe then when they realize its knocking on their door, they'll stop the advertising.

wow where did that site come from ? Thats some serious traffic to pop up out of no where. I wonder if they just copied megarotic or if they are owned by them. If theyare owned by them then it makes a little more sense, megarotic's traffic could probably be used to put any site on the map over night.

Dating always was always vulnerable to free sites, but i dont think you will ever see cams, at least not cams that have women under 300 pounds on it for free. When the first free cams site with hot looking girls on it who do shows for free, when that happens we all are fucked.

02-20-2008, 11:15 AM	#1
will76 Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 18,037	Free Porn, stolen content, tube sites, adapt or die... my thoughts on everything. The Free Porn Evolution, adapt or die! Click here for the full story How did we get to this point? When TGPs started in the 90's many people complained that they were giving away too much porn for free. As technology progressed and videos become more popular the free porn standard changed to 30 second video clips. For the most part the TGP/MGP sites controlled the market and obeyed an unsaid standard limiting how much free porn could be displayed on their sites. Today, the standard seems to have changed to 2 minute video clips and the TGP/MGP sites are no longer the sites setting the standard. Enter tube sites... Porn tube sites have only become popular in the last 12 to 18 months. As bandwidth prices dropped, more and more tube sites were launched changing the standard of free porn on the net daily. On most tube sites the standard is 2 minutes, however 3 minute videos are becoming more and more common. But, the real killer is the illegal tube sites that are loaded with stolen, full length videos. Technology and laws have failed to slow down the illegal tubes sites which commonly give away 20+ minute videos clips. Stolen Content is only as good as the means to distribute it, bandwidth prices use to keep things in check. Stolen content is not a new problem, however the means to distribute it weren't the best in the past. Take p2p, file sharing type sites for example. They were able to find a way around the high cost of bandwidth to distribute stolen content but they were not user friendly sites by any means. On a p2p site you don't get to see a preview image of the video, download time is not fast at all, and there is a very good chance that what you downloaded is not what you wanted. Then thrown in the fact you had to download from people you did not know and take a chance of getting viruses, you can see why that method never become very popular, especially with inexperienced surfers. On the other hand, the tube site model is very easy to use, you can get a valid description and picture of the video before you play it, and you don't have to download the video so no worries about viruses. P2P is a joke compared to tube sites, take a look at alexa's top 100 sites and you will see several illegal tube sites listed there When will this stop? Why do people keep giving away more and more porn? Before you can understand why people give away free porn you first have to understand....................... If you want to read more, the rest of my thoughts are posted on http://www.viraldiscussion.com/post/...n-adapt-or-die

02-20-2008, 11:16 AM	#2
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02-20-2008, 11:16 AM	#3
<>< Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 262	its different now. people fuck you to your face and other people stick up for the business model. __________________ <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< I like my little fishes.

02-20-2008, 11:21 AM	#4
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02-20-2008, 11:31 AM	#8
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02-20-2008, 11:26 AM	#5
ProjectNaked Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Detroit Areola Posts: 4,309	good read

02-20-2008, 11:32 AM	#9
OzMan Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Begas Posts: 9,162	Can you just post the solution, I'm in "short attention span" mode today?

02-20-2008, 11:35 AM	#10
devilspost Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Tampa yomebe -at- hotmail Posts: 3,980	I dont think the tube site videos are good quality, most look like shit and are small. If that is paysite quality porn than paysites suck. __________________ Brothels and Escorts Worldwide.

02-20-2008, 11:42 AM	#14
Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life (felis madjewicus) Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: In Mom & Dad's Basement Posts: 20,368	rapidshare forums are the real problem...

02-20-2008, 11:45 AM	#15
will76 Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 18,037	14 posts and no one bitching about having to click the link to read the rest of my thoughts ???

02-20-2008, 11:52 AM	#16
leedsfan leedsfan Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: purgatory Posts: 2,564	having created a legal tube site back in 2006, and now running a profitable business model around 2 minute clips of sponsor content i feel well qualified to jump in and say tgp and mgp owners are the biggest losers in the new space, because they relied on paid spots which now have decreased value, and will be worth next to nothing very soon. They are also the loudest voices on this board, trying to find new angles of complaint about how tube sites are ruining the industry. The big programs are working in conjunction with legal tube sites and figuring out the best models to make money with the growth in this space, and tgp mgp owners are no longer the ballers they thought they were. Given that they were so profitable for so long I have no problem calling them out, because most have made their money and can now do something new. The people that can't adapt from this space deserve to go out of business. Simple as that __________________ Advertise on Sex2ube.com New Tube Content Packages Save $10K +

02-20-2008, 11:53 AM	#17
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	You know what, I was surfing on a TGP site today that I used to submit to years ago because it made me money nearly every day. I was pretty amazed. Used to be that you had to submit to the right category. Go to a tgp right now and find a gallery listed as "big tits". 9 times out of 10 you will get a hardcore sex gallery where the PAYSITE has "tits" in the title. Reviewers used to re-categorize based on what the content is, or reject the submission outright. I didnt click for three way hardcore office sex, I clicked to see a woman with big tits. Anyone paying any attention? Oh, also the thumbnails in the gallery were production stills that didnt even match the action that was in the actual clips. They were clear as a bell though. Duh.. just plain duh. Click a "blowjob" gallery. You might get blowjob scenes, you might get facial scenes, you might get some sci-fi dick scene with every girl looking surprised. YAWNNNNNNNNNNN How about a blowjob scene? Reviewers? Do you know what a blowjob is? It's when a real human penis is being sucked on by a real human female. Unless it's a gay blowjob, in which case categorize it as such. If it's a facial cumshot, it's not a blowjob. And this site has a Facial category too, yet the very first BLOWJOB movie gallery I clicked was all facial content. Thats not what I clicked. Making any sense? I can see this as being the reason that other sites are doing better quite frankly. Perhaps, JUST PERHAPS, they are giving the surfer what the surfer is looking for. Not bullshitting them, not sending them to a trade blindly, not showing them a production still then a movie that doesnt match. Call me crazy all ya want, but I think maybe this has some merit. I dont use content in my advertising for years now, but god damn I dont know how I could stand it these days if I tried. And before someone asks or complains, I know I'm only picking on ONE anonymous site, not EVERY site. And no I wont name it, the point was in the message and has nothing to do with what site it is. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

02-20-2008, 11:57 AM	#19
Klen Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Little Vienna Posts: 32,235	I wonder will this be end of porn biz.I mean,all that illegal tube sites get over 10 millions hits daily.

02-20-2008, 12:31 PM	#26
»Rob Content« Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,348	I know everyone is going on and on about what can we do, what can we do. If you have content that is being stolen and you are not getting any resolve to the problem, you are pissed and anything else. I highly recommend you check out and use removeyourcontent.com I am in no way affiliated with them, but if you know me by my posting you know that I take this stuff seriously. I was speaking with a major program this past week and the owner informed me that since they started using removeyourcontent.com they have over 20k, yes that's right over twenty thousand links pulled from tubes, rapidshare, trader boards and other sites. Everyone wants a solution, well this is a huge one, and it works. Bottom line if your content is being stolen and you're not using them you're missing out. __________________ 80% Revshare or 30$ PPS on $1 trials: 200 Niches = Vidz.com Galleries / FLVs / Embeds 3 & 5mins FLVs \| RSS & Tube Feeds \| Matching Thumbs \| FLV Browser & Exporter \| No Prechecked Xsales >> Mobile Redirection Script: mobile.vidz.com also paying 80% net Lifetime << ICQ: 198-394-557 ICQ - 436 795 438 E-mail rob /@/ cool-content dotcom

02-20-2008, 12:34 PM	#27
leedsfan leedsfan Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: purgatory Posts: 2,564	bottom like is content producers have to learn how to be more viral in marketing/selling their content. TGP and MGP owners will have to change their business model or die. Tube sites will inevitably pave the way for new angles of exploitation, as tgp/mgp sites did before them Affiliate programs will be forced to work even harder for their traffic and offer more free content and free sites with upsell models/email farming. and affiliates will have to adapt their strategies as well. Leaning more toward embedded videos and blogs rather than submissions. I see smart affiliate programs offering good money for email harvesting as well as PPS in the days to come. __________________ Advertise on Sex2ube.com New Tube Content Packages Save $10K + Last edited by leedsfan; 02-20-2008 at 12:35 PM..

02-20-2008, 01:03 PM	#29
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Great article but to not even think about governments cracking down is crazy.

02-20-2008, 01:20 PM	#33
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	aLso porn dies tubes die alot less content to giveaway for free and then if they think we can retrain people to pay again. Thats very funny.

02-20-2008, 04:23 PM	#39
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	I dont see how there is even a difference to be honest. You think the paparazzi are out there for free? They are being paid by their employers and the companies behind them, not out there just snapping photos for free. And the companies paying them for the photos are the "copyright owners." The bottom line is this, if I pay you as a photographer to go track celebs and get pictures and videos - they belojng to ME at the end of the day. (This is what TMZ and all celeb paparazzi companies do) So when you come along, steal my content and make a site, why would you think that is not stealing content? In Los Angeles there are soooo many companies that will hire you if you can spend your days following celebs and get pics, I used to follow them trying to get my own shots! They spend 20 hours a day sometimes overnight with walkie talking tracking celebs. When you take their content and make a site, its COPYRIGFHT infringement, plain as day. You either have a license to USE the photo or you do not. In the case of "celeb sites" - they do not have any license to use their content. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

02-20-2008, 04:27 PM	#40
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	I think to narrow it down, instead of saying "stolen content" - the term "unlicensed content" may be a better way to describe it. The bottom line is if you are using content without a license you are INFRINGING ON SOMEONE ELSES COPYRIGHT. Since you do not have the "rights to copy" the work. Whether its a picture of Princess Diana or Btieney Spears, someone owns the rights to the photo. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

02-20-2008, 04:49 PM	#45
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	http://www.medialawyer.com/lec-copy.htm III.WHAT COPYRIGHT DOES * A. The copyright gives the author limited, exclusive rights to: 1. Reproduce the work; 2. Create derivative works based on the original work; 3. Distribute copies of the work; 4. To perform the work, or 5. To display the work in public. No one has rights to copy an image or work except the COPYRIGHT HOLDER. This has NOTHING to do with "public domain" __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

02-20-2008, 05:28 PM	#47
Biggy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 1,595	its a shame people don't see the bigger picture. i highly suggest you do your research on megaflirt.com - the end of paid dating, compare it on alexa vs AFF, then look at how quickly they did that. this is now becoming a business of diminishing margins, to the guy above who wrote higher PPS.. companies need to make more money to pay out higher PPS, not less money. everyone should be looking to get these sites shut down, even the advertisers who think they benefit, like AFF. thats my opinion.