What's the most unethical business practice? - GoFuckYourself.com

xxxjay · 03-04-2008, 01:59 AM

Through the years, the adult internet has come up with quite a few "outside the box" methods of generating sales. Almost everyone was used at least one of these on this list to some extent. I'm not here to judge or throw stones, I just wonder what webmasters find most egregious.

I went with a multiple choice on this one...

Mutt · 03-04-2008, 02:01 AM

looks like you forgot to do something

J. Falcon · 03-04-2008, 02:02 AM

Cross sales should be up there.

spunkmister · 03-04-2008, 02:02 AM

mine would be promising me something on the tour that isnt in the members area....something similar to this thread ;)

xxxjay · 03-04-2008, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

looks like you forgot to do something

Look now...

marketsmart · 03-04-2008, 02:03 AM

its a "fuck you before you fuck me" attitude that has ruined this business..

its comical, big oil has figured out how to price fix to become the most profitable industry in the corporate world, yet most adult companies would rather spend their time trying to fuck each other over instead of trying to figure out how to work together to maximize profits...

xxxjay · 03-04-2008, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by spunkmister

mine would be promising me something on the tour that isnt in the members area....something similar to this thread ;)

It's there now...for some reason the thread posts before the poll...GFY Mods...if you are reading this!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mutt · 03-04-2008, 02:06 AM

the most unethical business practice in this industry ever was just dinging up credit cards with fake charges - it can't get lower than that. See Crescent Publishing Gambino Family BabeNet et al. That was the lowest it goes. After that was X-Pics and holding credit cards hostage and dinging up more bogus credit card charges.

J. Falcon · 03-04-2008, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by J. Falcon

Cross sales should be up there.

Prechecked xsales

CyberHustler · 03-04-2008, 02:07 AM

I chose all of them.

xxxjay · 03-04-2008, 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt

the most unethical business practice in this industry ever was just dinging up credit cards with fake charges - it can't get lower than that. See Crescent Publishing Gambino Family BabeNet et al. That was the lowest it goes. After that was X-Pics and holding credit cards hostage and dinging up more bogus credit card charges.

Yeah...I remember that one, I thought it was the worst too. That one is so old-school I didn't even bother putting it on the list, because nobody has been that brazen since.

xxxjay · 03-04-2008, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by J. Falcon

Prechecked xsales

Xsales are part of any internet business. Book a trip on expedia or buy something from Amazon.com, they are quite aggressive these day.

Prechecked, no.

Aggressive, yes.

CyberHustler · 03-04-2008, 02:17 AM

Fake dating profiles I guess is ok to get things started if your dating site is just starting out. But once people start making real profiles there is no more need for fake profiles.

J. Falcon · 03-04-2008, 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxjay

Xsales are part of any internet business. Book a trip on expedia or buy something from Amazon.com, they are quite aggressive these day.

Prechecked, no.

Aggressive, yes.

On some adult sites I've seen them prechecked and in very small print.

Mutt · 03-04-2008, 02:22 AM

after Crescent and XPics in the Hall of Shame comes Jon Atherton - his spam and scam operation was insane - the Jenna Jameson Triple whatever he called it - I had no pity for all the crybaby affiliates he stiffed for millions because they were doing the same thing Brazzers and others are doing with the Tube sites - aiding and abetting and profiting from a crime.

DjiXas · 03-04-2008, 02:23 AM

Voted for all of them, just for a sake of free right to vote.

Mutt · 03-04-2008, 02:26 AM

pre-crossed x-sales - the straight forward ones i have no issue with - they're not much different than recurring billing - we know that a big % of revenue in this industry comes from recurring charges the customers forget about.

it's the ones that go a step further and have these Lifetime memberships to a site that has no domain name/URL - basically the type of join page Shap was on here crying about 6 months ago.

Markul · 03-04-2008, 02:32 AM

Voted...

will76 · 03-04-2008, 02:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxjay

Through the years, the adult internet has come up with quite a few "outside the box" methods of generating sales. Almost everyone was used at least one of these on this list to some extent. I'm not here to judge or throw stones, I just wonder what webmasters find most egregious.

I went with a multiple choice on this one...

Unethical Business practices: I wouldnt have pop ups in there.

There is two groups you need to break those choices down into, the fuck me group and the doesn't fuck me group. I am only concerned with what other people do that fucks me. If you want to spam, then you are not hurting me. I don't see that as a business ethic, maybe a bad business practice to your customers or whatever.

Bad for surfers, none of my business if you do it:
Pop-ups.
Spam.
Pre-check xsales
Fake dating profiles
Limed Trial Member's areas

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Bad for webmasters, Bad Business ethics, you fucking others here.
Rip-off member's areas. (STEALING Content)
Spyware / scumware (STEALING Traffic)
Starting an illegal tube site (facilitating STOLEN Content )
Shaving (STEALING Joins)
Buying tube traffic (from illegal tubes?) (funding Sites that profit from STOLEN Content)

Huge difference between the 2 groups in my opinion.

xxxjay · 03-04-2008, 03:22 AM

I'm suprised to see shaving still so far up there. Considering it really is practiced as much anymore.

xxxjay · 03-04-2008, 12:11 PM

bump...for the day

Far-L · 03-04-2008, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

I'm suprised to see shaving still so far up there. Considering it really is practiced as much anymore.

Shaving is still alive and well, imo, but just practiced in ways that most webmasters don't consider since most people are accustomed to think of shaving as click fraud and don't think about the shady accounting practices like false credits/cancels etc.

Of course, figuring that out is a bit more complex and requires things like audits that most webmasters are not about to demand from their sponsors.

Vick! · 03-04-2008, 09:46 PM

I started checking and it turned out that I checked almost all of them except popups.

Where is "All of above" option?

tony286 · 03-04-2008, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marketsmart

its a "fuck you before you fuck me" attitude that has ruined this business..

its comical, big oil has figured out how to price fix to become the most profitable industry in the corporate world, yet most adult companies would rather spend their time trying to fuck each other over instead of trying to figure out how to work together to maximize profits...

excellent post

GrouchyAdmin · 03-04-2008, 09:49 PM

I can't believe that popups are even an option. Doesn't almost every program have a console free option? Jesus, people.

Iron Fist · 03-04-2008, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Far-L

Of course, figuring that out is a bit more complex and requires things like audits that most webmasters are not about to demand from their sponsors.

Blah... if I look in Nifty by program under CCBILL and see since I started sending traffic, that I got 4 signups and 4 chargebacks i'm dropping that program no matter how good the content is... it doesn't happen too often, but it has happened and it's out there for sure.

NinjaSteve · 03-04-2008, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

Unethical Business practices: I wouldnt have pop ups in there.

There is two groups you need to break those choices down into, the fuck me group and the doesn't fuck me group. I am only concerned with what other people do that fucks me. If you want to spam, then you are not hurting me. I don't see that as a business ethic, maybe a bad business practice to your customers or whatever.

Bad for surfers, none of my business if you do it:
Pop-ups.
Spam.
Pre-check xsales
Fake dating profiles
Limed Trial Member's areas

---------------------

Bad for webmasters, Bad Business ethics, you fucking others here.
Rip-off member's areas. (STEALING Content)
Spyware / scumware (STEALING Traffic)
Starting an illegal tube site (facilitating STOLEN Content )
Shaving (STEALING Joins)
Buying tube traffic (from illegal tubes?) (funding Sites that profit from STOLEN Content)

Huge difference between the 2 groups in my opinion.

I think "Rip-off member's areas" means a members area that sucks, not using stolen content. For example you are promoting a foot fetish site. The inside has about 1000 foot fetish pics then a shit load of feeds. That would be a rip off members area.

Martin · 03-04-2008, 11:49 PM

Anything to do with theft I'm against.

Cash · 03-04-2008, 11:57 PM

shavin,g spam, fake dating profiles, spyware, other ...

bDok · 03-05-2008, 12:07 AM

without a doubt spyware is the most unethical business practice.

Socks · 03-05-2008, 12:23 AM

or using web toolbars or .exe's to swap refcodes

GrouchyAdmin · 03-05-2008, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Socks

or using web toolbars or .exe's to swap refcodes

Look one post up. Spyware/malware is still just that even if it pretends to do other shit.

signupdamnit · 03-05-2008, 12:34 AM

I voted for others as well but shaving has to be number one. Here are people just trying to earn a living and helping you to make money and you cheat them out of what is rightfully theirs. Not only that but in many cases you know them and converse with them on places like GFY. It is like smiling in someone's face and pretending to be their friend the day after you robbed their home and stole the money they were going to use to feed their kids for the week.

View Poll Results: What's the most unethical business practice?
Pop-ups.	7	8.97%
Spam.	17	21.79%
Rip-off member's areas.	25	32.05%
Spyware / scumware	35	44.87%
Pre-check xsales	19	24.36%
Fake dating profiles	15	19.23%
Limed Trial Member's areas	6	7.69%
Starting an illegal tube site	28	35.90%
Shaving	49	62.82%
Buying tube traffic	12	15.38%
Other...	12	15.38%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 78. You may not vote on this poll

03-04-2008, 01:59 AM	#1
xxxjay Tube groupie. Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: LoScandalous, CA Posts: 13,482	What's the most unethical business practice? Through the years, the adult internet has come up with quite a few "outside the box" methods of generating sales. Almost everyone was used at least one of these on this list to some extent. I'm not here to judge or throw stones, I just wonder what webmasters find most egregious. I went with a multiple choice on this one... __________________ http://donttellmehowtoruinmylife.com/ - http://www.jmdigitalmarketing.com/my...s-and-reviews/ - http://www.wouldyouhitit.org - http://shinyobjectreviews.com/

03-04-2008, 02:01 AM	#2
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	looks like you forgot to do something __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

03-04-2008, 02:02 AM	#3
J. Falcon www.AdultCopywriters.com Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 31,618	Cross sales should be up there. __________________ Adult Copywriters SEO Content for Porn Sites sales at adultcopywriters dot com

03-04-2008, 02:06 AM	#8
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	the most unethical business practice in this industry ever was just dinging up credit cards with fake charges - it can't get lower than that. See Crescent Publishing Gambino Family BabeNet et al. That was the lowest it goes. After that was X-Pics and holding credit cards hostage and dinging up more bogus credit card charges. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

03-04-2008, 02:02 AM	#4
spunkmister Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,362	mine would be promising me something on the tour that isnt in the members area....something similar to this thread ;)

03-04-2008, 02:03 AM	#6
marketsmart HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sunnybrook Institution for the Criminally Insane Posts: 20,419	its a "fuck you before you fuck me" attitude that has ruined this business.. its comical, big oil has figured out how to price fix to become the most profitable industry in the corporate world, yet most adult companies would rather spend their time trying to fuck each other over instead of trying to figure out how to work together to maximize profits...

03-04-2008, 02:07 AM	#10
CyberHustler Masterbaiter Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 26,177	I chose all of them.

03-04-2008, 02:17 AM	#13
CyberHustler Masterbaiter Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 26,177	Fake dating profiles I guess is ok to get things started if your dating site is just starting out. But once people start making real profiles there is no more need for fake profiles.

03-04-2008, 02:22 AM	#15
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	after Crescent and XPics in the Hall of Shame comes Jon Atherton - his spam and scam operation was insane - the Jenna Jameson Triple whatever he called it - I had no pity for all the crybaby affiliates he stiffed for millions because they were doing the same thing Brazzers and others are doing with the Tube sites - aiding and abetting and profiting from a crime. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

03-04-2008, 02:23 AM	#16
DjiXas So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,108	Voted for all of them, just for a sake of free right to vote.

03-04-2008, 02:26 AM	#17
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	pre-crossed x-sales - the straight forward ones i have no issue with - they're not much different than recurring billing - we know that a big % of revenue in this industry comes from recurring charges the customers forget about. it's the ones that go a step further and have these Lifetime memberships to a site that has no domain name/URL - basically the type of join page Shap was on here crying about 6 months ago. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

03-04-2008, 02:32 AM	#18
Markul Likes Pie Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: The land that liberated porn Posts: 12,401	Voted...

03-04-2008, 03:22 AM	#20
xxxjay Tube groupie. Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: LoScandalous, CA Posts: 13,482	I'm suprised to see shaving still so far up there. Considering it really is practiced as much anymore. __________________ http://donttellmehowtoruinmylife.com/ - http://www.jmdigitalmarketing.com/my...s-and-reviews/ - http://www.wouldyouhitit.org - http://shinyobjectreviews.com/

03-04-2008, 12:11 PM	#21
xxxjay Tube groupie. Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: LoScandalous, CA Posts: 13,482	bump...for the day __________________ http://donttellmehowtoruinmylife.com/ - http://www.jmdigitalmarketing.com/my...s-and-reviews/ - http://www.wouldyouhitit.org - http://shinyobjectreviews.com/

03-04-2008, 09:46 PM	#23
Vick! Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: 20 00'24.00" N, 75 09'00.00 W Posts: 6,882	I started checking and it turned out that I checked almost all of them except popups. Where is "All of above" option? __________________ Affordable Quality Web Hosting

03-04-2008, 09:49 PM	#25
GrouchyAdmin Now choke yourself! Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 12,085	I can't believe that popups are even an option. Doesn't almost every program have a console free option? Jesus, people. __________________ AIM: GrouchyGfy

03-04-2008, 11:49 PM	#28
Martin "Assassins" Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: At home Posts: 17,277	Anything to do with theft I'm against. __________________

03-04-2008, 11:57 PM	#29
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03-05-2008, 12:07 AM	#30
bDok Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: SD/OC/LA Posts: 1,917	without a doubt spyware is the most unethical business practice. __________________ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Warriors come out to plaAAaayyy! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

03-05-2008, 12:23 AM	#31
Socks Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,475	or using web toolbars or .exe's to swap refcodes

03-05-2008, 12:34 AM	#33
signupdamnit Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,697	I voted for others as well but shaving has to be number one. Here are people just trying to earn a living and helping you to make money and you cheat them out of what is rightfully theirs. Not only that but in many cases you know them and converse with them on places like GFY. It is like smiling in someone's face and pretending to be their friend the day after you robbed their home and stole the money they were going to use to feed their kids for the week. __________________ You don't like my posts? Put me on ignore or fuck right off. I'll say what I want.