Should we Pay to Rebuild New Orleans Again?

[GetSCORECash]

While I hope that Gustav, goes to Texas, as far away from Florida as possible. If it did hit New Orleans again. Should we, the American Tax Payer, pay again to have this city which is under see level, to be rebuilt again?

I say No!

[sortie]

Originally Posted by SCORE-Cash

While I hope that Gustav, goes to Texas, as far away from Florida as possible. If it did hit New Orleans again. Should we, the American Tax Payer, pay again to have this city which is under see level, to be rebuilt again?

I say No!

Great Idea!

Let the place rot to the point where the Russian's have to bring in aid and give people
guns to get fucking revenge on the assholes who thought they were not americans or
even human.

Stay the fuck out of politics.

[Axzar]

Only the areas above sea level.

[Shamus McFamous]

Originally Posted by SCORE-Cash

While I hope that Gustav, goes to Texas, as far away from Florida as possible. If it did hit New Orleans again. Should we, the American Tax Payer, pay again to have this city which is under see level, to be rebuilt again?

I say No!

Gustav is not a concern of yours. Make threads about Hannah. She's going to hit you dead on.

[Babaganoosh]

Fuck no. It shouldn't have been rebuilt last time. New Orleans is a costal city that is below sea level. Yeah...I see no problems with that. Nothing bad could possibly happen there.

[marketsmart]

now that all the poor people were forced to relocate or were given poisonous trailers to live in..

i say yes, lets rebuild NO again and make it even nicer for the rich...

of course the poor can still come into the city, to wash dishes, mow lawns, etc...

[DaddyHalbucks]

I agree with you.

No more taxpayer money to rebuild underwater cities!!

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by SCORE-Cash

While I hope that Gustav, goes to Texas, as far away from Florida as possible. If it did hit New Orleans again. Should we, the American Tax Payer, pay again to have this city which is under see level, to be rebuilt again?

I say No!

Well considering you don't know the difference between "see" and "sea", I don't think your vote should count.

Should the taxpayer ever have to pay to rebuild Miami, which is surrounded on 3 sides by water and filled with illegal Cuban immigrants?

[Snake Doctor]

We should stop giving federal aid to California too....with all the mudslides, wildfires, and earthquakes.

We should just abandon the place and move all of those people to the desert directly east because it's safer.


New Orleans isn't important either. Things like ports and oil refineries and oil rigs aren't important to our national economy. We should just shut the whole place down and let gas go up to $5/gallon.

[Shamus McFamous]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

We should stop giving federal aid to California too....with all the mudslides, wildfires, and earthquakes.

We should just abandon the place and move all of those people to the desert directly east because it's safer.


New Orleans isn't important either. Things like ports and oil refineries and oil rigs aren't important to our national economy. We should just shut the whole place down and let gas go up to $5/gallon.

Relax, no one here wants any trouble.

[sortie]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

I agree with you.

No more taxpayer money to rebuild underwater cities!!

Yeah, and no more money to rebuild New York.
It'll just get hit by terrorist again right?

And BTW, all the insurance that people pay for was in place so your tax money
actually went to bail out rich insurance companies so that they could
resale their worthless policies again.

[Babaganoosh]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

Well considering you don't know the difference between "see" and "sea", I don't think your vote should count.

Should the taxpayer ever have to pay to rebuild Miami, which is surrounded on 3 sides by water and filled with illegal Cuban immigrants?

At least Miami is above sea level. There just needs to be new legislation that would allow state and local government to build emergency levies using Cubans. Problem solved.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by Shamus McFamous

Relax, no one here wants any trouble.

Ummm shut up noob.

You have no idea who anyone here is, much less who wants trouble. So Go Fuck Yourself.

[amacontent]

While we are at it , lets tell the peeps in Tornado alley to GO FUCK YOURSELVES

What a schmuck.

[Shamus McFamous]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

Ummm shut up noob.

You have no idea who anyone here is, much less who wants trouble. So Go Fuck Yourself.

Relax Lenny you know me and I'm just being a goof

[Sly]

New Orleans is pretty much the gateway to the Midwest... anybody ever hear of the Mississippi River?

Will I feel sympathetic if people stay behind again and get killed? Probably not. Should we rebuild? Absolutely. But this time, let's do it right...

[Babaganoosh]

Originally Posted by amacontent

While we are at it , lets tell the peeps in Tornado alley to GO FUCK YOURSELVES

What a schmuck.

The people in tornado alley don't need an elaborate network of levies and pumps that run constantly to keep the water from reclaiming their city. If a tornado hits, it's a small area. A large city has never been demolished by a tornado in the same way that the post-Katrina flood destroyed New Orleans.

Yes, a tornado will clear a path through the middle of a large city or completely destroy a small one (Greensburg, KS). It's not like people have to constantly fight off tornadoes. They happen. There's nothing we can do about it. Turn off the pumps and remove the levies and see what happens to New Orleans. This isn't rocket science.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by Sly

New Orleans is pretty much the gateway to the Midwest... anybody ever hear of the Mississippi River?

Will I feel sympathetic if people stay behind again and get killed? Probably not. Should we rebuild? Absolutely. But this time, let's do it right...

This I agree with. Especially since this time around my state has a governor with a brain....and they have buses waiting to take people out of the city who can't evacuate on their own.
There's no excuse this time for anyone to stay behind.

Last time things were a clusterfuck and poor people did fall through the cracks.
Not this time though.

As for rebuilding...I can't understand why they refuse to just build a levy system like the one they have in the Netherlands and just be done with it. They've wasted so many billions over the decades building a system designed for a category 3 storm....it's ridiculous.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

This I agree with. Especially since this time around my state has a governor with a brain....and they have buses waiting to take people out of the city who can't evacuate on their own.
There's no excuse this time for anyone to stay behind.

Last time things were a clusterfuck and poor people did fall through the cracks.
Not this time though.

As for rebuilding...I can't understand why they refuse to just build a levy system like the one they have in the Netherlands and just be done with it. They've wasted so many billions over the decades building a system designed for a category 3 storm....it's ridiculous.

Bureaucracy should be redefined as the science of wasting money.

[DBS.US]

Under sea level = No

[klaze]

Yes, obviously, re-build and do what needs to be done to stop the flooding.

Hire god damn German engineers! If they can make the VW Golf they can do anything!

[geedub]

Originally Posted by Sly

Bureaucracy should be redefined as the science of wasting money.

i peed a little bit LoLzzzzzz

[spacedog]

Fuck everybody. I think all 50 states should secede and become independant states like the former USSR did.

[GetSCORECash]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

As for rebuilding...I can't understand why they refuse to just build a levy system like the one they have in the Netherlands and just be done with it. They've wasted so many billions over the decades building a system designed for a category 3 storm....it's ridiculous.

That's the thing, they keep wasting billions, and after three years they are sill not sure, if the levees will hold.

Have they even improved the building codes? Can you still build a wooden frame home?

After Katrina, teams of planners recommended that broad swaths of vulnerable neighborhoods be abandoned. Yet all areas of the city have at least some residents beginning to rebuild. With billions of dollars in federal relief for homeowners trickling in, more people are expected to follow.

Moreover, while new federal guidelines call for raising houses to reduce the damage of future floods, most returning homeowners do not have to comply or are finding ways around the costly requirement, according to city officials.

"It's terrifying: We're doing the same things we have in the past but expecting different results," said Robert G. Bea, a professor of civil engineering at the University of California at Berkeley and a former New Orleans resident who served as a member of the National Science Foundation panel that studied the city's levees.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...010301593.html

[sortie]

Originally Posted by spacedog

Fuck everybody. I think all 50 states should secede and become independant states like the former USSR did.

Poor Rhode Island. They would be stomped on in no time.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by SCORE-Cash

That's the thing, they keep wasting billions, and after three years they are sill not sure, if the levees will hold.

Have they even improved the building codes? Can you still build a wooden frame home?




http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...010301593.html

You're suggesting we abandon an entire U.S. city because of a few fucked up things that go on. I'm sure I could find plenty of fucked up things in Miami (and most other major cities) that are a waste of taxpayer money too.

There's a reason someone coined the phrase "don't throw out the baby with the bath water"....it's because people like you were throwing babies away.

[GetSCORECash]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

I'm sure I could find plenty of fucked up things in Miami (and most other major cities) that are a waste of taxpayer money too.

Andrew destroyed Homestead/Perrine. All new homes were re-built with tougher construction laws.

[EmpireAutopilot]

Originally Posted by spacedog

Fuck everybody. I think all 50 states should secede and become independant states like the former USSR did.

Great, Louisiana can then start charging for the oil that is pumped out of their waters and charge even more for everyone to access the port. Instant wealth for that area.

[spacedog]

Originally Posted by EmpireAutopilot

Great, Louisiana can then start charging for the oil that is pumped out of their waters and charge even more for everyone to access the port. Instant wealth for that area.

That's ok.. Most states don't get their oil from the US anyway

[Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Not sure why people want to live below sea level...

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by SCORE-Cash

Andrew destroyed Homestead/Perrine. All new homes were re-built with tougher construction laws.

The construction laws are only going to help with wind damage.....the problem here last time wasn't the wind, it was that the levies broke. The levies that were built by the federal government, NOT BY THE STATE OR CITY GOVERNMENT HERE.
Unless the construction laws dictate that houses have to be built out of 100% waterproof material, it's not going to help.

I grew up in Florida, I remember hurricane David for crying out loud, so don't tell me how great things are there and shit....if I dig through the archives of the Miami Herald and the Orlando Sentinel I'm sure I can find billions and billions of dollars of wasted taxpayer money. You can find it anywhere.

I now live 60 miles north of New Orleans, and you're in here asking whether or not we should abandon an entire U.S. city because you don't like the way the federal dollars were spent on rebuilding. (FWIW, most of that money that you "think" was spent here hasn't been spent....the "rebuilding" has been painfully slow and most of the federal dollars are still just sitting there, so even if the whole city gets obliterated this time around, very little of your tax money went towards anything that will get obliterated)


The next time there's a hurricane in your area, and FEMA is bringing in bottled water and ice and medical supplies to your neighborhood, should I complain about the money being spent there because you're the one who decided to live so close to the ocean so you should have to fend for yourself?

Gimme a fucking break man.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by Jon Clark

Not sure why people want to live below sea level...

Why do people want to live along an 800 mile geologic transform fault, or in tornado country, or in places where there are blizzards and they can be snowed in and have to be evacuated, or anywhere on the eastern seaboard where there can be a hurricane or tropical storm?

Why do people as stupid as you want to live at all?

[EmpireAutopilot]

Snake Doctor,

You left out the fact that most of the contractors that were working under the feds got screwed out of their money. They'll be damn lucky if they can even find another crew to attempt to help them this time.

When the federal government owes you $100,000,000 and the President is George W Bush, well good luck. lol

[EmpireAutopilot]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

Why do people want to live along an 800 mile geologic transform fault, or in tornado country, or in places where there are blizzards and they can be snowed in and have to be evacuated, or anywhere on the eastern seaboard where there can be a hurricane or tropical storm?

Why do people as stupid as you want to live at all?

Why do people want to live in the USA where the terrists' might attack them!

[DateDoc]

The levees will not hold. If Gustav is a cat 4+ NOLA is gone.

[spacedog]

[amacontent]

Originally Posted by EmpireAutopilot

Why do people want to live in the USA where the terrists' might attack them!

Can you get banned for being a complete IDIOT. i hope so. This was probably the dumbest post in history.

[fatfoo]

that sucks.........

[sumphatpimp]

Originally Posted by SCORE-Cash

which is under see level,

you are related to George Bush aren't you?

[sumphatpimp]

Originally Posted by EmpireAutopilot

Why do people want to live in the USA where the terrists' might attack them!

Another Engrish professor

[DWB]

While I am sympathetic to those who lived there and lost everything or their loved ones, I have to ask, WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU EXPECT LIVING BELOW SEA LEVEL with nothing protecting you but an old man made wall???

RULE #1: Nature always wins.

I say... if anyone was dumb enough to go back to live in that same area, this time I don't feel sorry for them.

RULE #2: Measure twice, cut once.

If the government and state is going to spend the money, they had better build that place up so it's above sea level. This is the second time (maybe), so if they need to rebuild they need to flatten the entire city, build it up and start new. Otherwise, history WILL repeat itself. It's not like that was a fluke hurricane that hit them. We have hurricane season every year. It's gonna happen again.

And sure, let tax dollars pay for them to raise the city. NOT to rebuild the city again below sea level. Though tax dollars don't really pay for that anyway, as they only pay the interest on the debt that the country owes, so in theory that means that the USA just has to borrow more money from China. I see no problem with that. We're already paying on the interest anyway, why stop now?

God speed to any of you in New Orleans.

[sortie]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

While I am sympathetic to those who lived there and lost everything or their loved ones, I have to ask, WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU EXPECT LIVING BELOW SEA LEVEL with nothing protecting you but an old man made wall???

RULE #1: Nature always wins.

I say... if anyone was dumb enough to go back to live in that same area, this time I don't feel sorry for them.

RULE #2: Measure twice, cut once.

If the government and state is going to spend the money, they had better build that place up so it's above sea level. This is the second time (maybe), so if they need to rebuild they need to flatten the entire city, build it up and start new. Otherwise, history WILL repeat itself. It's not like that was a fluke hurricane that hit them. We have hurricane season every year. It's gonna happen again.

And sure, let tax dollars pay for them to raise the city. NOT to rebuild the city again below sea level. Though tax dollars don't really pay for that anyway, as they only pay the interest on the debt that the country owes, so in theory that means that the USA just has to borrow more money from China. I see no problem with that. We're already paying on the interest anyway, why stop now?

God speed to any of you in New Orleans.

There's only one problem with all that.

Land to live on is in short supply. There will always be people in that area wether it's
rebuilt or not. It can be full of squaters, escaped criminals, illegal immigrants all living
in shanty huts as the place becomes completely lawless or it can be rebuilt and managed.


It's like this for some people :

A. live in that crappy house over there and there MIGHT be a disaster

or

B. Keep living in the street without a house and take your chances being murdered in your sleep.

There are way more murders than floods so I would take my chances with the flood.

[C_U_Next_Tuesday]

Originally Posted by SCORE-Cash

While I hope that Gustav, goes to Texas, as far away from Florida as possible. If it did hit New Orleans again. Should we, the American Tax Payer, pay again to have this city which is under see level, to be rebuilt again?

I say No!

wow..arent You the self righteous cunt. You talk of lives and people as if they were just figurines on your TV set.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

Fuck no. It shouldn't have been rebuilt last time. New Orleans is a costal city that is below sea level. Yeah...I see no problems with that. Nothing bad could possibly happen there.

Agreed. 100%.


New Orleans 'reconstruction' was the biggest land grab next to the Louisiana Purchase.

[DateDoc]

Looks like NOLA is going to get the NE quadrant of Gustav and that is the worst part to get. Totally fucked. Buoys the NE quadrant has passed over have recorded 34' waves.

[seeandsee]

that city should be ruined

[webboy21]

Originally Posted by klaze

Yes, obviously, re-build and do what needs to be done to stop the flooding.

Hire god damn German engineers! If they can make the VW Golf they can do anything!

I think you are better off hiring Dutch engineers....we all live below sealevel here ;)

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

You're suggesting we abandon an entire U.S. city because of a few fucked up things that go on. I'm sure I could find plenty of fucked up things in Miami (and most other major cities) that are a waste of taxpayer money too.

There's a reason someone coined the phrase "don't throw out the baby with the bath water"....it's because people like you were throwing babies away.

I don't think anyone believes we should just abandon it. But there are people who choose to live in safer areas that would prefer not to rebuild a city every few years. No one has to abandon it, just let them start footing the bill for it.

[pornguy]

As long as we are foolish enough to rebuild and insure the people that continue to build the homes and business along the misissippi river valley that gets flooded out year after year, then yeah I think we can rebuild N.O. every 3 or 4

[DWB]

Originally Posted by sortie

There's only one problem with all that.

Land to live on is in short supply. There will always be people in that area wether it's
rebuilt or not. It can be full of squaters, escaped criminals, illegal immigrants all living
in shanty huts as the place becomes completely lawless or it can be rebuilt and managed.


It's like this for some people :

A. live in that crappy house over there and there MIGHT be a disaster

or

B. Keep living in the street without a house and take your chances being murdered in your sleep.

There are way more murders than floods so I would take my chances with the flood.

I'll agree with you on this one.

But for damn sure, I know I wouldn't live under sea level and right on the water. That is sooooo asking for it.