So much x-sale and cross sale drama lately... - GoFuckYourself.com

OldSchoolJim · 07-30-2008, 05:09 AM

Does this really surprise anyone?

Large programs are making moves and developing their own traffic networks a'la Brazzerz...

is this the end of the current affiliate model in the works?

most predictions I hear give it another 18 months- 2 years....if you are not a whale....you are out.

PPC is pretty much out of the question nowadays..except for the occasional jewel

What do you think the evolution of the affiliate is moving towards?
more affiliate owned tubes?

inquiring minds want to know

Nicky · 07-30-2008, 05:14 AM

Affiliates that are good at SEO will always be around, same goes for those with large sites like freeones etc. The climate is getting harder for small affiliates and newbies though. More affiliate owned tubesites are popping up every day, I'm not so sure that is going to be the solution though.

jscott · 07-30-2008, 06:56 AM

i've been seeing it lately, just about EVERY big sponsor, medium, and even quite a few small sponsors are doing disgusting amounts of pre-checked cross sells far below the payment button

sickening

Cyndalie · 07-30-2008, 07:04 AM

Affiliate "Whales" are most often now other businesses and it's usually tit for tat on that. As far as piggybacking sales and cross promoting every industry does it, not just adult. Magazines, mail order, even ebay has checkboxes to donate to charities when you list your auction trying to get you to give money away before you even earn it. Every try to cancel a book or music club thing, or how about those 'get a free xbox' promos you see everywhere (its free after you buy $500 worth of shit and 'free' subscriptions sure). Every sales form has prechecked 'promo' or newsletter boxes no matter where you buy from, consumers are used to seeing prechecks in one form or another. Sure there are some bad business practices going on but mostly it's just capitalizing on sales and perfectly legit.

tranza · 07-30-2008, 08:54 AM

Do not surprise me!

Nicky · 07-30-2008, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Cyndalie

Affiliate "Whales" are most often now other businesses and it's usually tit for tat on that. As far as piggybacking sales and cross promoting every industry does it, not just adult. Magazines, mail order, even ebay has checkboxes to donate to charities when you list your auction trying to get you to give money away before you even earn it. Every try to cancel a book or music club thing, or how about those 'get a free xbox' promos you see everywhere (its free after you buy $500 worth of shit and 'free' subscriptions sure). Every sales form has prechecked 'promo' or newsletter boxes no matter where you buy from, consumers are used to seeing prechecks in one form or another. Sure there are some bad business practices going on but mostly it's just capitalizing on sales and perfectly legit.

Yea, but on what magazine or mail order subscription do you see several pre-checked deals that doesn't specify the cost and are way below the submit button, on a magazine that would mean on another page.

tony286 · 07-30-2008, 09:07 AM

I always thought its the 80 20 rule, so only 20 percent make the actual sales.

commonsense · 07-30-2008, 09:22 AM

Most affiliates don't understand or give a shit about their traffic, so they have no issues at all fucking their customers. It's because they don't consider them customers in the first place, only found money.

It's no surprise that the vast majority of affiliates send their traffic to SHIT sites and programs, ones they've never seen the members area of. Blinded by $$$ signs to make pennies. They don't understand that the whopping $50 they just made is making the program $150 by charging the member multiple times, cross sales, ez click upgrades, duplicate members areas and all that. With that capital those programs can purchase just about any traffic that affiliate has ... just think about that for a second. It's not like most of them invest the money back into content.

And the affiliate will likely never have that member purchase through them again.

commonsense · 08-03-2008, 11:46 AM

This thread died fast.

fuzebox · 08-03-2008, 11:52 AM

Shrug, I don't think statements like "the affiliate model is dying out" or pointing out what a few large companies are doing really represent the entire industry. There is so much of the online adult industry that has never posted on GFY, or most GFYers have ever heard of. I'll keep generating as much niche traffic as i can and sending it to whoever will take it, or my own paysites, and that will keep on working for years to come, regardless of who is doing prechecked presales or what tube sites are out there.

Life goes on.

CDSmith · 08-03-2008, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

Shrug, I don't think statements like "the affiliate model is dying out" or pointing out what a few large companies are doing really represent the entire industry. There is so much of the online adult industry that has never posted on GFY, or most GFYers have ever heard of. I'll keep generating as much niche traffic as i can and sending it to whoever will take it, or my own paysites, and that will keep on working for years to come, regardless of who is doing prechecked presales or what tube sites are out there.

Life goes on.

No no, the sky really IS falling this time. This is the 273rd "sky is falling" thread I've read in just over 10 years, I'm sure this one is the real deal.

All kidding aside you pretty much nailed it.

tony286 · 08-03-2008, 12:17 PM

I can see the current affiliate model getting too expensive to maintain.

Iron Fist · 08-03-2008, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

I can see the current affiliate model getting too expensive to maintain.

Good... so can we go back to where the program off offered a signup link and ref code and nothing else? Then we can separate the men from the boys...

I have no issue asking for access to a site to make my own promo tools. I'm sure 99% of program owners wouldn't have a problem putting in no effort to gain additional sales from an affiliate whos willing to work as hard as they are.

tony286 · 08-03-2008, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sharphead

Good... so can we go back to where the program off offered a signup link and ref code and nothing else? Then we can separate the men from the boys...

I have no issue asking for access to a site to make my own promo tools. I'm sure 99% of program owners wouldn't have a problem putting in no effort to gain additional sales from an affiliate whos willing to work as hard as they are.

I agree a 50/50 partnership, affiliate invests in getting their sales and the sponsor invests in content and in the site to make it a site worth joining and staying a member of.

seeandsee · 08-03-2008, 12:48 PM

Sometimes prechecked sales are just TWO LARGE!

Black_Widow · 08-03-2008, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by seeandsee

Sometimes prechecked sales are just TWO LARGE!

you mean a 120 charge is too much for 1 day trial?

07-30-2008, 05:09 AM	#1
OldSchoolJim Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,117	So much x-sale and cross sale drama lately... Does this really surprise anyone? Large programs are making moves and developing their own traffic networks a'la Brazzerz... is this the end of the current affiliate model in the works? most predictions I hear give it another 18 months- 2 years....if you are not a whale....you are out. PPC is pretty much out of the question nowadays..except for the occasional jewel What do you think the evolution of the affiliate is moving towards? more affiliate owned tubes? inquiring minds want to know

07-30-2008, 05:14 AM	#2
Nicky Judge Jury and Executioner Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 30,069	Affiliates that are good at SEO will always be around, same goes for those with large sites like freeones etc. The climate is getting harder for small affiliates and newbies though. More affiliate owned tubesites are popping up every day, I'm not so sure that is going to be the solution though. __________________ gfynicky @ gmail.com

07-30-2008, 07:04 AM	#4
Cyndalie Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cherry Hill, NJ Posts: 3,615	Affiliate "Whales" are most often now other businesses and it's usually tit for tat on that. As far as piggybacking sales and cross promoting every industry does it, not just adult. Magazines, mail order, even ebay has checkboxes to donate to charities when you list your auction trying to get you to give money away before you even earn it. Every try to cancel a book or music club thing, or how about those 'get a free xbox' promos you see everywhere (its free after you buy $500 worth of shit and 'free' subscriptions sure). Every sales form has prechecked 'promo' or newsletter boxes no matter where you buy from, consumers are used to seeing prechecks in one form or another. Sure there are some bad business practices going on but mostly it's just capitalizing on sales and perfectly legit. __________________ Cyndalie Marketing Director StoriesTraffic.com

07-30-2008, 08:54 AM	#5
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	Do not surprise me! __________________ I'm just a newbie.

07-30-2008, 09:07 AM	#7
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I always thought its the 80 20 rule, so only 20 percent make the actual sales. Last edited by tony299; 07-30-2008 at 09:09 AM..

07-30-2008, 06:56 AM	#3
jscott So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Taipei Posts: 25,198	i've been seeing it lately, just about EVERY big sponsor, medium, and even quite a few small sponsors are doing disgusting amounts of pre-checked cross sells far below the payment button sickening

07-30-2008, 09:22 AM	#8
commonsense So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,790	Most affiliates don't understand or give a shit about their traffic, so they have no issues at all fucking their customers. It's because they don't consider them customers in the first place, only found money. It's no surprise that the vast majority of affiliates send their traffic to SHIT sites and programs, ones they've never seen the members area of. Blinded by $$$ signs to make pennies. They don't understand that the whopping $50 they just made is making the program $150 by charging the member multiple times, cross sales, ez click upgrades, duplicate members areas and all that. With that capital those programs can purchase just about any traffic that affiliate has ... just think about that for a second. It's not like most of them invest the money back into content. And the affiliate will likely never have that member purchase through them again.

08-03-2008, 11:46 AM	#9
commonsense So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,790	This thread died fast.

08-03-2008, 11:52 AM	#10
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,043	Shrug, I don't think statements like "the affiliate model is dying out" or pointing out what a few large companies are doing really represent the entire industry. There is so much of the online adult industry that has never posted on GFY, or most GFYers have ever heard of. I'll keep generating as much niche traffic as i can and sending it to whoever will take it, or my own paysites, and that will keep on working for years to come, regardless of who is doing prechecked presales or what tube sites are out there. Life goes on.

08-03-2008, 12:17 PM	#12
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I can see the current affiliate model getting too expensive to maintain.

08-03-2008, 12:48 PM	#15
seeandsee Check SIG! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Europe (Skype: gojkoas) Posts: 50,945	Sometimes prechecked sales are just TWO LARGE! __________________ BUY MY SIG - 50$/Year Contact here