A class action suit has been filed against Too Much Media/NATS and its owners. - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

Jens Van Assterdam · 03-19-2008, 01:11 PM

i smell drama

TampaToker · 03-19-2008, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cykoe6

Why is it a class action?

"(?NRM?) seeks damages and equitable relief on behalf of itself
and on behalf all persons and entities that operate Affiliate Programs"

By that sentence sounds like there is more then one plaintiff . I think you need at least 5 parties for a class action but i could be wrong...

Evil E · 03-19-2008, 01:19 PM

Interesting.

Jace · 03-19-2008, 01:21 PM

anyone know if this is about the security leak or about TMM posting the license suspended thing?

if it is about the security leak, well, um, no rivals doesn't even use NATS, and hasn't for a long ass time

tucker · 03-19-2008, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace

don't forget jason tucker and gail harris

http://www.brandilove.info/amateur-s...tacts-main.htm

Hey Jace -
I
was
not
consulted
nor
do
I
think
this
makes
ANY
sense.

My 2 cents: Someone in this case appears to be continuing the process of avoiding life and well...certain responsibilities.

That is all...

Back to the rumor mill.

D · 03-19-2008, 01:28 PM

Jace · 03-19-2008, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tucker

Hey Jace -
I
was
not
consulted
nor
do
I
think
this
makes
ANY
sense.

My 2 cents: Someone in this case appears to be continuing the process of avoiding life and well...certain responsibilities.

That is all...

Back to the rumor mill.

wow, cool man, glad to hear it

tranza · 03-19-2008, 01:34 PM

They are sueing TMM AGAIN??????

Jace · 03-19-2008, 01:47 PM

found this funny

"NRM’s profitable and popular on-line Internet business and sabotaged NR LCC from its inception."

which is why people are askin.. who's NR?

hahahaha

GAMEFINEST · 03-19-2008, 01:49 PM

hmmmm , last action aye

pocketkangaroo · 03-19-2008, 01:49 PM

Holy shit, just read through it. Some explosive claims made in it. Would surely kill their business if true.

pocketkangaroo · 03-19-2008, 01:50 PM

Here is a line:

Quote:

"it was publicly disclosed that NATS contained a design defect that appears to have been intentionally incorporated in the program, and which enabled Schank, an apparent agent and/or representative and/or employee of TMM, to invade the servers of NATS users and convert and misappropriate the information stored thereon."

Doctor Dre · 03-19-2008, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karupted Charles

I was always told the ones who always made money during the gold rushes were the guys selling shovels. During the internet boom it was the designers and programers who saw steady cash. No doubt the winners here will be the lawyers. The thing about court is you never know how it will turn out.

The designers and the programmers were the winner ? I don't know many millionaire designers, look at AlienQ, he was there during the internet boom and he's still brok.e

DebsDeep · 03-19-2008, 01:53 PM

I better park here for a lil while

Jace · 03-19-2008, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Here is a line:

I would think they would need a kickass fucking lawyer with that type of accusation

Andy Servers4Less · 03-19-2008, 01:59 PM

late sig spot

ProjectNaked · 03-19-2008, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Here is a line:

It was quite obvious there was dirty shit going on....the problem is there appears to be an attempted cover up.

When you deal with companies that actually have money you had better have the time, funds, and effort to defend yourself when you screw up and then screw up trying to cover it....

mrkris · 03-19-2008, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin

Hey man, sorry I missed your email - I never check that these days; I never saw you on ICQ. You still need something?

Just hitting you up to say hi. Been a while ...

3xTom · 03-19-2008, 02:28 PM

Hummmmmm Did the Drama Lama Just Fart........

03-19-2008, 02:36 PM

very interesting !

MediumPimpin · 03-19-2008, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace

this is newer I think, i think this has to do with tmm posting all over the boards about NR having their license suspended

to me it seems like a way to extend the other proceedings, deflecting attention if you will, but I have been wrong in the past

I agree with ya, they need to just pay their damn webmasters, what happend to all that cash, the people burned and the site is still up, what a joke.

D · 03-19-2008, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tucker

Hey Jace -
I
was
not
consulted
nor
do
I
think
this
makes
ANY
sense.

My 2 cents: Someone in this case appears to be continuing the process of avoiding life and well...certain responsibilities.

That is all...

Back to the rumor mill.

Always a pleasure to see ya about, Jason. :-)

Due · 03-19-2008, 03:11 PM

Is NR = Naked Rhino? or something similar to that, I remember that name from somewhere but cant remember from what

Jace · 03-19-2008, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Due

Is NR = Naked Rhino? or something similar to that, I remember that name from somewhere but cant remember from what

as it has been said in the thread numorous times, NR is No Rivals, which used to be Naked Rhino

do a search on GFY for naked rhino or xclusivecash, it will jog your memory

Jet - BANNED FOR LIFE · 03-19-2008, 03:15 PM

Great!

Good luck suing these assholes, guys

ninavain · 03-19-2008, 03:18 PM

holy fuckerballs

Due · 03-19-2008, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace

as it has been said in the thread numorous times, NR is No Rivals, which used to be Naked Rhino

do a search on GFY for naked rhino or xclusivecash, it will jog your memory

Thanks now it is more clear, it seemed to me the discussion was if NR was no rivals or naked rhino, I remember the xclusivecash threads

Multimedia · 03-19-2008, 03:28 PM

This is the american way to make it rich!! Sue someone that creates something that is profitable. I do not get how people have so much time to sit in court and deal with all of this bs. Why is this on the boards in the first place? Well to get some drama going on the boards, but besides that it doesn't help the case.
TMM will now pursue this to clear their good name and also waste alot of $ on the lawyers to fight it. You got to love conducting business in the adult world.

Multimedia · 03-19-2008, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jet

Great!

Good luck suing these assholes, guys

Wow , I would of quoted this one with my response. I do not get why you are such a sheep and have to get involved in everything on the board and waste our time reading your posts that are comprised of nothing worth reading.

james_clickmemedia · 03-19-2008, 03:36 PM

yawn...yawn

SiMpLe · 03-19-2008, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pipecrew

i guess this is the drama gfy was looking for.

And right before the Phx show even!!

mrkris · 03-19-2008, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Multimedia

Wow , I would of quoted this one with my response. I do not get why you are such a sheep and have to get involved in everything on the board and waste our time reading your posts that are comprised of nothing worth reading.

Perhaps you don't know the facts. From what I have heard, there has been some beyond shady tactics with NATS.

Multimedia · 03-19-2008, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrkris

Perhaps you don't know the facts. From what I have heard, there has been some beyond shady tactics with NATS.

I know many clients that use nats and I have helped them set up Nats and other TMM products. It is funny how all of these " Shady Tactics" come out in the open. It is usually coming from people that have something to gain off making this news come out in the open. I am sure that TMM is not in business to hurts its clients. They try and help their clients get started in any way they can. They also let them into their home, office and also take good care of them at the events.

If you do not know about any of these alleged tactics in first person, then it usually is good thing not to talk about them. We are all here to do business ont he boards, well that is the way it used to be. This is nothing against you Mr.Kris, just in general. I realize you are just saying a rumor that you heard, that happens to be one that is not valid.

Drake · 03-19-2008, 03:48 PM

Lawyers' dream

TheDoc · 03-19-2008, 03:48 PM

This is the stupidest case I have ever seen. They clearly have no clue what happened then or in the past.

Just to point out the obvious, they think TMM has data that they clearly do not track or have access too, at all and no court could get them to get the data.

I would be interested in seeing what other 'honest' companies have joined this witch hunt.

esellc · 03-19-2008, 04:01 PM

The Commission Junction and the 2Much Media/NATS Complaints seem to be on track to collapsing the Affiliate Marketing Model which has become like a giant pyramid scheme. With several of the largest Affiliate Programs claiming double digit losses in revenue and/or market share the reasons are multifaceted and so many areas need to be addressed.

The re-filing of the 2Much Media (NATS) case last night may broaden the scope of the hit on the adult industry and the complaint asks the court to be recognized as a class action law suit. With the Commission Junction Class Action it was slow to get companies to jump in which may also be the case with the TMM Motion to be heard in late April. I look forward to the TMM response and I am sure it won't end there.

Although both cases are different on merits having two of the largest affiliate program managers under fire and in litigation is not good.

You can find a copy of the Commision Junction complaint on line - I haven't posted 30 times so I can't include the url.

GrouchyAdmin · 03-19-2008, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrkris

Just hitting you up to say hi. Been a while ...

Yeah, it's been forever, man. So, how's mostly mainstream? I just sent you a guy looking for a coder.

mrkris · 03-19-2008, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Multimedia

I know many clients that use nats and I have helped them set up Nats and other TMM products. It is funny how all of these " Shady Tactics" come out in the open. It is usually coming from people that have something to gain off making this news come out in the open. I am sure that TMM is not in business to hurts its clients. They try and help their clients get started in any way they can. They also let them into their home, office and also take good care of them at the events.

If you do not know about any of these alleged tactics in first person, then it usually is good thing not to talk about them. We are all here to do business ont he boards, well that is the way it used to be. This is nothing against you Mr.Kris, just in general. I realize you are just saying a rumor that you heard, that happens to be one that is not valid.

I guess we will just see what happens, huh.

swedguy · 03-19-2008, 04:25 PM

WTF??

Two years ago everybody thought NATS was da shit.

I suck at Legalese. What happened? NATS is not around anymore?

2012 · 03-19-2008, 04:25 PM

minusoneclit strikes again

Tat2Jr · 03-19-2008, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog

In Class Action suits, lawyers are the only winners. The Plaintiffs collect, on average, $1.65/ea.

I hope my $1.65 is still worth a Euro by the time I get mine.

baddog · 03-19-2008, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by esellc

You can find a copy of the Commision Junction complaint on line - I haven't posted 30 times so I can't include the url.

Hi Shellee.

Tat2Jr · 03-19-2008, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tat2Jr

I hope my $1.65 is still worth a Euro by the time I get mine.

and btw - you can keep my fucking euro - I don't want no part of this stupid bs

esellc · 03-19-2008, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog

Hi Shellee.

Hey Bad Dog... What are you wearing?

Quentin · 03-19-2008, 05:06 PM

For those that have not seen a copy of the "second amended and supplemental complaint" filed by NRM, there's a link to the complaint at the bottom this article on XBIZ -- look for the little pdf icon below the article and text that says "Read the complaint."

- Q.

swedguy · 03-19-2008, 05:33 PM

Finally caught up with the whole NATS mess.

http://www.icwt.us/index.php/2007/12...s-compromised/

DAMN!! We are talking serious fuck up!

baddog · 03-19-2008, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by esellc

Hey Bad Dog... What are you wearing?

Well, just got back from a bike ride, so Levi's and boots at the moment.

You?

TheDoc · 03-19-2008, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swedguy

Finally caught up with the whole NATS mess.

http://www.icwt.us/index.php/2007/12...s-compromised/

DAMN!! We are talking serious fuck up!

This guys info is all around wrong. Yeah he hits some points but that article is pretty much pure lies and slander.

baddog · 03-19-2008, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swedguy

Finally caught up with the whole NATS mess.

http://www.icwt.us/index.php/2007/12...s-compromised/

DAMN!! We are talking serious fuck up!

Like minusabrain is going to give an unbiased report.

Jace · 03-19-2008, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swedguy

Finally caught up with the whole NATS mess.

http://www.icwt.us/index.php/2007/12...s-compromised/

DAMN!! We are talking serious fuck up!

take that with a grain of salt

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esellc Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4	The Collapse of the Affiliate Marketing Model The Commission Junction and the 2Much Media/NATS Complaints seem to be on track to collapsing the Affiliate Marketing Model which has become like a giant pyramid scheme. With several of the largest Affiliate Programs claiming double digit losses in revenue and/or market share the reasons are multifaceted and so many areas need to be addressed. The re-filing of the 2Much Media (NATS) case last night may broaden the scope of the hit on the adult industry and the complaint asks the court to be recognized as a class action law suit. With the Commission Junction Class Action it was slow to get companies to jump in which may also be the case with the TMM Motion to be heard in late April. I look forward to the TMM response and I am sure it won't end there. Although both cases are different on merits having two of the largest affiliate program managers under fire and in litigation is not good. You can find a copy of the Commision Junction complaint on line - I haven't posted 30 times so I can't include the url.

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swedguy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,981	Finally caught up with the whole NATS mess. http://www.icwt.us/index.php/2007/12...s-compromised/ DAMN!! We are talking serious fuck up!