HOSTING Guys - at what point would you switch from VPS to DEDICATED hosting? - GoFuckYourself.com

CunningStunt · 09-04-2008, 06:47 PM

I have a site that is starting to struggle - it has over 1000 people on at any one point in time, not massive I know, but at the rapid rate it is expanding, it is just a matter of time before I need a dedicated box, and mirrored servers. The VPS isn't up to it.

The VPS I'm on now has this spec:

Quad-Core Xeon
1280MB DDR2 ECC 667 RAM
40GB on SAS/SCSI
10Mbps Unmetered BW

I need something failsafe as advertisers are on there, so a mirrored setup is preferable.

I'm all ears.

IllTestYourGirls · 09-04-2008, 06:51 PM

If you can afford it I would upgrade. but thats just my two cents.

HomerSimpson · 09-04-2008, 07:04 PM

if it works - don't touch it!

BigBen · 09-04-2008, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by CunningStunt

I have a site that is starting to struggle ... The VPS isn't up to it.

I'd say that's probably the right time. But then again, it could be the software or just need some performance tweaks.

CunningStunt · 09-04-2008, 07:18 PM

Yeah, my server guy is having a tweak to see if he can do anything.

Even if it's tweakable, if it goes down that's a major no no. I need mirroring I'm pretty certain of that.

ExLust · 09-04-2008, 07:55 PM

If having a dedicated can rescue your website. Go for it.

Sly · 09-04-2008, 07:58 PM

Is it important?

Go ded.

directfiesta · 09-04-2008, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CunningStunt

Yeah, my server guy is having a tweak to see if he can do anything.

Even if it's tweakable, if it goes down that's a major no no. I need mirroring I'm pretty certain of that.

You said twice " you need mirroring " ....

What are you referring to ? Raid, round robin, ????

See if your tech can tweak the httpd file ( max clients, max servers, keep alive, etc ... ). You can double the performance by a proper setup, mainly if you use a db based site.

Otherwise upgrade to dedicated, but make sure that it has more ressources that you actually have allocated now

Iron Fist · 09-04-2008, 08:33 PM

Good luck

CunningStunt · 09-04-2008, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

You said twice " you need mirroring " ....

What are you referring to ? Raid, round robin, ????

See if your tech can tweak the httpd file ( max clients, max servers, keep alive, etc ... ). You can double the performance by a proper setup, mainly if you use a db based site.

Otherwise upgrade to dedicated, but make sure that it has more ressources that you actually have allocated now

Thanks directfiesta. Nice monkey, I've seen them in Japan near Nagano.

Sorry if I wasn't clear, I mean load balancing, so the site never goes down.

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Load balancing was developed to address the problem of overloaded servers. A Server Load Balancer is placed between the client and a group of servers and configured so that, although multiple servers may be on one side of the SLB, they appear to be one very large and powerful server that never goes down.

sandman! · 09-04-2008, 09:50 PM

vps's are just a poor man's dedicated i never got the point of them.

CunningStunt · 09-04-2008, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sandman!

vps's are just a poor man's dedicated i never got the point of them.

lol. the point is they are a good solution for those with a medium size site. I didn't expect the site to require anything more so soon. now it's critical.

baddog · 09-05-2008, 12:19 AM

It sounds like you should have been on a dedicated a while ago.

CunningStunt · 09-05-2008, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

It sounds like you should have been on a dedicated a while ago.

You're a hosting expert no? Is 1000-1500 visitors on at once throughout the day really too much to expect a VPS to cope with?

It's doing ok, but I think it will fall on its ass with treble the traffic.

The biggest problem is probably the asp.net and database requirements.

Klen · 09-05-2008, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by CunningStunt

You're a hosting expert no? Is 1000-1500 visitors on at once throughout the day really too much to expect a VPS to cope with?

It's doing ok, but I think it will fall on its ass with treble the traffic.

The biggest problem is probably the asp.net and database requirements.

Well honestly if there is no need to bigger bandwith then there is no need for dedicated server unless server is overloaded by other users.You should check cpu usage and load of server,so if its good then there is no need to upgrade to dedicated.

HollywoodChris · 09-05-2008, 01:59 AM

I have a couple of solutions for you if you want to hit me up.

-Chris

CunningStunt · 09-05-2008, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

Well honestly if there is no need to bigger bandwith then there is no need for dedicated server unless server is overloaded by other users.You should check cpu usage and load of server,so if its good then there is no need to upgrade to dedicated.

From my tech guy: "seems like the cpu is purring along, ~20%, but physical ram is down to 40mb".

09-05-2008, 04:53 AM

how much are you paying now and what's your bandwidth usage?

CunningStunt · 09-05-2008, 05:28 AM

Only $90 per month. That's the wrong package quoted above, that's another account I have. we only actually have 512mb ram which is probably the sticking point.

using just over 4gb bandwidth per week at the moment.

HorseShit · 09-05-2008, 06:11 AM

I wouldn't bother upgrading yet, curious what company is it with?

CunningStunt · 09-05-2008, 02:50 PM

Rackforce. Good guys.

baddog · 09-05-2008, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CunningStunt

You're a hosting expert no? Is 1000-1500 visitors on at once throughout the day really too much to expect a VPS to cope with?

It's doing ok, but I think it will fall on its ass with treble the traffic.

The biggest problem is probably the asp.net and database requirements.

We offered VPS for a while. We thought it was a something that would be a great addition, but it wasn't accepted as well as we thought it would be.

Sandman suggested it was the poor mans dedicated. We did not really see it that way. More of a powerful virtual plan.

My experience (as limited as it was) was that a VPS sometimes had more limitations than a virtual because the resources, while your own, were set in stone (ie: inodes).

Granted, resources can be adjusted up on a VPS, but I think that is more like the upsell to a VPS plan. Kind of like a hosting company that gets you in with cheap rates only to kill you on the bandwidth overages.

That being said, I can see how 1000 - 1500 visitors at one time is probably going to be too much for your standard VPS plan, which is why I suggested you were ready for a dedicated.

cgu · 09-05-2008, 03:05 PM

You just need to get with a good hosting company that can fix your problem, but forget about success on a VPS. If any person on there does something dumb you're paying for it, too. Mojohost.com has always been good to me.

CunningStunt · 09-05-2008, 06:06 PM

Thanks for the input everyone. We're going to go dedicated and get a load more ram for good measure.

baddog · 09-05-2008, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CunningStunt

Thanks for the input everyone. We're going to go dedicated and get a load more ram for good measure.

Depending on your site, a better processor might be more valuable [unless you are sticking with the quad].

SpeakEasy · 09-05-2008, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sandman!

vps's are just a poor man's dedicated i never got the point of them.

Actually VPS is just a made up bunch of horse shit. It's a virtual plain and simple. Virtual, shared, vps or whatever you want to call them are all the same. It's either dedicated or it's not.

fatfoo · 09-05-2008, 06:41 PM

buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuump

bbm · 09-05-2008, 07:24 PM

Dedicated is better

baddog · 09-05-2008, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeakEasy

Actually VPS is just a made up bunch of horse shit. It's a virtual plain and simple. Virtual, shared, vps or whatever you want to call them are all the same. It's either dedicated or it's not.

Way to show you don't know the difference.

directfiesta · 09-05-2008, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Way to show you don't know the difference.

I thought the same.

After all, the VPS ressources are fully dedicated to the user , without influence by the other vps on the box.

Or is this wrong ( I do not offer nor plan to offer that ).

baddog · 09-05-2008, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

I thought the same.

After all, the VPS ressources are fully dedicated to the user , without influence by the other vps on the box.

Or is this wrong ( I do not offer nor plan to offer that ).

VPS is like taking the hdd from your pc and partitioning it out, so each user gets their own partition, whereas virtual . . . well, you know.

TidalWave · 09-05-2008, 10:43 PM

Since you have a tech already, getting a dedicated is not far off from your VPS pricing. You can actually get a dedicated server that will be more powerful than your VPS for the same price, or just a small bit more ($20-$50~)... it'll be unmanaged, but it sounds like you have a tech. Get cPanel+tech and you are good to go for about $120/month total with a new dual core server.

09-06-2008, 12:06 AM

I just got a promo from theplanet.com

https://www.theplanet.com/servers/co...es=17&pc=dx24s

Dual Xeon 2.4
1 GB Ram
2x 73 GB SCI discs
1500 GB data transfer per month

For 115$ (cpanel +25$ /month)

I'm pretty happy with them for over 4 years now

just my 2 cents

TidalWave · 09-06-2008, 12:20 AM

Thats a good deal, but pretty old CPU's. The newer dual core CPU's out perform the older Xeons.

An example (yes, shameless) is one of our dual cores:

Intel E2180 Dual Core
1GB DDR2-667 RAM
250GB SATA-2 16MEG CACHE
1U Supermicro Server
$89/month + $28/month for cPanel

This dual core would have more horsepower than that older Xeon, unless for some reason you had a script that was very heavy on disk access.

or if you want to get right near that same price level, you can get something that is incredibly more powerful:

Intel C2Q Q9300 Quadcore, 1333Mhz FSB, 45nm
2GB DDR2-667 RAM
250GB SATA-2 16MEG CACHE
1U Supermicro Server
$129/month

^^ That is an amazing price though, and not even a special

09-06-2008, 01:34 AM

great deals TidalWave. How much bandiwdth comes with that?

TidalWave · 09-06-2008, 07:02 AM

Hey Gasper,
Heres the feature list on both of those:

2000GB Monthly Transfer
100Mbps PUBLIC Network Port
10Mbps PRIVATE Network Port
Private VLAN
/29 IP Allocation
Remote Reboot Port

CunningStunt · 09-06-2008, 02:07 PM

Tidalwave, I need it to handle asp.net - are there winblows servers with that spec?

09-04-2008, 06:47 PM	#1
CunningStunt Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,594	HOSTING Guys - at what point would you switch from VPS to DEDICATED hosting? I have a site that is starting to struggle - it has over 1000 people on at any one point in time, not massive I know, but at the rapid rate it is expanding, it is just a matter of time before I need a dedicated box, and mirrored servers. The VPS isn't up to it. The VPS I'm on now has this spec: Quad-Core Xeon 1280MB DDR2 ECC 667 RAM 40GB on SAS/SCSI 10Mbps Unmetered BW I need something failsafe as advertisers are on there, so a mirrored setup is preferable. I'm all ears.

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CunningStunt Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,594	Yeah, my server guy is having a tweak to see if he can do anything. Even if it's tweakable, if it goes down that's a major no no. I need mirroring I'm pretty certain of that.

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baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	It sounds like you should have been on a dedicated a while ago.

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09-05-2008, 04:53 AM	#18
Gasper Guest Posts: n/a	how much are you paying now and what's your bandwidth usage?

09-05-2008, 05:28 AM	#19
CunningStunt Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,594	Only $90 per month. That's the wrong package quoted above, that's another account I have. we only actually have 512mb ram which is probably the sticking point. using just over 4gb bandwidth per week at the moment.

09-05-2008, 06:11 AM	#20
HorseShit Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 17,513	I wouldn't bother upgrading yet, curious what company is it with?

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CunningStunt Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,594	Rackforce. Good guys.

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09-05-2008, 06:06 PM	#24
CunningStunt Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,594	Thanks for the input everyone. We're going to go dedicated and get a load more ram for good measure.

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bbm So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 3,710	Dedicated is better

09-05-2008, 10:43 PM	#32
TidalWave Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,706	Since you have a tech already, getting a dedicated is not far off from your VPS pricing. You can actually get a dedicated server that will be more powerful than your VPS for the same price, or just a small bit more ($20-$50~)... it'll be unmanaged, but it sounds like you have a tech. Get cPanel+tech and you are good to go for about $120/month total with a new dual core server. __________________ www.SwiftNode.com

09-06-2008, 12:06 AM	#33
Gasper Guest Posts: n/a	I just got a promo from theplanet.com https://www.theplanet.com/servers/co...es=17&pc=dx24s Dual Xeon 2.4 1 GB Ram 2x 73 GB SCI discs 1500 GB data transfer per month For 115$ (cpanel +25$ /month) I'm pretty happy with them for over 4 years now just my 2 cents

09-06-2008, 12:20 AM	#34
TidalWave Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,706	Thats a good deal, but pretty old CPU's. The newer dual core CPU's out perform the older Xeons. An example (yes, shameless) is one of our dual cores: Intel E2180 Dual Core 1GB DDR2-667 RAM 250GB SATA-2 16MEG CACHE 1U Supermicro Server $89/month + $28/month for cPanel This dual core would have more horsepower than that older Xeon, unless for some reason you had a script that was very heavy on disk access. or if you want to get right near that same price level, you can get something that is incredibly more powerful: Intel C2Q Q9300 Quadcore, 1333Mhz FSB, 45nm 2GB DDR2-667 RAM 250GB SATA-2 16MEG CACHE 1U Supermicro Server $129/month ^^ That is an amazing price though, and not even a special __________________ www.SwiftNode.com Last edited by TidalWave; 09-06-2008 at 12:21 AM..

09-06-2008, 01:34 AM	#35
Gasper Guest Posts: n/a	great deals TidalWave. How much bandiwdth comes with that?

09-06-2008, 07:02 AM	#36
TidalWave Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,706	Hey Gasper, Heres the feature list on both of those: 2000GB Monthly Transfer 100Mbps PUBLIC Network Port 10Mbps PRIVATE Network Port Private VLAN /29 IP Allocation Remote Reboot Port __________________ www.SwiftNode.com

09-06-2008, 02:07 PM	#37
CunningStunt Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,594	Tidalwave, I need it to handle asp.net - are there winblows servers with that spec?