A public apology to DrinkingHard and GTS

[Snake Doctor]

Awhile back, I threw DH and GTS under the bus so to speak. I started a thread saying I was boycotting them and that everyone else should too, because of his decision to broker ads for tube sites.

I jumped the gun, and I should have given DH time to do what he said he was going to do, which was to work with those sites to use only sponsor provided (and personal user uploaded amateur) content.

It looks like the sites he represents are headed down that path, and I should have given him the benefit of the doubt.

I've been really frustrated lately by the loss of income that I can only assume is due to the massive proliferation of free content available, mostly on tube sites, and I guess I took my frustration out on DH and GTS.
I shouldn't have done that and I apologize.

Boycotting GTS over tube sites is like boycotting your local grocer for selling Clorox because clorox's parent company was found dumping toxic waste somewhere. At some point you'll end up boycotting every company in the world over something you don't like because they're all interconnected in some way.

A friend pointed out to me recently that it would be hypocritical of me to move my hosting to Ch00pa after what I said about DH, because apparently Ch00pa hosts some of the biggest tube sites. (I didn't know this at the time)
After some reflection, I decided he was right but that it would be silly for me to boycott Ch00pa, and therefore it was silly of me to lump GTS into a group of people I won't do business with.

They still may not want to do business with me after what I said about them, and I can understand that, but they deserved the apology anyways.

I'm Lenny2 (aka Snake Doctor) and I approved this message.

[Klen]

So is this mean you support ilegall tube sites ?

[Evil Chris]

these public apology threads are always funny.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

So is this mean you support ilegall tube sites ?

not to put words in his mouth , but perhaps legal ones ?

[Jens Van Assterdam]

Tubes are were the monies are!

[BradM]

Supporting those who support content theft = Priceless.

[Martin]

I saw this thread coming Lenny.. When you made that thread I thought to myself that you were cutting off your nose to spite your face.. I hope you and Mark can get back to business.

Hey Mark, Lenny has been a hard working honest webmaster for years, you know this. Give him a break ;-)

[Jace]

i was on tube8 earlier today and there are HUNDREDS of 30 minute movies on there

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Jace

i was on tube8 earlier today and there are HUNDREDS of 30 minute movies on there

yeppers.

[eightmotives]

2 claps for you bitch nuts

[Dirty F]

You apologize to DH? As nice as it is from you he really doesnt deserve it.

Remember how he tried to ruin an innocent guy's business? When he found out he was wrong he didnt say sorry. Instead he tried to fill his own pockets in that same thread?
He posted that shit all over the fucking place and till today there are several threads where DH attacked the guy with false info and never ever said sorry.

Whatever happened it cant be half as bad as what DH did to that guy. So dont feel bad and dont say sorry. That fucking faggot scamming punk doesnt deserve it.

DH's business is shady to start with. Its always on the edge of screwing people over but just in way that he cant be blamed. Know what i mean? And if one source dries up he finds something else shady to make money with. Its one fucked up guy. Mr internet mafia. Thinks he runs the internet. Hes a lunatic as well.

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by Jace

i was on tube8 earlier today and there are HUNDREDS of 30 minute movies on there

[Bossman]

Originally Posted by Jace

i was on tube8 earlier today and there are HUNDREDS of 30 minute movies on there

Yeah - the most depressing thing is reading their users comments. Someone uploading a teaser video (ex. 1-5 mins - cutting off when the hardcore sex begins), and he is thrown upon, while uploading entire 30 min scenes gives respect

[BradM]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

Hes a lunatic as well.

He's just BEYOND egotistical. He's so far up his own ass it's unreal.
Him and his woman are just nuts.

[tranza]

Fuck! Why is Ch00pa banned here?????

[tranza]

Is the word hahahahahaha banned here?

[xNetworx]

GTS and Drinking Fart can go suck a dick.

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by BradM

He's just BEYOND egotistical. He's so far up his own ass it's unreal.
Him and his woman are just nuts.

Yeah thats basically it. Youre right.

[BVF]

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by Bossman

Yeah - the most depressing thing is reading their users comments. Someone uploading a teaser video (ex. 1-5 mins - cutting off when the hardcore sex begins), and he is thrown upon, while uploading entire 30 min scenes gives respect

Thats how it works, and that is why Ive been beating the "secure all your content" drum over the "go after anyone running tubes" drum. Secure Secure Secure. Slowly ween people off the "pay 25.00 and get to keep all the content we have forever" model.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Thats how it works, and that is why Ive been beating the "secure all your content" drum over the "go after anyone running tubes" drum. Secure Secure Secure. Slowly ween people off the "pay 25.00 and get to keep all the content we have forever" model.

yup, I am launching 2 paysites in the next few weeks and both of them have flash embedded movies ONLY in the members area...fuck all that download everything shit

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by BVF

quoted for truth

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by Jace

yup, I am launching 2 paysites in the next few weeks and both of them have flash embedded movies ONLY in the members area...fuck all that download everything shit

A fuckin men. I dont understand why people want to hold on to the old model. Most everyone should know that the ONLY reason this model got started was due to NOT having the technology to stop them from keeping it forever.

Let me know when you have the sites Jace Ill throw you up in the members area.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

So is this mean you support ilegall tube sites ?

No, I don't like them, but I'm being realistic.

If an illegal tube site deposits it's sponsor checks at Chase, do I then have to boycott the bank and cut up my credit cards?
If they receive payment from GTS via epassporte do I have to boycott epass because they're "facilitating theft"?

If they host at abc host do I have to boycott them as well? And then do I have to boycott their upstream providers and peers as well? Do I have to boycott Dell because they made the server and Cisco because they made the router that serves up the stolen content?

I don't like illegal tube sites, (I really don't even like "legal" ones if they're giving away 30+ minute movies for free) but taking it out on DH wasn't the right thing for me to do.

[BradM]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

If an illegal tube site deposits it's sponsor checks at Chase, do I then have to boycott the bank and cut up my credit cards?
If they receive payment from GTS via epassporte do I have to boycott epass because they're "facilitating theft"?

If they host at abc host do I have to boycott them as well? And then do I have to boycott their upstream providers and peers as well? Do I have to boycott Dell because they made the server and Cisco because they made the router that serves up the stolen content?

Short answer: Yes.

[Martin]

Originally Posted by BradM

Short answer: Yes.

Not that simple Brad.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

A fuckin men. I dont understand why people want to hold on to the old model. Most everyone should know that the ONLY reason this model got started was due to NOT having the technology to stop them from keeping it forever.

Let me know when you have the sites Jace Ill throw you up in the members area.

for sure man, members area trades all the way brutha

yeah, I don't get why people don't grasp new technologies better, now granted, drm was absolute shit and SO inconvenient, but embedded flash movies are 100% in the right direction

[notoldschool]

This thread is gay.

[BAKO]

I predict 6 pages?

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Jace

for sure man, members area trades all the way brutha

yeah, I don't get why people don't grasp new technologies better, now granted, drm was absolute shit and SO inconvenient, but embedded flash movies are 100% in the right direction

Why? because I like to be able to pay my mortgage. lol Please let us know how its goes, I hope Im wrong how I think it will go. You're one of the few I know I will get a honest answer from.

[RyuLion]

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[mrkris]

Originally Posted by BradM

Supporting those who support content theft = Priceless.

This makes sense in some ways. What if I write a web app and someone uses it with stolen content, does that mean I'm supporting content theft?

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

I started a thread saying I was boycotting them and that everyone else should too

I never realized you were so influential.

[Elli]

Originally Posted by Jace

for sure man, members area trades all the way brutha

yeah, I don't get why people don't grasp new technologies better, now granted, drm was absolute shit and SO inconvenient, but embedded flash movies are 100% in the right direction

I'm looking into embedded for my own site, but am worried about my members rebelling.

[notoldschool]

members like to download and save their favorite videos. Plus who wants to watch it in tube style when you can get that shit for free? Fuck all you fags that say adapt. I wont and I havent lost a dime to any tube site. Its all about traffic.

traffic is the key word I think

[Jace]

Originally Posted by tony404

Why? because I like to be able to pay my mortgage. lol Please let us know how its goes, I hope Im wrong how I think it will go. You're one of the few I know I will get a honest answer from.

I know of 3 programs right now that switched from all download to all flash embedded. from what 2 of them say it didn't effect anything whatsoever...but you HAVE to do it right....you can't just have a single flash video, you NEED to give them options, all the way up to HD/high quality...the 3rd program owner hasn't responded as to how his switch went

[SomeCreep]

uhhhh, ok.

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by Jace

for sure man, members area trades all the way brutha

yeah, I don't get why people don't grasp new technologies better, now granted, drm was absolute shit and SO inconvenient, but embedded flash movies are 100% in the right direction

We are doing RTMPE .mp4s encoded with h264 running off CaveCreek CDN fms. Instant playback, scrub anywhere in the video and watch it, dont have to download the full file, so this is a big savings in the long run. Members rarely watch a full video, they watch a bit of the beginning then scrub along towards the middle, then onto the cumshot etc. That means you only pay for what they view instead of the full file. Only way to grab my vids that I am doing this with is screen capturing.

Faster delivery, lower bandwidth cost, and more secure. Yet people stick to .wmv downloads.

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

members like to download and save their favorite videos. Plus who wants to watch it in tube style when you can get that shit for free? Fuck all you fags that say adapt. I wont and I havent lost a dime to any tube site. Its all about traffic.

TubeStyle? You mean like www.hulu.com its kind of tube style.

If streaming at HD sizes is tubestyle well ok then lets call it a tubestyle members area then. lol

But hey Im sure that consumers that are becoming TOTALLY accustom to watching instant view high quality video for FREE, that Im sure they will love to download some .wmv files that their wife or kids might find huh?

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Elli

I'm looking into embedded for my own site, but am worried about my members rebelling.

I remember disabling right click in 2000, so they couldnt save pics and lost a shit load of members and a shit load more were very pissed off. So we took it off.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Jace

I know of 3 programs right now that switched from all download to all flash embedded. from what 2 of them say it didn't effect anything whatsoever...but you HAVE to do it right....you can't just have a single flash video, you NEED to give them options, all the way up to HD/high quality...the 3rd program owner hasn't responded as to how his switch went

When I hear your results you have from your sites you launch,that's what I will give weight to . I dont trust most.

[qxm]

Originally Posted by ThumbLord

traffic is the key word I think

.... yeap, that might very well be..

[tony286]

also if the time warner thing takes off , people are going to want to download once not burn up bw going to the site to watch again and again.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by tony404

also if the time warner thing takes off , people are going to want to download once not burn up bw going to the site to watch again and again.

there is no possible way in hell that will EVER take off

the only way I can see that happening is in rural areas where time warner is the ONLY option for those people, so they are forced to do it

[SomeCreep]

Originally Posted by tony404

also if the time warner thing takes off , people are going to want to download once not burn up bw going to the site to watch again and again.

Chances are that Time Warner will not pursue their new metered bandwidth business model. Similar models have already been tried, tested, and failed. Customers hate it, end of story. All of this is simply further evidence that Time Warner is a poorly run company and has no idea what they're doing.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Jace

there is no possible way in hell that will EVER take off

the only way I can see that happening is in rural areas where time warner is the ONLY option for those people, so they are forced to do it

i hope your right it would suck big time.

[tehHinjew]

i might check their services out soon

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Jace

there is no possible way in hell that will EVER take off

the only way I can see that happening is in rural areas where time warner is the ONLY option for those people, so they are forced to do it

You don't think that if Time Warner is able to pull it off that the other carriers won't petition their respective PUC for a rate change? ie: metering b/w

[uno]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

members like to download and save their favorite videos. Plus who wants to watch it in tube style when you can get that shit for free? Fuck all you fags that say adapt. I wont and I havent lost a dime to any tube site. Its all about traffic.

why not allow them either x amount of full video dl's per month or dl of videos at a cost for each? If you have the original content for it, it could be a very winning model.