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Nickless · 05-31-2008, 10:13 PM

Hey Everyone,

Please, for a minute, stop pretending you have something going on even remotely similar to what it was just about two years ago, and for a second assume the online adult business is not the same anymore; it took a very serious, very real, very scary dive.

Program owners, affiliates, and everyone in between, everyone here pretends that nothing happened, but know and pretend noone noticed.

It's just not the same, some people complained about tube sites for a while, others say it's 'the next tgp', but noone admit their bottom line has been seriously affected in the last 2 years or so, it's surreal, people still say they're doing ok just to -save face-

Tgps sell spots at 4-years-ago prices, traffic brokers keep the same rates, and paysites go for the same membership prices. (content providers seem to be the only ones getting the shaft)

Everyone pretends to be in an utopian paralell reality, while we really should be scared shitless, and discussing about how to get online porn back on its track.

Am i too far off? oh is your business rocking? your program converts 1:50? Discuss.

bringer · 05-31-2008, 10:18 PM

capitalism at its worst. there is no fix btw, just more bad days ahead

WarChild · 05-31-2008, 10:23 PM

Please just give me a break.

mynameisjim · 05-31-2008, 11:08 PM

Whenever a decent new site launches and I push it, it converts great. Maybe the consumers still want to buy, but nobody is giving them what they want. Who knows?

crockett · 05-31-2008, 11:20 PM

Oh but wait,.. there are now sponsors giving out 10 mins promo videos. I guess it must pay off with those 1:20k ratios..

WarChild · 05-31-2008, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett

Oh but wait,.. there are now sponsors giving out 10 mins promo videos. I guess it must pay off with those 1:20k ratios..

I promote with up to 5 minute clips.

My ratios are better, all across the board, than the same sites on my gallery traffic.

These are just some facts.

Major (Tom) · 05-31-2008, 11:44 PM

people will always buy. I still buy my music, buy my porn etc. everyone I know that is a whore for the free stuff is usually waiting online at bestbuy having some twit redo their machines. Thats why i buy... still..

as far as buying traffic, trust me, dont pay for it, build your own.
you will thank me.
Duke

NaughtyRob · 06-01-2008, 12:30 AM

We just need to work harder now. Its business.

potter · 06-01-2008, 05:15 AM

i think there just needs to be more innovations. on the right side. all the innovators seem to be on the illegal side of things and only hurt the industry.

marketsmart · 06-01-2008, 05:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

people will always buy. I still buy my music, buy my porn etc. everyone I know that is a whore for the free stuff is usually waiting online at bestbuy having some twit redo their machines. Thats why i buy... still..

as far as buying traffic, trust me, dont pay for it, build your own.
you will thank me.
Duke

honestly, i dont buy as much music as i used to. i dont mind waiting a few extra months for movies to come out on directv. i find myself looking for bargains at the grocery store and when i buy all types of goods for that matter... not that i cant afford my normal spending, but i seem to find it more important to have money in the bank than be compulsive and spend money without thought...

gideongallery · 06-01-2008, 05:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nickless

Hey Everyone,

Please, for a minute, stop pretending you have something going on even remotely similar to what it was just about two years ago, and for a second assume the online adult business is not the same anymore; it took a very serious, very real, very scary dive.

Program owners, affiliates, and everyone in between, everyone here pretends that nothing happened, but know and pretend noone noticed.

It's just not the same, some people complained about tube sites for a while, others say it's 'the next tgp', but noone admit their bottom line has been seriously affected in the last 2 years or so, it's surreal, people still say they're doing ok just to -save face-

Tgps sell spots at 4-years-ago prices, traffic brokers keep the same rates, and paysites go for the same membership prices. (content providers seem to be the only ones getting the shaft)

Everyone pretends to be in an utopian paralell reality, while we really should be scared shitless, and discussing about how to get online porn back on its track.

Am i too far off? oh is your business rocking? your program converts 1:50? Discuss.

the economy has changed, but it is far from dead

tv went thru the same adaption and is now more successful then before, if anything primary producers of content are making more money.

American idol gets 3 times their liciencing fees from product placement specifically becuase they know it is going to be widely distributed on the torrent sites commercial free.

live shows like american idol still have massive market share.

the shift is to pre production revenue streams, or live interaction.

Sites that let their members interact live with their models will thrive while those that don't or simply fake it will find their business model starting to shrink, suffer or completely dry up.

OldSchoolJim · 06-01-2008, 06:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gideongallery

the economy has changed, but it is far from dead

tv went thru the same adaption and is now more successful then before, if anything primary producers of content are making more money.

American idol gets 3 times their liciencing fees from product placement specifically becuase they know it is going to be widely distributed on the torrent sites commercial free.

live shows like american idol still have massive market share.

the shift is to pre production revenue streams, or live interaction.

Sites that let their members interact live with their models will thrive while those that don't or simply fake it will find their business model starting to shrink, suffer or completely dry up.

Someone who gets it....the whole model is changing...in the internet age you cant really expect everything to stay the same forever...it just wont happen...how long do you even think the current model will still be viable? how long before the shift begins to eliminate the affiliate model altogether?

the people sitting around crying about "regular" montlhy sales will get left in the dust....the people who are changing the industry and working in ways that continue to be profitable will succeed...this is no secret...i noticed a thread yesterday about why old timers dont post anymore.....many of them are adapting....all the while the complainers sit at GFY looking for someone to blame for why they cant make a buck anymore.....the $$ is still here...most of you just cant see it.

Pleasurepays · 06-01-2008, 06:30 AM

this business has been coming to an end since the day it started. every step of the way people are babbbling about how its all going to be over soon... because of this. because of that and so on... yet here we are.

Sexy Rex · 06-01-2008, 06:50 AM

I don't buy any music in stores anymore, but I find myself buying it online on russian websites for a few cents a song. There is a parallell to be done with our industry I believe. Selling recuring memberships at $29.95 a month to consumers who can get most of it for free is probably a business model going down, but delivering quality porn efficiently to end user for a very fair price could have a bright future. We changed the business model of our desktop strippers in January allowing users to buy girls individually rather than selling only recuring memberships and we're doing much more money this way. People come back to buy more, they collect girls and they end up spending more. So who is going to start selling full HD videos for a few cents first?

Just my 2cc on where we're going ;)

wjxxx · 06-01-2008, 07:05 AM

Two years ago, it was almost impossible for average surfer to find free full length porn videos. Average surfer doesn`t use p2p ...

One year ago, it was very hard for average surfer to find free full length porn videos. Average surfer doesn`t know forums with rapidshare links ...

Today it`s very easy for average surfer to find free full length porn videos. Google => search for "porn" => in TOP20 there is 4 TGPs, 1 link list, 1 blog, 1 review site, 1 youtube video and 12 tube sites. Each of those tube sites contains thousands of full length porn videos.

Why buy a product when you can get the same product for free ?

eightmotives · 06-01-2008, 12:43 PM

Interesting topic here. Innovation is the key, more innovative ideas will lead to more of a demand for your product. Simply offering a movie to download just doesn't do it anymore.

clickhappy · 06-01-2008, 01:39 PM

People still buy, I know I do, you just have to niche.

The web is flooded with free movies of a "hot-slutty-white-girl-getting-fucked" ZZzzzzz.

Sell something different and charge for it and you should have no problem making money. People who crave for a niche will pay anything to get the newest and latest of it.

MrDeiz · 06-01-2008, 02:11 PM

maybe it's a time to start battle against tube sites, p2p and rapidshare/depositfiles/etc?

Electric Lights · 06-01-2008, 02:15 PM

May was my best month ever.

Captain Kawaii · 06-01-2008, 07:31 PM

I think those are the 3 key factors to a sites success. But then, what the hell do I know? I have been in biz for 7 years and just about to open first pay site... However, I am seriously thinking about not making it a membership site but let people pay as they go. Pick the content they want and let them pay for it... I also plan a number of other innovations... but will keep those in R&D for now...

What do you guys think about PPV only sites?

Whats your

StickyGreen · 06-01-2008, 07:38 PM

Online porn is basically free to most people these days, I don't see why people here don't understand that. Sure, some people still buy, but the industry is obviously hurting from all the free shit. Just look at the CD and DVD markets... same thing...

Someone once posted a picture of bottled water as an argument that people buy something that is free. Well that argument doesn't work because Bottled Water is much better than free tap water, mainly because it doesn't have any of the flouride and bullshit in it. But free porn videos are no different from bought porn videos. You can get free HD videos all fucking day long online now... so why pay?

tony286 · 06-01-2008, 07:38 PM

If what you do is unique you have a much better chance of doing well. Also if your operating costs aren't insane you can weather the lean times. I think there are consumers who like the monthly model and those who dont. Cant lump all of them in one group.

TheSenator · 06-01-2008, 07:55 PM

My site has grown and so has my traffic. I have evolved and use a blog/tube hybrid.

Barefootsies · 06-01-2008, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nickless

Hey Everyone,

Please, for a minute, stop pretending you have something going on even remotely similar to what it was just about two years ago, and for a second assume the online adult business is not the same anymore; it took a very serious, very real, very scary dive.

Really toots?

Funny. My sales have grown every year. My ratios have not dropped off from 1:6.

Guess someone forget to tell my members, and customers about adult being in the toilet eh chief?

Hunter_ST · 06-01-2008, 08:16 PM

Delivering quality product in a specific niche is a good way to do business.

fuzebox · 06-01-2008, 08:18 PM

My earnings have grown steadily month to month over the last 2 years.

Not really a reflection of the industry at all, but even 4 years ago I didn't see 1:50 or 1:100 ratios on any program... Yes porn is a tough sell these days, so sharpen your sales skills.

d-null · 06-01-2008, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuzebox

My earnings have grown steadily month to month over the last 2 years.

Not really a reflection of the industry at all, but even 4 years ago I didn't see 1:50 or 1:100 ratios on any program... Yes porn is a tough sell these days, so sharpen your sales skills.

isn't the job of the affiliate to get the surfer to the sponsor tour?

Penny24Seven · 06-01-2008, 08:25 PM

I make way more then I did two years ago. I guess I am lieing. Why is it hard to believe that? Just because you have problems. Sure I know a lot more now. Work with better people. I work more hours..... That is why I make more.
I remember when I got 10 sales on thehun last year and someone called me a lier LOL. I am sure if you do the same exact thing as you did two years ago then you would probably be doing less. If that is what you mean then I would agree

clickhappy · 06-01-2008, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuzebox

My earnings have grown steadily month to month over the last 2 years.

Not really a reflection of the industry at all, but even 4 years ago I didn't see 1:50 or 1:100 ratios on any program... Yes porn is a tough sell these days, so sharpen your sales skills.

Im just curious if youre in a general teen/hardcore niche, or a smaller niche

Barefootsies · 06-02-2008, 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian837

I remember when I got 10 sales on thehun last year and someone called me a lier LOL.

They've said the same to me. So do not feel bad. But I love a good Hun listing.

05-31-2008, 10:13 PM	#1
Nickless Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: homeless Posts: 1,955	Adult is not dead yet, but it's clearly agonizing, stop pretending and do something. Hey Everyone, Please, for a minute, stop pretending you have something going on even remotely similar to what it was just about two years ago, and for a second assume the online adult business is not the same anymore; it took a very serious, very real, very scary dive. Program owners, affiliates, and everyone in between, everyone here pretends that nothing happened, but know and pretend noone noticed. It's just not the same, some people complained about tube sites for a while, others say it's 'the next tgp', but noone admit their bottom line has been seriously affected in the last 2 years or so, it's surreal, people still say they're doing ok just to -save face- Tgps sell spots at 4-years-ago prices, traffic brokers keep the same rates, and paysites go for the same membership prices. (content providers seem to be the only ones getting the shaft) Everyone pretends to be in an utopian paralell reality, while we really should be scared shitless, and discussing about how to get online porn back on its track. Am i too far off? oh is your business rocking? your program converts 1:50? Discuss. Last edited by Nickless; 05-31-2008 at 10:15 PM..

05-31-2008, 10:18 PM	#2
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05-31-2008, 11:20 PM	#5
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05-31-2008, 11:44 PM	#7
Major (Tom) Boomer Woffen Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Null Posts: 30,508	people will always buy. I still buy my music, buy my porn etc. everyone I know that is a whore for the free stuff is usually waiting online at bestbuy having some twit redo their machines. Thats why i buy... still.. as far as buying traffic, trust me, dont pay for it, build your own. you will thank me. Duke __________________ My mother said, to get things done You'd better not mess with Major Tom

05-31-2008, 11:08 PM	#4
mynameisjim Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,985	Whenever a decent new site launches and I push it, it converts great. Maybe the consumers still want to buy, but nobody is giving them what they want. Who knows?

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Pleasurepays BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I live in a pile of boogers Posts: 11,913	this business has been coming to an end since the day it started. every step of the way people are babbbling about how its all going to be over soon... because of this. because of that and so on... yet here we are.

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Sexy Rex Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: President/CEO - iStripper.com Posts: 1,164	I don't buy any music in stores anymore, but I find myself buying it online on russian websites for a few cents a song. There is a parallell to be done with our industry I believe. Selling recuring memberships at $29.95 a month to consumers who can get most of it for free is probably a business model going down, but delivering quality porn efficiently to end user for a very fair price could have a bright future. We changed the business model of our desktop strippers in January allowing users to buy girls individually rather than selling only recuring memberships and we're doing much more money this way. People come back to buy more, they collect girls and they end up spending more. So who is going to start selling full HD videos for a few cents first? Just my 2cc on where we're going ;) __________________ WWW.ISTRIPPER.COM Unique Desktop Strippers since 1998, 20+ Millions users, 3000+ Girls to choose from, All UHD Exclusive Content.

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wjxxx So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,448	Two years ago, it was almost impossible for average surfer to find free full length porn videos. Average surfer doesn`t use p2p ... One year ago, it was very hard for average surfer to find free full length porn videos. Average surfer doesn`t know forums with rapidshare links ... Today it`s very easy for average surfer to find free full length porn videos. Google => search for "porn" => in TOP20 there is 4 TGPs, 1 link list, 1 blog, 1 review site, 1 youtube video and 12 tube sites. Each of those tube sites contains thousands of full length porn videos. Why buy a product when you can get the same product for free ?

06-01-2008, 12:43 PM	#16
eightmotives Confirmed User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 811	Interesting topic here. Innovation is the key, more innovative ideas will lead to more of a demand for your product. Simply offering a movie to download just doesn't do it anymore. __________________ DNPimping.com - "Pimping Domains Ain't Easy" 23868443

06-01-2008, 01:39 PM	#17
clickhappy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 4,027	People still buy, I know I do, you just have to niche. The web is flooded with free movies of a "hot-slutty-white-girl-getting-fucked" ZZzzzzz. Sell something different and charge for it and you should have no problem making money. People who crave for a niche will pay anything to get the newest and latest of it.

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Captain Kawaii So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 6,748	Innovation, No BS, Exclusive Content I think those are the 3 key factors to a sites success. But then, what the hell do I know? I have been in biz for 7 years and just about to open first pay site... However, I am seriously thinking about not making it a membership site but let people pay as they go. Pick the content they want and let them pay for it... I also plan a number of other innovations... but will keep those in R&D for now... What do you guys think about PPV only sites? Whats your

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StickyGreen . Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 13,076	Online porn is basically free to most people these days, I don't see why people here don't understand that. Sure, some people still buy, but the industry is obviously hurting from all the free shit. Just look at the CD and DVD markets... same thing... Someone once posted a picture of bottled water as an argument that people buy something that is free. Well that argument doesn't work because Bottled Water is much better than free tap water, mainly because it doesn't have any of the flouride and bullshit in it. But free porn videos are no different from bought porn videos. You can get free HD videos all fucking day long online now... so why pay? __________________ Refer Cam Girls and Take Home 10% of Everything They Make For Life

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tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	If what you do is unique you have a much better chance of doing well. Also if your operating costs aren't insane you can weather the lean times. I think there are consumers who like the monthly model and those who dont. Cant lump all of them in one group.

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fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,112	My earnings have grown steadily month to month over the last 2 years. Not really a reflection of the industry at all, but even 4 years ago I didn't see 1:50 or 1:100 ratios on any program... Yes porn is a tough sell these days, so sharpen your sales skills. Last edited by fuzebox; 06-01-2008 at 08:19 PM..

06-01-2008, 08:25 PM	#28
Penny24Seven So Fucking What Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: USA Posts: 6,287	I make way more then I did two years ago. I guess I am lieing. Why is it hard to believe that? Just because you have problems. Sure I know a lot more now. Work with better people. I work more hours..... That is why I make more. I remember when I got 10 sales on thehun last year and someone called me a lier LOL. I am sure if you do the same exact thing as you did two years ago then you would probably be doing less. If that is what you mean then I would agree __________________ Our site is coming soon. It will be one of the best ever! I know so. Brian and Penny