Solo girls whos internet fame has been growing?

[Slap Dot]

Who is growing? Who's the next Raven?

Let me know and leave ref. codes.

[Mutt]

ain't no next Raven that i've seen from the current crop.

[moeloubani]

i think i just may know the next tranny solo girl, is that possible?

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

Originally Posted by Mutt

ain't no next Raven that i've seen from the current crop.

agreed...

[DutchTeenCash]

there are tons of solo girls who are really cute but a Raven and the sales and hype she has no I dont think so

[WebCashMaker]

Here are 2 new girls.

[Danny B]

Raven is in a league of her own. But i have to say that
www.sexylette.com took me by surprise last internext in Miami.

[3xTom]

Wow am I flattered , Oh yeah so is Raven

[diesel]

IvanaFukalot.com had TV coverage yesterday on Russian mainstream channel

[DutchTeenCash]

funny how every solo thread all of a sudden becomes a blatant spam thread no matter what you ask

[st0ned]

See sig

[pornlaw]

Not new but certainly gaining fame...Paris ..... www.playwithparis.com

She was offered a Vivid contract that she turned down, toyed with a Wicked contract and Fleshlight is doing a couple of toys for her.

She starts her season on Webdreams on Showcase in Canada in the fall. And Fox Reality wanted her for a show as well.

She signed at my booth at AVN and she had guys lined up 25 deep who didnt even know who she was, while other pornstars I had signing had 1-2 guys at a time for autographs.

She is one of my clients with the most potential for future stardom.

[AK]

mandy mayhem!

[Slap Dot]

I was looking for the up and coming girls of the industry. AKA: Branded girls who get searched for.

[Wizzo]

I didn't know that Raven was done, from best I can tell she's still growing and is on top for sure!

[Nasty D]

Originally Posted by AK

mandy mayhem!

Hell Yeah She loves her CAM

[TheSenator]

Originally Posted by Danny B

Raven is in a league of her own. But i have to say that
www.sexylette.com took me by surprise last internext in Miami.

She does with a cute look with a sexy body. DAMN!

[ADL Colin]

Both hot for sure ...

http://www.playwithparis.com
http://www.sexylette.com

[sniperwolf]

Raven will be Raven...

next to her... no idea for now...

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

Originally Posted by WebCashMaker

Here are 2 new girls.

Sites lok really good, if you'd like to have them reviewed for a sologirl reviews site hit me up. I should be launching within the month or two once I hit the 5 review mark. I'm writing lengthy reviews as opposed to fluffy site descriptions, so things are taking a while....

dorp me a line on icq if you'd like to see the site...

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

Originally Posted by pornlaw

Not new but certainly gaining fame...Paris ..... www.playwithparis.com

She was offered a Vivid contract that she turned down, toyed with a Wicked contract and Fleshlight is doing a couple of toys for her.

She starts her season on Webdreams on Showcase in Canada in the fall. And Fox Reality wanted her for a show as well.

She signed at my booth at AVN and she had guys lined up 25 deep who didnt even know who she was, while other pornstars I had signing had 1-2 guys at a time for autographs.

She is one of my clients with the most potential for future stardom.

Reviewed Paris's site a while back, she is A FUCKING HOTTIE that's for sure. She comes across grea ton the camera, but I doubt she can touch Raven still. Why did she turn down Vivid, is she not interested in going the hardcore road? If that's not the case I'd have to say she made a BAD call on that. Vivid could do really really good things with her for her career. She's certainly got the look. but if what she wants is to stay a cutesy softcore chick, that's cool. She'll still do well...

[Craig T]

Behind a Raven is a hard working team. Raven is perfect for spot as she is never in any dramas, and she never let it go to her head.

While someone will come up someday to take the spot, until then, Raven is benchmark of how to handle success.

Best of luck to all comers!

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

Originally Posted by Craig T

Behind a Raven is a hard working team. Raven is perfect for spot as she is never in any dramas, and she never let it go to her head.

While someone will come up someday to take the spot, until then, Raven is benchmark of how to handle success.

Best of luck to all comers!

Yup, before Raven, I'd have to say Kate (maybe Jordan) was the reigning queen of the sologirl niche. Raven's domination of the niche will last a couple years, but you will see a new superstar rise up in the next year or two. I just haven't seen one I think has got it on lockdown yet. Not with what it takes to stick around at least. It takes a special look, but the look itself is still only a small part of is involved in this level of success. Interestingly enough I'd have to say the girl running closest to Raven is Liz. JMC has really got their shit together on this, and truthfully I wouldn't be surprised if they were the ones to bring us the next big name too...

[3xTom]

Originally Posted by ismokeblunts

truthfully I wouldn't be surprised if they were the ones to bring us the next big name too...

I am working on it

Shhhh
Thats top secret information there

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

Originally Posted by 3xTom

I am working on it

Shhhh
Thats top secret information there

Haha, do us proud...

[newbreed]

Originally Posted by 3xTom

I am working on it

Shhhh
Thats top secret information there

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

So is this saying we shold be crossing our fingers for another big JMC anouncement in 08? :D

[Mutt]

Paris turned down a VIVID contract

please

[Beaver Bob]

In the world of Fat and BBW, it is most definitely Princess Lissa

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by Danny B

Raven is in a league of her own. But i have to say that
www.sexylette.com took me by surprise last internext in Miami.

[Nasty D]

That has to be tough to eat with.

[Horny Alf]

Thainee.com


Thainee has seen amazing growth and has been converting like fire since her intro not too long ago. She has been hailed as the worlds smallest porn star. Check out her site and sign up to promote her at www.butterflybucks.com

[NinjaSteve]

What about Melissa Midwest?

[spunky99]

u really cant compare raven to kate to jordan to melissa, each girl is different and has different content on their sites..

[snaker]

any guesses on what RR bills per month? the figure I was told makes me belive no one will top her

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

Originally Posted by spunky99

u really cant compare raven to kate to jordan to melissa, each girl is different and has different content on their sites..

sure you can, they're all in fairly direct competition with one another. you HAVE to compare them, and if you believe that surfers follow the "you can't compare these girls to one another" mindset you are sadly mistaken. whatever the case may be. I realize kate is more of a tease site and that caters to a slightly different crowd, melissa may be more the girl next door, jordan the cutesy chick, raven more the sultry sex kitten, but in the end they are all competing with one another in basically the same arena for the attention of what for the most part is the same traffic/crowd...

why's kate not do camshows anymore spunky?

[spunky99]

she doesnt wanna do them anymore, she did them for liek what.. 3 years? she might do the odd one if she feels up to it

but i dont think they should be compared, some take cock, some take alot of cock, some take a lil cock, some take no cock, puts them into different catagories really

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

Originally Posted by spunky99

she doesnt wanna do them anymore, she did them for liek what.. 3 years? she might do the odd one if she feels up to it

but i dont think they should be compared, some take cock, some take alot of cock, some take a lil cock, some take no cock, puts them into different catagories really

you think they shouldn't be compared because you're a producer and you don't want them to be compared. which is acceptable, but not realistic when you consider that most of the girls are promoted side by side on a large portion of the sites promoting them. it's no different than having a dozen hot chicks in a room together. they're all hot in their own way, sure, but you're going to sit down and start judging them against eachother whether you like to admit it or not in the first 30 seconds...

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by ismokeblunts

you think they shouldn't be compared because you're a producer and you don't want them to be compared. which is acceptable, but not realistic when you consider that most of the girls are promoted side by side on a large portion of the sites promoting them. it's no different than having a dozen hot chicks in a room together. they're all hot in their own way, sure, but you're going to sit down and start judging them against eachother whether you like to admit it or not in the first 30 seconds...

they may all be promoted on the same pages but a girl that interests one surfer isn't going to be of any interest to another surfer. some girls have niche audiences, some girls appeal to a wider audience. some girls convert better than others but don't get promoted as much because affiliates perceive they aren't as cute or hot as the others.

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

Originally Posted by Mutt

they may all be promoted on the same pages but a girl that interests one surfer isn't going to be of any interest to another surfer. some girls have niche audiences, some girls appeal to a wider audience. some girls convert better than others but don't get promoted as much because affiliates perceive they aren't as cute or hot as the others.

So what it comes down to is YES, THEY ARE ALL BEING COMPARED. Even people working on our side of the line who know better than to pigeonhole things into their own likes for marketable product, still judge. Obviously the majority of surfers are going to. To say that you can't compare the girls is just silly, because EVERYONE is going to do it. The thing I find with promoting sologirl stuff is that you can't settle with one or two girls that you happen to like more. You have to offer up little of everything, because everyone has different tastes, and sologirl surfers are gonna surf away until they find a girl whose look and personality does it for them. Once you've got the signup you better have something to offer if you want that rebill.

As you yourself said some girls just have mass appeal, and I think what the original point was getting at here is questioning 'who is going to be that next mass appeal girl' or the one who takes the masses by storm, which Raven quite clearly is doing right now. In my eyes it takes a combination of a unique look, a distinct personality, dedication to the site on the models part, and the dedicated backing of a good program to propel a sologirl site to the top of a market saturated with halfassed offerings. Obviously taking some cock is going to give a girl some competitive edge over the softcore nude and nonnude tease models when it comes to overall sales, but that isn't a factor that is going to dictate success one way or the other.

Soon enough a new girl will come along who leaves everyone drooling, and she will rise to the top as others have before her. And you better believe that she's been compared to everyone else before getting there...

I'm not arguing that the girls have different offerings to different tastes, and i'm not saying one is any "better" than the other, but I will argue that saying "you can't compare them" is just a ridiculous statement. Certain models rise to the top for a reason...

[WebCashMaker]

Originally Posted by ismokeblunts

Sites lok really good, if you'd like to have them reviewed for a sologirl reviews site hit me up. I should be launching within the month or two once I hit the 5 review mark. I'm writing lengthy reviews as opposed to fluffy site descriptions, so things are taking a while....

dorp me a line on icq if you'd like to see the site...

ICQ sent.

Thank you very much

[commonsense]

Originally Posted by ismokeblunts

So what it comes down to is YES, THEY ARE ALL BEING COMPARED. Even people working on our side of the line who know better than to pigeonhole things into their own likes for marketable product, still judge. Obviously the majority of surfers are going to. To say that you can't compare the girls is just silly, because EVERYONE is going to do it. The thing I find with promoting sologirl stuff is that you can't settle with one or two girls that you happen to like more. You have to offer up little of everything, because everyone has different tastes, and sologirl surfers are gonna surf away until they find a girl whose look and personality does it for them. Once you've got the signup you better have something to offer if you want that rebill.

As you yourself said some girls just have mass appeal, and I think what the original point was getting at here is questioning 'who is going to be that next mass appeal girl' or the one who takes the masses by storm, which Raven quite clearly is doing right now. In my eyes it takes a combination of a unique look, a distinct personality, dedication to the site on the models part, and the dedicated backing of a good program to propel a sologirl site to the top of a market saturated with halfassed offerings. Obviously taking some cock is going to give a girl some competitive edge over the softcore nude and nonnude tease models when it comes to overall sales, but that isn't a factor that is going to dictate success one way or the other.

Soon enough a new girl will come along who leaves everyone drooling, and she will rise to the top as others have before her. And you better believe that she's been compared to everyone else before getting there...

I'm not arguing that the girls have different offerings to different tastes, and i'm not saying one is any "better" than the other, but I will argue that saying "you can't compare them" is just a ridiculous statement. Certain models rise to the top for a reason...

Rise to the top of what?


There are PLENTY of sologirls that I sell better than any of the "top sologirls". More sales & rebills. But as a webmaster for sure you decide what you think your surfers want to see. Like it or not, personal taste plays a key role in the sites and niches most webmasters choose to promote.


You make decisions on what programs to promote, since most don't have the traffic and time to promote all the sologirl sites out there. I think last I looked I promote 800+ different sologirl sites, and place the top girls next to lesser know girls and let the surfer decide.

[commonsense]

Originally Posted by ismokeblunts

So what it comes down to is YES, THEY ARE ALL BEING COMPARED. Even people working on our side of the line who know better than to pigeonhole things into their own likes for marketable product, still judge. Obviously the majority of surfers are going to. To say that you can't compare the girls is just silly, because EVERYONE is going to do it. The thing I find with promoting sologirl stuff is that you can't settle with one or two girls that you happen to like more. You have to offer up little of everything, because everyone has different tastes, and sologirl surfers are gonna surf away until they find a girl whose look and personality does it for them. Once you've got the signup you better have something to offer if you want that rebill.

As you yourself said some girls just have mass appeal, and I think what the original point was getting at here is questioning 'who is going to be that next mass appeal girl' or the one who takes the masses by storm, which Raven quite clearly is doing right now. In my eyes it takes a combination of a unique look, a distinct personality, dedication to the site on the models part, and the dedicated backing of a good program to propel a sologirl site to the top of a market saturated with halfassed offerings. Obviously taking some cock is going to give a girl some competitive edge over the softcore nude and nonnude tease models when it comes to overall sales, but that isn't a factor that is going to dictate success one way or the other.

Soon enough a new girl will come along who leaves everyone drooling, and she will rise to the top as others have before her. And you better believe that she's been compared to everyone else before getting there...

I'm not arguing that the girls have different offerings to different tastes, and i'm not saying one is any "better" than the other, but I will argue that saying "you can't compare them" is just a ridiculous statement. Certain models rise to the top for a reason...

Rise to the top of what?


There are PLENTY of sologirls that I sell better than any of the "top sologirls". More sales & rebills. But as a webmaster for sure you decide what you think your surfers want to see. Like it or not, personal taste plays a key role in the sites and niches most webmasters choose to promote.


You make decisions on what programs to promote, since most don't have the traffic and time to promote all the sologirl sites out there. I think last I looked I promote 800+ different sologirl sites, and place the top girls next to lesser known girls and let the surfer decide.

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

Originally Posted by commonsense

Rise to the top of what?


There are PLENTY of sologirls that I sell better than any of the "top sologirls". More sales & rebills. But as a webmaster for sure you decide what you think your surfers want to see. Like it or not, personal taste plays a key role in the sites and niches most webmasters choose to promote.


You make decisions on what programs to promote, since most don't have the traffic and time to promote all the sologirl sites out there. I think last I looked I promote 800+ different sologirl sites, and place the top girls next to lesser know girls and let the surfer decide.

Rise above the competition. There IS competition you realize right? What part of this are people not putting together? There's a reason why one girl's number of subscribers are consistently higher than the next. She's been judged as having a more desirable site than the compeition she's been compared to by the surfers. Mind you I'm not solely speaking about comparing the models themselves but their sites against one another. Take 1000 surfers and give them a choice to take a free pass out of 1000 sites, and you're going to wind up with one girl who gets more sales than the rest. Due to her visual appeal, her site's appeal, the personality and feel she puts across, the drive the program puts behind promoting her site, etc etc. There's more than one factor dictating success, but you said it yourself, you promote 800+ sologirls, which is probably still far from covering all of them. Webmasters are going to do their best to pick which sites they think are going to sell the best for them. Now out of the 800 sites you promote it's probably safe to say a good portion of those sites are long dead, the girl has nothing to do with them personally, the quality of the site and it's content is borderline, or whatever. How to some program owners and independent sologirls, maybe 20-30 total signups a month is success, but there are certainly girls out there doing A LOT more sales than that. Models who put on regular camshows and chats, update their sites two or more times a week, have a steady supply of fresh quality video and hot photo sets, and just generally DELIVER, and stay in it for the long haul (2+ years IS a long haul, haha). If you as a program owner are happy with your sales and the model is happy with what she's making, nobody is losing any. but to si there and say there is no competition, or that you can't compare girls and their sites IS RIDICULOUS...

[commonsense]

Originally Posted by ismokeblunts

Rise above the competition. There IS competition you realize right? What part of this are people not putting together? There's a reason why one girl's number of subscribers are consistently higher than the next. She's been judged as having a more desirable site than the compeition she's been compared to by the surfers. Mind you I'm not solely speaking about comparing the models themselves but their sites against one another. Take 1000 surfers and give them a choice to take a free pass out of 1000 sites, and you're going to wind up with one girl who gets more sales than the rest. Due to her visual appeal, her site's appeal, the personality and feel she puts across, the drive the program puts behind promoting her site, etc etc. There's more than one factor dictating success, but you said it yourself, you promote 800+ sologirls, which is probably still far from covering all of them. Webmasters are going to do their best to pick which sites they think are going to sell the best for them. Now out of the 800 sites you promote it's probably safe to say a good portion of those sites are long dead, the girl has nothing to do with them personally, the quality of the site and it's content is borderline, or whatever. How to some program owners and independent sologirls, maybe 20-30 total signups a month is success, but there are certainly girls out there doing A LOT more sales than that. Models who put on regular camshows and chats, update their sites two or more times a week, have a steady supply of fresh quality video and hot photo sets, and just generally DELIVER, and stay in it for the long haul (2+ years IS a long haul, haha). If you as a program owner are happy with your sales and the model is happy with what she's making, nobody is losing any. but to si there and say there is no competition, or that you can't compare girls and their sites IS RIDICULOUS...

For the sake of discussion, you seem to think that all sologirls have the same amount of traffic and marketing when they launch, and grow or not from there. Not at all like that. Or that all sales are affiliate driven. We'll never know who will sell the best since no one has access to that much information. Maybe Bike or one of the directories, but even they push some girls harder than others. Comparing sologirls is comparing apples or oranges, since they are all different PEOPLE


The vast majority of sologirl sites don't have the model personally involved and never have, probably 98% of them. I'm cool with that for good reason, model owned sites rarely last a long time. They have some life changing event and want to take the site down.


I can't even say that there is a correlation between sales and things like cam shows, since sales and rebills can be just as good on "dead" sologirl site. I can't explain it, other than the member totally loves the girl or they died and are just rebilling. As long as the site updates on a regular schedule and appears to be current, thats what matters. But there are sites with an embarrassing low quantity of content and should become part of a network instead of solo separately.


It's more about matching the surfer with the girl they will fall in love with, that seems the main thing to get people to buy. Maybe the girl reminds them of a past girlfriend, their secretary, a neighborhood girl, whatever. A guy really has to dig a girls looks in the first place to even join a sologirl site.


This is all a marketing question anyways, as to why certain sologirls are marketed better than others, and more webmasters want to sell them. Thats all it comes down to. Some sologirls have that "it" factor that makes you think they'll sell, even if they don't. And you don't take down their links cause their hot, or have a good SE listing on their name, or you personally like the site even if you never make sales with them.


I have a few sponsors like that. 0:tens of thousands but still leave up the links.

[3xTom]

Originally Posted by ismokeblunts

So is this saying we shold be crossing our fingers for another big JMC anouncement in 08? :D

Cross your fingers AND your toes for the next BIG NEWS

[Robbie]

Sales and rebills are what make a girl the top in my book. We have over 2000 members and growing....all full $34.99 memberships (no trials) First month, when CM's site was new, we were slamming 60 + new signups a day. Freaked me out! Now, less than a year later, things have calmed down a bit. And we still are doing an average of 25 + signups a day. I know those are tiny numbers compared to the big network sites like Incredible Dollars, Naughty America, etc. who are doing hundreds and sometimes a thousand signups a day....but for a solo girl site, it's pretty damn good.
Not sure about Ravens' site. I promoted it in the past, and never was able to do much. But that doesn't mean anything. You know how that goes...one person can push something and do nothing with it while another pushes it and it sells great.

[Raven Riley]

Originally Posted by Mutt

ain't no next Raven that i've seen from the current crop.

aww you are the sweetest!!! hehe thanks babe;)