UK People: Anybody else think this Russel Brand / Jonathan Ross this is just stupid?

[Sarah_Jayne]

I mean seriously. Somebody needs to stand up and tell these people complaining to get a grip. Two people complained when the show went out then weeks later a tabloid takes up the cause and 18,000 people complain about something they never heard in the first place. How can you be offended by something you didn't hear?

I am not even a fan of either Brand and Ross but this is just getting so beyond stupid.

[Marcus Aurelius]

I have no clue what your talking about. what is the controversy you are referring to?

[BigPimpCash]

I am pretty open minded... I actually dont mind Ross and brand... however they were dicks... in any other business they would of been sacked already... they went too far in my opinion...

Sachs grand daughter is a blatent slapper... he probaly knows that himself... doesnt take much workign out when you see pics of her ! But do you need two people leavign you multiple messages on your phone, especially when you know they are doing it whilst broadcastign to thousands fo radio listeners...

I know its their shock style of performance... personally if I had been Sachs I would of gone down there and given them a slap... lets be honest Ross and Brand combined couldnt fight their way out a wet brown paper bag...

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by MDCQ

I have no clue what your talking about. what is the controversy you are referring to?

Clearly you aren't in the UK or you wouldn't be able to move for coverage of it.

Two comedians known for flying near the knuckle were doing a radio show together and they were suppose to have the actor that played Manuel in Fawlty Towers as a guest. He didn't show up so they called him on air and got his answering machine. So, they left a message which was a bit rude and included Russel Brand saying he slept with the actor's (adult) grand daughter (which is apparently true). The actor complained to the BBC and then a paper took up the cause of an 'elderly man being harassed' and now it is apparently more important than the economy tanking since it is front page news, members of parliament asked questions about it in the house and now the BBC have suspended both from working which has resulted in a lot of tv and radio shows being canceled (they are both on a lot of shows and Ross is pretty much the highest paid person on the BBC) until they are unsuspended. Even things that have already been recorded.

I hate mass stupidity and this is it.

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by BigPimpCash

I am pretty open minded... I actually dont mind Ross and brand... however they were dicks... in any other business they would of been sacked already... they went too far in my opinion...

Sachs grand daughter is a blatent slapper... he probaly knows that himself... doesnt take much workign out when you see pics of her ! But do you need two people leavign you multiple messages on your phone, especially when you know they are doing it whilst broadcastign to thousands fo radio listeners...

I know its their shock style of performance... personally if I had been Sachs I would of gone down there and given them a slap... lets be honest Ross and Brand combined couldnt fight their way out a wet brown paper bag...

Yeah they were dicks and I rarely ever find either funny these days. Though, I do appreciate the quick wit of Brand when he lets himself be clever rather than rude. It wasn't nice what they did but for the level of coverage and reaction this is just dumb. Geeze, Eastenders buried somebody alive at tea time a few months ago and that gets less complaints than a show barely anybody heard making a prank call to an actor.

[Scott McD]

I fucking hate the BBC, and i don't care much about Brand or Woss, however....... The uproar over this is just stupid when you consider the other things going on in the world right now. I'd like to know who these people are who actually take time out to complain about everything on the tv and radio nowadays...

[sexy-babes.tv]

Yawn Yawn Yawn.. They are comediens.. You ALWAYS offend people when you're being funny! Its stupid.. completely blown out of all proportion. I guess they got all the complaints from the blue rince brigade (old ladies)

[Marcus Aurelius]

Originally Posted by Sarah_MaxCash

Clearly you aren't in the UK or you wouldn't be able to move for coverage of it.

Two comedians known for flying near the knuckle were doing a radio show together and they were suppose to have the actor that played Manuel in Fawlty Towers as a guest. He didn't show up so they called him on air and got his answering machine. So, they left a message which was a bit rude and included Russel Brand saying he slept with the actor's (adult) grand daughter (which is apparently true). The actor complained to the BBC and then a paper took up the cause of an 'elderly man being harassed' and now it is apparently more important than the economy tanking since it is front page news, members of parliament asked questions about it in the house and now the BBC have suspended both from working which has resulted in a lot of tv and radio shows being canceled (they are both on a lot of shows and Ross is pretty much the highest paid person on the BBC) until they are unsuspended. Even things that have already been recorded.

I hate mass stupidity and this is it.

WOW. yeah that sounds like a douchebag thing for them to do, but I agree, the punishment does not fit the crime. Sounds like the media is going overboard.

[camuk19]

Complete waste of time. Out of the 18,000 complaints, only like 10 actually heard the show, most of the complaints came in after it was covered by the media. It's fucking stupid, the only reason they're getting suspended is beacause The Sun would complain and call it "BROKEN BRITAIN" or some stupid shit like that.

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by camuk19

Complete waste of time. Out of the 18,000 complaints, only like 10 actually heard the show, most of the complaints came in after it was covered by the media. It's fucking stupid, the only reason they're getting suspended is beacause The Sun would complain and call it "BROKEN BRITAIN" or some stupid shit like that.

When you consider the number of people the tabloids offend daily they really need to shut up.

[Vendot]

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[Vendot]

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[Sarah_Jayne]

Just saw the grand daughter on tv talking about being 'devastated' while wearing a total slapper top. People are losing their homes and this is what people care about. I wonder how many of the 18,000 complaints came from House of Commons phones to push attention away from the stories of the past two weeks.

[BigPimpCash]

it was the CIA instructed by Bush to help his mate Brown out... they will blame Brand on being Al Qaida... they are attacking out traditional institutes like Fawlty Towers the bastards ! next will be an attack on John Clesse...

On a serious note just because their are worst things going on in the world doesnt mean we ignore everything less...

If two employees in a company, lets say a bank phoned another employee and made the same references about that employees grand daughter what would happen ? just off to rinse my hair blue...

Yes comedians make offensive jokes... but this was very personal... not a genetal fat/black/gay joke... but personal comments made to the guys who daughter one of them fucked !

[johnuk]

It's so ridiculous, as if there's more not important stuff going on in the country?!! It's scary how much power a Nazi rag like the Daily Mail seems to have.

Brand and Ross are brilliant and always fly very close to the mark, that's what they do! That's why Jonathan Ross is the highest paid British TV personality and Russell Brand has the biggest radio show/podcast in the country. The girl involved is a slapper and surprise, surprise represented by Max Clifford!

They went too far this time, they've both apologised and should be allowed to carry on doing what they do best.

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by BigPimpCash

it was the CIA instructed by Bush to help his mate Brown out... they will blame Brand on being Al Qaida... they are attacking out traditional institutes like Fawlty Towers the bastards ! next will be an attack on John Clesse...

On a serious note just because their are worst things going on in the world doesnt mean we ignore everything less...

If two employees in a company, lets say a bank phoned another employee and made the same references about that employees grand daughter what would happen ? just off to rinse my hair blue...

Yes comedians make offensive jokes... but this was very personal... not a genetal fat/black/gay joke... but personal comments made to the guys who daughter one of them fucked !

And the crappiest thing in that is telling somebody's grandparent you had sex with them in that it sort of violates the privacy clause between you and somebody you have sex with even if only casually. However, it doesn't deserve a week worth of front page coverage and calls for criminal charges. I mean, really.

[Sarah_Jayne]

Mary Whitehouse must be dancing in her grave.

[urb]

Personally, I think the whole thing has been blown out of all proportion.

Andrew Sachs has offered forgiveness to Jonathan Ross if he makes the following statement:

"I Rarely Rile people but Retarded Russell bRand and I are Really Remorseful for our Rubbish, Rotten, Rude, Randy Remarks made on Radio about AndRew's gRandaughter. We tRuly RegRet any Rage, Ridicule, woRRy and embaRRassment Received by AndRew"

[johnuk]

Originally Posted by BigPimpCash

If two employees in a company, lets say a bank phoned another employee and made the same references about that employees grand daughter what would happen ? just off to rinse my hair blue...

They're not any old employees though, one's the highest paid in British TV history and the other is making Judd Apatow movies in his spare time lol.

Just heard a DJ from Fife FM on Sky News saying if he did the same he'd be sacked straight away. Of course you would you dick, no one gives a shit if you turned up for your 2 bit radio show or not!

[Scott McD]

Originally Posted by Sarah_MaxCash

Just saw the grand daughter on tv talking about being 'devastated' while wearing a total slapper top.

I wonder how much money she will make out of this to be honest.

Doesn't she have a website where she calls herself a "satanic slut" or something along those lines ??

Poor innocent girl...

[borked]

When Brits aren't moaning about money, they're moaning about life. They got fed up moaning about money, so they switched to somebody's life.

The BBC need to get themselves in order and stand up against this BS - so 18000 people complained? Like you said, only a fraction of them prolly heard the show. Still, that's a drop in the ocean compared to the numbers listening to the show. Brand is always pushing the limits, that's why he's been sacked from pretty much every position he's held, and why the Beeb snapped him up.

Why the fuck don't 18000 complain about Wogan being a total douchebag and get him suspended?

It is pretty lame what they did though - I loved Manuel. Keh?

[urb]

[mrwilson]

I know, shit was just a joke.
People take things to seriously :\
Anything to get a couple mins a fame.

[BradM]

I'm worried about the state of things when this is a problem the government needs to comment on. Get a job, Brown.

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by borked

When Brits aren't moaning about money, they're moaning about life. They got fed up moaning about money, so they switched to somebody's life.

The BBC need to get themselves in order and stand up against this BS - so 18000 people complained? Like you said, only a fraction of them prolly heard the show. Still, that's a drop in the ocean compared to the numbers listening to the show. Brand is always pushing the limits, that's why he's been sacked from pretty much every position he's held, and why the Beeb snapped him up.

Why the fuck don't 18000 complain about Wogan being a total douchebag and get him suspended?

It is pretty lame what they did though - I loved Manuel. Keh?

I see it as the BBC being afraid not to react and report on it every other second because they think people will point fingers and call 'cover up'. They need to stand up and tell people that 18,000 is a small percentage of the license fee payers and the rest just don't want to hear about it any longer.

I heard Kelvin Mckenzie of all evil people on the radio crying moral outrage. This is the most infamous editor of The Sun ever. The Sun is the largest cause of moron-ism in this whole country. I cry moral outrage about that.

In one of their songs, The Kaiser Chiefs have of one of the most on the money lyrics about modern British society that I have heard in a very long time and I was playing it in my head today every time the news went on about this. It goes "We are the angry mob. We read the papers everyday. We like who we like, we hate who we hate but we are also easily swayed".

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by BradM

I'm worried about the state of things when this is a problem the government needs to comment on. Get a job, Brown.

I haven't heard Brown mention it . It was a member of the opposition that actually called for criminal prosecution. He justs wants the Mail readers to vote Tory.

[Stellar]

I kind of like Russel Brand,

didn't really like the work he did for the MTV music awards,

and you can see how big of an ego he has some times which is disturbing, but overall a really funny guy when he has a bit of humility about him.

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by borked

Why the fuck don't 18000 complain about Wogan being a total douchebag and get him suspended?

Actually, thinking about this. Anybody want to start a complaint campaign against something like Strictly Come Dancing? Surely it wouldn't take much to get people complaining via an internet campaign. I mean, I never watch the show (except when the inlaws are here because they make me) but I am sure they did something to offend me last week. I think I heard something about the swimmer guy being chanted at to take is shirt off. So, I call sexual harassment. If enough people complain, by this president, they have to suspend the show and we have to all behind that campaign.

[marcjacob]

Originally Posted by Sarah_MaxCash

I haven't heard Brown mention it . It was a member of the opposition that actually called for criminal prosecution. He justs wants the Mail readers to vote Tory.

The PM did make a statement about it. As if he doesnt have more important things to talk about.

Originally Posted by borked

Still, that's a drop in the ocean compared to the numbers listening to the show.

For each complaint, the BBC consider that something like 2600 people will feel the same way. Im not sure of the exactly number, but its somewhere it that region. Most people dont complain about tv or radio shows, partly because they have a fucking life.

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by marcjacob

The PM did make a statement about it. As if he doesnt have more important things to talk about.



For each complaint, the BBC consider that something like 2600 people will feel the same way. Im not sure of the exactly number, but its somewhere it that region. Most people dont complain about tv or radio shows, partly because they have a fucking life.

Then that is just dumb because you know he probably has no clue who Brand is and barely even knows Ross. See but that is the tabloid mentality forcing him into having to comment on dumb ass fist shaking things. If he doesn't then the tabloids scream he is ignoring 'the people'. I hate 'the people'.

[marcjacob]

Originally Posted by Sarah_MaxCash

Then that is just dumb because you know he probably has no clue who Brand is and barely even knows Ross. See but that is the tabloid mentality forcing him into having to comment on dumb ass fist shaking things. If he doesn't then the tabloids scream he is ignoring 'the people'. I hate 'the people'.

Sarah youve lived in the US, do you think our tabloids are better or worse that US tabloids?

I havnt brought a newspaper since Diana died. I decided to take a months break in protest, and never felt willing to money into their pockets again. I cant stand the fuckers.

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by marcjacob

Sarah youve lived in the US, do you think our tabloids are better or worse that US tabloids?

I havnt brought a newspaper since Diana died. I decided to take a months break in protest, and never felt willing to money into their pockets again. I cant stand the fuckers.

The tabloids here and in the States are different creatures. When you say 'tabloid' in the States you are generally talking about things like the National Enquirer and even the Weekly World News. They are rubbish and go after celebs but they are a joke and everybody knows it. Over here a tabloid is more correctly named for the shape and size of the paper but they claim to actually be newspapers and a certain portion of the population fall for it. It isn't even the celeb stuff with the tabloids over here because generally I could care less about celebs but it is the way they totally dumb down news and take stances that are clearly racist at times and use 'the people' as an excuse. It is also the hypocracy of them. The Sun will run a story about 'sex pervs' right next to their page with a daily naked teenager on it.

The shame is that this county is responsible for some of the best journalists in the world. They just work in broadcast (especially world service, Radio 4, etc) and leave 'the papers' to rot in the Murdoch sludge.

[PornoStar69]

fuck the people who complained (18,000) bunch of fucking sissys

fuck the BBC - The Sun - Daily Mail - The Mirror -

Sky news BBC news

FUCK YOU ALL YOU FUCKING SHIT MEDIA

Ross & Brand RULE

[roly]

Originally Posted by Sarah_MaxCash

I mean seriously. Somebody needs to stand up and tell these people complaining to get a grip. Two people complained when the show went out then weeks later a tabloid takes up the cause and 18,000 people complain about something they never heard in the first place. How can you be offended by something you didn't hear?

I am not even a fan of either Brand and Ross but this is just getting so beyond stupid.

but those 18,000 people as tv licence payers, are paying brand and ross's ridiculously inflated wages, so they're entitled to complain wether they heard it or not. they did this to a grandfather of nearly 80, which is well out of order. but i agree the coverage this is getting is dispraportionate.

[PornoStar69]

I don't agree with you roly poly pudding and pie kissed the girls & made them cry.

18,000 of those people only complained because of the media coverage - certain there not the listeners - Brand and Ross are funny as fuck. fuck the media

[halfpint]

gota agree with you on this one Sarah. Thats the trouble over here everybody complains about stupid things. We are not allowed to have a laugh over here anymore

[bhutocracy]

Chris Morris was so right with Brass Eye/paedogeddon. I quite like Brand, he's much, MUCH smarter than he acts, everyone moved by the tabloids to complain should be removed from the genepool.

[Deputy Chief Command]

Originally Posted by Sarah_MaxCash

Just saw the grand daughter on tv talking about being 'devastated' while wearing a total slapper top. People are losing their homes and this is what people care about. I wonder how many of the 18,000 complaints came from House of Commons phones to push attention away from the stories of the past two weeks.

I find your logic kind of akward ? so .. once people start "losing homes" . . all goes ? how does that make sens to you ?

when things go bad ? people can act accordingly ? ? kind of strange . . dont matter how times are . .people should not act in that way ..


dude is 74 . .no need to harrass him . . and start talking like that on his anwser machine thing ..


fuckin bullshit . .

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by roly

but those 18,000 people as tv licence payers, are paying brand and ross's ridiculously inflated wages, so they're entitled to complain wether they heard it or not. they did this to a grandfather of nearly 80, which is well out of order. but i agree the coverage this is getting is dispraportionate.

Yeah and everybody else that didn't complain also paid their wages and think it is time to now shut up. If the people had actually listened to it and complained then fair enough but since only two people that actually listened to it complained the the rest are just trouble makers that smell blood and want to be a part in knocking somebody down off of their station. Why is it any worse because he is nearly 80? Surely rude is rude? What it wouldn't be so offensive if he was 50? If the grand daugher had been an actual child then fair enough but she is a grown up and I am fairly sure her grandfather had guessed she was having sex by now.

The real 'crime' is that it wasn't even funny.

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by Deputy Chief Command

I find your logic kind of akward ? so .. once people start "losing homes" . . all goes ? how does that make sens to you ?

when things go bad ? people can act accordingly ? ? kind of strange . . dont matter how times are . .people should not act in that way ..


dude is 74 . .no need to harrass him . . and start talking like that on his anwser machine thing ..


fuckin bullshit . .

My logic is that there is no way on this planet that this is of such important be a front page story for one day let alone several. This is not the most important story in the country which is what making it the lead story in every news broadcast suggests.

Again, it was rude, it was lame but it wasn't the huge crime it is being made into by the morality police who probably had forgotten the actor was even still alive but now suddenly care about his adult granddaughter's virtue.

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by bhutocracy

Chris Morris was so right with Brass Eye/paedogeddon. I quite like Brand, he's much, MUCH smarter than he acts, everyone moved by the tabloids to complain should be removed from the genepool.

Brass eye was brilliant.

[Deputy Chief Command]

Originally Posted by Sarah_MaxCash

Again, it was rude, it was lame but it wasn't the huge crime it is being made into by the morality police who probably had forgotten the actor was even still alive but now suddenly care about his adult granddaughter's virtue.

I think the outrage is not over the fact that he used to be Manuel on Fawlty . . but over the fact they are sending such messages to a 74year old ..

there are norms . / standards .. some things you just dont do . .

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by Deputy Chief Command

I think the outrage is not over the fact that he used to be Manuel on Fawlty . . but over the fact they are sending such messages to a 74year old ..

there are norms . / standards .. some things you just dont do . .

Yes, again it is rude and stupid but as bad as the papers are whipping it up to be? People wouldn't care if it was a random 74 year old and it isn't like he is a drooling mess. When you see him he is very alert and active. The papers are enjoying being able to whip people into a fist waving frenzy because they know that will sell more papers. Mark my words..give it a couple weeks and the exact same papers will be finding a reason to publicly call the granddaughter a slut. After all, they do that every day to other women and don't appear to care about their grandfathers.

I agree that there are standards and norms and in my world that includes not calling for censorship on things you didn't actually see, read or watch. It is like that episode of Father Ted where they have to protest against a film they never saw 'down with that!'

the funniest thing about the whole situation is this:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=srvrprSNen0

ruseel brand is a prick

[borked]

Originally Posted by Sarah_MaxCash

Actually, thinking about this. Anybody want to start a complaint campaign against something like Strictly Come Dancing?

Yeah, what the heck is with that? How on earth did that show get promoted to prime time BBC1? I hate that show, but it never bothered me when it was on BBC2 on a Sunday afternoon, but now it's up there, in your face with spin-off programmes everywhere

Anyways, stand up and be counted...

http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thre...081030054 609

I'll recommend your post

Anybody with a glimmer of a genuine sense of humour would instantly recognise what was going on and drop the ridiculous moral indignation and just get on with their lives. Over the centuries some of the funniest and most fondly revered humour has sprung from extremely close to the knuckle material. Moreover if you live a public life, as the entire Sachs family seem to do then you have to be prepared for people to comment or talk about you without your control... and she is no angel!!!!

[buzzy]

I shat myself laughing when Russel was asked about his bad press in the Daily Mail, and then he said something along the lines of "Lets not forget, the daily mail supported hitler" haha.

The funny thing is, Brand did actually sleep with his grand daughter. lmao

[roly]

Originally Posted by Sarah_MaxCash

Yeah and everybody else that didn't complain also paid their wages and think it is time to now shut up. If the people had actually listened to it and complained then fair enough but since only two people that actually listened to it complained the the rest are just trouble makers that smell blood and want to be a part in knocking somebody down off of their station. Why is it any worse because he is nearly 80? Surely rude is rude? What it wouldn't be so offensive if he was 50? If the grand daugher had been an actual child then fair enough but she is a grown up and I am fairly sure her grandfather had guessed she was having sex by now.

The real 'crime' is that it wasn't even funny.

if you can't see it's worse being obscene to an 80 year old than a younger person then you don't know many 80 year olds (or they don't teach respect for your elders in the US). they come from a different generation, add to that they were talking about his grand daughter, it's out of order.

as a main character in fawlty towers, one of the funniest british sitcoms ever, he has a place in a lot of peoples hearts, and they picked on the wrong person. manuel will be remembered long after that twat brand, although ross is ok.

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by roly

if you can't see it's worse being obscene to an 80 year old than a younger person then you don't know many 80 year olds (or they don't teach respect for your elders in the US). they come from a different generation, add to that they were talking about his grand daughter, it's out of order.

as a main character in fawlty towers, one of the funniest british sitcoms ever, he has a place in a lot of peoples hearts, and they picked on the wrong person. manuel will be remembered long after that twat brand, although ross is ok.

I think you are not listening. Yes, we get it was rude and over the mark but the reaction is FAR FAR too much. And he isn't 80..even if you round off his age he isn't 80. Heck, somebody his age is running for president in the USA. I enjoyed him in Fawlty Towers, though I bet some Spanish people were offended by his portrayal of them. It doesn't mean the two comedians need to be circled by the lynch mob.

Don't you see anything not right with calling for censorship on things you (general you) didn't actually see or hear yourself?

[roly]

Originally Posted by Sarah_MaxCash

I think you are not listening. Yes, we get it was rude and over the mark but the reaction is FAR FAR too much. And he isn't 80..even if you round off his age he isn't 80. Heck, somebody his age is running for president in the USA. I enjoyed him in Fawlty Towers, though I bet some Spanish people were offended by his portrayal of them. It doesn't mean the two comedians need to be circled by the lynch mob.

Don't you see anything not right with calling for censorship on things you (general you) didn't actually see or hear yourself?

he's 78 which is nearer 80 than 75. and yes someone that age is running for president in the US, but then they voted for idiots like bush and reagan, so they'll obviouslly vote for anyone.

i doubt many spanish were offended by manuel, he wasn't making fun of the spanish, he just happened to be a thick spaniard who struggled with english.

the fact as to whether people heard what was said when it was originally broadcast is irrelevant, once they found out what was said they're entitled to an opinion. it's hardly censorship, as what has been said has been broadcast.

i agree the reaction is ridicuosly over the top though.

[GrStallion]

[off topic] Will BBC get the F1 coverage from ITV next year? [/off topic]

Bad decision!