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Old 10-23-2008, 07:41 AM   #1
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Old 10-23-2008, 07:44 AM   #2
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Old 10-23-2008, 08:31 AM   #3
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Old 10-23-2008, 09:33 AM   #4
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bump for the real deals!
Isn't it true that you use your level3 for incomming traces and actually route the majority of peoples bandwidth out through nlayer ?
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Old 10-23-2008, 09:35 AM   #5
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Isn't it true that you use your level3 for incomming traces and actually route the majority of peoples bandwidth out through nlayer ?
That unfortunately is a common practice for bargain basement hosts.
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Old 10-23-2008, 09:40 AM   #6
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That unfortunately is a common practice for bargain basement hosts.

Bingo and these guys keep telling people they use Tier 1 Level3 when in fact they are actuallly routing the majority of their outbound traffic through junkie cheap nlayer.
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Old 10-23-2008, 09:44 AM   #7
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Bingo and these guys keep telling people they use Tier 1 Level3 when in fact they are actuallly routing the majority of their outbound traffic through junkie cheap nlayer.
Nlayer is not crap/cheap they are a lower cost network but nlayer has a-lot of peering, more peering than you probably are thinking. Nlayer was bought by servercentral last year for a tune of 110mil? ServerCentrals network is a very very good network and i'm sure over the year they have tweaked nlayers network as well. Overall nlayer is a great network for peer traffic.

Its good practice to announce inbound routes over lower latency networks. Majority of "slowness" is due to inbound packets being held up and not necessarily the return path.
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Old 10-23-2008, 09:57 AM   #8
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Bingo and these guys keep telling people they use Tier 1 Level3 when in fact they are actuallly routing the majority of their outbound traffic through junkie cheap nlayer.
A) We're not a bargain basement host.
B) We do not use "junkie" providers. We have absolutely no cogent and only use the best routes from each provider.
C) Our network speaks for itself. Do not bash us because people can't understand our pricing - we've been in the business for 10 years, and we have one of the most diverse, high quality, redundant networks in the business.

We've watched Likewhoa come and go, we've seen Alphared come and go. We have a great network at a great price, and that's all there is to it. --->

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Old 10-23-2008, 10:27 AM   #9
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A) We're not a bargain basement host.
B) We do not use "junkie" providers. We have absolutely no cogent and only use the best routes from each provider.
C) Our network speaks for itself. Do not bash us because people can't understand our pricing - we've been in the business for 10 years, and we have one of the most diverse, high quality, redundant networks in the business.

We've watched Likewhoa come and go, we've seen Alphared come and go. We have a great network at a great price, and that's all there is to it. --->

You used to say the EXACT same stuff about alphared when you worked for them and we all know how they turned out, not to mention they had been long fucking webmasters before that.
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Old 10-23-2008, 12:29 PM   #10
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A) We're not a bargain basement host.
B) We do not use "junkie" providers. We have absolutely no cogent and only use the best routes from each provider.
C) Our network speaks for itself. Do not bash us because people can't understand our pricing - we've been in the business for 10 years, and we have one of the most diverse, high quality, redundant networks in the business.

We've watched Likewhoa come and go, we've seen Alphared come and go. We have a great network at a great price, and that's all there is to it. --->

People do understand your pricing. It's simple it's the same as like whoa, cologroup, foundrynap, alphared and a few others tried. "Get customers by being the cheapest, then find out that doesnt work and close up shop"...LOL ..

Anyway I'm not hear to discuss that flawed business model, my point was to let people know that you claim they are getting Tier 1 level3 when in fact they are on nlayer a very low grade cheap put together peered provider, not even close to a tier1 level3 quality.




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You used to say the EXACT same stuff about alphared when you worked for them and we all know how they turned out, not to mention they had been long fucking webmasters before that.
No worries, he's just a salesman for low budget hosts and in the end all of these hosts fail.
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Old 10-23-2008, 12:52 PM   #11
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A) We're not a bargain basement host.
B) We do not use "junkie" providers. We have absolutely no cogent and only use the best routes from each provider.
Why do you have cogent as a peer on one of your 3 as numbers?

http://www.robtex.com/as/as11508.html <-- Cogent?
http://www.robtex.com/as/as20473.html
http://www.robtex.com/as/as46407.html
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Old 10-23-2008, 12:56 PM   #12
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Why do you have cogent as a peer on one of your 3 as numbers?

http://www.robtex.com/as/as11508.html <-- Cogent?
http://www.robtex.com/as/as20473.html
http://www.robtex.com/as/as46407.html

Good find mate...
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Ahh, for the days when traceroute -s (loose source route) and ping -R (show route including return) worked on just about every host...
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Ahh, for the days when traceroute -s (loose source route) and ping -R (show route including return) worked on just about every host...
all someone needs to do is a tcp based traceroute to figure out if someones doing policy routing or not.
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all someone needs to do is a tcp based traceroute to figure out if someones doing policy routing or not.
Or just ask a customer, I'm sure there's a few of them......
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I've used alot of hosts in the past and I have to say choopa is one of the best. In my mind the 2 most important factors into considering using one host compared to another is uptime and support. I've been with choopa for some time now and have had my server monitored 24/7 by site24x7.com and their weekly reports have always showed 100% uptime and minimal ping time. As for their support, they have someone on AIM/ICQ always on. I've had ffmpeg compiled, backup scripts written, and various tweaks done during off hours. So far I've had zero complaints. This in my honest opinion and I couldn't be happier.
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