PPS keep's getting higher but revshare stays the same, discuss

[Nicky]

PPS is almost higher than ever but the revshare sponsors stay the same. How long will it take untill PPS will start declining again? Or is there an endless supply of merchant accounts?

[WiredGuy]

Revshare are not aggressive in generating sales, PPS is more aggressive than ever.
WG

[Nicky]

What keeps a revshare sponsor from putting you on 100% and adding 2 pre-checked x-sales instead?

[WiredGuy]

Originally Posted by Nicky

What keeps a revshare sponsor from putting you on 100% and adding 2 pre-checked x-sales instead?

The members area probably has upsells like mad, exit consoles, emails being sold, etc... Once you add all that, the likelihood of generating a sale drops dramatically.
WG

[Nicky]

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

The members area probably has upsells like mad, exit consoles, emails being sold, etc... Once you add all that, the likelihood of generating a sale drops dramatically.
WG

Yea, but not on the PPS programs it seem's. I can honestly say though that I have never managed to recieve $50 per sale on average from a revshare sponsor using trials.

The only thing keeping the high PPS alive are the pre-checked x-sales. I am not condemning them but I do feel it won't last.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Nicky

Yea, but not on the PPS programs it seem's. I can honestly say though that I have never managed to recieve $50 per sale on average from a revshare sponsor using trials.

The only thing keeping the high PPS alive are the pre-checked x-sales. I am not condemning them but I do feel it won't last.

I have a couple programs where my sales are worth over $50 on average... I believe there isn't trials, but that isn't the point. It could still be relatively high even with trials, and honestly, they don't really convert any worse than a trial program.

A 100% rev-share with cross sells defeats the purpose, in my opinion. I mean seriously, you want 100% of a $3.95 trial that doesn't retain? That makes absolutely no sense and you would only be shooting your self in the foot.

Pushing a rev-share program to 100% will only force them to make money elsewhere, which means the site suffers, and in the end so does your income.

[polish_aristocrat]

The trend to increase PPS and to offer often huge PPS promos is definitely interesting.

In past years the expectations were that PPS will have to go down, because members don't rebill that good anymore and the strict credit card processing rules enforce more surfer friendly billing.


However, regardless of all that, the PPS payouts seem to be still high nowadays. But that's the price the programs have to pay to succesfully compete against each other.

Then again, considering the worsening ratios, it's not that the higher payouts are something really special for the average affiliate.

[TheDoc]

PPS make more net income than Revshare programs. (not counting xsales, exits, upsells, ect). The PPS program just has to wait and play the averages the revshare program can never earn more than the split. So the better a site retains, the more a revshare program pays out.

Also, when an affiliate stops a revshare program, checks keep coming even if no traffic is. With a PPS program, the checks stop and the net earnings start.

[Nicky]

Originally Posted by Sly

I have a couple programs where my sales are worth over $50 on average... I believe there isn't trials, but that isn't the point. It could still be relatively high even with trials, and honestly, they don't really convert any worse than a trial program.

A 100% rev-share with cross sells defeats the purpose, in my opinion. I mean seriously, you want 100% of a $3.95 trial that doesn't retain? That makes absolutely no sense and you would only be shooting your self in the foot.

Pushing a rev-share program to 100% will only force them to make money elsewhere, which means the site suffers, and in the end so does your income.

True, posts like this I wanted

[Nicky]

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

Then again, considering the worsening ratios, it's not that the higher payouts are something really special for the average affiliate.

Ratios do see a decline on the over-all but does sponsors raise the PPS to compensate the affiliate for worse ratios? Not likely.

PPS is increased for affiliates to push more sales, PPS sponsors spend less and less attention to trying to retain the customer a long time and in that way make up for the big payout.

[Nicky]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

PPS make more net income than Revshare programs. (not counting xsales, exits, upsells, ect). The PPS program just has to wait and play the averages the revshare program can never earn more than the split. So the better a site retains, the more a revshare program pays out.

Also, when an affiliate stops a revshare program, checks keep coming even if no traffic is. With a PPS program, the checks stop and the net earnings start.

The PPS programs are getting less and less interested in playing the averages and those net earnings you mention above, sales volume is what it's all about now.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Nicky

The PPS programs are getting less and less interested in playing the averages and those net earnings you mention above, sales volume is what it's all about now.

If it's about Volume, then the PPS model is the only way to go. Volume is god to PPS, it will earn you the most net income.

Paysites still, easily earn, $60+ per join on average. (mine are $80+) Add in exits, xsales, ect.. a PPS smokes a revshare program in every area.... other than starting out safe in a no lose situation.

The averages, have to do with time and money. PPS waits for money but they don't wait very long, less than 3 months with the averages.

[Nicky]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

If it's about Volume, then the PPS model is the only way to go. Volume is god to PPS, it will earn you the most net income.

Paysites still, easily earn, $60+ per join on average. (mine are $80+) Add in exits, xsales, ect.. a PPS smokes a revshare program in every area.... other than starting out safe in a no lose situation.

The averages, have to do with time and money. PPS waits for money but they don't wait very long, less than 3 months with the averages.

PPS with 3 x-sales and 2 of them semi-hidden wait 3 day's for their money

[BV]

Content Is King
Revshare Is King

Don't fall for the get rich quick $100 PPS, pre checked cross sale fuck your customer hype.

You want to make money in this business?

Do it the old fashioned way. Be smart and earn it.

Find an exclusive content revshare program WITH NO LEAKS, and run with it!

A picture is worth a thousand words:
(1 initial + 69 rebills) = $1676.00 TOTAL AND $838.00 IN MY AFDFILIATES POCKET!
http://www.bikinivoyeur.com/ccbill-cap.jpg

[tony286]

you should take that guy to dinner.

[Nicky]

Good stuff there BV

[Snake Doctor]

You're talking about two different things.

Saying PPS payouts go up but revshare stays the same isn't true.
If overall retention goes up then the revshare program is paying out more...it's just not more of a percentage.

I promote programs with trials where I make over $50 per member....and there are no exits, no cross sells, and no upsells in the members area.

All of that annoying shit doesn't make you more money, it just makes you more money TODAY....which is important if you have to payout $35 on a $1 sale....not so important if you're just splitting the revenues with your partners.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by BV

Content Is King
Revshare Is King

Don't fall for the get rich quick $100 PPS, pre checked cross sale fuck your customer hype.

You want to make money in this business?

Do it the old fashioned way. Be smart and earn it.

Find an exclusive content revshare program WITH NO LEAKS, and run with it!

A picture is worth a thousand words:
(1 initial + 69 rebills) = $1676.00 TOTAL AND $838.00 IN MY AFDFILIATES POCKET!
http://www.bikinivoyeur.com/ccbill-cap.jpg

Well that one member hardly makes the case for using revshare. I can post stats for programs where I sent one trial, they cancelled, or worse charged back...and that was the only join I ever sent them....at least with PPS I'd have made $35.

You have to look at the long term average.

[V_RocKs]

Just make money and shut up already!


No, really.. SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!


But seriously... SHUT YOUR FUCKING TRAP!


Honestly though... It is revshare sponsors not knowing about how to do that type of shit... The Xsells big programs make with other programs = 1/2 of their entire affiliate income and revshares don't even know how to capitalize on it.

[BV]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

Well that one member hardly makes the case for using revshare. I can post stats for programs where I sent one trial, they cancelled, or worse charged back...and that was the only join I ever sent them....at least with PPS I'd have made $35.

You have to look at the long term average.

i disagree

first off never use trials on revshare

and you have been around long enough to know that if you sent a bunch of trials to a PPS program and they don't convert for them, do you think that you really are going to be paid 35 dollars for all of them?

do u really believe that?

you will either be shaved until you are profitable
or they will convert your account to revshare.

or they will go broke

[Ross]

Anyone who promotes a sponsor PPS take a second to get the revshare link and go through the steps to the join page. I checked this out with one sponsor last week and they still have 2 pre checked cross sales on the join form. So I get a percentage of the initial sale and they get the cross sales.

[GetSCORECash]

We are a RevShare program, and while we have been experimenting with PPS, 100%RevShare, and our recent promotion listed on this thread and my sig:
http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/843303-xlgirls-com-50-pps-50-revshare-bbw-tit-natural-site-pics.html which is a combination of PPS and RevShare. We feel that RevShare is best for both the affiliate and us.

The PPS model as mentioned above forces the sponsor to look at other revenue options, which in the end the consumer is the one affected by those actions.

For those that are not promoteing us. We are offering $50 PPS for the initial signup, 50% for the unchecked cross sale to one of our sites, and 50% for both websites revenue share for the life of the membership.

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by SCORE-Cash

We are a RevShare program, and while we have been experimenting with PPS, 100%RevShare, and our recent promotion listed on this thread and my sig:
http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/843303-xlgirls-com-50-pps-50-revshare-bbw-tit-natural-site-pics.html which is a combination of PPS and RevShare. We feel that RevShare is best for both the affiliate and us.

The PPS model as mentioned above forces the sponsor to look at other revenue options, which in the end the consumer is the one affected by those actions.

For those that are not promoteing us. We are offering $50 PPS for the initial signup, 50% for the unchecked cross sale to one of our sites, and 50% for both websites revenue share for the life of the membership.

We can do without your spam in every fucking thread man. Fuck, you are annoying.
This thread is too discuss something. We dont care about you or your program.

[xmas13]

"If it's too good to be true, then it probably is."

Nuff said. )

[Nicky]

Originally Posted by BV

you will either be shaved until you are profitable
or they will convert your account to revshare.

or they will go broke

No need to shave these days, most joins are profitable because they circle jerk the x-sales around their own network of paysites, sooner or later the punter forgets to cancel his 2 day trial (or 30min trial) and he get's blown for $150

[Nicky]

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Honestly though... It is revshare sponsors not knowing about how to do that type of shit... The Xsells big programs make with other programs = 1/2 of their entire affiliate income and revshares don't even know how to capitalize on it.

Not the PPS sponsors that offer revshare apparently

I like my 50 bucks payouts on some of the sponsors I use though, since members areas are shit and no new content is coming I wouldn't dream of using the revshare link on them.

[TheDoc]

PPS Programs don't have to offer ANY xsales, exits or upsells to still have a $25-$35 payout, and higher. Score, is a good example of that, a $50 payout is pretty damn high and you get paid on xsales, pretty damn slick.

Not every PPS is fucking surfers over, you don't have to screw with the surfer or the webmaster. It's not hard to profit on a PPS program on just retention.

No reason to try act like all PPS's fall into the scam category.



And those xsales, don't instant bill you for $150.. You get billed when the xsale is used, if it is used. Anyone that is doing instant $150 xsales, will be out of business before shortly.

[plsureking]

i never liked PPS.

unless u cheat or try to somehow
trick the customer its a losing strategy.

i fought against it for 2 years on Matt's Models.
then we tried it and all it really did was cost me
money one day a week lol

i like clean, no tricks revshare.
call me old fashioned, but ethical biz
is the only long-term biz.

the pps programs are bleeding cash these days..

(keep 50%)

[Why]

almost all of these really high paying PPS programs are doing some pretty shady shit on their join forms... go check them out.

[Taass]

Originally Posted by BV

and you have been around long enough to know that if you sent a bunch of trials to a PPS program and they don't convert for them, do you think that you really are going to be paid 35 dollars for all of them?

do u really believe that?

you will either be shaved until you are profitable
or they will convert your account to revshare.

or they will go broke

Ding Ding.. We have a winner !

[Taass]

Originally Posted by Nicky

Not the PPS sponsors that offer revshare apparently

I like my 50 bucks payouts on some of the sponsors I use though, since members areas are shit and no new content is coming I wouldn't dream of using the revshare link on them.

Now that's how to loose a paying costumor forever..

Get your quick 50 bucks and let him get screwed over so he'll never buy a membership again.

nice tactics..

[tranza]

Revshare is very good!

[SCORE Ralph]

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

It is revshare sponsors not knowing about how to do that type of shit... The Xsells big programs make with other programs = 1/2 of their entire affiliate income and revshares don't even know how to capitalize on it.

You're statement is way to broad and generalized. Dont mix in all revshare programs with clueless business practices because you'll find the same in various PPS programs. Revshare is not greater than PPS or vice versa, it all depends on how your business is managed.

Know what you're selling and what your sponsors are selling/doing with your traffic. If you're in it for the long run, you should probably stick with PPS programs that dont fuck over the customer, and/or revshare programs with excellent member areas and high retention. As in any other investment plan: diversification is key.

[Nicky]

Originally Posted by Taass

Now that's how to loose a paying costumor forever..

Get your quick 50 bucks and let him get screwed over so he'll never buy a membership again.

nice tactics..

Nice tactics from the sponsor. Why would I use a revshare link if I know they for sure are not gonna rebill when they see no new content updates and after the x-sales etc. Find another sponsor with good updates is what I do if I want revshare instead.

[mynameisjim]

Considering all the people on GFY crying about sales, I'm assuming these insane PPS payouts haven't turned into a goldmine for that many people other than the guys running the programs and screwing over surfers 24/7.

If you sell high quality niched sites, 5 months or more of rebills aren't that unusual at all. And when I say "high quality" I mean the site delivers what the surfer wants, not what webmasters who never buy porn think is an awesome site.

[Nicky]

Originally Posted by mynameisjim

Considering all the people on GFY crying about sales, I'm assuming these insane PPS payouts haven't turned into a goldmine for that many people other than the guys running the programs and screwing over surfers 24/7.

If you sell high quality niched sites, 5 months or more of rebills aren't that unusual at all. And when I say "high quality" I mean the site delivers what the surfer wants, not what webmasters who never buy porn think is an awesome site.

This post made me check out your program

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by BV

i disagree

first off never use trials on revshare

and you have been around long enough to know that if you sent a bunch of trials to a PPS program and they don't convert for them, do you think that you really are going to be paid 35 dollars for all of them?

do u really believe that?

you will either be shaved until you are profitable
or they will convert your account to revshare.

or they will go broke

This is the same argument made by every revshare program owner, and it's all bullshit.

The answer, as always, is "It depends"

You say no PPS and no trials and maybe that works for you, great, but you can't come in here and say that everyone who pays per signup on trials is shaving or going bankrupt....just because you can't do it doesn't mean someone else can't.

I prefer revshare, but in some cases I have to promote PPS because it's all that's available.
I make more on naugyhty america revshare, with trials, than anyone out there is paying per signup right now.....but, if I have a choice between promoting AFF on revshare, or FLING on PPS (because that's all they offer) I'm taking FLING every day of the week and twice on Sunday because in that case, I make more (alot more) with the PPS.

So as always, the answer is "it depends", and there are better ways to push your program than saying everyone with a different business model than you must be shaving.

[cybermike]

Some programs dont offer revshare.. I would love to give nastydollars and bangbros more traffic if they offered revshare

[Nicky]

Originally Posted by cybermike

Some programs dont offer revshare.. I would love to give nastydollars and bangbros more traffic if they offered revshare

Same here, I'm pretty sure my bangbros sales have generated ALOT more than $35 per.

[BV]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

This is the same argument made by every revshare program owner, and it's all bullshit.

The answer, as always, is "It depends"

You say no PPS and no trials and maybe that works for you, great, but you can't come in here and say that everyone who pays per signup on trials is shaving or going bankrupt....just because you can't do it doesn't mean someone else can't.

I prefer revshare, but in some cases I have to promote PPS because it's all that's available.
I make more on naugyhty america revshare, with trials, than anyone out there is paying per signup right now.....but, if I have a choice between promoting AFF on revshare, or FLING on PPS (because that's all they offer) I'm taking FLING every day of the week and twice on Sunday because in that case, I make more (alot more) with the PPS.

So as always, the answer is "it depends", and there are better ways to push your program than saying everyone with a different business model than you must be shaving.

hey man, I think you are stretching things and putting words in my mouth.

Your last statement there is not accurate. For the record that is NOT my stance.

But like my grandpa used to say: "There's no sense in looking up a dead horses ass." So we can just move on.

Peace,
BV

PS: I have no idea where that phrase originated.

[NinjaSteve]

Originally Posted by BV

There's no sense in looking up a dead horses ass

This is the first time I have heard this

[Iron Fist]

Good thread

[Nicky]

Originally Posted by BV

But like my grandpa used to say: "There's no sense in looking up a dead horses ass." So we can just move on.

PS: I have no idea where that phrase originated.

wtf, that saying really doesn't make any sense

[redKommunication]

Revshare is obviously the way to go.

[Reak AGV]

Most 50/50 revshare programs have cross-sales too.