Anyone interested in FACTS about Sarah Palin??

[sperbonzo]

I just thought that it would be refreshing for a change....

http://www.newsweek.com/id/157986

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...ing_palin.html

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...palin-m-2.html

[notoldschool]

no thanks.

[notoldschool]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=6VtF7Ypr1hY

[Drake]

In other news, Rev. Wright has been busted for having an affair with a white woman. lol
http://lonestartimes.com/2008/09/09/...ne-of-passion/

[stickyfingerz]

I think the dems should just wrap the election with a bow, and hand it to the republicans.

[Brujah]

FactCheck already had some Palin facts in other articles too. Hope you read those, and not just the one you want to believe.

Convention Spin II
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_part_ii.html

Maverick Misleads
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2..._misleads.html

[theharvman]

fuck sarah palin & her slut daughter.

[headless ghost]

both sides suck this election. really doesn't make a shit who wins, it still sucks.

[spunkmaster]

FactChecking Obama

He stuck to the facts, except when he stretched them.

Summary

We checked the accuracy of Obama's speech accepting the Democratic nomination, and noted the following:

Obama said he could “pay for every dime” of his spending and tax cut proposals “by closing corporate loopholes and tax havens.” That’s wrong – his proposed tax increases on upper-income individuals are key components of paying for his program, as well. And his plan, like McCain’s, would leave the U.S. facing big budget deficits, according to independent experts.

He twisted McCain’s words about Afghanistan, saying, “When John McCain said we could just 'muddle through' in Afghanistan, I argued for more resources.” Actually, McCain said in 2003 we “may” muddle through, and he recently also called for more troops there.


He said McCain would fail to lower taxes for 100 million Americans while his own plan would cut taxes for 95 percent of “working” families. But an independent analysis puts the number who would see no benefit from McCain’s plan at 66 million and finds that Obama’s plan would benefit 81 percent of all households when retirees and those without children are figured in.

Obama asked why McCain would "define middle-class as someone making under five million dollars a year"? Actually, McCain meant that comment as a joke, getting a laugh and following up by saying, "But seriously ..."

Obama noted that McCain’s health care plan would "tax people’s benefits" but didn’t say that it also would provide up to a $5,000 tax credit for families.


He said McCain, far from being a maverick who’s "broken with his party," has voted to support Bush policies 90 percent of the time. True enough, but by the same measure Obama has voted with fellow Democrats in the Senate 97 percent of the time.


Obama said "average family income" went down $2,000 under Bush, which isn't correct. An aide said he was really talking only about "working" families and not retired couples. And – math teachers, please note – he meant median (or midpoint) and not really the mean or average. Median family income actually has inched up slightly under Bush.

Analysis
Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama accepted his party's nomination Aug. 28, speaking before more than 84,000 people in Denver's Mile High football stadium. Some of his comments were worthy of a ref's yellow flag.


Not Quite Every Dime


Obama reassured voters that he can pay for all his spending proposals:

Obama: Now, many of these plans will cost money, which is why I’ve laid out how I’ll pay for every dime – by closing corporate loopholes and tax havens that don’t help America grow.

This is misleading. Even by his own campaign’s estimates, closing corporate loopholes and tax havens won’t pay for all of Obama’s new plans. In July, the campaign told the Los Angeles Times that they estimate the yearly cost of their proposed tax cuts at $130 billion. They put revenue from closing tax loopholes at just $80 billion. Obama also proposes to raise taxes to pre-Bush levels for families earning more than $250,000 a year and singles making more than $200,000, yielding additional revenue. But he didn't mention that in his speech.

But Obama’s claim is misleading on another level. According to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, "without substantial cuts in government spending" Obama’s plan – and McCain's, too – "would substantially increase the national debt over the next ten years." Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor told FactCheck.org that the Tax Policy Center's analysis "fails to take in account Senator Obama's spending cuts, including ending the Iraq war." That's true, but Obama's proposed cuts are dwarfed by the Tax Policy Center's projected deficits. Obama’s new spending programs might be completely offset by new revenue and spending cuts. But overall spending will still exceed overall revenue, and the nation would face at least 10 more years of annual deficits.

[tony286]

palin grabbed as much pork as she take as mayor which is very rare and then as governor. Thats not change we can believe in. Also Sperbozo they come down on porn hard what are you going to do for a living? I know you are on the outside no one is going to be throwing you in jail but you sell to this industry.

[sweetredhead]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I just thought that it would be refreshing for a change....

http://www.newsweek.com/id/157986

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...ing_palin.html

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...palin-m-2.html

Great articles the media just loves bashing peeps without the real facts

[Drake]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

I think the dems should just wrap the election with a bow, and hand it to the republicans.

Way too premature for that.

[sweetredhead]

Originally Posted by spunkmaster

FactChecking Obama

He stuck to the facts, except when he stretched them.

Summary

We checked the accuracy of Obama's speech accepting the Democratic nomination, and noted the following:

Obama said he could ?pay for every dime? of his spending and tax cut proposals ?by closing corporate loopholes and tax havens.? That?s wrong ? his proposed tax increases on upper-income individuals are key components of paying for his program, as well. And his plan, like McCain?s, would leave the U.S. facing big budget deficits, according to independent experts.

He twisted McCain?s words about Afghanistan, saying, ?When John McCain said we could just 'muddle through' in Afghanistan, I argued for more resources.? Actually, McCain said in 2003 we ?may? muddle through, and he recently also called for more troops there.


He said McCain would fail to lower taxes for 100 million Americans while his own plan would cut taxes for 95 percent of ?working? families. But an independent analysis puts the number who would see no benefit from McCain?s plan at 66 million and finds that Obama?s plan would benefit 81 percent of all households when retirees and those without children are figured in.

Obama asked why McCain would "define middle-class as someone making under five million dollars a year"? Actually, McCain meant that comment as a joke, getting a laugh and following up by saying, "But seriously ..."

Obama noted that McCain?s health care plan would "tax people?s benefits" but didn?t say that it also would provide up to a $5,000 tax credit for families.


He said McCain, far from being a maverick who?s "broken with his party," has voted to support Bush policies 90 percent of the time. True enough, but by the same measure Obama has voted with fellow Democrats in the Senate 97 percent of the time.


Obama said "average family income" went down $2,000 under Bush, which isn't correct. An aide said he was really talking only about "working" families and not retired couples. And ? math teachers, please note ? he meant median (or midpoint) and not really the mean or average. Median family income actually has inched up slightly under Bush.

Analysis
Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama accepted his party's nomination Aug. 28, speaking before more than 84,000 people in Denver's Mile High football stadium. Some of his comments were worthy of a ref's yellow flag.


Not Quite Every Dime


Obama reassured voters that he can pay for all his spending proposals:

Obama: Now, many of these plans will cost money, which is why I?ve laid out how I?ll pay for every dime ? by closing corporate loopholes and tax havens that don?t help America grow.

This is misleading. Even by his own campaign?s estimates, closing corporate loopholes and tax havens won?t pay for all of Obama?s new plans. In July, the campaign told the Los Angeles Times that they estimate the yearly cost of their proposed tax cuts at $130 billion. They put revenue from closing tax loopholes at just $80 billion. Obama also proposes to raise taxes to pre-Bush levels for families earning more than $250,000 a year and singles making more than $200,000, yielding additional revenue. But he didn't mention that in his speech.

But Obama?s claim is misleading on another level. According to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, "without substantial cuts in government spending" Obama?s plan ? and McCain's, too ? "would substantially increase the national debt over the next ten years." Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor told FactCheck.org that the Tax Policy Center's analysis "fails to take in account Senator Obama's spending cuts, including ending the Iraq war." That's true, but Obama's proposed cuts are dwarfed by the Tax Policy Center's projected deficits. Obama?s new spending programs might be completely offset by new revenue and spending cuts. But overall spending will still exceed overall revenue, and the nation would face at least 10 more years of annual deficits.

way to go wow great research

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Brujah

FactCheck already had some Palin facts in other articles too. Hope you read those, and not just the one you want to believe.

Convention Spin II
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_part_ii.html

Maverick Misleads
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2..._misleads.html

I love fact check, my father would send me the obama bashing ones. Now I read it all the time sunday I was beating him over the head with it. lol

[Brujah]

Originally Posted by tony404

I love fact check, my father would send me the obama bashing ones. Now I read it all the time sunday I was beating him over the head with it. lol

As evidenced by Sperbozo and crew, they only want to pick and choose which Facts they will believe. Notice they always, always overlook the rest of FactCheck.org?

They must wander through life with blinders on.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by sweetredhead

Great articles the media just loves bashing peeps without the real facts

It's dispelled some myths, but questions linger.

She wasn't part of seccessionist group Alaskan Independence Party, but her husband was.

She didn't push for Creationism as Governor but believes both should be taught. There is no debate about Creationism vs Evolution in science. The former isn't a science.

She didn't have books banned but did fire the librarian for not supporting her, then re-hired her a day later. The librarian later resigned.

The Anne Kilkenny email is authentic and the assertions in it are being analyzed.

Not that any of this necessarily matters. Clearly audiences are infatuated with her and she's sucessfully pulling women over to support McCain.

[directfiesta]

TIME said on Tuesday, "Palin has continued to repeat the already exposed lie that she said, "No, thanks," to the famous "bridge to nowhere" (McCain's favorite example of wasteful federal spending). In fact, she said, "Yes, please," until this project became a symbol and political albatross."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1220...googlenews_wsj

Wall Street Journal ....

[Cherry7]

What a joke...one of the most advanced societies in the world is going to elect a leader who thinks (knows !) the world is 6000 years old and was made by a man with a beard in heaven...

Who is going to tell us what we can or cannot do in our bedrooms but keeps her own child in ignorance so that she gets pregnant...

Who believes that a book written 300 years after the events described is the word of God...

That people on this of all websites support such a stupid bigoted nutter ......

Maybe they want to find Jesus too ?

[undersoul]

Here is a fact: we need to do all we can to prevent this nut job from getting in the white house. how anyone in the adult biz can think otherwise is beyond me.

[Brujah]

Originally Posted by Cherry7

What a joke...one of the most advanced societies in the world is going to elect a leader who thinks (knows !) the world is 6000 years old and was made by a man with a beard in heaven...

Who is going to tell us what we can or cannot do in our bedrooms but keeps her own child in ignorance so that she gets pregnant...

Who believes that a book written 300 years after the events described is the word of God...

That people on this of all websites support such a stupid bigoted nutter ......

Maybe they want to find Jesus too ?

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill

[Cherry7]

Originally Posted by Brujah

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill

The average voter who is misinformed and lied to at every turn....

Winston Churchill the man who ordered troops to open fire against striking Welsh miners...and fought in the war in S Africa that invented the Concentration Camp...

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by tony404

Also Sperbozo they come down on porn hard what are you going to do for a living? I know you are on the outside no one is going to be throwing you in jail but you sell to this industry.

Actually I have as much chance of going to jail as anyone, both as a biller, and as the part owner in several porn sites. I personally believe that we are in just as much danger from either party, so my choice is based on other issues, not porn. If you think that you are safe in the porn biz if the Dems win.... well, then we are just going to have to agree to disagree on that tony.

And why the Sperbozo instead of sperbonzo? Can't we discuss differing political views without insulting each other?

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

I think the dems should just wrap the election with a bow, and hand it to the republicans.

I love it when POOR people act like they are for republicans. Does it make you feel like your part of the rich folk to act like a republican? Still under the illusion that youll some day make it so you might as well vote that way now? You will never be more than a wanna be webmaster with the worlds worst proggie.

[Brujah]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

And why the Sperbozo instead of sperbonzo? Can't we discuss differing political views without insulting each other?

Wow, hey.. I really didn't even notice I was doing that. I thought Sperbozo WAS your nickname. Not as an insult, so please don't take it that way. It's more of a typo from me at least.

[CyberHustler]

Fuck facts...

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by Brujah

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill

Thank god we dont live in a democracy. But my guess is you think we do

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by Brujah

Wow, hey.. I really didn't even notice I was doing that. I thought Sperbozo WAS your nickname. Not as an insult, so please don't take it that way. It's more of a typo from me at least.

ahhhh..... fair enough... Question retracted.

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by Mike33

Way too premature for that.

I know that. I just like poking the bear...

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

The fact check makes her shit sound worse than the false shit found on the internet LOL!

EIther way Palen fucking sucks.

[BlackCrayon]

Good job spreading the propa..er good word comrade.

[Useless Warrior]

The only fact I need about Palin is, does she swallow?

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Brujah

Wow, hey.. I really didn't even notice I was doing that. I thought Sperbozo WAS your nickname.

good point ... a real insult would be like:

spermbozo ....

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

I love it when POOR people act like they are for republicans. Does it make you feel like your part of the rich folk to act like a republican? Still under the illusion that youll some day make it so you might as well vote that way now? You will never be more than a wanna be webmaster with the worlds worst proggie.

Sorry I forgot. You are the secret big player on gfy that has been in the biz for 30 years, plus in the military for 40 years, and you invented the wheel, carbon fiber, and taught Chuck Berry how to Twist again like they did last summer. Of course you can't reveal yourself cause you are a coward. So you hide behind your fake nick and are free to say whatever you like. Most people would call you a pussy, but you seem to see yourself as some hero of free speech. HYSTERICAL!

[Quagmire]

You all just need to accept the fact that no matter who gets in to office, you will be taking it in the poohole one way or another. They're politicians...

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

good point ... a real insult would be like:

spermbozo ....

NICE!!


Actually, with the last name Sperber, the nicknames in school were things like: Spermer, Spermbag, Spidermonkey, etc... Take your pick.

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by Quagmire

You all just need to accept the fact that no matter who gets in to office, you will be taking it in the poohole one way or another. They're politicians...

Exactly....


and this is why I said above:

"Actually I have as much chance of going to jail as anyone, both as a biller, and as the part owner in several porn sites. I personally believe that we are in just as much danger from either party, so my choice is based on other issues, not porn. If you think that you are safe in the porn biz if the Dems win.... well, then we are just going to have to agree to disagree"

[tony286]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Exactly....


and this is why I said above:

"Actually I have as much chance of going to jail as anyone, both as a biller, and as the part owner in several porn sites. I personally believe that we are in just as much danger from either party, so my choice is based on other issues, not porn. If you think that you are safe in the porn biz if the Dems win.... well, then we are just going to have to agree to disagree"

learn your history obviously you haven't. Lets see without going in to the real hitory like adam and eve spending over a million dollars fighting during Reagan. During Clinton, Janet Reno felt going after adult porn was a waste of resources. During bush we have seen changes to 2257 and the first inspections and a series of obscenity arrests and trials. Also ever think why the biggest living icons in our industry are democratics. As far as money they can buy and sell everyone on this board, they know the history.
Also look up McCains good friend Charles Keating,these arent my views these are facts.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Actually I have as much chance of going to jail as anyone, both as a biller, and as the part owner in several porn sites. I personally believe that we are in just as much danger from either party, so my choice is based on other issues, not porn. If you think that you are safe in the porn biz if the Dems win.... well, then we are just going to have to agree to disagree on that tony.

And why the Sperbozo instead of sperbonzo? Can't we discuss differing political views without insulting each other?

Why is spelling your nick with a captial S an insult? If you said Tony I wouldnt see that as a insult. If that's an insult to you ,you must not read alot of this board. lol By the way I owe you a cigar you gave me one at webmaster access atlanta, I will have one for you this show.

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by tony404

Why is spelling your nick with a captial S an insult? If you said Tony I wouldnt see that as a insult. If that's an insult to you ,you must not read alot of this board. lol By the way I owe you a cigar you gave me one at webmaster access atlanta, I will have one for you this show.

His nick is Sperbonzo not Sperbozo...

[uno]

Palin never endorsed or supported Pat Buchanan for president. She once wore a Buchanan button as a "courtesy" when he visited Wasilla, but shortly afterward she was appointed to co-chair of the campaign of Steve Forbes in the state.

Buchanan himself said that she was a big supporter.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

His nick is Sperbonzo not Sperbozo...

oh ok Im sorry, I misspelled it lol

[Drake]

The Palin Effect potentially etching away at Obama's "Wal Mart Mom" constituency:
http://www.time.com/time/politics/ar...839930,00.html

[marketsmart]

after all the stuff i am reading about in the financial markets, it doesnt matter anymore who gets elected...

this country is fucked... by the time all the bailouts are done, the deficit will be 10 trillion..

ask mccain or obama about how they plan on fixing that..

i actually hope mccain wins now, he can walk right into the shitstorm left by bush and take the blame for it too...

[tony286]

Originally Posted by marketsmart

after all the stuff i am reading about in the financial markets, it doesnt matter anymore who gets elected...

this country is fucked... by the time all the bailouts are done, the deficit will be 10 trillion..

ask mccain or obama about how they plan on fixing that..

i actually hope mccain wins now, he can walk right into the shitstorm left by bush and take the blame for it too...

no they will all blame clinton lol

[Drake]

Originally Posted by marketsmart

i actually hope mccain wins now, he can walk right into the shitstorm left by bush and take the blame for it too...

lol 4 years from now Dems on their campaign trail will ask "Do you really want TWELVE more years of the same?" And they'll still lose lol.

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Sorry I forgot. You are the secret big player on gfy that has been in the biz for 30 years, plus in the military for 40 years, and you invented the wheel, carbon fiber, and taught Chuck Berry how to Twist again like they did last summer. Of course you can't reveal yourself cause you are a coward. So you hide behind your fake nick and are free to say whatever you like. Most people would call you a pussy, but you seem to see yourself as some hero of free speech. HYSTERICAL!

Typical Republican, exagerate, shift blame, distort, make up shit..whatever...everyone who is a real webmaster on this board knows your a JOKE. Hows minimum wage?

[Brujah]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Thank god we dont live in a democracy. But my guess is you think we do

Yes yes I know I know.. we're a technically republic not a pure democracy.. while democracy is still accurate

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

Typical Republican, exagerate, shift blame, distort, make up shit..whatever...everyone who is a real webmaster on this board knows your a JOKE. Hows minimum wage?

You are a moron. lol Ya and you ain't the first to say I wouldn't be around long. Yet somehow almost 3 years on gfy I am still here. Ill test my webmaster skills against yours any day. Design, site layout, video editing, photo retouching, lets start seeing the examples of your work. Oh wait.. you are a fake nick that is a gaping smelly pussy. pathetic pussy.

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by tony404

By the way I owe you a cigar you gave me one at webmaster access atlanta, I will have one for you this show.

Spoken like a true gentleman sir! I'm looking forward too cocktails and a couple of good sticks in Atlanta.



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[mikeyddddd]