So let's decide what a legitimate cross-sale on a join page should look like - GoFuckYourself.com

Mutt · 07-23-2008, 11:56 AM

Lots of talk lately about the growing number of programs with pre-checked cross-sales on them.

what's the consensus here say is a legitimate way of doing cross-sales? is it just one? none? more than one is ok? can pre-checked cross-sales be ok or should they have to be un-checked? must the cross-sale be above the Submit button? are line breaks to place the cross sales down the page a legitimate technique? should URL's of the sites being cross sold be mandatory?

Mutt · 07-23-2008, 12:59 PM

Jarmusch · 07-23-2008, 01:06 PM

Anything that's not pre-checked is ok.

starpimps · 07-23-2008, 01:09 PM

in a perfect world no pre-check xsells
but if it is pre-checked have in regular font beside the "free access blah blah blah (recurring for $x on x days)

instead of burying the terms of the xsells at the bottom of the page

not going to happen tho

Sosa · 07-23-2008, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by starpimps

in a perfect world no pre-check xsells
but if it is pre-checked have in regular font beside the "free access blah blah blah (recurring for $x on x days)

instead of burying the terms of the xsells at the bottom of the page

not going to happen tho

I agree...

tony286 · 07-23-2008, 01:11 PM

if its a good deal you shouldnt have to precheck it. Amazon is always offering me things when paying. Sometimes I bite sometimes I dont.

tony286 · 07-23-2008, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by starpimps

in a perfect world no pre-check xsells
but if it is pre-checked have in regular font beside the "free access blah blah blah (recurring for $x on x days)

instead of burying the terms of the xsells at the bottom of the page

not going to happen tho

What will happen Visa will make the high risk cb ratio .2 or .1 then it will stop like magic.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 07-23-2008, 01:16 PM

If ya ask me Cross sales should not be permitted.

The long run would result in higher quality sites and more realistic and reliable payouts.
We owe it to the consumer to provide a good deal and not trick them. Our Industry would be alot better if it were trust worthy.
And perhaps instigate or prosper less shaves.

seeric · 07-23-2008, 01:16 PM

FACT:

The concenus here doesn't matter.

90% of the people here don't do a sale a year.

Doesn't matter what anyone on GFY thinks, it really doesn't.

Just being realistic.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 07-23-2008, 01:19 PM

A good cross sale is not having them prechecked.

Let the consumer decide.

GrouchyAdmin · 07-23-2008, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

A good cross sale is not having them prechecked.

Let the consumer decide.

What if sponsors started offering you $50 PPS for prechecked with opt in, and $20 for no crosses? Would there be as much bitching as there is now? Wait, there'd be bitching that they're only being paid $20 for $1 instead of $50 for ~$3.

mynameisjim · 07-23-2008, 02:33 PM

Despite the effect of tube sites, I still say the NUMBER 1 reason people are hesitant to sign up to any adult site is fear of being overcharged or never being able to cancel. Pre-checked sales play right into that fear and confirm it.

I don't think there is any way to do pre-checked sales fairly so I'm all for "un-checked only"

I forget what site it was but when I signed up they had an option to get a 1 week trial to another site for a few bucks more. I checked it. I was a surfer then so people do buy those cross sales. I forgot to cancel it and got charged a full month but never felt cheated. So the site got it's full upsell and I felt I hadn't been scammed.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 07-23-2008, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin

What if sponsors started offering you $50 PPS for prechecked with opt in, and $20 for no crosses? Would there be as much bitching as there is now? Wait, there'd be bitching that they're only being paid $20 for $1 instead of $50 for ~$3.

NO. Stop being so willing to rip consumers off with these kind of things. We all would make alot more money with the trust of the consumer. Thats the 2nd time I had to repeat this! LOL! They chose a site for reason, they do not need to be tricked. If this were a rule the quality of sites would go up and stop being 90% shit.

Matt 26z · 07-23-2008, 10:32 PM

[ ] Yes! Include a FREE three day trial membership to XYZpaysite.com. If trial membership is not canceled within three days of activation, trial membership automatically converts to a full membership at $29.95 per month.

Better yet, affiliates should just push sites that can survive on the merits of their own members area without having to pull BS on surfers just to pay their affiliates.

SmokeyTheBear · 07-23-2008, 10:36 PM

i have never actually bought a porn membership from a surfers perspective, but i do buy things from mainstream sites like godaddy.com that have annoying x-sells, As annoying as they are for porn stuff , most of them are usually fairly obvious. I think they work better for niche porn than mainstream porn.

I know some smaller sites numbers but i would be interested to hear from some big sponsors what % of surfers actually keep the cross sales

LB-69 · 07-23-2008, 10:57 PM

The pre cheked xsells is not invention of the porn industry, go sign up for free account on hotmail or yahoo and see how much pre checked "features" they offering you before you really getting to your "free" mailbox.

Matt 26z · 07-23-2008, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

I know some smaller sites numbers but i would be interested to hear from some big sponsors what % of surfers actually keep the cross sales

Not many surfers would knowingly approve of $90/mo worth of sites in one shot. After they get suckered into it, how many are too embarrassed to call their CC company and complain so they just cancel online and pay the fee?

I think a more telling number would be the % of cross sales that rebill past the first full month membership.

stevo · 07-23-2008, 11:12 PM

Unchecked is fair...

Prechecked is pretty much like going to the grocery store and the store manager throws some shit into your cart while you're not looking.

cranki · 07-23-2008, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

A good cross sale is not having them prechecked.

Let the consumer decide.

word. I'd prefer a CLEAN and FAIR revshare over a $50 pps anytime

Matt 26z · 07-23-2008, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LB-69

The pre cheked xsells is not invention of the porn industry, go sign up for free account on hotmail or yahoo and see how much pre checked "features" they offering you before you really getting to your "free" mailbox.

Do you think the pre checked offers before getting a Yahoo email address in any way hurt Google's ability to sign people up to gMail?

Of course not.

This "mainstream does it too!" stuff is total BS.

Can anyone here name ONE instance in legit mainstream where a casual surfer is paying for something and there are pre-checked boxes (sometimes hard to understand) for the same product of a different type that will double or triple the charges if not unchecked?

Please, show me JUST ONE.

Agent 488 · 07-23-2008, 11:20 PM

yer right - adult did not invent this ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by LB-69

The pre cheked xsells is not invention of the porn industry, go sign up for free account on hotmail or yahoo and see how much pre checked "features" they offering you before you really getting to your "free" mailbox.

NETbilling · 07-23-2008, 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K

FACT:

The concenus here doesn't matter.

90% of the people here don't do a sale a year.

Doesn't matter what anyone on GFY thinks, it really doesn't.

Just being realistic.

You are my favorite

07-23-2008, 11:56 AM	#1
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	So let's decide what a legitimate cross-sale on a join page should look like Lots of talk lately about the growing number of programs with pre-checked cross-sales on them. what's the consensus here say is a legitimate way of doing cross-sales? is it just one? none? more than one is ok? can pre-checked cross-sales be ok or should they have to be un-checked? must the cross-sale be above the Submit button? are line breaks to place the cross sales down the page a legitimate technique? should URL's of the sites being cross sold be mandatory? __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

07-23-2008, 12:59 PM	#2
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	__________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

07-23-2008, 01:09 PM	#4
starpimps Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: internets Posts: 6,954	in a perfect world no pre-check xsells but if it is pre-checked have in regular font beside the "free access blah blah blah (recurring for $x on x days) instead of burying the terms of the xsells at the bottom of the page not going to happen tho __________________ Teen Porn Models / Solo Girls

07-23-2008, 01:16 PM	#8
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	If ya ask me Cross sales should not be permitted. The long run would result in higher quality sites and more realistic and reliable payouts. We owe it to the consumer to provide a good deal and not trick them. Our Industry would be alot better if it were trust worthy. And perhaps instigate or prosper less shaves. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \| Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 07-23-2008 at 01:18 PM..

07-23-2008, 01:19 PM	#10
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	A good cross sale is not having them prechecked. Let the consumer decide. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

07-23-2008, 01:06 PM	#3
Jarmusch Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 12,464	Anything that's not pre-checked is ok.

07-23-2008, 01:11 PM	#6
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	if its a good deal you shouldnt have to precheck it. Amazon is always offering me things when paying. Sometimes I bite sometimes I dont.

07-23-2008, 01:16 PM	#9
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	FACT: The concenus here doesn't matter. 90% of the people here don't do a sale a year. Doesn't matter what anyone on GFY thinks, it really doesn't. Just being realistic.

07-23-2008, 02:33 PM	#12
mynameisjim Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,985	Despite the effect of tube sites, I still say the NUMBER 1 reason people are hesitant to sign up to any adult site is fear of being overcharged or never being able to cancel. Pre-checked sales play right into that fear and confirm it. I don't think there is any way to do pre-checked sales fairly so I'm all for "un-checked only" I forget what site it was but when I signed up they had an option to get a 1 week trial to another site for a few bucks more. I checked it. I was a surfer then so people do buy those cross sales. I forgot to cancel it and got charged a full month but never felt cheated. So the site got it's full upsell and I felt I hadn't been scammed. __________________ jim (at) amateursconvert . com Amateurs Convert

07-23-2008, 10:32 PM	#14
Matt 26z So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: ¤ª"˜¨๑۩۞۩๑¨˜"ª¤ Posts: 18,481	[ ] Yes! Include a FREE three day trial membership to XYZpaysite.com. If trial membership is not canceled within three days of activation, trial membership automatically converts to a full membership at $29.95 per month. Better yet, affiliates should just push sites that can survive on the merits of their own members area without having to pull BS on surfers just to pay their affiliates.

07-23-2008, 10:36 PM	#15
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	i have never actually bought a porn membership from a surfers perspective, but i do buy things from mainstream sites like godaddy.com that have annoying x-sells, As annoying as they are for porn stuff , most of them are usually fairly obvious. I think they work better for niche porn than mainstream porn. I know some smaller sites numbers but i would be interested to hear from some big sponsors what % of surfers actually keep the cross sales __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

07-23-2008, 10:57 PM	#16
LB-69 Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Land of Smiling Pussy Posts: 1,322	The pre cheked xsells is not invention of the porn industry, go sign up for free account on hotmail or yahoo and see how much pre checked "features" they offering you before you really getting to your "free" mailbox. __________________ ICQ: 58181146 ExoticGold - 100% Original Transexual Affiliate Program, So Hot, Straight Men Get Sprung!

07-23-2008, 11:12 PM	#18
stevo Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 2,051	Unchecked is fair... Prechecked is pretty much like going to the grocery store and the store manager throws some shit into your cart while you're not looking.