So Bush is sending the real president to talk to the head of opec.

[tony286]

about raising oil production, this should be interesting.They told w to piss off.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/03/...ast/cheney.php

[theking]

Originally Posted by tony404

about raising oil production, this should be interesting.They told w to piss off.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/03/...ast/cheney.php

It is my understanding that the world is currently glutted with oil...so I really do not know why oil producing countries would agree to increase production when there may very well be no way to store anymore oil...at this point in time. My understanding is there is a shortage of refining capabilities not a shortage of oil.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by theking

It is my understanding that the world is currently glutted with oil...so I really do not know why oil producing countries would agree to increase production when there may very well be no way to store anymore oil...at this point in time. My understanding is there is a shortage of refining capabilities not a shortage of oil.

Actually all gas capacities are full in the us. It's in a article I posted here a while ago.

[tony286]

i found it http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...&highlight=gas

[dav3]

Well its a good thing cheney is there to do whats right for the American ppl. I was worried for a minute.

[theking]

Originally Posted by tony404

Actually all gas capacities are full in the us. It's in a article I posted here a while ago.

I read in the article that gas supplies are high...at that point in time...and I know that there has been some increase in refining capacity...but a shortage of oil is not the problem at this point...it is still the refining capacity that is the major problem. If the world was glutted with gas then the price of gas would drop to some extent...but over all the price of gas will continue to steadily climb as oil itself is a finite resource and world demand is continuing to climb. Alternative fuels will be increased more and more but they will always be higher than fossil fuels. Societies will simply have to make adjustments as fossil fuels dwindle.

[Str8Shooter]

in other words, were screwed... will never see $2 a gallon gas : (

[Gouge]

Originally Posted by tony404

about raising oil production, this should be interesting.They told w to piss off.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/03/...ast/cheney.php

Who do you think should have been sent as a representitive if not Dick Cheney?

Where in that article did it say they told him to piss off...i cant find it?

[Gouge]

Originally Posted by Gouge

Who do you think should have been sent as a representitive if not Dick Cheney?

Where in that article did it say they told him to piss off...i cant find it?

Edit - representative

[D Ghost]

Saudi Arabia owns george w bush

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by theking

..it is still the refining capacity that is the major problem....

Maybe they should spend some of those billions in profits to build more refinaries... and standardize on fuel accross all the states so they don't have to refine different shit for everyone... but then again.. they wouldn't be able to use refining etc. as an execuse to jack up prices anymore..

[theking]

Originally Posted by Tempest

Maybe they should spend some of those billions in profits to build more refinaries... and standardize on fuel accross all the states so they don't have to refine different shit for everyone... but then again.. they wouldn't be able to use refining etc. as an execuse to jack up prices anymore..

Well...they have been spending billions to expand the production of current refineries and if I am not mistaken a new refinery is under way and will take ten years or more to come on line. Government regulations and Enviromentalists make building a refinery near to impossible.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Gouge

Where in that article did it say they told him to piss off...i cant find it?

figures .....


From THAT same article:

At a meeting Wednesday in Vienna, OPEC rebuffed a Bush statement two days earlier calling for increased output.

OPEC said speculators and what it called the "mismanagement" of the U.S. economy were to blame for high oil prices. The cartel left its production levels unchanged, saying that the market did not need more oil.

... were you actually looking for the words " piss off " .... Head of states, aside from the cowboy, don't use such language.

[Gouge]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

figures .....

From THAT same article:

... were you actually looking for the words " piss off " .... Head of states, aside from the cowboy, don't use such language.

I took that statement as just more smoke and mirrors spin to deflect the heat from them and onto the world stage. The hidden message of "piss off" others are seeing didnt even come to mind.

Anyway there statement actually makes no sence. This so called "mismanagement" of the U.S. economy has no reflection on Oil Prices seeing how OPEC themselves set the prices and out put levels. One dosent reflect the other. And if the market didnt need more Oil they might want to expalin why Germany, France and India have already sought out supplies from Brazils new found deposits and a slightly higher price.

[spanky part 2]

Originally Posted by theking

It is my understanding that the world is currently glutted with oil...so I really do not know why oil producing countries would agree to increase production when there may very well be no way to store anymore oil...at this point in time. My understanding is there is a shortage of refining capabilities not a shortage of oil.

You wouldn't understand 2+2 so I wouldn't expect you to understand the oil/gas crisis.

I could solve the whole issue in a day. Tell those fucking saudis they better rethink about pumping more oil. Give them the coordinates of a spot in the desert and tell them to look closely. Send in a cruise missile. Tell them the next one will have a nuke attached and is gonna hit their palace. Ask them again if they will pump more oil.

Rinse and repeat for every one of those fucking scumbag countries over there.

Then tell the US automakers that they have one year to come up with electric cars and ban all fossil fuel burning auto's from being built by 2010.

Give huge tax breaks to renewable fuel, and huge tax increases to big oil. Use that tax increase to build and improve all US infrastructure,especially our neglected power grid.

Prosecute all oil and military companies for war profiteering. Bring the troops home immediately.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by spanky part 2

You wouldn't understand 2+2 so I wouldn't expect you to understand the oil/gas crisis.

I could solve the whole issue in a day. Tell those fucking saudis they better rethink about pumping more oil. Give them the coordinates of a spot in the desert and tell them to look closely. Send in a cruise missile. Tell them the next one will have a nuke attached and is gonna hit their palace. Ask them again if they will pump more oil.

Rinse and repeat for every one of those fucking scumbag countries over there.

Then tell the US automakers that they have one year to come up with electric cars and ban all fossil fuel burning auto's from being built by 2010.

Give huge tax breaks to renewable fuel, and huge tax increases to big oil. Use that tax increase to build and improve all US infrastructure,especially our neglected power grid.

Prosecute all oil and military companies for war profiteering. Bring the troops home immediately.

You need a politician with really really big balls for that. They dont exist.

[spanky part 2]

Originally Posted by tony404

You need a politician with really really big balls for that. They dont exist.

That's what this country needs. Strong leadership. Enough of this pc bullshit and bending over to the will of the companies. Do what is right for the people of this country for once.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by spanky part 2

Then tell the US automakers that they have one year to come up with electric cars.

You need to watch the movie "Who killed the electric car".... they already have/had one that worked just fine...

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Tempest

Maybe they should spend some of those billions in profits to build more refinaries... and standardize on fuel accross all the states so they don't have to refine different shit for everyone... but then again.. they wouldn't be able to use refining etc. as an execuse to jack up prices anymore..

Oh yeah, cuz everyone wants a refinery in their backyard.

[L-Pink]

Have him stop by Exxon headquarters on the way, they need talked to also.

[campimp]

as if bush and cheney really want lower oil prices...

[Darth_Porn]

Ok ... I'll let you guys in on a little secret:

The reason why Crude Oil price reached 109 US Dollars per barrel is NOT because OPEC reduced production and it's not because of higher demand.

It's mainly because the price of Crude Oil is quoted in US fucking Dollars and the USD has been taking a massive beating lately.

It doesnt cost them more to produce oil today than what it did a few years ago and supplies are on the same levels as before.
However since the value of the USD dropped about 15-20% this year alone for the oil & gas companies to continue to make the same profit, as lets say last year, they need increase the price by 15-20% to cover the difference.

So .. in short, the US Dollar and US economy in general, is MAINLY to blame for high gas prices.

[Darth_Porn]

Originally Posted by spanky part 2

Tell those fucking saudis they better rethink about pumping more oil. Give them the coordinates of a spot in the desert and tell them to look closely. Send in a cruise missile. Tell them the next one will have a nuke attached and is gonna hit their palace. Ask them again if they will pump more oil.

You are a fucking DUMB ASS.

[spanky part 2]

Originally Posted by Darth_Porn

Ok ... I'll let you guys in on a little secret:

The reason why Crude Oil price reached 109 US Dollars per barrel is NOT because OPEC reduced production and it's not because of higher demand.

It's mainly because the price of Crude Oil is quoted in US fucking Dollars and the USD has been taking a massive beating lately.

It doesnt cost them more to produce oil today than what it did a few years ago and supplies are on the same levels as before.
However since the value of the USD dropped about 15-20% this year alone for the oil & gas companies to continue to make the same profit, as lets say last year, they need increase the price by 15-20% to cover the difference.

So .. in short, the US Dollar and US economy in general, is MAINLY to blame for high gas prices.

You listen to big oil talking points too much. Lemme guess you heard that on FOX. So if your theory holds true, then if they doubled the amount of oil in the marketplace by pumping more, nothing would happen.

You are a fucking tool. Not a wrench or a hammer, you are the screwdriver that the end is stripped and the handle is broken.

You listen to big oil talking points too much. Lemme guess you heard that on FOX. So if your theory holds true, then if they doubled the amount of oil in the marketplace by pumping more, nothing would happen.

You are a fucking tool. Not a wrench or a hammer, you are the screwdriver that the end is stripped and the handle is broken.

[Darth_Porn]

Originally Posted by spanky part 2

You listen to big oil talking points too much. Lemme guess you heard that on FOX. So if your theory holds true, then if they doubled the amount of oil in the marketplace by pumping more, nothing would happen.

You are a fucking tool. Not a wrench or a hammer, you are the screwdriver that the end is stripped and the handle is broken.

You dumb pathetic red neck looser ... I am not even in the US right now and unlike you I occasionally read up a little bit before posting something about who is to blame about anything.

If you think I am some kind of idiot (like you) who shapes his opinion based on something that was on FOX then you are even dumber than your dumb ass comments make you appear to be.

Why the fuck would OPEC pump out more oil? Just because the US doesn?t like paying more at the pump? Get real you fucking moron.
Prices went up even though production was unchanged. What does that tell you?
I am not saying that if the increased production it wouldn?t make an impact, but even that would be temporary because the USD will just keep getting weaker all the time. For this issue to be resolved Crude Oil prices need to start getting quoted on a stronger currency (EURO for example).


SEE SIG

[Jace]

[spanky part 2]

Originally Posted by Darth_Porn

You dumb pathetic red neck looser ... I am not even in the US right now and unlike you I occasionally read up a little bit before posting something about who is to blame about anything.

If you think I am some kind of idiot (like you) who shapes his opinion based on something that was on FOX then you are even dumber than your dumb ass comments make you appear to be.

Why the fuck would OPEC pump out more oil? Just because the US doesn?t like paying more at the pump? Get real you fucking moron.
Prices went up even though production was unchanged. What does that tell you?
I am not saying that if the increased production it wouldn?t make an impact, but even that would be temporary because the USD will just keep getting weaker all the time. For this issue to be resolved Crude Oil prices need to start getting quoted on a stronger currency (EURO for example).


SEE SIG

I love tirades calling me a dumb ass, from a person that can't even correctly spell LOSER. Google ironic

[campimp]

Originally Posted by Darth_Porn

Ok ... I'll let you guys in on a little secret:

The reason why Crude Oil price reached 109 US Dollars per barrel is NOT because OPEC reduced production and it's not because of higher demand.

It doesnt cost them more to produce oil today than what it did a few years ago and supplies are on the same levels as before.

you are right about the dollar and oil relationship obviously. and it is only going to get worse as a couple more interest rate cuts are on the way

but it actually is costing more to pump oil these days, and as the world does more advanced drilling to find more oil it will get even more expensive.

but overall, yes, its the dollar, not OPEC that is the problem, but its easy for american gov't to blame the brown man in the middle east, instead of looking to itself and admit that it is the reason why oil is so high

[spanky part 2]

Originally Posted by campimp

you are right about the dollar and oil relationship obviously. and it is only going to get worse as a couple more interest rate cuts are on the way

but it actually is costing more to pump oil these days, and as the world does more advanced drilling to find more oil it will get even more expensive.

but overall, yes, its the dollar, not OPEC that is the problem, but its easy for american gov't to blame the brown man in the middle east, instead of looking to itself and admit that it is the reason why oil is so high

I don't blame the brown man in the middle east, I blame the white man in the white house, the white men running the oil companies, and the white men running the us auto companies.

[Darth_Porn]

Originally Posted by spanky part 2

I don't blame the brown man in the middle east, I blame the white man in the white house, the white men running the oil companies, and the white men running the us auto companies.

Well unfortunately I need to agree with you on this one

[DaddyHalbucks]

Some good posts in this thread.

If we put a man on the moon 40 years ago, we can build another refinery or two. Let's get it done!