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s9ann0 · 05-11-2008, 07:17 PM

its all free now, no more recurrings

aico · 05-11-2008, 07:18 PM

you obviously aren't giving your members daily crosswords and sudoku puzzles

Iron Fist · 05-11-2008, 07:20 PM

Congrats on 5,000 posts by the way....

Emma · 05-12-2008, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by sharphead

Congrats on 5,000 posts by the way....

I agree

Zorgman · 05-12-2008, 12:37 AM

Just like the TGPS, TGP2 and the MPG did right?

Paul Markham · 05-12-2008, 12:41 AM

If you can't compete with Tube sites you're doing something wrong. They are shite.

Fabien · 05-12-2008, 04:34 AM

It's the worst thing that ever happened !
I was here since late 96 and trust me, IT IS !

Now all of you saying you need to adjust blahblahblah you're fucking ridiculous if you ain't seeing it. It is nothing compared to TGPS and alike

They don't have to buy anything. NADA, RIEN
Webmasters don't even have to pay for content !

Sites you thought would last forever are declining.
Arent' you seeing worst and worst ratios ?
Aren't you seeing worst and worst rebills ?

You won't see 35$/per sale offers from sponsors for very long. The only reason it is still offered well, think very hard...

Jens Van Assterdam · 05-12-2008, 04:38 AM

Bullshit.. its 2008 and a TGP or a simple blog wont make you big bucks anymore. Surfers demand different things these days. Give it to them and cash in. Period.

StuartD · 05-12-2008, 04:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zorgman

Just like the TGPS, TGP2 and the MPG did right?

TGP's and MGP's gave a small portion away as a teaser to entice the surfer to sign up to get more.

Tube sites give away the entire thing, no teasing, no enticing, no signing up.

Antonio · 05-12-2008, 05:25 AM

tube sites will kill 90% of the paysites, cams and dating are still going strong ..... until China becomes democracy and we start seeing "3 hours private chat for $1.95" on every second cam site

cem · 05-12-2008, 05:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zorgman

Just like the TGPS, TGP2 and the MPG did right?

What you and many others out there dont seem to understand is that TGP's and MGP's (not mpg btw) are previews of videos/pictures with a referral link to the site itself, BUT (illegal) tube sites are FULL length members area videos, why the hell should a surfer join your site while they can find all the porn in the world on a (illegal) tube site. Surfers join a site for their content, if they can access your content without having to pay anything then why the fuck should they join your paysite?

notoldschool · 05-12-2008, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by s9ann0

its all free now, no more recurrings

I havent noticed a decline in rebills at all.

bronco67 · 05-12-2008, 05:47 AM

I really think it all comes down to the quality of your product.

If your product is comparable to what is on a tube site -- i.e., short, garbage clips, then you are probably in trouble.

free garbage >>> pay garbage

bronco67 · 05-12-2008, 05:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco67

I really think it all comes down to the quality of your product.

If your product is comparable to what is on a tube site -- i.e., short, garbage clips, then you are probably in trouble.

Disregard

StuartD · 05-12-2008, 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco67

I really think it all comes down to the quality of your product.

If your product is comparable to what is on a tube site -- i.e., short, garbage clips, then you are probably in trouble.

free garbage >>> pay garbage

And if your product IS the product on the tube site?
There is no comparison to be made when they take your full product and post it for free.

DebsDeep · 05-12-2008, 06:03 AM

Tube sites cannot compare to a good amateur website with member interaction...nor will they ever

Mysites are all going strong

Zorgman · 05-12-2008, 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StuartD

TGP's and MGP's gave a small portion away as a teaser to entice the surfer to sign up to get more.

Tube sites give away the entire thing, no teasing, no enticing, no signing up.

Sorry, but the title is "tube site is ending adult internet", a Tube site is legal. What he should of written was "illegal tube site is ending adult internet".

There is a different, those that are sponsor friendly should be "tube sites", those that steal and give away full movies should be "illegal tube sites".

gideongallery · 05-12-2008, 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cem

What you and many others out there dont seem to understand is that TGP's and MGP's (not mpg btw) are previews of videos/pictures with a referral link to the site itself, BUT (illegal) tube sites are FULL length members area videos, why the hell should a surfer join your site while they can find all the porn in the world on a (illegal) tube site. Surfers join a site for their content, if they can access your content without having to pay anything then why the fuck should they join your paysite?

to chat live with the girl featured in the video

gideongallery · 05-12-2008, 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zorgman

Sorry, but the title is "tube site is ending adult internet", a Tube site is legal. What he should of written was "illegal tube site is ending adult internet".

There is a different, those that are sponsor friendly should be "tube sites", those that steal and give away full movies should be "illegal tube sites".

nope should say "tube sites we wish were illegal but are not because of the DMCA safe harbour provision is ending adult internet

Shoplifter · 05-12-2008, 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jens Van Assterdam

Bullshit.. its 2008 and a TGP or a simple blog wont make you big bucks anymore. Surfers demand different things these days. Give it to them and cash in. Period.

I just downloaded all of those movies on Videosz at Puretna for free.

Zorgman · 05-12-2008, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

nope should say "tube sites we wish were illegal but are not because of the DMCA safe harbour provision is ending adult internet

I don't think that would fit into the title field.

Matt 26z · 05-12-2008, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by s9ann0

its all free now, no more recurrings

Tube sites do not have a negative effect on members areas that meet 2008 standards of quality.

I would agree that tubes are hurting some, perhaps many, paysites, but it's a similar scenario from 2001-02 where massive TGP and MGP content damaged members areas operating like it was still 1998.

Eventually the bar is raised by industry leaders so high that the stuff far below them becomes devalued. Nowadays it's the tube surfing experience, like it or not, that is the bottom rung. A lot of paysites are actually below the tubes now because they didn't stay on top of things over the years.

Hazlewood · 05-12-2008, 07:19 AM

there is plenty of green for all...Just need to change things up a little

Zester · 05-12-2008, 07:25 AM

a porn site that trades traffic/ links to a tube site is operated by an idiot.

without traffic, a tube site is nothing.

for some reason some porn sites, of any type , trade traffic with tube sites....

TheLegacy · 05-12-2008, 07:26 AM

He's right - it's all over. Time to start looking for mainstream employment - tell me how that goes

Barefootsies · 05-12-2008, 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s9ann0

tube site is ending adult internet

Barefootsies · 05-12-2008, 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antonio

tube sites will kill 90% of the paysites

Not a chance.

Barefootsies · 05-12-2008, 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notoldschool

I havent noticed a decline in rebills at all.

Exactly.

My sites, and business has double and tripled the last three years. So obviously my members and patrons didn't get the memo.

PPjohn · 05-12-2008, 07:48 AM

They want make it easy, thats for sure

CherryV · 05-12-2008, 09:18 AM

I think the key is to give the surfer intangibles that tube sites dont give. Chat, Live Cam, Answer member emails, etc, etc

Anna_Miller · 05-12-2008, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Tube sites do not have a negative effect on members areas that meet 2008 standards of quality.

I would agree that tubes are hurting some, perhaps many, paysites, but it's a similar scenario from 2001-02 where massive TGP and MGP content damaged members areas operating like it was still 1998.

Eventually the bar is raised by industry leaders so high that the stuff far below them becomes devalued. Nowadays it's the tube surfing experience, like it or not, that is the bottom rung. A lot of paysites are actually below the tubes now because they didn't stay on top of things over the years.

I agree here to some degree. I don't think tube sites are great for the industry, guys can still wack off to a 20 minute shitty quality video. But if people want to see anything of quality they still pay.

seeric · 05-12-2008, 09:49 AM

not true. tubes will not end adult internet.

snaker · 05-12-2008, 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabien

It's the worst thing that ever happened !
I was here since late 96 and trust me, IT IS !

Now all of you saying you need to adjust blahblahblah you're fucking ridiculous if you ain't seeing it. It is nothing compared to TGPS and alike

They don't have to buy anything. NADA, RIEN
Webmasters don't even have to pay for content !

Sites you thought would last forever are declining.
Arent' you seeing worst and worst ratios ?
Aren't you seeing worst and worst rebills ?

You won't see 35$/per sale offers from sponsors for very long. The only reason it is still offered well, think very hard...

The only thing I know is my ratios are getting better and my payouts are getting bigger?

TheDoc · 05-12-2008, 10:50 AM

The average long term retention in this industry hasn't dropped. Now, the natural trail to convert ratios have, but a simple upgrade script solves that problem. Just recently CCBill had a client reach 99 rebills, on several members, making them reset the limits. (That's 8.25+ years retention)

The market is changing, the traffic is moving, sources are much more broad and even larger than ever before. Tubes will never beat out Paysites just like Social Media will never replace News.

Pay Per Signup is here to stay, it creates far far far more income than Revshare programs and has only gotten stronger over the last 10 years. It's easier to cover the costs on a PPS today than it was even 6 years ago - Retention isn't a factor when it has remained about the same.

The prime for our business is GONE, it will never return. But that doesn't mean you can't get the sales/income you once had. Previous traffic was all tied into a few major sources in this business, a few major players owned the majority of traffic - which they shared. Today, the few traffic sources have now turned into 1000's of unique sources - the people have moved - just as they have done before and just like they will continue to do.

I do not read the same news sites as I once did, I don't enjoy the same sites I once did, or games, just about everything online for me has changed. Even from 2 weeks ago, 2 years, and 10 years, the changes are huge. If this change has happened to me then it's safe to assume the change happens for everyone.

And that's why I think you have to adapt, change, and always be on the move in this Business - or you will get simply be left behind like so many already have been.

GatorB · 05-12-2008, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cem

What you and many others out there dont seem to understand is that TGP's and MGP's (not mpg btw) are previews of videos/pictures with a referral link to the site itself, BUT (illegal) tube sites are FULL length members area videos, why the hell should a surfer join your site while they can find all the porn in the world on a (illegal) tube site. Surfers join a site for their content, if they can access your content without having to pay anything then why the fuck should they join your paysite?

ever see that quality of most of those full length movies? I hear whiners bitching about rudtube. I've been there, that site sucks. Search is less than useless.

BigPinPin · 05-12-2008, 11:03 AM

Just kill the tubes with some serious 2257 trouble and/or copyright violations ! Kick their ass !

paymeback · 05-12-2008, 11:10 AM

This thread starts up every week, dont people get bored replying to it? If you cant make $$ anymore thinking outside the box move to mainstream or something else

Zester · 05-12-2008, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paymeback

This thread starts up every week, dont people get bored replying to it? If you cant make $$ anymore thinking outside the box move to mainstream or something else

I keep hear people say "mainstream" , from when is mainstream easier than porn ? what do you mean when you mean mainstream anyway ?

aico · 05-12-2008, 01:54 PM

I get more free porn sent to me every day in my email just by signing up for a couple affiliate programs than I do from any Tube site.

Star 69 · 05-12-2008, 02:42 PM

Now more and more surfers want HD qulity and Tube sites has no HD!

WarChild · 05-12-2008, 02:47 PM

And yet my tube traffic converts awesome. Go figure.

RogerV · 05-12-2008, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabien

It's the worst thing that ever happened !
I was here since late 96 and trust me, IT IS !

Now all of you saying you need to adjust blahblahblah you're fucking ridiculous if you ain't seeing it. It is nothing compared to TGPS and alike

They don't have to buy anything. NADA, RIEN
Webmasters don't even have to pay for content !

Sites you thought would last forever are declining.
Arent' you seeing worst and worst ratios ?
Aren't you seeing worst and worst rebills ?

You won't see 35$/per sale offers from sponsors for very long. The only reason it is still offered well, think very hard...

I totally agree our industry is filled with idiots. the only ones benefiting from Tube sites might be Dating and cam sites
The way I feel about all free stuff if I can Blow a load off it its Bad.. It shouldnt be free

kazbalah · 07-19-2008, 11:51 PM

I think niche content will be very important.

Say schoolgirl uniform videos - you wont find 100 of those on a tube site. But a sponsor advertising thier schoolgirl uniform paysite will draw in traffic from people interested in that type of content - then sales can be made.

DBS.US · 07-20-2008, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by debsdeepthroat

Tube sites cannot compare to a good amateur website with member interaction...nor will they ever

Mysites are all going strong

Ya, the smart ones know. Don't bother to tell the others, they are all to busy building new tube sites

asl · 07-20-2008, 12:21 AM

It doesn't kill the Adult internet. Maybe some affiliates will lose sales and ratios but paysite owners will always make sales if the content is top notch !

brandonstills · 07-20-2008, 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aico

you obviously aren't giving your members daily crosswords and sudoku puzzles

Is that why retention is so low? Damn it, why didn't someone tell me that before?

bdld · 07-20-2008, 02:59 AM

the rules of the game are changing, but the game is still strong if you know how to play.

DaLord · 07-20-2008, 03:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zorgman

Just like the TGPS, TGP2 and the MPG did right?

There's a huge difference between giving away 14 pictures and 300 complete movies.

Emil · 07-20-2008, 03:58 AM

the skys is fallings!

Klen · 07-20-2008, 04:02 AM

It's all about traffic in any case.

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Fabien Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,787	It's the worst thing that ever happened ! I was here since late 96 and trust me, IT IS ! Now all of you saying you need to adjust blahblahblah you're fucking ridiculous if you ain't seeing it. It is nothing compared to TGPS and alike They don't have to buy anything. NADA, RIEN Webmasters don't even have to pay for content ! Sites you thought would last forever are declining. Arent' you seeing worst and worst ratios ? Aren't you seeing worst and worst rebills ? You won't see 35$/per sale offers from sponsors for very long. The only reason it is still offered well, think very hard... Last edited by Fabien; 05-12-2008 at 04:35 AM..

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TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	The average long term retention in this industry hasn't dropped. Now, the natural trail to convert ratios have, but a simple upgrade script solves that problem. Just recently CCBill had a client reach 99 rebills, on several members, making them reset the limits. (That's 8.25+ years retention) The market is changing, the traffic is moving, sources are much more broad and even larger than ever before. Tubes will never beat out Paysites just like Social Media will never replace News. Pay Per Signup is here to stay, it creates far far far more income than Revshare programs and has only gotten stronger over the last 10 years. It's easier to cover the costs on a PPS today than it was even 6 years ago - Retention isn't a factor when it has remained about the same. The prime for our business is GONE, it will never return. But that doesn't mean you can't get the sales/income you once had. Previous traffic was all tied into a few major sources in this business, a few major players owned the majority of traffic - which they shared. Today, the few traffic sources have now turned into 1000's of unique sources - the people have moved - just as they have done before and just like they will continue to do. I do not read the same news sites as I once did, I don't enjoy the same sites I once did, or games, just about everything online for me has changed. Even from 2 weeks ago, 2 years, and 10 years, the changes are huge. If this change has happened to me then it's safe to assume the change happens for everyone. And that's why I think you have to adapt, change, and always be on the move in this Business - or you will get simply be left behind like so many already have been. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

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