I ran over a little kid today on my motorbike - GoFuckYourself.com

DWB · 06-24-2008, 03:04 PM

For those who don't know, most of the people in South East Asia zip around on motorbikes, which is like a beefed up moped. Top speed on mine is 140kph.

So it's 10am-ish and I'm flying around a curvy road that has little shops literally sitting on the edge of the road. Meaning if you go off the road, you are crashing into someones store. These stores are not the door kind you know in the western world, but think Flea Market type with roofs where the shop is in open air under it.

I round a corner and this fucking little kid, maybe 4 years old, darts out of a shop and right into the road. I nail him and sent the little fucker flying like he was a dog. He was small enough and I hit him square on that it didn't make me fall but I locked up the brakes and skid to the side, catching myself before I fell down. The old man "taking care" of the kid saw this and ran out screaming at the kid.

The kid, to my amazement, got up, looked at the old man and started crying. He seems ok, but this old man ran to him and started BEATING HIS ASS! I mean, he tore into this litte fuck like he was trying to kill him. The kid survives getting drilled by me and my bike somehow, without hardly a scratch, and takes a worse beating from his old man or grandpa.

Knowing not to get involved with Thai business, and how if they do call the cops, I'm gonna get hosed for cash, I got outta there without looking back as I drove off. It would be the Thai way for the kid to get hurt from the beating from the old man, then tell the cops it was from me, and I have to pay out the nose for these wretched people. Hell, as far as I know, he threw the little boy into the road on purpose. They do that sort of shit over here so ya never know.

Madness.

And for those of you who are worried, my bad ass bike is ok.

Libertine · 06-24-2008, 03:08 PM

In before shitstorm.

Socks · 06-24-2008, 03:08 PM

Wow that's crazy man, how many hail mary's did you say?

DWB · 06-24-2008, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Socks

Wow that's crazy man, how many hail mary's did you say?

Heh. I went to the temple and talked to a monk about it. I thought maybe he could go take care of things in case the baby is hurt or if the old man hurts the baby from the beating.

He said don't worry about it. It happens all the time.

DWB · 06-24-2008, 03:39 PM

This is one day after I drilled a huge chicken in the same manner. A few motobike taxi drivers wanted to start a fight with me over it. LOL

Forgot to add that.

Dirty F · 06-24-2008, 03:43 PM

Those bikes are crazy there. Almost every Thai person i met has scars all over the place from accidents like that. I also had a motorbike accident there. I was on the bike with a gf and some dude just jumped from behind a car and we crashed. The girl was hurt pretty bad. Enough to make most people in the western world to go a hospital but she just stood up and took the pain the next 7 days or so. I've seen up to 5 people sitting on those small motorbikes. mom, dad and 3 kids. Without a helmet...crazy.

Dirty F · 06-24-2008, 03:46 PM

I had a date with a girl there from some clothing store. I was sitting on the biki waiting for her. 6 afternoon or so...this totally fucking wasted Thai dude sees me...walks towards me tried to hit me but is too drunk to get even close to my face with his hand...i was just sitting there thinking wtf...i believe he even fell down...after that he left.

_Richard_ · 06-24-2008, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

Heh. I went to the temple and talked to a monk about it. I thought maybe he could go take care of things in case the baby is hurt or if the old man hurts the baby from the beating.

He said don't worry about it. It happens all the time.

that's nice of you

The Heron · 06-24-2008, 03:57 PM

I love when they strap a propane tank to the back of those fuckers and go zipping around, always wondered what happens in a crash...

DWB · 06-24-2008, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

Those bikes are crazy there. Almost every Thai person i met has scars all over the place from accidents like that. I also had a motorbike accident there. I was on the bike with a gf and some dude just jumped from behind a car and we crashed. The girl was hurt pretty bad. Enough to make most people in the western world to go a hospital but she just stood up and took the pain the next 7 days or so. I've seen up to 5 people sitting on those small motorbikes. mom, dad and 3 kids. Without a helmet...crazy.

I don't think it's possible to ride a bike here and not crash at one time or another. EVERYONE I know has had an accident on some level.

My brother has about 1 a month. No shit.

RedShoe · 06-24-2008, 04:01 PM

Thank Allah there was no titties involved. I don't like it when titties get hurt.

payd2purv · 06-24-2008, 04:04 PM

Good story don't feel bad accidents happen.

The kid got beat cause he ran into the street just like kids here would get beat for running into the street :P

DWB · 06-24-2008, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

I had a date with a girl there from some clothing store. I was sitting on the biki waiting for her. 6 afternoon or so...this totally fucking wasted Thai dude sees me...walks towards me tried to hit me but is too drunk to get even close to my face with his hand...i was just sitting there thinking wtf...i believe he even fell down...after that he left.

Typical.

I LOVE watching Thai people have accidents. Where I stay, the main intersections have countdown lights to let you how how many seconds left on green / red and so on. These dumb fucks will park on red and when it gets to about 3 counting backwards to green, THEY GO!!!! It's still 3 seconds of red and they fucking go. Unreal. I smile every time I see one get blasted by a car and turned into mush.

On the flip side, those going on green keep going well after it has turned red.

So picture 3 seconds early, a mess of them dart into cross traffic, and then when it turns green, they ALL go into the cross section while the people who had green before don't all stop.

Then add booze and drugs to the mix. A least 1/2 of all drivers are drunk here at any given time.

I just like to get Subway and sit on the corner of a real busy intersection and wait for accidents.

DWB · 06-24-2008, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RedShoe

Thank Allah there was no titties involved. I don't like it when titties get hurt.

Indeed. I would have stopped and given them CPR.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 06-24-2008, 04:13 PM

Hit and run. You are felon.

Kudles · 06-24-2008, 04:52 PM

Holy shit what a day.

dropped9 · 06-24-2008, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

Hit and run. You are felon.

I'm Looking For A... · 06-24-2008, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

I drilled a huge chicken

BAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

RedShoe · 06-24-2008, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

Hit and run. You are felon.

Of all the shit he does, this would be the least of his worries. I think tossing real live grenades into thai ponds would be worse.

Malicious Biz · 06-24-2008, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

The kid, to my amazement, got up, looked at the old man and started crying. He seems ok, but this old man ran to him and started BEATING HIS ASS! I mean, he tore into this litte fuck like he was trying to kill him. The kid survives getting drilled by me and my bike somehow, without hardly a scratch, and takes a worse beating from his old man or grandpa.

Haha, That's crazy.

NinjaSteve · 06-24-2008, 05:28 PM

Well that sucks. Was it near where you live?

CunningStunt · 06-24-2008, 07:20 PM

For some reason I thought you were going to end up in Bel Air.

DWB · 06-24-2008, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

Hit and run. You are felon.

Just another felony in a long list of felonies that I am guilty of.

But they will never take me alive.

nekrom · 06-24-2008, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

Typical.

I LOVE watching Thai people have accidents. Where I stay, the main intersections have countdown lights to let you how how many seconds left on green / red and so on. These dumb fucks will park on red and when it gets to about 3 counting backwards to green, THEY GO!!!! It's still 3 seconds of red and they fucking go. Unreal. I smile every time I see one get blasted by a car and turned into mush.

On the flip side, those going on green keep going well after it has turned red.

So picture 3 seconds early, a mess of them dart into cross traffic, and then when it turns green, they ALL go into the cross section while the people who had green before don't all stop.

Then add booze and drugs to the mix. A least 1/2 of all drivers are drunk here at any given time.

I just like to get Subway and sit on the corner of a real busy intersection and wait for accidents.

Haha. Those count down intersections around bk are a comedy to watch. My best experience at a set of those was my taxi driver mofo gunning it at 150+ blasting his horn, through the intersection. I don't blame him though. Getting stuck at those lights is a pain in the ass, waiting time.

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crockett · 06-24-2008, 08:17 PM

Glad the kid was ok, but if it's that bad over there why live there?

RedShoe · 06-24-2008, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Glad the kid was ok, but if it's that bad over there why live there?

Because this:

gets you this:

dig?

DWB · 06-24-2008, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Glad the kid was ok, but if it's that bad over there why live there?

Here, there, where ever the wind and the money takes me.

I prefer to not know what is going to happen every day. I like waking up in strange places, hearing strange languages, smelling bizarre smells and eating odd foods. I spent plenty of time in the states, been to every state, so it was time to experience something new. Literally, every day is an adventure here. The same applies to any country such as this around the world. If it's too easy to live, I lose interest.

It's not "that bad" as it may seem from a few stories. It has it's bad moments, as anywhere does, but it also has incredible ones.

Then there is the female factor. Asia, South America, wherever... I prefer to have the odds TOTALLY in my favor. Paid or non-paid, the girl to guy ratio is insane and you have to be retarded to not get as much ass as you desire. I like to fuck a different girl every day of the week. Usually many of them are the same girls, but I let them know if they are my "Monday" girl or "Thursday" cum dump, and she's ok with that. Ladyboys get the weekends, exclusively. My girlfriend doesn't mind and joins in on the fun.

I can't forget to add that this is where most of my production is done. It's not like I can just pay someone to come over here and shoot it for me. This is some of the most difficult content to get, and for those who can get it on a regular basis, the return is pretty good.

And then there is the orphanage. A few of us built a shelter for street children and it does take up a lot of my time. It really is difficult to tear yourself away from the little buggers once you spend time with them and can see first hand, how they are changing for the better. Keeps my heart full of love, which I end up giving to the ladyboys on the weekend.

Last, the USD, EU and GBP goes a LONG way over here. I live like a king in every aspect of the word most of the time. Last I checked I couldn't get a huge ocean view condo for $700 a month in the USA. My dollar just doesn't go as far back home.

As long as you can put up with the crazy shit... it's worth every minute.

DWB · 06-24-2008, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RedShoe

Because this:

gets you this:

dig?

I can dig it like an old soul record.

bloggingseo · 06-24-2008, 09:52 PM

I'll take my North American ass holes over that kind of crap any day

raven1083 · 06-24-2008, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

I can dig it like an old soul record.

nicely shave pussy

thebossxxx · 06-24-2008, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

For those who don't know, most of the people in South East Asia zip around on motorbikes, which is like a beefed up moped. Top speed on mine is 140kph.

So it's 10am-ish and I'm flying around a curvy road that has little shops literally sitting on the edge of the road. Meaning if you go off the road, you are crashing into someones store. These stores are not the door kind you know in the western world, but think Flea Market type with roofs where the shop is in open air under it.

I round a corner and this fucking little kid, maybe 4 years old, darts out of a shop and right into the road. I nail him and sent the little fucker flying like he was a dog. He was small enough and I hit him square on that it didn't make me fall but I locked up the brakes and skid to the side, catching myself before I fell down. The old man "taking care" of the kid saw this and ran out screaming at the kid.

The kid, to my amazement, got up, looked at the old man and started crying. He seems ok, but this old man ran to him and started BEATING HIS ASS! I mean, he tore into this litte fuck like he was trying to kill him. The kid survives getting drilled by me and my bike somehow, without hardly a scratch, and takes a worse beating from his old man or grandpa.

Knowing not to get involved with Thai business, and how if they do call the cops, I'm gonna get hosed for cash, I got outta there without looking back as I drove off. It would be the Thai way for the kid to get hurt from the beating from the old man, then tell the cops it was from me, and I have to pay out the nose for these wretched people. Hell, as far as I know, he threw the little boy into the road on purpose. They do that sort of shit over here so ya never know.

Madness.

And for those of you who are worried, my bad ass bike is ok.

I have been on that bike, yah a tough. 6"1 225 lb New Yorker in South East Asia,
I have to admit I was holding onto DWB, like a scared 98lb ladyboy...

PlugRush Sascha · 06-24-2008, 11:09 PM

Haha, nice story. Hopefully the kid is alright.

Violetta · 06-24-2008, 11:42 PM

poor kid...

tranza · 06-25-2008, 07:14 AM

Nice to hear the kid is ok!

huda · 06-25-2008, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by CunningStunt

For some reason I thought you were going to end up in Bel Air.

Haha so did I!

nico-t · 06-25-2008, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

I nail him and sent the little fucker flying like he was a dog.

G.A.F · 06-25-2008, 07:52 AM

Wow! What a story. Poor kid: he saved his life after being hit by your bike... only to fell on his grandpa's hands.
Not his lucky day.

HorseShit · 06-25-2008, 08:08 AM

poor kid, hopefully he is fine and doesn't have permanent brain damage that can't be seen with the naked eye which will give him tons of problems down the road and could lead to a sooner death than he might normally expect in that country

kmanrox · 06-25-2008, 08:17 AM

i miss doing pattaya with DWB

condomless drunken orgies mixed with girls and ladyboys... fucckkkkkkkkkkkkk

Reak AGV · 06-25-2008, 08:19 AM

Your story is just as how I expected it too be, glad your bike is ok

Dirty F · 06-25-2008, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

Typical.

I LOVE watching Thai people have accidents. Where I stay, the main intersections have countdown lights to let you how how many seconds left on green / red and so on. These dumb fucks will park on red and when it gets to about 3 counting backwards to green, THEY GO!!!! It's still 3 seconds of red and they fucking go. Unreal. I smile every time I see one get blasted by a car and turned into mush.

On the flip side, those going on green keep going well after it has turned red.

So picture 3 seconds early, a mess of them dart into cross traffic, and then when it turns green, they ALL go into the cross section while the people who had green before don't all stop.

Then add booze and drugs to the mix. A least 1/2 of all drivers are drunk here at any given time.

I just like to get Subway and sit on the corner of a real busy intersection and wait for accidents.

Oh man i can so picture that happening there. Those people are unreal.

DWB · 06-25-2008, 09:31 AM

The funny thing is, I hit a child and nothing happens. However when I hit the big chicken, I had a small army of motobike taxi drivers chasing me to kick my ass.

I guess in a land where it's ok to sell children into prostitution, it's not a problem if you drill them with your bike, so long as they live so they can grow up to support the family. But if you kill a big chicken... you're in big trouble. I mean, who's gonna wake everyone up at 5am if all the roosters die?

SmokeyTheBear · 06-25-2008, 10:20 AM

"this old man ran to him and started BEATING HIS ASS!"

aka witnessed a child being assaulted

"I mean, he tore into this litte fuck like he was trying to kill him"

aka witnessed an attempted murder

"I got outta there without looking back as I drove "

aka hit and run

you criminal LOL

CaptainHowdy · 06-25-2008, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by RedShoe

Because this:

gets you this:

dig?

Two very strong reasons I gotta say...

06-24-2008, 03:04 PM	#1
DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	I ran over a little kid today on my motorbike For those who don't know, most of the people in South East Asia zip around on motorbikes, which is like a beefed up moped. Top speed on mine is 140kph. So it's 10am-ish and I'm flying around a curvy road that has little shops literally sitting on the edge of the road. Meaning if you go off the road, you are crashing into someones store. These stores are not the door kind you know in the western world, but think Flea Market type with roofs where the shop is in open air under it. I round a corner and this fucking little kid, maybe 4 years old, darts out of a shop and right into the road. I nail him and sent the little fucker flying like he was a dog. He was small enough and I hit him square on that it didn't make me fall but I locked up the brakes and skid to the side, catching myself before I fell down. The old man "taking care" of the kid saw this and ran out screaming at the kid. The kid, to my amazement, got up, looked at the old man and started crying. He seems ok, but this old man ran to him and started BEATING HIS ASS! I mean, he tore into this litte fuck like he was trying to kill him. The kid survives getting drilled by me and my bike somehow, without hardly a scratch, and takes a worse beating from his old man or grandpa. Knowing not to get involved with Thai business, and how if they do call the cops, I'm gonna get hosed for cash, I got outta there without looking back as I drove off. It would be the Thai way for the kid to get hurt from the beating from the old man, then tell the cops it was from me, and I have to pay out the nose for these wretched people. Hell, as far as I know, he threw the little boy into the road on purpose. They do that sort of shit over here so ya never know. Madness. And for those of you who are worried, my bad ass bike is ok.

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Socks Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,475	Wow that's crazy man, how many hail mary's did you say?

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DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	This is one day after I drilled a huge chicken in the same manner. A few motobike taxi drivers wanted to start a fight with me over it. LOL Forgot to add that.

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Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	Those bikes are crazy there. Almost every Thai person i met has scars all over the place from accidents like that. I also had a motorbike accident there. I was on the bike with a gf and some dude just jumped from behind a car and we crashed. The girl was hurt pretty bad. Enough to make most people in the western world to go a hospital but she just stood up and took the pain the next 7 days or so. I've seen up to 5 people sitting on those small motorbikes. mom, dad and 3 kids. Without a helmet...crazy.

06-24-2008, 03:46 PM	#7
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	I had a date with a girl there from some clothing store. I was sitting on the biki waiting for her. 6 afternoon or so...this totally fucking wasted Thai dude sees me...walks towards me tried to hit me but is too drunk to get even close to my face with his hand...i was just sitting there thinking wtf...i believe he even fell down...after that he left.

06-24-2008, 03:57 PM	#9
The Heron Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Michigan Posts: 4,487	I love when they strap a propane tank to the back of those fuckers and go zipping around, always wondered what happens in a crash...

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06-25-2008, 09:31 AM	#42
DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	The funny thing is, I hit a child and nothing happens. However when I hit the big chicken, I had a small army of motobike taxi drivers chasing me to kick my ass. I guess in a land where it's ok to sell children into prostitution, it's not a problem if you drill them with your bike, so long as they live so they can grow up to support the family. But if you kill a big chicken... you're in big trouble. I mean, who's gonna wake everyone up at 5am if all the roosters die? Last edited by DWB; 06-25-2008 at 09:33 AM..

06-25-2008, 10:20 AM	#43
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	"this old man ran to him and started BEATING HIS ASS!" aka witnessed a child being assaulted "I mean, he tore into this litte fuck like he was trying to kill him" aka witnessed an attempted murder "I got outta there without looking back as I drove " aka hit and run you criminal LOL __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com