GoodBye Free Market - I'll miss you. Hello Socialism.

[seeric]

Welcome everyone.

www.yahoo.com

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081014/...ncial_meltdown

President Bush on Tuesday announced a $250 billion plan by the government to directly buy shares in the nation's leading banks, saying the drastic steps were "not intended to take over the free market but to preserve it."


Anyone believe this lying monkey?

I sure as hell don't.

[Barefootsies]

[StuartD]

I believe him as much as I did when he said "Iraq has WMD's"

[seeric]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

[IllTestYourGirls]

first off what we had before was not a free market or capitalism. Second off if it were, you can not save capitalism/freemarket with socialism.

Dems you have won! You have gotten what you wanted. Bush is your best friend and you never realized it.

[seeric]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

first off what we had before was not a free market or capitalism. Second off if it were, you can not save capitalism/freemarket with socialism.

Dems you have won! You have gotten what you wanted. Bush is your best friend and you never realized it.

i have the personal satisfaction of being an independent that always writes in someone like Howard Stern or Oprah.

[tony286]

would you rather it all crashes and burns to the ground,credit cards go bye bye.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by A1R3K

i have the personal satisfaction of being an independent that always writes in someone like Howard Stern or Oprah.

haha! I really wasnt calling you a dem.

Originally Posted by tony404

would you rather it all crashes and burns to the ground,credit cards go bye bye.

You fail to realize it is going to fail anyway. Price fixing never works.

[Snake Doctor]

As much as conservatives hate FDR and his legacy, he actually did save capitalism.

The great depression drove most countries to adopt some form of socialism, at least for awhile.

Keynesian capitalism is the way to go IMO.

[Phoenix]

transfer of wealth

they stole as much as they could before...this is the next step

[CaptainHowdy]

Socialism? LOL ...

[swoop]

Isn't Socialism what Obama's health care is all about????

[Tom_PM]

Yeah the free market has rocked under Bush. No-bid contracts, private companies doing military work outside the strictures of military codes of conduct.

Rock n roll hoochie coo.

[seeric]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

haha! I really wasnt calling you a dem.

i don't trust anyone that wears a tie.

[seeandsee]

fuck em all

[stickyfingerz]

There is a severe misunderstanding of what socialism is in this thread.

[TheDoc]

That isn't Socialism.. A balanced social system is needed and is good.

This is some twisted form of capitalism that could end up with communist connections if the working man looses his control because the bad loans he 'may' take and/or if the Gov just decides to call debt.

That is about as close to communism as you can get without actually being communist in my opinion.

[buzzy]

Originally Posted by A1R3K

Welcome everyone.

www.yahoo.com

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081014/...ncial_meltdown

President Bush on Tuesday announced a $250 billion plan by the government to directly buy shares in the nation's leading banks, saying the drastic steps were "not intended to take over the free market but to preserve it."


Anyone believe this lying monkey?

I sure as hell don't.

You're more intelligent than most of the posters here, but i don't think you quite understand what socialism is, this is definitely not socialism and why would Bush put something through that works? If he was genuinley interested in making the USA better he would socialize healthcare, oil, rail, flights and just about everything so the price for the American people to fill up their car would be like $3 or if they wanted to fly somewhere it would be really cheap, that is socialism.

[BradM]

Definition: "A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy ..."

Definition: "The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved."

The only difference between the two systems listed above is one has a dictator and the other does not.

America is now socialist. You can deny it, or insist it's for the betterment of capitalism but get real and stop living in denial.

America now is one step away from Communism, it just needs an authority government.

[seeric]

Originally Posted by buzzy

You're more intelligent than most of the posters here, but i don't think you quite understand what socialism is, this is definitely not socialism and why would Bush put something through that works? If he was genuinley interested in making the USA better he would socialize healthcare, oil, rail, flights and just about everything so the price for the American people to fill up their car would be like $3 or if they wanted to fly somewhere it would be really cheap, that is socialism.

Thanks.


I think pretty much anyone that posts in these type of threads I start knows why I start them.



I just like riling up all the tin hat people.

You are correct in your statements BTW. I'm just starting shit TBH.

Originally Posted by BradM

Definition: "A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy ..."

Definition: "The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved."

The only difference between the two systems listed above is one has a dictator and the other does not.

America is now socialist. You can deny it, or insist it's for the betterment of capitalism but get real and stop living in denial.

America now is one step away from Communism, it just needs an authority government.

^^^what u said.

[woj]

I can just imagine 5 years from now, going to a bank will be like going to a DMV.... it probably won't happen, but it's a scary thought

[BradM]

Socialism does NOT equal "cheap things".

The DEFINITION of socialism is a government run economy. Whereby the government runs the banks, prints the money, runs the treasury etc.

America is now socialist.

Look up the DEFINITION of socialism. Don't use examples of other countries you think or know were or are socialist. If you even try to deny what is going on, you have sheep wool covering your eyes.

This isn't a conspiracy theory. This is a simple fact of a square peg fitting in a square hole.

I am blonde. I am tall.
America is socialist.

It's not an insult, it's not even open for debate, it's just a fact.

[buzzy]

Originally Posted by BradM

Socialism does NOT equal "cheap things".

The DEFINITION of socialism is a government run economy. Whereby the government runs the banks, prints the money, runs the treasury etc.

America is now socialist.

Look up the DEFINITION of socialism. Don't use examples of other countries you think or know were or are socialist. If you even try to deny what is going on, you have sheep wool covering your eyes.

This isn't a conspiracy theory. This is a simple fact of a square peg fitting in a square hole.

I am blonde. I am tall.
America is socialist.

It's not an insult, it's not even open for debate, it's just a fact.

You say it like it's a bad thing. Now regulate the banks more, nationalize a few more things equalling more jobs and more industry and America will be making progress!!

[MovieMaster]

Don't worry obama will further the cause for socialism....

Can't wait for the govt to fuck up healthcare like they do social security, financial mess, etc..

[BradM]

Originally Posted by buzzy

You say it like it's a bad thing. Now regulate the banks more, nationalize a few more things equalling more jobs and more industry and America will be making progress!!

I am a socialist, and I vote that way. I'm excited about it.

But you said "It's not socialist. Cheap gas means it is!" I'm pointing out how absolutely wrong you were with that statement.

Just don't say things you don't know anything about, it's a waste of the innanet.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by BradM

Definition: "A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy ..."

Definition: "The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved."

The only difference between the two systems listed above is one has a dictator and the other does not.

America is now socialist. You can deny it, or insist it's for the betterment of capitalism but get real and stop living in denial.

America now is one step away from Communism, it just needs an authority government.

You do not know what Socialism means and you live in a Socialist Country.

Yes, America is a Socialist Country, it has been for ..... 80 years or so, and has gotten that way every decade since. It is also very Capitalist. Since it is a mixture of cultures, ect.. I would expect it to be a mixture, and it is.

[Phoenix]

transfer of wealth

they stole as much as they could before...this is the next step

[BradM]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

You do not know what Socialism means and you live in a Socialist Country.

Yes, America is a Socialist Country, it has been for ..... 80 years or so, and has gotten that way every decade since. It is also very Capitalist. Since it is a mixture of cultures, ect.. I would expect it to be a mixture, and it is.

Okay sport. First, Please stop adopting the 12clicks way of talking to people.

Secondly, I just defined socialism based on every single political science explanation, and that of ANY definition source in text books, or online.

Are you telling me, Mr. TheDoc that you have a different definition for it, and that you and you alone believe socialism to mean something else? Please let me know what it is, so I can go out and inform the millions of others who have it wrong that they need to follow your lead.

You seem to be stating -I- am wrong. This is nothing -I- made up or defined, so if I have it wrong so does EVERYONE else but you I suppose.

[kowalsky]

This is not Socialism. This is to take money from state to save the the market. It´s the way that the capital owners use to save their asses.

I don´t know way people insist on calling this Socialism.

Socialism is when to take the market profit to make an equitable distribution. Socialism is not to take the market debts to make all the people to pay for it.

[buzzy]

Originally Posted by BradM

I am a socialist, and I vote that way. I'm excited about it.

But you said "It's not socialist. Cheap gas means it is!" I'm pointing out how absolutely wrong you were with that statement.

Just don't say things you don't know anything about, it's a waste of the innanet.

I didn't say cheap gas means socialism, i was saying nationalizing the oil would mean cheap gas, for example, look at Saudi Arabia, the oil company is state owned so the people their get a full tank of gas for like $3. You don't seem to have a clue mate, America is still the most capitalist country on the planet.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

transfer of wealth

they stole as much as they could before...this is the next step

I do think this is for sure a way to control more wealth and slow down capitalism growth. While it may appear to help, with a national debt like it is, if you loans/bank/money gets directly owned by the Gov - they can collect anytime they want.

I can't see this being anything but a fast jump into communist control. We already have a fake banking system to keep the direct Gov out of our money. That wall was just kicked down....

[woj]

Originally Posted by BradM

The DEFINITION of socialism is a government run economy. Whereby the government runs the banks, prints the money, runs the treasury etc.

All the governments print their own money, run the treasury, regulate interest rates, etc... US doesn't run socialism, sure it has some socialist programs/policies, but it's not even close to being true socialism...

[L-Pink]

I'm from the government and I'm here to help you.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by BradM

Okay sport. First, Please stop adopting the 12clicks way of talking to people.

Secondly, I just defined socialism based on every single political science explanation, and that of ANY definition source in text books, or online.

Are you telling me, Mr. TheDoc that you have a different definition for it, and that you and you alone believe socialism to mean something else? Please let me know what it is, so I can go out and inform the millions of others who have it wrong that they need to follow your lead.

You seem to be stating -I- am wrong. This is nothing -I- made up or defined, so if I have it wrong so does EVERYONE else but you I suppose.

12 clicks? I can't really say how he talks to people. What I stated was correct, you have made two posts about Socialism now and they didn't actually contain correct information.

Our Gov/Congress already regulates banks, like yours. Your Gov does not control all of your money, it regulates it, it taxes it, and so on.

The "ACTUAL" meaning of Socialism is when the state/gov controls more ownership for production and/or distribution of goods/products, allowing for a more equal life style in society.

Not the control of banks/money and even the free market (which you have too).. Regulate it, tax it, slow it down, yes... own it, no.


Any questions?

[BradM]

Wait, like yours? What are you talking about, I live in the US.

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by A1R3K

i have the personal satisfaction of being an independent that always writes in someone like Howard Stern or Oprah.

So your the ass hat that is keeping Mickey Mouse out of office.

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Yes, America is a Socialist Country, it has been for ..... 80 years or so, and has gotten that way every decade since.

I read that twice, it still doesn't make any sense.
So it has been... or it is getting that way?

[seeric]

hey cut it out.

the wrong people are fighting.

[seeric]

Originally Posted by pornguy

So your the ass hat that is keeping Mickey Mouse out of office.

yup

[BradM]

Originally Posted by StuartD

I read that twice, it still doesn't make any sense.
So it has been... or it is getting that way?

Only my posts can make no sense, his are factual and 100% accurate.

Stuart you really need to stop questioning people like him.

[BradM]

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MY POSTS ARE NOT CORRECT

Are you mentally disabled or can you just not fucking read

Here give me your home address so I can mail this PoliSci 101 textbook I just got the definition of socialism from. It's NOT THAT HARD TO UNDERSTAND - what I said IS TRUE, and it IS FACT. Why the fuck can you even think that it's a point you can argue?

Jesus you can be an ignorant cunt.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by BradM

Wait, like yours? What are you talking about, I live in the US.

ahhh... I always took you as Canadian with the bizarre things you post.. Ok, so you don't live in Canada, cool - it's understandable now.

I actually did live in Canada for 2 years. Paid Canadian tax, got Canadian health insurance, ect ect. I have two complaints: 1) Cold, end of story. 2) The max tax bracket is deadly. Yes,with my insurance, ect it's about the same afterwards but getting nailed 48ish% from the top just kicks you in the balls.

Outside of that, the medical system was as good as America and way the hell better than any VA hospital I have been to.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by StuartD

I read that twice, it still doesn't make any sense.
So it has been... or it is getting that way?

it's pretty damn clear that we have had social programs for a long ass time. Look at it today, we have 100's of Social programs.. What are missing, like 2 or 3 things to being FULLY socialist? Shit, once you add in Obama and he taxes the higher incomes more, add in healthcare, hell - it's pretty much a done deal.

It isn't like we wake up one day, snap our fingers, and bam we are socialist.. we have built to it.

But this article.. that isn't socialism.

[The Dawg]

The U.S. couldnt have gotten out of the Great Depression without some forms of socialism. Hell, the government subsidizes the air lines, farms, the health care system...

So whats a few more things? Right?

[Agent 488]

just wondering why they let lehman brothers fall and bailed out the rest.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by BradM

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MY POSTS ARE NOT CORRECT

Are you mentally disabled or can you just not fucking read

Here give me your home address so I can mail this PoliSci 101 textbook I just got the definition of socialism from. It's NOT THAT HARD TO UNDERSTAND - what I said IS TRUE, and it IS FACT. Why the fuck can you even think that it's a point you can argue?

Jesus you can be an ignorant cunt.

Your such a dumb fuck I will entertain myself for a few..

You posted: Definition: "The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved."

Did you define a theory?


You posted: "The DEFINITION of socialism is a government run economy. Whereby the government runs the banks, prints the money, runs the treasury etc."

What? Ok.....

you posted: "America now is one step away from Communism"

Correct, but your theory links Socialism and Communism, it's wrong - that's why it's a theory. When Communism is the total removal of private ownership, private production, or private profit. That is not anything like Socialism.

[aico]

Does this mean we'll finally get paid by iBill?

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by aico

Does this mean we'll finally get paid by iBill?

No and yes... this is like the banks getting a free loan to loan out more, other than it's not really a free loan.

Now, in a bad world.. if ibill went belly up, the gov would then own that money/debt. It could pay out or take back, whatever it feels is far.

In a normal world, ibill would go out of business, and since they aren't a bank you would be screwed.

In todays world, ibill goes out of business, you get screwed, they get a bonus of 100m for screwing you.

[BradM]

You're wrong. I am right. Just because you're too ignorant of a redneck republican to understand it, isn't my problem.

[BradM]