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Old 05-08-2008, 10:13 PM   #1
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:2cents Hillary Doesn't Want You To See This Video

I saw this on Youtube.

I'm sure the Republicans will beat her over the head with it if she wins the nomination.

I think the program may be a bit harsh; but, it raises some legitimate questions.

What do you think?


Part 1 https://youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw&feature=related

Part 2 https://youtube.com/watch?v=AMfUajhL24I&feature=related
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Old 05-08-2008, 10:20 PM   #2
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I think people have to get used to the fact.you cant be in politics and be clean none of them are. They were talking about on tv how in reality the press has been pretty easy on Hilary and who she has associated herself with.
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Old 05-08-2008, 10:29 PM   #3
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Is that the Stan Lee thing?
It wont get play, its not sexy enough.
If she can survive lying about being under fire flying through Bosnia, then she'll sleep through that piece.
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Old 05-08-2008, 10:44 PM   #4
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I watched that a few months ago. I am sure it will come out if she does make it. That is one reason I am for Obama now. He is to new to have much in his closet.
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Old 05-09-2008, 12:14 AM   #5
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Dude, I hate to break it to you but Hillary is not going to be the nominee so why even waste you time on this
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Old 05-09-2008, 12:24 AM   #6
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Old 05-09-2008, 12:38 AM   #7
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Interesting videos...
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Consider the source - Peter Paul appears to be a shyster and a con man...

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Peter F. Paul

Peter F. Paul (born September 2, 1948[1]) has been a lawyer, entrepreneur, former partner of Spider-Man creator Stan Lee in Stan Lee Media, and convicted felon. In 2000, he became central to a campaign fund-raising scandal involving Senator Hillary Clinton.

Peter Paul was a lawyer in Miami, Florida, representing foreign governments and political leaders in South America and the Caribbean.[citation needed] He also served as President of the Miami World Trade Center[3] and was the original owner and operator of the largest[citation needed] Foreign Trade Zone in the U.S., Miami Free Zone Inc.[2]

As a result of what Paul described as anti-Communist and anti-Castro political activities,[4] he directed a fraud on the Cuban government of $8.75 million dollars by selling agents of Cuban dictator Fidel Castro nonexistent coffee. The plan apparently also involved sinking the ship that was to deliver the nonexistent coffee to hide the fraud from Castro and, according to TIME Magazine, to defraud its insurer, but the ship was abandoned in Costa Rica and never sunk.[2][5]

Paul pled guilty to federal conspiracy charges. When his home was raided by the police in connection with this crime, they found cocaine in his garage, and Paul also pled guilty to possessing cocaine with intent to distribute.[2] He was sentenced to eight years in prison for the cocaine charge, and a concurrent three years for fraud; he was paroled after three years. His license to practice law was suspended as a result of the convictions,[6][7] and he claims to have been sued by the Cuban government as well.[4]

In 1983, Paul was caught traveling to Canada using the identity of a dead man;[8] he pled guilty to federal charges of making false statements to customs inspectors. This was a violation of his parole terms from the 1979 felonies, and he went back to jail.[2]
[edit]Involvement in politics and the entertainment industry

After being released from federal prison in California, Paul moved to Los Angeles. In 1985, he was appointed President of the California Bicentennial Foundation for the Constitution and Bill of Rights, a foundation designated by the California state legislature and governor to direct California's role in the Bicentennial celebration of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.[9] Paul's efforts on behalf of the Foundation were derided in the Los Angeles Times, in part because the commission was selling a book that described blacks as "pickaninnies," and slaveowners as "the worst victims of slavery,"[10] and in part because Paul referred to the founding fathers of the United States as "39 sweaty old men arguing in Philadelphia",[9] and remarked that most Californians weren't able to understand the 18th century language in the constitution anyway.[11] Prior to the Los Angeles Times article, Chief Justice Warren Burger had commended Paul for his efforts in a letter that read in part "We commend you for the many contributions you have made during the national commemoration of the Constitution's 200th anniversary".[12][13]

Paul became a business manager for, or otherwise involved with several celebrities, including becoming manager for a time of romance-novel icon Fabio.[14][15]
[edit]Involvement in Stan Lee Media

In 1998, Paul co-founded Stan Lee Media with comic book legend Stan Lee[1] and took the company public via a reverse-merger into a trading shell in August 1999.[16]
In February, 2000, in the midst of the Internet stock market boom, Stan Lee Media built a 165 person studio, and the company's market capitalization grew to over $370 million.[citation needed] However, at the end of the year, Stan Lee Media ran out of money. Paul alleged in a later civil fraud and coercion suit against Bill and Hillary Clinton that the company failed because of the intervention of Bill Clinton, who he claims persuaded a large investor not to further support the company.[17]

In the aftermath of the company's collapse, it was alleged that Paul and a corporate officer named Stephan Gordon had illegally tried to support the stock's price by using nominee accounts to buy 1.6 million shares of the company's stock, attempting to pay for the stock with bad checks.[18]

In February 2001, Stan Lee Media filed for bankruptcy, and Peter Paul fled to São Paulo, Brazil.[19][20][21] There he managed 112 Interactive do Brazil, a seller of English language acquisition software,[19] and fought extradition.[20]

On June 12, 2001, Paul was indicted on one count of violating SEC Reg. 10(b)5, for manipulating the price of the stock in Stan Lee Media. On August 3, 2001 Paul was arrested in Brazil and jailed, pending the outcome of extradition proceedings.[1] Paul failed in his efforts to avoid extradition and, in September 2003, he was delivered to the Metropolitan Detention Facility in Brooklyn, New York for arraignment and trial.[22][23]
In August 2004, the SEC formally filed its complaint against Paul for the manipulation of Stan Lee Media's stock in violation of the antifraud provisions of Section 17(a) of the Securities Act of 1933, Section 10(b) of the Securities Exchange Act, and SEC Rule 10b-5.[24]

In March of 2005, Paul was embroiled in his suits against the Clinton family (discussed below), and had a falling out with his advocates at Judicial Watch. He accused them of using his name to raise more than $15 million from people who disliked the Clintons, while doing little to advance his case. He announced his plan to replace them with a "dream team" of Republican lawyers,[25] and in February 2007, he filed suit against them, saying that they had taken advantage of him and that he was "not a big fan of their behavior."[26]

Paul pled guilty to the securities fraud charge for he had been indicted in 2001. The government characterized his conduct as causing "losses to the investing public and financial institutions of approximately $25 million".[1] As of February 2007, he had not been sentenced.[26]

In July 2005, he settled related civil charges, consenting to a permanent injunction against ever serving as an officer or director of any reporting company. He pled poverty and, as a result, was not asked to pay any fine.[27][28]

Paul emerged in 2000 as the largest contributor to Senatorial candidate Hillary Clinton. Paul and his attorneys have at various times offered two explanations for this. First, that he was trying to attract her husband, then-President Bill Clinton, to serve on the board of Stan Lee Media after leaving office.

Second, that he hoped to negotiate a pardon for his previous criminal convictions.[29][30] Paul produced and underwrote what he described as the largest fund raising event ever held for a federal candidate [31], in Los Angeles, days before the 2000 Democratic Convention began.

The Hollywood Farewell Gala Salute to President William Jefferson Clinton featured prominent entertainers singing for the President, while raising over $1 million for Hillary Clinton's Senate campaign.[32] The event cost $1.9 million to organize according to Paul and $500,000 according to the Federal Election Commission filing, much of it borrowed fraudulently by Paul from Merrill Lynch. Later indictments would state that Merrill Lynch lost about $5 million it had lent to Paul.[30]

Two days after the gala, the Washington Post publicized Paul's criminal record, and Hillary Clinton denied knowing Paul and "vowed not to take any contributions from him". Through her official spokesman, Howard Wolfson, Hillary stated on August 16, 2000 that she would return $2,000 she reported receiving from Paul in June 2000,[30] and would not have anything further to do with him.

Paul alleged that Clinton was deceitful in this,[33] and retained public interest law firm, and frequent Clinton opponent, Judicial Watch to represent him in a series of civil and criminal lawsuits against the Clintons, the Clinton campaign, and ultimately the Federal Election Commission (which he charged was negligent in failing to convict Mrs. Clinton).[34][35][36][37] These charges were delayed, as courts held that Paul could not bring charges against the Clintons as he fought extradition from Brazil,[38] but proceeded once he was returned to the States.[39]

Paul's claims have not found traction. An audit by the Federal Elections Commission found that neither Senator Clinton nor her Senate campaign had accepted any illegal funds in connection with the Hollywood fundraiser[40], though the campaign was asked to pay $35,000 in fines for having underreported the cost of the party.[41]

Paul's suit against the FEC was thrown out; his attempt to bring ethics charges against Clinton were rejected,[42] and his fraud charges against Senator Clinton were tossed out in April 2006.[43] Paul continued to press civil charges against Senator Clinton and former President Clinton for "looting"[44] his business, but the courts refused to allow him to sue Senator Clinton, with the appellate court specifying that her behavior had been "perfectly legal," and allowing her to recoup her legal fees from Paul.[40]

Finding no luck in the courts, in 2007 Paul sponsored and promoted a thirteen and a half minute video titled "Hillary Exposed: The Case of Paul v. Clinton," attacking Senator Clinton. Her office responded "Peter Paul is a professional liar who has four separate criminal convictions, two for fraud.

His video repackages a series of seven-year-old false claims about Senator Clinton that have already been rejected by the California state courts, the Justice Department, the Federal Election Commission, and the Senate Ethics Committee."[45] In January 2008, he also re-filed his complaint with the FEC.[46]
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What is the source of your article?
Since the case has not been before a jury, how do you know he is wrong?
Even liars have been known to tell the truth.
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Old 05-09-2008, 01:11 AM   #10
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Ah, yes, that bastion of truth....wikipedia....that can be edited by anybody.
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Old 05-09-2008, 01:42 AM   #11
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What's the odds people are thinking what she will do if she gets elected?

Bill only got caught with his pants down, she could go to prison if she slips up.
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Old 05-09-2008, 02:32 AM   #13
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Old 05-09-2008, 02:33 AM   #14
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Consider the source - Peter Paul appears to be a shyster and a con man...

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So why is Hillary taking his money and associating with him?

Don't tell me she did not know who she was dealing with. I would rather have a corrupt President in the White House rather than an incompetent one.
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So why is Hillary taking his money and associating with him?

Don't tell me she did not know who she was dealing with. I would rather have a corrupt President in the White House rather than an incompetent one.
Anyone will be better than the corrupt and incompetent President currently in the White House.

Anyway, I guess you didn't read that Peter Paul has been conning lots of people for a very long time. Once Hillary became aware of his past, she immediately distanced herself.

In any case, Google "campaign contribution scandal" plus Obama or McCain, and you will see that they are not exactly clean by any means either.

In the end, it really comes down to a choice between the lesser of two evil Republicrats - Repubs that don't raise taxes, but have even bigger budgets than the Dems, courtesy of spiraling deficits, or Dems that take care of their special interest benefactors.

I would still have more faith in a Clinton presidency than either McCain or Obama.

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Dude, I hate to break it to you but Hillary is not going to be the nominee so why even waste you time on this
finally someone is wise in this thread
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So fucking what. He is a convicted felon???

Who the fuck cares.

Politics is sooo fucking out of hand now days.
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one would think her not even being able to answer a question decisively would be enough...
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I think people have to get used to the fact.you cant be in politics and be clean none of them are. They were talking about on tv how in reality the press has been pretty easy on Hilary and who she has associated herself with.
So we are supposed to accept that politics are corrupt?
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Anyone will be better than the corrupt and incompetent President currently in the White House.

Anyway, I guess you didn't read that Peter Paul has been conning lots of people for a very long time. Once Hillary became aware of his past, she immediately distanced herself.

In any case, Google "campaign contribution scandal" plus Obama or McCain, and you will see that they are not exactly clean by any means either.

In the end, it really comes down to a choice between the lesser of two evil Republicrats - Repubs that don't raise taxes, but have even bigger budgets than the Dems, courtesy of spiraling deficits, or Dems that take care of their special interest benefactors.

I would still have more faith in a Clinton presidency than either McCain or Obama.

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Agreed about the present occupant of the White House. But got a little problem about the statement I hi lited. Is it once she became aware or once others became aware or she should of been aware from the beginning.

Everyone is fallible, but I suspect she was too busy cashing the checks rather than looking closely at who the checks were coming from.

The fact that so much money is allowed to flow into the US political system makes it vulnerable to corruption.
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