Palin - Creationism Should Be Taught in Schools

[pocketkangaroo]

Damn, just saw this:

http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2...s-vp-want.html

I would have voted for the 2000 version of John McCain, and I would have voted for him this time if he reverted back to that version. But putting someone on your ticket that doesn't believe in basic science is a slap in the face to anyone with an IQ over 60.

I know this is good news for Republicans who are into the whole "dinosaurs were Jesus' horses" crap, but to people who actually have some respect for science and common sense, it's a big step backwards that these people are still being accepted for one of the highest positions in the world.

[Fletch XXX]

science doesnt matter to mccain, oil profits and making sure you never believe there are still POWs in nam.

[Drake]

How do you teach creationism? You say that according to the Bible, Koran, or other religious scripture that there is some dude in the sky that created the world and everything in it. Is there anything more to it? Isn't scripture studied in religious studies classes and in religious schools already?

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Damn, just saw this:

http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2...s-vp-want.html

I would have voted for the 2000 version of John McCain, and I would have voted for him this time if he reverted back to that version. But putting someone on your ticket that doesn't believe in basic science is a slap in the face to anyone with an IQ over 60.

I know this is good news for Republicans who are into the whole "dinosaurs were Jesus' horses" crap, but to people who actually have some respect for science and common sense, it's a big step backwards that these people are still being accepted for one of the highest positions in the world.

McCain has taken opportunistic pandering to a whole new level, that's for sure.

Luckily, these two people are pretty unlikely to be accepted for the positions. If Obama doesn't mess up, he should be able to win the general election fairly easily.

McCain is continuing to follow the batshit-insane-wingnut line he needed to get through the primaries. After Bush, though, it should not get him the presidential nomination.

[BlackCrayon]

Damngum peoples, youse gotta be voting for the Mccain. He said we should DEFEAT! evil. Obama's answer... i really didn't understand..as it was more than one buzz word.

[notoldschool]

Next they will be teaching witch craft and scientology. Atleast they are a little more believable.

[klaze]

I think kids should be taught religion. TAUGHT NOT BRAINWASHED.

It is a part of history. (Not Creationism, Religion)

I think before Highschool it should only be taught in "Catholic" Schools or schools that have a focus on religion.

But not all schools.. definitely not public schools..

And then once they are in High School give the kid the option to take a religion class if he/she wants to.

If they go to a specific Religion Highschool then I would accept making religion class a requirement just for the first year and then their choice in following years.

Now I think ALL schools should teach Evolution no matter if they teach Creationism or not.

This is basically how they do it in Canada.. or did when I was in school..

[baddog]

Why shouldn't they be taught the theory?

That is one thing I noticed as being a parent. It seems like education in schools is like a logic register. You can only hold so many bits, so as new bits come in, the old ones drop out.

There are so many topics that are just not taught any more. As time goes on people only teach recent events and theories and anything that happened in the past just kind of drops to the wayside as not being important.

[klaze]

Just to clarify my post.

Being taught Creationism should be a part of the student studying religion since it is a part of it. But the kid should also be taught Evolution in science/history class...

No one or the other BS...

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by baddog

Why shouldn't they be taught the theory?

That is one thing I noticed as being a parent. It seems like education in schools is like a logic register. You can only hold so many bits, so as new bits come in, the old ones drop out.

There are so many topics that are just not taught any more. As time goes on people only teach recent events and theories and anything that happened in the past just kind of drops to the wayside as not being important.

"Teach the controversy" is the slogan of several organizations promoting creationism. The idea is to promote the thought that creationism is an equal alternative to evolution, that in the scientific community, there actually is a controversy.

But there isn't. There are virtually no scientists working in relevant fields who support creationism or intelligent design.

Teaching creationism in biology class creates the false impression that it's a scientifically relevant theory. It means spending inordinate amounts of time on something that has long passed the stage of being credible as a scientific theory.

Of course, there's nothing wrong with teaching it in history class, along with the flat earth theory, phlogiston and geocentrism. But that's not what the creationists want. They want it to be taught as a valid alternative to evolution - which it isn't.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Libertine

"Teach the controversy" is the slogan of several organizations promoting creationism. The idea is to promote the thought that creationism is an equal alternative to evolution, that in the scientific community, there actually is a controversy.

But there isn't. There are virtually no scientists working in relevant fields who support creationism or intelligent design.

Teaching creationism in biology class creates the false impression that it's a scientifically relevant theory. It means spending inordinate amounts of time on something that has long passed the stage of being credible as a scientific theory.

Of course, there's nothing wrong with teaching it in history class, along with the flat earth theory, phlogiston and geocentrism. But that's not what the creationists want. They want it to be taught as a valid alternative to evolution - which it isn't.

well said

[Shagbunny]

Originally Posted by klaze

I think kids should be taught religion. TAUGHT NOT BRAINWASHED.

It is a part of history. (Not Creationism, Religion)

I think before Highschool it should only be taught in "Catholic" Schools or schools that have a focus on religion.

But not all schools.. definitely not public schools..

And then once they are in High School give the kid the option to take a religion class if he/she wants to.

If they go to a specific Religion Highschool then I would accept making religion class a requirement just for the first year and then their choice in following years.

Now I think ALL schools should teach Evolution no matter if they teach Creationism or not.

This is basically how they do it in Canada.. or did when I was in school..

FUCK RELIGION.

Religion and Education, Government et al should not mix, period.

[PornNewz]

Originally Posted by Libertine

"Teach the controversy" is the slogan of several organizations promoting creationism. The idea is to promote the thought that creationism is an equal alternative to evolution, that in the scientific community, there actually is a controversy.

But there isn't. There are virtually no scientists working in relevant fields who support creationism or intelligent design.

Teaching creationism in biology class creates the false impression that it's a scientifically relevant theory. It means spending inordinate amounts of time on something that has long passed the stage of being credible as a scientific theory.

Of course, there's nothing wrong with teaching it in history class, along with the flat earth theory, phlogiston and geocentrism. But that's not what the creationists want. They want it to be taught as a valid alternative to evolution - which it isn't.

Exactly!

[mvee]

Originally Posted by Libertine

"Teach the controversy" i

Wear the controversy

[DWB]

Originally Posted by baddog

Why shouldn't they be taught the theory?

Because it's absurd to teach unless they teach the whole enchilada.

If they want to teach this, then they MUST teach EVERY theory about every religious and spiritual group. Then let the child make up his or her own mind.

To give them partial information at a public school about such a large subject is criminal. That's why I think it's best to not teach it at all. None of it. That is the parents job.

I would be fucking FURIOUS if this garbage was taught to my child without all other options being equally taught.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

I would be fucking FURIOUS if this garbage was taught to my child without all other options being equally taught.

I guess I am out of the loop. What other theories are there besides evolution and creationism?

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by baddog

Why shouldn't they be taught the theory?

because there is 0 facts to back up the theory so why should they teach it. Its mostly stories written by men high on hallucinogens in a time when people were even more ignorant as the current world population. If they teach your religous theory then you have to teach Buddhism, islamic, Paganism, ect...hell might as well throw L Ron Hubbard in there since they are all based on the same amount of facts and imagination.

[woj]

Originally Posted by Libertine

"Teach the controversy" is the slogan of several organizations promoting creationism. The idea is to promote the thought that creationism is an equal alternative to evolution, that in the scientific community, there actually is a controversy.

But there isn't. There are virtually no scientists working in relevant fields who support creationism or intelligent design.

Teaching creationism in biology class creates the false impression that it's a scientifically relevant theory. It means spending inordinate amounts of time on something that has long passed the stage of being credible as a scientific theory.

Of course, there's nothing wrong with teaching it in history class, along with the flat earth theory, phlogiston and geocentrism. But that's not what the creationists want. They want it to be taught as a valid alternative to evolution - which it isn't.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by baddog

I guess I am out of the loop. What other theories are there besides evolution and creationism?

There are quite a few sub-"theories" of creationism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_myth

[SifuE]

All Of The People Going For Office Are Morons! Bring Ron Paul Back!

[RP Fade]

I dont think teaching creationism in school is bad, I was taught that in my younger days and I even had to take 3 religion classes as a requirement at my University which I really enjoyed actually because you were actually allowed to debate, rebuttal and be judicious about things.

I think it's when you dismiss and discredit the other evolutionary theory that's bad. I just think it's bad judgement when you don't allow children and young adults to come to their own conclusions, on both sides of the coin. I've watched some documentaries where kids are ostrecized, made fun of and called 'monkeys' for even talking about evolution.

[fatfoo]

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by baddog

I guess I am out of the loop. What other theories are there besides evolution and creationism?

Creationism isn't really a theory. It just states that if we don't really know every single thing about evolution and never saw all of it take place, then someone must have created it. No differen than saying if we didn't say the mother give birth to the baby, a stork must have dropped it in.

And it shouldn't be taught because there is no scientific evidence behind it. It would be akin to teaching kids that the world is flat, the sun revolves around the earth and other "theories" that are scientifically false. In an age when China and India are churning out engineers and scientists at an almost 10 to 1 clip, do we really want to be spending time teaching our kids the Earth is 6,000 years old and dinosaurs were put here by the devil to trick us?

Believing in that is fine, but it should disqualify someone immediately from being in such a high office.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by baddog

I guess I am out of the loop. What other theories are there besides evolution and creationism?

Yea man, there are several others and many different versions based on geographical location. As far as I see it, evolution has the most evidence backing it. All the others (from all over the world) are equally as absurd as the other, so if you're gonna teach one, teach them all.

You also have some religions like Buddhism that just doesn't accept a time of creation for life. Why not teach why they think that as well? Nor you, me or anyone else can really say what the correct path or answer is.

[papill0n]

Well that says alot doesn't it. To teach creationism is to teach the most backward way of thinking in the face of gigantic mountains of knowledge. It blows my mind to think supposed greatest nation on earth would even consider this.

[Drake]

It's a theory, but one without any scientific basis. It's no different than teaching kids that some people believe the earth was created by martians from outerspace. Can't prove it, can't disprove it, can't test it. It's a belief like any belief that can be pulled out of thin air. If it belongs in school, it most certainly does not belong in any science class. In religious studies, philosophy, history, and creative writing classes, sure.

[papill0n]

Originally Posted by Mike33

It's a theory, but one without any scientific basis. It's no different than teaching kids that some people believe the earth was created by martians from outerspace. Can't prove it, can't disprove it, can't test it. It's a belief like any belief that can be pulled out of thin air. If it belongs in school, it most certainly does not belong in any science class. In religious studies, philosophy, history, and creative writing classes, sure.

Sorry mike but a theory is a scientific hypothesis. There is nothing science based about creationism.

[RedShoe]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

Nor you, me or anyone else can really say what the correct path or answer is.

I can. But, I'm not going to tell anyone.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by RageCash-Ben

Sorry mike but a theory is a scientific hypothesis. There is nothing science based about creationism.

I thought the same but it fits a loose defintion of theory, certainly not scientific theory though.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/theory
-an idea or explanation which has not yet been proved to be correct

[DWB]

Originally Posted by RedShoe

I can. But, I'm not going to tell anyone.

Of course YOU do, but they already refused your idea to teach that in school.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by RP Fade

I think it's when you dismiss and discredit the other evolutionary theory that's bad. I just think it's bad judgement when you don't allow children and young adults to come to their own conclusions, on both sides of the coin. I've watched some documentaries where kids are ostrecized, made fun of and called 'monkeys' for even talking about evolution.

Bingo,

[baddog]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

do we really want to be spending time teaching our kids the Earth is 6,000 years old and dinosaurs were put here by the devil to trick us?

Why would you have to tell them that? Why not spend a day on what some people thought?

And I spent about 10 years in parochial schools and I was never taught that,

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by baddog

Why would you have to tell them that? Why not spend a day on what some people thought?

And I spent about 10 years in parochial schools and I was never taught that,

Because it isn't science. Why not spend a day teaching kids that space aliens, bigfoot, and the chupacabra? Or about virgin births in health class? There is this homeless guy who stands on the corner of one of the streets here in Chicago and screams about how the government is controlling our minds through radio signals. I don't think that is appropriate for class either, even though "some people think" that.

Religion has no business in a science class. We can't keep letting our country fall farther and farther behind others in this field. They are already churning out scientists at a 10 to 1 clip, now we are going to send them out into the real world believing dinosaurs were buried by the devil to test our faith.

[biggilo]

I thought you were talking about Michael Palin and I was worried he had banged his head or something..
For the record, evolution is NOT a theory, it is a proven fact.

[crockett]

The Religious Reich is bound and determined to send us back to the stone ages. They will vote for McCain just because of this dumb bitch and her stupid ass religious crap.